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2013-03-17 02:00:09 PM  

ferretman: Yet getting put on a list is not....

/Not everyone on the list has diddled a child


No, they might just have raped some 85 year old woman.

I challenge everyone here to look up you local sex offenders registry and see what the VAST majority of people are on it for. After your dozenth "First Degree sexual assault of a child under 8" or "Aggravated rape of a person over 65" come back here and tell us about all the poor souls on it for pissing in public. Come on, what are you afraid of? It's right at your fingertips. Or, you can just keep repeating ignorant bullshiat. Either/or.
 
2013-03-17 02:01:24 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: If we're going to straight up admit the justice system is flawed and there are unfixable cracks in it thus necessitating such a list,


Obviously. Is it even a question anymore?
 
2013-03-17 02:01:50 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.


Statistically speaking, pedophiles have a high margin of repeat offense.

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.


Actual molestation is quite an order higher than pornographic images.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be or are you just trolling?

/and the way you come off here, I have to wonder just how much personal stake you have in pedophilia
 
2013-03-17 02:03:00 PM  
Easton defense attorney Gary Asteak said the request would be a tough sell to a jury.

He has quite the ego in a courtroom.  He wears nice cowboy hats.  Seriously.  If there are any Farkers from the Lehigh Valley that have anything to do with the legal system, they will know his name as well.  They should have retained his services in his prime, not 25 yrs later.
 
2013-03-17 02:04:32 PM  

MBrady: vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.

How about prison general population?


How about we just wall off New York City and drop them in there?
 
2013-03-17 02:04:32 PM  

Infernalist: He was convicted, so he can own that conviction.  Still, it's interesting that they gave a plea deal.  Normally, DAs aggressively pursue child abuse cases to the bitter end.

I suppose it came down to 'he said/ she said' and I've seen more than a few stories of kids/women lying about abuse to deal with someone that they don't like.


I don't view "conviction" the same as I do a "plea bargain".  One is based on proof, and the other may come about for a wide variety of reasons, to include as I stated, a feeling of "no contest".

Add that to the pressure that's placed upon a suspect that he WILL be found guilty(even if he is actually innocent), a plea bargain sounds tempting.  I myself have plead "no contest" (public intox though), took my lumps and moved on.

On top of that, knowledge that false accusation does happen, leads to warranted leniency, imo.

Wise_Guy: I think an automatic protection order for the victim after a conviction makes sense and would have prevented him from moving back next door in the first place.


As I said, making him move isn't necessarily so wrong.  Making him buy their house is some sort of irrational.
 
2013-03-17 02:06:19 PM  

Jimmysolson: MBrady: vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.

How about prison general population?

How about we just wall off New York City and drop them in there?


No, New York City has a purpose.

I suggest Detroit instead.
 
2013-03-17 02:08:15 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Infernalist: He was convicted, so he can own that conviction.  Still, it's interesting that they gave a plea deal.  Normally, DAs aggressively pursue child abuse cases to the bitter end.

I suppose it came down to 'he said/ she said' and I've seen more than a few stories of kids/women lying about abuse to deal with someone that they don't like.

I don't view "conviction" the same as I do a "plea bargain".  One is based on proof, and the other may come about for a wide variety of reasons, to include as I stated, a feeling of "no contest".

Add that to the pressure that's placed upon a suspect that he WILL be found guilty(even if he is actually innocent), a plea bargain sounds tempting.  I myself have plead "no contest" (public intox though), took my lumps and moved on.

On top of that, knowledge that false accusation does happen, leads to warranted leniency, imo.

Wise_Guy: I think an automatic protection order for the victim after a conviction makes sense and would have prevented him from moving back next door in the first place.

As I said, making him move isn't necessarily so wrong.  Making him buy their house is some sort of irrational.


I'm baffled at the logic and wisdom of moving back into the neighborhood after his release.  Why in the name of God would he want to put himself back into the neighborhood after all that?  Wouldn't he WANT to live somewhere else?  Anywhere else?

The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation.  If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move.  This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.
 
2013-03-17 02:08:54 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Wise_Guy: I think an automatic protection order for the victim after a conviction makes sense and would have prevented him from moving back next door in the first place.

As I said, making him move isn't necessarily so wrong.  Making him buy their house is some sort of irrational.


I was agreeing.  I just added the mechanism for the move.
 
2013-03-17 02:09:20 PM  

Josbone26: How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?


My thoughts exactly. And it was a pretty bold move by said "Molester".
 
2013-03-17 02:10:10 PM  

Moron Police: I agree that making him buy the house probably won't work.  But why can't terms of his probation, etc include a provision prohibiting him from living within a certain distance of the victims, thereby forcing HIM to move?


Make him buy the house, except call it a tax. Obamacare has proven you can make someone buy a product or service as long as it is called a tax.
 
2013-03-17 02:11:03 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: Josbone26: How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?

My thoughts exactly. And it was a pretty bold move by said "Molester".


Well, according to the articles, she was 11, no touching was involved, and both sides dispute what actually happened.

No physical evidence was found and the DA offered a plea bargain.
 
2013-03-17 02:11:54 PM  

Infernalist: The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation. If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move. This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.


Why take a plea if you are honestly not guilty and refuse to be run out by the situation. Why would you roll over before when your actual guilt/innocence was on the line, but dig in after conviction? If your gonna fight, THAT is when you fight.
 
2013-03-17 02:14:27 PM  

FarkinHostile: Eddie Ate Dynamite: If we're going to straight up admit the justice system is flawed and there are unfixable cracks in it thus necessitating such a list,

Obviously. Is it even a question anymore?


Well I meant in a sort of official capacity. It's one thing for us to sit on Fark and go "Dude, shiat's totally farked!", but it's another when the people running the system go "Yeah...shiat's pretty farked".

Knowhaimean, scro?
 
2013-03-17 02:14:48 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

Statistically speaking, pedophiles have a high margin of repeat offense.

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.

Actual molestation is quite an order higher than pornographic images.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be or are you just trolling?

/and the way you come off here, I have to wonder just how much personal stake you have in pedophilia


There's a reason I keep him on ignore. He comes across as a retarded ignoramus with Tourette's that just says whatever shiat he decides would stir crap up. And he tries to be meow said the dog, but fails miserably.
 
2013-03-17 02:15:59 PM  

iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something; the sex offender molested the homeowner's daughter. Now they can't sell the house.

/ I say hang 'em


Why would you want to hang the family? I think the sex offender should be hung, but the family's been through enough.
 
2013-03-17 02:17:16 PM  

FarkinHostile: Infernalist: The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation. If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move. This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.

Why take a plea if you are honestly not guilty and refuse to be run out by the situation. Why would you roll over before when your actual guilt/innocence was on the line, but dig in after conviction? If your gonna fight, THAT is when you fight.


I agree 100%.  But then I've never stared down the barrel of something so horrifying.  I tell myself that I'd have fought, but I don't know for certain how I would react to someone telling me that I could do less than 2 years if I just signed a paper saying I did it.

I'm just saying...Right now, his refusal to leave is not the action of a guilty man.
 
2013-03-17 02:19:46 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Agent Smiths Laugh: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

Statistically speaking, pedophiles have a high margin of repeat offense.

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.

Actual molestation is quite an order higher than pornographic images.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be or are you just trolling?

/and the way you come off here, I have to wonder just how much personal stake you have in pedophilia

There's a reason I keep him on ignore. He comes across as a retarded ignoramus with Tourette's that just says whatever shiat he decides would stir crap up. And he tries to be meow said the dog, but fails miserably.


Yeah, I just cleared my ignore list figuring I could amuse myself with the idiots I had on it, but he's definitely looking like a good candidate for readmission.
 
2013-03-17 02:20:24 PM  

Infernalist: JohnnyRebel88: Josbone26: How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?

My thoughts exactly. And it was a pretty bold move by said "Molester".

Well, according to the articles, she was 11, no touching was involved, and both sides dispute what actually happened.

No physical evidence was found and the DA offered a plea bargain.


She was 7 at the time.

FTA: Investigators said that in February 2011, Beck lured the victim, then 7 years old, into his house...
 
2013-03-17 02:22:39 PM  

Infernalist: FarkinHostile: Infernalist: The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation. If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move. This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.

Why take a plea if you are honestly not guilty and refuse to be run out by the situation. Why would you roll over before when your actual guilt/innocence was on the line, but dig in after conviction? If your gonna fight, THAT is when you fight.

I agree 100%.  But then I've never stared down the barrel of something so horrifying.  I tell myself that I'd have fought, but I don't know for certain how I would react to someone telling me that I could do less than 2 years if I just signed a paper saying I did it.

I'm just saying...Right now, his refusal to leave is not the action of a guilty man.


Actually, I see it as the other way around. An innocent man would leave and rebuild his life somewhere that he wouldn't be persecuted further. A guilty man already knows he's guilty, and doesn't care. He's out and might even be planning something for this child. Knew of a guy in an old neighborhood of mine who fondled a boy in the park, got convicted, got released, and kidnapped that same boy two years later to finish what he started.

Not saying this is the guy's motivation, but anyone who wants to do bad things to little kids already isn't right in the head. We can't say for sure what his line of thinking is.
 
2013-03-17 02:22:45 PM  

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.


Sooo.. like gun owners and drug users?
 
2013-03-17 02:22:55 PM  

FarkinHostile: Infernalist: The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation. If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move. This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.

Why take a plea if you are honestly not guilty and refuse to be run out by the situation. Why would you roll over before when your actual guilt/innocence was on the line, but dig in after conviction? If your gonna fight, THAT is when you fight.


Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.  Your lawyer is telling you to deal because even though it is he said, she said, the "think of the children" crowd will hang your ass out to dry in court.  Maybe you couldn't post bail or were remanded, so you're depressed and worn down from being in jail and the though of finishing out your life there is terrifying.  So the lawyer shoves a "I do not wish to contend" plea bargain down your throat.  You take it solely to avoid the risk of longer jail time because you absolutely can't do the time.  You spend the next 23 months in jail, hating yourself for caving in and pissed off how you were railroaded.

I'm not saying that is what happened, but you can construct a plausible narrative.
 
2013-03-17 02:24:33 PM  

reillan: I don't think it's merely "upset about the sex offender next door"... the dude got in trouble in the first place because he *molested their daughter*.

I totally agree, he should have to pay for their house - that or move away himself.  It's cruel and highly unusual to make the little girl live next to this guy.


this.
 
2013-03-17 02:24:58 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: cman: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.

Sooo.. like gun owners and drug users?


Oh dear god I know you're trolling. Gun owners on average don't hurt ANYONE. Though, I can imagine little clay pigeon families and paper communities are absolutely heartbroken.
 
2013-03-17 02:25:30 PM  

Wise_Guy: Infernalist: JohnnyRebel88: Josbone26: How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?

My thoughts exactly. And it was a pretty bold move by said "Molester".

Well, according to the articles, she was 11, no touching was involved, and both sides dispute what actually happened.

No physical evidence was found and the DA offered a plea bargain.

She was 7 at the time.

FTA: Investigators said that in February 2011, Beck lured the victim, then 7 years old, into his house...


Then someone on one of those articles can't count worth a damn.

kiwimoogle84: Infernalist: FarkinHostile: Infernalist: The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation. If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move. This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.

Why take a plea if you are honestly not guilty and refuse to be run out by the situation. Why would you roll over before when your actual guilt/innocence was on the line, but dig in after conviction? If your gonna fight, THAT is when you fight.

I agree 100%.  But then I've never stared down the barrel of something so horrifying.  I tell myself that I'd have fought, but I don't know for certain how I would react to someone telling me that I could do less than 2 years if I just signed a paper saying I did it.

I'm just saying...Right now, his refusal to leave is not the action of a guilty man.

Actually, I see it as the other way around. An innocent man would leave and rebuild his life somewhere that he wouldn't be persecuted further. A guilty man already knows he's guilty, and doesn't care. He's out and might even be planning something for this child. Knew of a guy in an old neighborhood of mine who fondled a boy in the park, got convicted, got released, and kidnapped that same boy two years later to finish what he started.

Not saying this is the guy's motivation, but anyone who wants to do bad things to little kids already isn't right in the head. We can't say for sure what his line of thinking is.


Maybe so.  I can't say that's how most guilty men act, but each man is different.  There's no way of being certain as to what happened in that basement, and it's all history now.

Looking at the situation now, I have to say that it's a horrible horrible mess and I'm glad to be nowhere near it.
 
2013-03-17 02:27:08 PM  
keep this in mind. most likely the house he is in is his mothers house, not his. they can't force his mother to sell her house. and if she wants him to live there then they can't do much about it.

next, in the off chance that some fool judge orders the guy to purchase the house, then who would finance it and does he even have a job? in this country you can sue someone for a million dollars but they never have to pay you if you win unless you put a lien on their property.
 
2013-03-17 02:27:28 PM  

Infernalist: Wise_Guy: Infernalist: JohnnyRebel88: Josbone26: How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?

My thoughts exactly. And it was a pretty bold move by said "Molester".

Well, according to the articles, she was 11, no touching was involved, and both sides dispute what actually happened.

No physical evidence was found and the DA offered a plea bargain.

She was 7 at the time.

FTA: Investigators said that in February 2011, Beck lured the victim, then 7 years old, into his house...

Then someone on one of those articles can't count worth a damn.

kiwimoogle84: Infernalist: FarkinHostile: Infernalist: The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation. If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move. This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.

Why take a plea if you are honestly not guilty and refuse to be run out by the situation. Why would you roll over before when your actual guilt/innocence was on the line, but dig in after conviction? If your gonna fight, THAT is when you fight.

I agree 100%.  But then I've never stared down the barrel of something so horrifying.  I tell myself that I'd have fought, but I don't know for certain how I would react to someone telling me that I could do less than 2 years if I just signed a paper saying I did it.

I'm just saying...Right now, his refusal to leave is not the action of a guilty man.

Actually, I see it as the other way around. An innocent man would leave and rebuild his life somewhere that he wouldn't be persecuted further. A guilty man already knows he's guilty, and doesn't care. He's out and might even be planning something for this child. Knew of a guy in an old neighborhood of mine who fondled a boy in the park, got convicted, got released, and kidnapped that same boy two years later to finish what he started.

Not saying this is the guy's motivation, but anyone who wants to do bad things to little kids already isn't right in the head. We can't say for sure what his line of thinking is.

Maybe so.  I can't say that's how most guilty men act, but each man is different.  There's no way of being certain as to what happened in that basement, and it's all history now.

Looking at the situation now, I have to say that it's a horrible horrible mess and I'm glad to be nowhere near it.


Yeah, it's all speculative, but I hope this family finds comfort somewhere and everyone can get on with their lives.
 
2013-03-17 02:27:29 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

Statistically speaking, pedophiles have a high margin of repeat offense.

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.

Actual molestation is quite an order higher than pornographic images.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be or are you just trolling?

/and the way you come off here, I have to wonder just how much personal stake you have in pedophilia


i really love it.  just to be honest
 
2013-03-17 02:28:37 PM  

gravebayne2: keep this in mind. most likely the house he is in is his mothers house, not his. they can't force his mother to sell her house. and if she wants him to live there then they can't do much about it.

next, in the off chance that some fool judge orders the guy to purchase the house, then who would finance it and does he even have a job? in this country you can sue someone for a million dollars but they never have to pay you if you win unless you put a lien on their property.


Actually though, if it is his mother's house it makes a restraining order easier to get since you're not banning the guy from using his own property, you're just banning him from staying with one family member.  It is his primary residence of course, but he doesn't own it, so you aren't denying him access to his property.
 
2013-03-17 02:33:20 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.


Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.
 
2013-03-17 02:40:01 PM  

FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.


My grandfather was the sort to do things like that, and he wasn't a freak of any sort.  It wasn't uncommon for him to take 3-4 of the neighborhood kids with him when he went fishing on the creek.  The only problem we had was when he got drunk, he liked to push the little buggers into the water to watch them squawk at the cold water and laugh his ass off.  Only one kid ever got upset by that.

We've just gotten so damned terrified of 'what if' that we simply assume that every stranger is a pedofile/rapist/mugger and we live our lives in our bunker/fortress/homes in complete and utter terror of an unexpected knock at the door.
 
2013-03-17 02:40:02 PM  

Nickninja: I would think it would be easy to get a restraining order from the person who molested your daughter.  Couldn't a judge issue an order that would make him living in his home illegal, therefore forcing him to move? The family didn't do anything wrong, so they should not be forced to move.  And they certainly shouldn't have to live next to him.


I was thinking that would be the really easy answer to this.
 
2013-03-17 02:40:54 PM  

Infernalist: I'm baffled at the logic and wisdom of moving back into the neighborhood after his release.  Why in the name of God would he want to put himself back into the neighborhood after all that?  Wouldn't he WANT to live somewhere else?  Anywhere else?

The only thing that makes any sense to me is if he's honestly not guilty and refuses to be run out by the situation.  If he's got his hackles up and refuses to let them chase him out, then I can see him stubbornly refusing to move.  This is all, naturally, based on the premise that he's an innocent man who took a plea bargain.


Not only that, in our economy it may not be feasible/reasonable to move if he own's his house.  Employment could also be a huge factor, especially with his newly obtained record.

FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.


Because 7 year olds are reliable, as well as helicopter parents and priests(who were the first party the parents went to, not the police).

Belief is almost never reasonable.
 
2013-03-17 02:41:38 PM  

Infernalist: JohnnyRebel88: Josbone26: How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?

My thoughts exactly. And it was a pretty bold move by said "Molester".

Well, according to the articles, she was 11, no touching was involved, and both sides dispute what actually happened.

No physical evidence was found and the DA offered a plea bargain.


Due to the lack of jail time, I thought he was just taking a leak and she saw it.  What matters is his intent and unfortunately we will never know what that is unless he confesses.  I believe children need to be protected and went to school for this, and hate to saying this, but I believe Megan's Law is a little loose.  For example, a 19 yr old that has sex with a 16 yr old.  I am guessing that in some states that is frowned upon and will end up on the list.
 
2013-03-17 02:42:10 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Agent Smiths Laugh: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

Statistically speaking, pedophiles have a high margin of repeat offense.

Jon iz teh kewl: MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.

really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.

Actual molestation is quite an order higher than pornographic images.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be or are you just trolling?

/and the way you come off here, I have to wonder just how much personal stake you have in pedophilia

i really love it.  just to be honest


You just outed yourself as a troll.
 
2013-03-17 02:42:13 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: cman: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.

Sooo.. like gun owners and drug users?


So you equate gun owners to drug users? Thank you, now I can just assume everything you say is incredibly stupid, incipid, and wrong. You have proven in 6 words how ignorant and farked up you truly are, at least you are efficient.
 
2013-03-17 02:42:22 PM  

FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.


Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.

I've had conversations with Mr. Kiwi about this. He goes, if I see a child crying in a mall or in a park with no parents nearby, I'm gonna keep walking. You know why? No good deed goes unpunished, and every mother thinks every man wants to fark their kid. Some woman will come along to help the kid, but I'm not going to jail because I tried to help and instead got labeled a sex offender.
 
2013-03-17 02:43:01 PM  

kiwimoogle84: FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.

Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.

I've had conversations with Mr. Kiwi about this. He goes, if I see a child crying in a mall or in a park with no parents nearby, I'm gonna keep walking. You know why? No good deed goes unpunished, and every mother thinks every man wants to fark their kid. Some woman will come along to help the kid, but I'm not going to jail because I tried to help and instead got labeled a sex offender.


This is no way to run a society.
 
2013-03-17 02:43:42 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Actually though, if it is his mother's house it makes a restraining order easier to get since you're not banning the guy from using his own property, you're just banning him from staying with one family member. It is his primary residence of course, but he doesn't own it, so you aren't denying him access to his property.


that's a pretty good way to keep him out of the neighborhood and i never thought about that. depends on state laws i suppose though.
 
2013-03-17 02:44:19 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.


RTFA:

Investigators said that in February 2011, Beck lured the victim, then 7 years old, into his house by saying he wanted to show her a bear's head mounted in his basement.
 
2013-03-17 02:44:41 PM  

Infernalist: FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.

My grandfather was the sort to do things like that, and he wasn't a freak of any sort.  It wasn't uncommon for him to take 3-4 of the neighborhood kids with him when he went fishing on the creek.  The only problem we had was when he got drunk, he liked to push the little buggers into the water to watch them squawk at the cold water and laugh his ass off.  Only one kid ever got upset by that.

We've just gotten so damned terrified of 'what if' that we simply assume that every stranger is a pedofile/rapist/mugger and we live our lives in our bunker/fortress/homes in complete and utter terror of an unexpected knock at the door.


Ok, 3-4 kids at once out to a public place? Not so creepy. A single child TO YOUR BASEMENT? Surely you can't overlook what that screams to the public.
 
2013-03-17 02:47:54 PM  

ha-ha-guy: kiwimoogle84: Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.

RTFA:

Investigators said that in February 2011, Beck lured the victim, then 7 years old, into his house by saying he wanted to show her a bear's head mounted in his basement.


Pardon me, I saw the word bear and skimmed ahead. I assumed it would be something that might actually appeal to a child. That's even creepier. "Come see my taxidermied dead grizzly!" That's just weird.


And Infernalist- are you agreeing or disagreeing? I agree it's a farked up way to be, but for every one guy who actually gets a bonor for kids, there's two more who really didn't do anything wrong and the moms are quick to call the police.
 
2013-03-17 02:48:45 PM  

Infernalist: kiwimoogle84: FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.

Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.

I've had conversations with Mr. Kiwi about this. He goes, if I see a child crying in a mall or in a park with no parents nearby, I'm gonna keep walking. You know why? No good deed goes unpunished, and every mother thinks every man wants to fark their kid. Some woman will come along to help the kid, but I'm not going to jail because I tried to help and instead got labeled a sex offender.

This is no way to run a society.


It is a sad truth. I will not get within 10 feet of a strangers kid unless his/her life is in danger. Not worth the risk with how paranoid our society is. It has become a society where everyone means you harm. There was a story on here just yesterday about a mother that called the police on a grounds keeper at her kid's school because she didn't recognize him. They guy did nothing wrong and had to go through this crap because of some paranoid soccer mom. No thanks, I want no part of that.
 
2013-03-17 02:50:24 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Infernalist: FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.

My grandfather was the sort to do things like that, and he wasn't a freak of any sort.  It wasn't uncommon for him to take 3-4 of the neighborhood kids with him when he went fishing on the creek.  The only problem we had was when he got drunk, he liked to push the little buggers into the water to watch them squawk at the cold water and laugh his ass off.  Only one kid ever got upset by that.

We've just gotten so damned terrified of 'what if' that we simply assume that every stranger is a pedofile/rapist/mugger and we live our lives in our bunker/fortress/homes in complete and utter terror of an unexpected knock at the door.

Ok, 3-4 kids at once out to a public place? Not so creepy. A single child TO YOUR BASEMENT? Surely you can't overlook what that screams to the public.


Is there something inherently evil about basements?

My god, stop being so scared and simply teach your kids not to be stupid.  Not all old men are perverts and not all situations are dangerous.

Or not.  Honestly, I'm just glad that my kids are grown and I don't have any kids in my neighborhood.  You people are farking insane when it comes to kids, thinking that anyone/everyone is a threat.

Protip: Most molestations are committed by family members on family members.  Not strangers.
 
2013-03-17 02:52:52 PM  

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?

Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.

Forcing others to buy things is something that I think is stupid. If you were doing a business deal and one party agreed to buy then pull out, then you have contract law to take care of situations like that.

I hate child sex offenders like other people do. THere are times that I wish that punishment would include gelding. But, you have to keep a cool head when dealing with justice.


As a homeowner and landlord I don't think this is extreme.  I think it's a natural progression of events that began when the person decided to commit a crime and molest a child.  Just because the court portion of the event is over does not mean that the event is done evolving.
I have worked very hard at repairing and remodeling this building.  I deserve every cent that I can get out of it should I decide to sell.  If you impinge on my ability to consummate a sale there's going to be trouble and it's going to be legal and I will do my best to have the full force of law on my side.
I chose this building very carefully.  I made certain there were no sex offenders in the neighborhood.  When I rent the apartment I make sure there is no ambiguity regarding the school less than 1000 feet away and that to attempt to rent from me as a convicted sex offender is against the law.
This is not a trifling subject for me.  I have worked too damn hard for too damn long to have some mental defective screw this up.
It's nearly all I have left and I'm not going to give up and roll over just for an idiot like that.
So no, not extreme at all.  I do agree that it's a tough place to be in but, my sympathy does not reach that far.
 
2013-03-17 02:53:45 PM  

Infernalist: We've just gotten so damned terrified of 'what if' that we simply assume that every stranger is a pedofile/rapist/mugger and we live our lives in our bunker/fortress/homes in complete and utter terror of an unexpected knock at the door.


Yeah, for many this is true, but considering how common sexual assault of children is, it is most reasonable to require that people, oh, not try to get 7 year old children into our basements, alone and without their parents knowledge. If one of my friends dis such a thing, I'd slap them in the head for being so goddamned stupid, and if they got in trouble I'd have no sympathy. It's akin to hanging out with a serious drug dealer, and when they get raided you get charged for being there. You are stupid if you do it, and deserve no sympathy.

omeganuepsilon: Because 7 year olds are reliable, as well as helicopter parents and priests(who were the first party the parents went to, not the police).

Belief is almost never reasonable.


He took the plea. He's guilty. At this point it's reasonable to believe he did it. If he fought it and lost, I'd have more doubt. He didn't. There is talk of videotape in the article. That goes a bit more past he said/she said and explains taking the plea.
 
2013-03-17 02:54:15 PM  

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?

Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.


It's extreme because the pervert is still alive.  He molested a child and got a couple of years for it.  He should have been put to death for what he did.  Child molesters don't care about their victims.  All they're concerned about is a few minutes of pleasure.  It's common knowledge that child molesters can't be cured.  They don't want to stop what they're doing.  The only way to ensure they can't cause any more trouble is to put them to death.
 
2013-03-17 02:54:42 PM  

Infernalist: kiwimoogle84: FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.

Especially not "to see a teddy bear." He can bring the damn thing upstairs and to the neighbors house if he has no nefarious intentions.

I've had conversations with Mr. Kiwi about this. He goes, if I see a child crying in a mall or in a park with no parents nearby, I'm gonna keep walking. You know why? No good deed goes unpunished, and every mother thinks every man wants to fark their kid. Some woman will come along to help the kid, but I'm not going to jail because I tried to help and instead got labeled a sex offender.

This is no way to run a society.


No, I'm with kiwimoogle84 on this one. If I see a kid or teenager in need of help or stranded by themselves or what-have-you, too bad, so sad, but I ain't helping. I don't even want to be near a potential situation where I might possibly have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.
 
2013-03-17 02:54:49 PM  

Infernalist: kiwimoogle84: Infernalist: FarkinHostile: ha-ha-guy: Well just hypothetically, imagine this, you try to be nice to the weird kid across the street because you're a good neighbor and suddenly you're up on molestation charges.

Dude....a 65 year old man luring a 7 year old girl to a basement all alone in the year 2013 goes well beyond "being nice". At the absolute very least, It's criminally stupid and deserves punishment. No one is that ignorant anymore, and it's quite reasonable to believe he was up to no good, especially considering what the little girl said he did.

My grandfather was the sort to do things like that, and he wasn't a freak of any sort.  It wasn't uncommon for him to take 3-4 of the neighborhood kids with him when he went fishing on the creek.  The only problem we had was when he got drunk, he liked to push the little buggers into the water to watch them squawk at the cold water and laugh his ass off.  Only one kid ever got upset by that.

We've just gotten so damned terrified of 'what if' that we simply assume that every stranger is a pedofile/rapist/mugger and we live our lives in our bunker/fortress/homes in complete and utter terror of an unexpected knock at the door.

Ok, 3-4 kids at once out to a public place? Not so creepy. A single child TO YOUR BASEMENT? Surely you can't overlook what that screams to the public.

Is there something inherently evil about basements?

My god, stop being so scared and simply teach your kids not to be stupid.  Not all old men are perverts and not all situations are dangerous.

Or not.  Honestly, I'm just glad that my kids are grown and I don't have any kids in my neighborhood.  You people are farking insane when it comes to kids, thinking that anyone/everyone is a threat.

Protip: Most molestations are committed by family members on family members.  Not strangers.


*has no children.

Is there something inherently dangerous about CANDY? No, but we still repeat the old adage don't take candy from strangers, don't we?

Regardless, I even as an adult don't like basements, and I just don't think neighbor men should take a kid alone somewhere unless he's trusted.

You are right about the family member point though.
 
2013-03-17 02:56:33 PM  

FarkinHostile: Infernalist: We've just gotten so damned terrified of 'what if' that we simply assume that every stranger is a pedofile/rapist/mugger and we live our lives in our bunker/fortress/homes in complete and utter terror of an unexpected knock at the door.

Yeah, for many this is true, but considering how common sexual assault of children is, it is most reasonable to require that people, oh, not try to get 7 year old children into our basements, alone and without their parents knowledge. If one of my friends dis such a thing, I'd slap them in the head for being so goddamned stupid, and if they got in trouble I'd have no sympathy. It's akin to hanging out with a serious drug dealer, and when they get raided you get charged for being there. You are stupid if you do it, and deserve no sympathy.

omeganuepsilon: Because 7 year olds are reliable, as well as helicopter parents and priests(who were the first party the parents went to, not the police).

Belief is almost never reasonable.

He took the plea. He's guilty. At this point it's reasonable to believe he did it. If he fought it and lost, I'd have more doubt. He didn't. There is talk of videotape in the article. That goes a bit more past he said/she said and explains taking the plea.


Offering to show a child a bear's head in a basement is not a crime and shouldn't be treated as a crime.

Hanging out with a drug dealer is not a crime and should not be treated as a crime.

Neither of them are 'smart' ideas, but they're not criminal, either.  And that 'common' assault on children is mostly being perpetrated by family members, not strangers.

But, that's not quite as scary as the concept of the ooga-booga stranger at the door.
 
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