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2013-03-17 01:22:45 PM
4 votes:
Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.
2013-03-17 02:00:09 PM
3 votes:

ferretman: Yet getting put on a list is not....

/Not everyone on the list has diddled a child


No, they might just have raped some 85 year old woman.

I challenge everyone here to look up you local sex offenders registry and see what the VAST majority of people are on it for. After your dozenth "First Degree sexual assault of a child under 8" or "Aggravated rape of a person over 65" come back here and tell us about all the poor souls on it for pissing in public. Come on, what are you afraid of? It's right at your fingertips. Or, you can just keep repeating ignorant bullshiat. Either/or.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:24:14 PM
3 votes:
I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.
2013-03-17 01:21:50 PM
3 votes:
I agree that making him buy the house probably won't work.  But why can't terms of his probation, etc include a provision prohibiting him from living within a certain distance of the victims, thereby forcing HIM to move?
2013-03-17 01:15:58 PM
3 votes:
I don't think it's merely "upset about the sex offender next door"... the dude got in trouble in the first place because he *molested their daughter*.

I totally agree, he should have to pay for their house - that or move away himself.  It's cruel and highly unusual to make the little girl live next to this guy.
2013-03-17 01:12:04 PM
3 votes:

cman: SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.


So they're Republicans.
2013-03-17 12:25:46 PM
3 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.


SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.
2013-03-17 12:18:06 PM
3 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?


Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.

Forcing others to buy things is something that I think is stupid. If you were doing a business deal and one party agreed to buy then pull out, then you have contract law to take care of situations like that.

I hate child sex offenders like other people do. THere are times that I wish that punishment would include gelding. But, you have to keep a cool head when dealing with justice.
2013-03-17 02:13:42 PM
2 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.


Actually downloading child porn IS a crime idiot.
2013-03-17 02:01:50 PM
2 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.


Statistically speaking, pedophiles have a high margin of repeat offense.

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.


Actual molestation is quite an order higher than pornographic images.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be or are you just trolling?

/and the way you come off here, I have to wonder just how much personal stake you have in pedophilia
2013-03-17 01:53:54 PM
2 votes:
Others have mentioned it, I'll reiterate. If they're a threat they should be in prison. If they're not a threat then there's no need for the list. If we're going to straight up admit the justice system is flawed and there are unfixable cracks in it thus necessitating such a list, then...well, I don't know, start setting up colonies for undesirables? How dystopian do you guys wanna get with this society?
2013-03-17 01:49:06 PM
2 votes:

vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.


Child molesters can go to hell.  We'll make the travel arrangements
2013-03-17 01:46:41 PM
2 votes:

ha-ha-guy: antidisestablishmentarianism: ha-ha-guy: Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.

Pretty much this.

Looking it up, it was the two of them alone in his basement to see a stuffed bear.  She claims he told her to take her clothing off.  No witnesses or anything.  He eventually got a plea deal and 23 months.  Pretty tough case with no actual contact to leave behind evidence and no witnesses.  Family is likely pissed that 23 months was the best the DA could do and now going all out in civil court.

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-12-16/news/mc-upper-milford-child-sex -a ssault-20111216_1_indecent-assault-upper-milford-township-man-jail-ter m 


Also:  http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/PA18795/Oliver-Larry-Beck.ht m l


Yeah, it wasn't an open and shut case, it was a plea.  It's possible it's from a man who felt he had no real defense, as proof of a negative is impossible.

BB gun shooting and 4 wheeler rides?  That's something our family does with the grandkids and nieces and nephews and such.

If there were any real proof, you'd think there wouldn't have been a plea bargain, that they'd nail him to the wall.

As such, I don't think further legal action against him is right in any sort of way.  Someone hard convicted, maybe that's different.  Even then, make him move, buy him out, etc.  He did serve his sentence and was released, he paid his debt as the courts saw fit.  No reason to put him thousands in debt after that.

Not sticking up for him.  If he's actually guilty he deserves worse punishment than he received.  I am simply standing up for our legal system, in this case, being enough.  Under the concept of innocent until proven guilty, you can't go to extremes in punishing people with no proof, even with a plea agreement.
2013-03-17 01:29:57 PM
2 votes:

namegoeshere: Nem Wan: Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.

Moral question:  Would you be okay selling your house to a family with children knowing there was a convicted child sex offender next door without telling them about it?


This. In no way could I endanger a child in that way. I would never be able to sleep again.
2013-03-17 01:29:11 PM
2 votes:

namegoeshere: Nem Wan: Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.

Moral question:  Would you be okay selling your house to a family with children knowing there was a convicted child sex offender next door without telling them about it?


The bigger question is, if the guy is such a threat we need to list him and inform potential buyers of his threat, why the fark isn't he still in jail?  If he isn't a threat, why are we still sticking a scarlet letter on him?
2013-03-17 01:25:43 PM
2 votes:
Why not just get a protective order on him where he can't live next to the victim?

/force him out
2013-03-17 01:22:08 PM
2 votes:
With him living next door, it's impossible to sell their house. I get that. I'm not sure if forcing him to buy it is the right answer- moving him might be easier- but I can understand it.

Also, misleading headline is misleading. I read: someone living next to a sex offender was so upset about it that they had sex with him. Which would warrant a Strange tag.
2013-03-17 01:19:00 PM
2 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.


They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.
2013-03-17 10:41:27 AM
2 votes:
it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?
2013-03-18 01:36:20 AM
1 votes:

ferretman: FarkinHostile: see what the VAST majority of people are on it for.

VAST majority is not ALL. If there is one case then the law should be unconstitutional or would you be happy that a person who really doesn't deserve to be on 'the list', be on it?


Hey! YOU! Stop all that making sense! Where do you think you are, in college? We're on the INTERNET! Now, go back out there and be sarcastic and purposely cruel to other people.
2013-03-17 06:22:10 PM
1 votes:

Mija: You would have a hard time selling your home if it's next door to a child molester. The victim has been victimized twice. Once physically and once financially. The molester should have to to purchase the home or move since he has ruined the neighbors ability to get the same price for their home as they would have gotten before a registered sex offender lived next door. The guy didn't just move in. This is no different than a wrongful death suit against someone who killed your child. Either way a life is changed forever. Why should the victim now be poorer for it?

For those who suggest that being molested doesn't change you forever, fark you. That comes back at you over and over. If affects your sexual relationship with your spouse. It affects your ability to trust. If can mess you up in ways you can't imagine unless you've experienced it.


Here is the thing.  The victim is not poorer now then before.  The value on the home is irrelevant because you cannot buy things with houses.  Until a sale goes through the victim has the same amount of money in their bank account as before.  If somebody does not want to buy your house that is not your neighbors problem.  It means you are asking for more than anyone is willing to pay for it.  Houses are not money, they are places to live.  If you bought a house as a financial investment then fark you, you are the reason for the housing bubble in the first place.
2013-03-17 04:39:56 PM
1 votes:
Lets do this........ Classify the offenders..

Piss in Public? Who cares Level 1 - free to live everywhere.
Watch kittie porn? Level 2 - computer and such watched, no living restriction.
20 yr old Kid who bangs 16 yr old? level 2 other words - who cares

molester? Level 5 - Fark em - kids are going to grow up messed in the head
Rapist? Level 5 - fark em too, people who get raped change - their entire outlook on life change

Big difference between a "I gotta take a leak" and "hide yo kids hide yo wives".
2013-03-17 04:33:10 PM
1 votes:
At least he didn't get all shooty over it.  I'd keep a loaded 45 handy and if he even came on my property.....

I probably would already have done it if he molested my kid.
2013-03-17 03:26:38 PM
1 votes:
MBrady:

Actually downloading child porn IS a crime idiot.

Be careful not to cast your net too wide. I remember the bad old days before pop-up blocking was built into mainstream browsers and it was not uncommon to run without a plug in. Even Fark would occasionally get bait-and-switched by a shady advertiser and suddenly you would be looking at a NSFW image.

Point is, there are lots of ways to passively get an illegal image transferred to your IP address and into your mail or browser cache with no intent on your part. The case could be made by a prosecutor, and has, that this constitutes downloading and is a federal crime.

Before broadband and 4chan, usenet was how people passed around media. Files were posted as MIME-text, often split into multiple messages. You had to download, reassemble and decode files before knowing if the content matched the description. Due to relatively slow speeds and the cumbersome process, it was common to run a batch program to fill your bandwidth by continuously download a given forum in the background. The proto-chaners would troll the boards with the most offensive and illegal images they could get their hands on, the more innocent the topic the better. After a few days you might have a few hundred photography-enthusiast images and unknowingly be a child pornographer to boot.
2013-03-17 02:44:19 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.


RTFA:

Investigators said that in February 2011, Beck lured the victim, then 7 years old, into his house by saying he wanted to show her a bear's head mounted in his basement.
2013-03-17 02:42:22 PM
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.


Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.

I've had conversations with Mr. Kiwi about this. He goes, if I see a child crying in a mall or in a park with no parents nearby, I'm gonna keep walking. You know why? No good deed goes unpunished, and every mother thinks every man wants to fark their kid. Some woman will come along to help the kid, but I'm not going to jail because I tried to help and instead got labeled a sex offender.
2013-03-17 02:40:01 PM
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.


My grandfather was the sort to do things like that, and he wasn't a freak of any sort.  It wasn't uncommon for him to take 3-4 of the neighborhood kids with him when he went fishing on the creek.  The only problem we had was when he got drunk, he liked to push the little buggers into the water to watch them squawk at the cold water and laugh his ass off.  Only one kid ever got upset by that.

We've just gotten so damned terrified of 'what if' that we simply assume that every stranger is a pedofile/rapist/mugger and we live our lives in our bunker/fortress/homes in complete and utter terror of an unexpected knock at the door.
2013-03-17 02:22:45 PM
1 votes:

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.


Sooo.. like gun owners and drug users?
2013-03-17 02:14:48 PM
1 votes:

Agent Smiths Laugh: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

Statistically speaking, pedophiles have a high margin of repeat offense.

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.

Actual molestation is quite an order higher than pornographic images.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be or are you just trolling?

/and the way you come off here, I have to wonder just how much personal stake you have in pedophilia


There's a reason I keep him on ignore. He comes across as a retarded ignoramus with Tourette's that just says whatever shiat he decides would stir crap up. And he tries to be meow said the dog, but fails miserably.
2013-03-17 02:06:19 PM
1 votes:

Jimmysolson: MBrady: vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.

How about prison general population?

How about we just wall off New York City and drop them in there?


No, New York City has a purpose.

I suggest Detroit instead.
2013-03-17 01:57:47 PM
1 votes:
"Any time a property owner engaged in an activity that ostensibly reduced surrounding property values, liability would attach,"Can the opposite be then argued as well?I improved my property, raising adjacent property values, therefore you must compensate me for increase
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:57:45 PM
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.

If only there was some place where they could be interred, for their own protection of course, to live and work and contribute to society.

I nominate Oklahoma.


Sounds good to me.
2013-03-17 01:46:58 PM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Anthony Sabino, an associate law professor at St. John's University, said forcing a person to buy someone else's home could be deemed unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment, which forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

How cute! He thinks those amendments actually mean anything anymore. The courts will do whatever the f*** they want to do, and you'll bend over and take it.


Yet getting put on a list is not....

/Not everyone on the list has diddled a child
2013-03-17 01:36:04 PM
1 votes:

vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.


How about prison general population?
2013-03-17 01:26:28 PM
1 votes:

Nem Wan: Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.


Moral question:  Would you be okay selling your house to a family with children knowing there was a convicted child sex offender next door without telling them about it?
2013-03-17 01:26:20 PM
1 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: ha-ha-guy: Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.

Pretty much this.


Looking it up, it was the two of them alone in his basement to see a stuffed bear.  She claims he told her to take her clothing off.  No witnesses or anything.  He eventually got a plea deal and 23 months.  Pretty tough case with no actual contact to leave behind evidence and no witnesses.  Family is likely pissed that 23 months was the best the DA could do and now going all out in civil court.

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-12-16/news/mc-upper-milford-child-sex -a ssault-20111216_1_indecent-assault-upper-milford-township-man-jail-ter m 


Also:  http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/PA18795/Oliver-Larry-Beck.ht m l
2013-03-17 01:22:45 PM
1 votes:
I guess you guys can't read good or something; the sex offender molested the homeowner's daughter. Now they can't sell the house.

/ I say hang 'em
2013-03-17 01:22:35 PM
1 votes:

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?

Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.

Forcing others to buy things is something that I think is stupid. If you were doing a business deal and one party agreed to buy then pull out, then you have contract law to take care of situations like that.

I hate child sex offenders like other people do. THere are times that I wish that punishment would include gelding. But, you have to keep a cool head when dealing with justice.


Not just any child; the child of the people who are bringing this case so that she doesn't have to live next door to her abuser.
2013-03-17 01:22:22 PM
1 votes:
2013-03-17 01:20:57 PM
1 votes:

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?

Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.

Forcing others to buy things is something that I think is stupid. If you were doing a business deal and one party agreed to buy then pull out, then you have contract law to take care of situations like that.

I hate child sex offenders like other people do. THere are times that I wish that punishment would include gelding. But, you have to keep a cool head when dealing with justice.


Guy was 62 and accused of molesting and 11 year old, but only got 23 months in the prison.  Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.
2013-03-17 01:20:01 PM
1 votes:
How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?
2013-03-17 01:16:07 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: I would have thought that this would have been easily averted by simply putting him into a half-way house across town? Or arranging something with the convict's family to have them move elsewhere before he moved out?


He may have had to be in a halfway house on release but not for his entire life; eventually any freed felon (with the exceptions/restrictions that sex offenders have) are allowed to move anywhere, including their own house.
2013-03-17 01:12:28 PM
1 votes:
I'm not sure I understand here.  The guy molested a kid, got busted, did his time and now that he's out, he's moving back into the same neighborhood again?

I would have thought that this would have been easily averted by simply putting him into a half-way house across town?  Or arranging something with the convict's family to have them move elsewhere before he moved out?

Is there something else to this story that we're not hearing?  Why are both parties seemingly being obstinate and stupidly stubborn?
 
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