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(Yahoo)   Justice delivered: two members of the high school football team that is the pride of Steubenville were found guilty of raping a drunken 16-year-old girl   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 772
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2013-03-17 11:40:41 AM  

Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual


Oxymoron, dumbass.
 
2013-03-17 11:40:54 AM  
Almost to the end of the page and nobody is crying about how they were already tried and found guilty in the court of public opinion?  Good.

/society SHOULD look down on rapist scum
 
2013-03-17 11:41:09 AM  
Good.
 
2013-03-17 11:41:29 AM  
Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...
 
2013-03-17 11:41:54 AM  

Madbassist1: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

 Males are always responsible for their actions, dumbass. Only females get the free pass.


Rape is a logical consequence of getting drunk? I could see saying that about a terrible hangover - but I'm not sure about that rape thing.
 
2013-03-17 11:41:56 AM  

accelerus: Wow - so you can rape a minor and only have to do a year in jail?


Only if you are a minor. And they will be doing at least a year, possibly 4 or 5.
 
2013-03-17 11:41:59 AM  

mikaloyd:


They should make him wear his sweater best in prison. He would be the belle of the ball.
 
2013-03-17 11:42:02 AM  

sgtbarthel: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

Trolling a thread pertaining to the brutal rape of a child? Stay classy, POS.


Brutal rape? She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal. This chick didn't deserve for these guys to touch her in any way but what she went through was hardly brutal.
 
2013-03-17 11:42:28 AM  

ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.


Let's be serious, they are suburban whites.  If they dealt drugs it would have been probation at worst.  They only ended up with the Juvi sentence because of the national spotlight put on the case.
 
2013-03-17 11:43:03 AM  

Madbassist1: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

 Males are always responsible for their actions, dumbass. Only females get the free pass.


Tell me of your homeworld.
 
2013-03-17 11:43:03 AM  
"...have been sentenced to at least one year in juvenile jail."

Justice was not served. 1 year in juvie is a slap on the wrist. These monsters need to be in prison, gen pop. You can make sangria in a turlet. Of course it's shanked or be shanked.
 
2013-03-17 11:43:06 AM  
By the way, the posting of Tracy earlier is sadly appropriate.  Last night she said she was raped by a 14 year old Steubenvillian when she was 10.
 
2013-03-17 11:43:27 AM  

monty666: Whole Wheat: Never in my most drunken days of high school or college would I have imagined this to be alright. Maybe the parents of S-ville should focus less on sports and more on morality.

Wow man, you were really upright back then. It's good you've loosened up.


HA!
 
2013-03-17 11:43:49 AM  

oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?


It honestly doesn't matter if the guys were drunk too. She was drunk, that's all you need for the act to no longer be consensual.
 
2013-03-17 11:43:50 AM  

ha-ha-guy: VenomousDuck: No, justice will be delivered if they receive a sentence that isn't "spend a few years in juvenile detention and don't ever do this again."

One of them is 16, the other is 17.  Like it or not, one date rape is not enough to get you into "tried as an adult" territory.


Yes, yes it is. And it wasn't "date rape." It was rape. And they bragged about it, took photos and took pride in what they did. That is absolutely the behavior of a sociopath.
 
2013-03-17 11:43:53 AM  
Hooray! Rape celebration!

Fark is awesome!
 
2013-03-17 11:44:12 AM  

oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...


Given the whole recording thing, the guys were clearly much less impaired, so this case doesn't work that way.  When you're doing a bit of amateur video work on the side, you have a hard time credibly arguing you couldn't provide consent.
 
2013-03-17 11:44:35 AM  

Musikslayer: Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual

Oxymoron, dumbass.


Drunk people never have consensual sex? I guess I'm guilty of raping my girlfriend about 237 times.
 
2013-03-17 11:44:38 AM  
Could you have chosen a more pissweak light-on-facts news story if you tried? The comments section alludes to so much more. Very frustrating.
 
2013-03-17 11:45:07 AM  

oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...


Let's put that argument in context. You get shiatfaced in a bar, walk out the back door into tha alley by mistake, where a large hoodlum, who is also shiatfaced, smashes your head in and relieves you of your watch, wallet, and anal virginity. Would you hold him to be your victim, as well?
 
2013-03-17 11:45:16 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.


Well, shiat...we all know how unreliable eye witnesses are.  Unless there's DNA and videotape evidence, we can't be sure of guilt.  So let's let out all the prisoners with less than that as evidence out.  Your rapey jock buddies can go free along with most of the other guys!
 
2013-03-17 11:45:30 AM  

InfrasonicTom: ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.

Let's be serious, they are suburban whites.  If they dealt drugs it would have been probation at worst.  They only ended up with the Juvi sentence because of the national spotlight put on the case.


You did notice that one of them is not white, right?
 
2013-03-17 11:45:51 AM  

Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.


Anyone know for certain how the law views this?  I was under the impression that it was if you were passed out drunk.  If you were inebriated that was a different matter.
 
2013-03-17 11:46:21 AM  
Good lord this thread got off to a wonderful start.

I've got to say, trolling a teenage rape thread on a sunday morning is a new one on Fark, I've got to believe.
 
2013-03-17 11:46:25 AM  

monty666: mikaloyd:

They should make him wear his sweater best in prison. He would be the belle of the ball.


In most States you would be correct. In Ohio they respect sweater vests no matter hat.
 
2013-03-17 11:46:42 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

Well, shiat...we all know how unreliable eye witnesses are.  Unless there's DNA and videotape evidence, we can't be sure of guilt.  So let's let out all the prisoners with less than that as evidence out.  Your rapey jock buddies can go free along with most of the other guys!


They never proved Charlie Manson killed anybody - let's cut him loose!
 
2013-03-17 11:46:44 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: InitialCommentGuy: Of course.  Anonymous strikes and forces the hand on a case of digital manipulation while intoxicated.

Truly justice vengeance whining until things take their course then taking credit for great social justice has been served by the Internet community.

fark off and die.  Violently.  In a fire.

/asshole


Sorry kid.  Your actions have little to nothing to do with how the case was resolved.  This is textbook for the guilty verdict as digital penetration (the absolute only thing that was covered for at least one of them) was the only thing captured and confirmed.

Remember: It is always rape.  Always.  Even if you decide to drink, loosen up and screw around with guys over the span of several parties.

Hypnotiq is not a mind control drug.  It is a shiatty liquor.
 
2013-03-17 11:48:06 AM  

adamgreeney: ha-ha-guy: VenomousDuck: No, justice will be delivered if they receive a sentence that isn't "spend a few years in juvenile detention and don't ever do this again."

One of them is 16, the other is 17.  Like it or not, one date rape is not enough to get you into "tried as an adult" territory.

Yes, yes it is. And it wasn't "date rape." It was rape. And they bragged about it, took photos and took pride in what they did. That is absolutely the behavior of a sociopath.


Again, the prosecutor did not file at such a level as to push them into "tried as an adult territory".  What the crime was is irrelevant at this stage, the judge can only sentence based on what the prosecutors got convictions on.  The prosecutors went after them as juveniles who committed the act at a party, not as adults who were sociopath scum.  They were sentenced as such.
 
2013-03-17 11:48:36 AM  
oukewldave: Rape is never OK

Unless you play football in college. Then it's expected, the college and the courts will do everything they can to cover it up, to suppress witnesses, and to intimidate the accusers into leaving the state.
 
2013-03-17 11:48:36 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?

It honestly doesn't matter if the guys were drunk too. She was drunk, that's all you need for the act to no longer be consensual.


She wasn't just drunk.  She was unconscious for a lot of it.  Hence them calling her "dead."  Sex with an unconscious person is rape, since they can't consent (not even drunkenly).
 
2013-03-17 11:48:53 AM  

jso2897: Rape is a logical consequence of getting drunk? I could see saying that about a terrible hangover - but I'm not sure about that rape thing.


What are you on about? I'm not following you.
 
2013-03-17 11:48:55 AM  
Wow, they start training to be NFL players earlier every year.
 
2013-03-17 11:49:02 AM  

VenomousDuck: No, justice will be delivered if they receive a sentence that isn't "spend a few years in juvenile detention and don't ever do this again."


So, when they try to apply for college or pursue careers.  The juvenile justice system can't do more than put them away until they're 21.
 
2013-03-17 11:49:30 AM  

InitialCommentGuy: The My Little Pony Killer: InitialCommentGuy: Of course.  Anonymous strikes and forces the hand on a case of digital manipulation while intoxicated.

Truly justice vengeance whining until things take their course then taking credit for great social justice has been served by the Internet community.

fark off and die.  Violently.  In a fire.

/asshole

Sorry kid.  Your actions have little to nothing to do with how the case was resolved.  This is textbook for the guilty verdict as digital penetration (the absolute only thing that was covered for at least one of them) was the only thing captured and confirmed.

Remember: It is always rape.  Always.  Even if you decide to drink, loosen up and screw around with guys over the span of several parties.

Hypnotiq is not a mind control drug.  It is a shiatty liquor.


Why would we draw the line a rape? Why hold anyone criminally responsible for what they do to drunken people? If somebody is too drunk to stop me beating their ass and taking their wallet - don't blame me!
Lame.
 
2013-03-17 11:49:31 AM  
Hopefully they have to register as a sex offender for life after this.
 
2013-03-17 11:49:57 AM  
Trixie212:
You did notice that one of them is not white, right?

Silly Trixie... This is Ohio!  Obviously all perpetrators of rape are evil white males!

Law and Order told me so.
 
2013-03-17 11:50:31 AM  

InfrasonicTom: ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.

Let's be serious, they are suburban whites.



l.yimg.com

Yup. You're a moron.
 
2013-03-17 11:50:36 AM  

sobe: Whole Wheat: Never in my most drunken days of high school or college would I have imagined this to be alright. Maybe the parents of S-ville should focus less on sports and more on morality.

I'm sure they consider themselves an upright Christian god-fearing community.


nobody who truly fears god would do such a thing.
 
2013-03-17 11:50:36 AM  

Musikslayer: Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual

Oxymoron, dumbass.


So are you saying that drunk people aren't responsible for their own drunken decisions? Because I don't see how you could apply that logic to sex but not to other decisions like driving drunk or drunkenly assaulting someone.
 
2013-03-17 11:50:41 AM  

ha-ha-guy: adamgreeney: ha-ha-guy: VenomousDuck: No, justice will be delivered if they receive a sentence that isn't "spend a few years in juvenile detention and don't ever do this again."

One of them is 16, the other is 17.  Like it or not, one date rape is not enough to get you into "tried as an adult" territory.

Yes, yes it is. And it wasn't "date rape." It was rape. And they bragged about it, took photos and took pride in what they did. That is absolutely the behavior of a sociopath.

Again, the prosecutor did not file at such a level as to push them into "tried as an adult territory".  What the crime was is irrelevant at this stage, the judge can only sentence based on what the prosecutors got convictions on.  The prosecutors went after them as juveniles who committed the act at a party, not as adults who were sociopath scum.  They were sentenced as such.


Also the one thing is the minimum as some of the better articles on this case mention.  They could very well be in until their 21 depending on how future hearings go.  You want them in after 21 though?  Talk to the prosecutor about why he didn't charge as an adult.
 
2013-03-17 11:50:46 AM  

Madbassist1: jso2897: Rape is a logical consequence of getting drunk? I could see saying that about a terrible hangover - but I'm not sure about that rape thing.

What are you on about? I'm not following you.


I'm not surprised.
 
2013-03-17 11:51:06 AM  

oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...


Apparently everyone knew it was rape. Kids attending the various parties tweeted about how Rape Me by Nirvana was the song of the night.

At one point - the victim was so disoriented that she was carried in and out of the various parties. Reports were that the boys were showing her off - lifting up her skirt and touching her (some of this photographed) while she was unconscious.
 
2013-03-17 11:51:29 AM  

Kentucky Fried Children: Adolf Oliver Nipples: THIS is the pride of Steubenville:

BTW didnt she start out underage, illegally?

/preemptive chris hansen.jpg


She was 16 in her first porno.  Only in the last one  was she of legal age.

Recently, she claimed that she and her mother were raped by Steubenville thugs.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:03 AM  

mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x529]


Is it possible that those guys really did not know that they were doing something wrong?
 
2013-03-17 11:52:16 AM  

ginandbacon: Oh goody. Another Fark rape apologist thread.


I dunno, up until this point I have been pleasantly surprised. Thanks for being sensible people, most of yez!
 
2013-03-17 11:52:24 AM  

Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.


Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too
 
2013-03-17 11:52:30 AM  
Perhaps the underage retarded girl who got black-out drunk in an unsafe environment learned her lesson as well?

Probably not.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:39 AM  

ha-ha-guy: adamgreeney: ha-ha-guy: VenomousDuck: No, justice will be delivered if they receive a sentence that isn't "spend a few years in juvenile detention and don't ever do this again."

One of them is 16, the other is 17.  Like it or not, one date rape is not enough to get you into "tried as an adult" territory.

Yes, yes it is. And it wasn't "date rape." It was rape. And they bragged about it, took photos and took pride in what they did. That is absolutely the behavior of a sociopath.

Again, the prosecutor did not file at such a level as to push them into "tried as an adult territory".  What the crime was is irrelevant at this stage, the judge can only sentence based on what the prosecutors got convictions on.  The prosecutors went after them as juveniles who committed the act at a party, not as adults who were sociopath scum.  They were sentenced as such.


While that is true, it doesn't make what they did or the outcome any better. If your wife was hit by a drunk by a drunk driver and he only got charged with involuntary manslaughter, does that make her less dead that if it was a murder charge?

The prosecutor, in my opinion, dropped the ball because they were afraid pushing for a harsher sentence would be tossed out due to the culture of the town and the ridiculous bias towards the kids and the football team. They deserve more, but they didn't get it. At least they got put away for a while.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:49 AM  

Quaker: So are you saying that drunk people aren't responsible for their own drunken decisions? Because I don't see how you could apply that logic to sex but not to other decisions like driving drunk or drunkenly assaulting someone.


I'm sure you have a great argument...but it is pointless in a thread where the victim was shown to be completely unconscious.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:58 AM  
jso2897:

Why would we draw the line a rape? Why hold anyone criminally responsible for what they do to drunken people? If somebody is too drunk to stop me beating their ass and taking their wallet - don't blame me!
Lame.



i1.ytimg.com

If you fail to conduct yourself properly around individuals who have the potential to do you harm then you have placed yourself at great risk.  Indeed alcohol and most other popular narcotics are looseners of social inhibitions.

Keep your head straight.

Of course this also occurred without incident or report over multiple parties where she repeated the behavior again, and again and again...  But that is inconvenient to the narrative right?
 
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