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2013-03-17 10:41:27 AM  
it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?
 
2013-03-17 12:18:06 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?


Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.

Forcing others to buy things is something that I think is stupid. If you were doing a business deal and one party agreed to buy then pull out, then you have contract law to take care of situations like that.

I hate child sex offenders like other people do. THere are times that I wish that punishment would include gelding. But, you have to keep a cool head when dealing with justice.
 
2013-03-17 12:21:04 PM  

cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do.

 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.
 
2013-03-17 12:25:46 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.


SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.
 
2013-03-17 01:04:24 PM  
Is Pennsylvania so farked up that someone asks for punitive damages as compensation for economic damages?
 
2013-03-17 01:12:04 PM  

cman: SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.


So they're Republicans.
 
2013-03-17 01:12:28 PM  
I'm not sure I understand here.  The guy molested a kid, got busted, did his time and now that he's out, he's moving back into the same neighborhood again?

I would have thought that this would have been easily averted by simply putting him into a half-way house across town?  Or arranging something with the convict's family to have them move elsewhere before he moved out?

Is there something else to this story that we're not hearing?  Why are both parties seemingly being obstinate and stupidly stubborn?
 
2013-03-17 01:15:58 PM  
I don't think it's merely "upset about the sex offender next door"... the dude got in trouble in the first place because he *molested their daughter*.

I totally agree, he should have to pay for their house - that or move away himself.  It's cruel and highly unusual to make the little girl live next to this guy.
 
2013-03-17 01:16:07 PM  

Infernalist: I would have thought that this would have been easily averted by simply putting him into a half-way house across town? Or arranging something with the convict's family to have them move elsewhere before he moved out?


He may have had to be in a halfway house on release but not for his entire life; eventually any freed felon (with the exceptions/restrictions that sex offenders have) are allowed to move anywhere, including their own house.
 
2013-03-17 01:18:58 PM  
"I have never heard of that and the court may say it has no authority to order that," said Douglas Laycock

Then why do we bother to have courts anymore?  Nothing good comes from them anymore.
 
2013-03-17 01:19:00 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.


They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.
 
2013-03-17 01:19:08 PM  

cman: They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.


Yes, think of people like Oprah Winfrey. Imagine what she could have accomplished.
 
2013-03-17 01:20:01 PM  
How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?  And then he's allowed to move right back in to the house next door to the victim?  WTF?
 
2013-03-17 01:20:18 PM  
"X people moving into the neighborhood drives down property values", we've heard that one before.Trolling
Although, seriously, how much money does an ex-con have that this isn't blood from a stone?
 
2013-03-17 01:20:46 PM  
Anthony Sabino, an associate law professor at St. John's University, said forcing a person to buy someone else's home could be deemed unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment, which forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

How cute! He thinks those amendments actually mean anything anymore. The courts will do whatever the f*** they want to do, and you'll bend over and take it.
 
2013-03-17 01:20:57 PM  

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?

Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.

Forcing others to buy things is something that I think is stupid. If you were doing a business deal and one party agreed to buy then pull out, then you have contract law to take care of situations like that.

I hate child sex offenders like other people do. THere are times that I wish that punishment would include gelding. But, you have to keep a cool head when dealing with justice.


Guy was 62 and accused of molesting and 11 year old, but only got 23 months in the prison.  Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.
 
2013-03-17 01:21:44 PM  

Chagrin: cman: They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.

Yes, think of people like Oprah Winfrey. Imagine what she could have accomplished.


Wow, man. Either you are higher than I or my reading comprehension is complete shiat right now. Are you implying that if Oprah never had been raped that she would have never gone on to help others?
 
2013-03-17 01:21:50 PM  
I agree that making him buy the house probably won't work.  But why can't terms of his probation, etc include a provision prohibiting him from living within a certain distance of the victims, thereby forcing HIM to move?
 
2013-03-17 01:22:08 PM  
With him living next door, it's impossible to sell their house. I get that. I'm not sure if forcing him to buy it is the right answer- moving him might be easier- but I can understand it.

Also, misleading headline is misleading. I read: someone living next to a sex offender was so upset about it that they had sex with him. Which would warrant a Strange tag.
 
2013-03-17 01:22:16 PM  
This sounds like a job for Pope Francis!
 
2013-03-17 01:22:22 PM  
 
2013-03-17 01:22:35 PM  

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: it's not HIS fault. it's the governments fault for MAKING a sex offender list in the FIRST PLACe

what did he do? urinate in public?

Molested a child

Still, this is a bit extreme.

Forcing others to buy things is something that I think is stupid. If you were doing a business deal and one party agreed to buy then pull out, then you have contract law to take care of situations like that.

I hate child sex offenders like other people do. THere are times that I wish that punishment would include gelding. But, you have to keep a cool head when dealing with justice.


Not just any child; the child of the people who are bringing this case so that she doesn't have to live next door to her abuser.
 
2013-03-17 01:22:45 PM  
I guess you guys can't read good or something; the sex offender molested the homeowner's daughter. Now they can't sell the house.

/ I say hang 'em
 
2013-03-17 01:22:45 PM  
Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.
 
2013-03-17 01:23:23 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.


Pretty much this.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:24:14 PM  
I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.
 
2013-03-17 01:24:52 PM  
"Guy was 62 and accused of molesting and 11 year old, but only got 23 months in the prison."

"How in the hell did he only get 23 months for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old?"


One of you DNRTFA.
 
2013-03-17 01:25:43 PM  
Why not just get a protective order on him where he can't live next to the victim?

/force him out
 
2013-03-17 01:26:20 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: ha-ha-guy: Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.

Pretty much this.


Looking it up, it was the two of them alone in his basement to see a stuffed bear.  She claims he told her to take her clothing off.  No witnesses or anything.  He eventually got a plea deal and 23 months.  Pretty tough case with no actual contact to leave behind evidence and no witnesses.  Family is likely pissed that 23 months was the best the DA could do and now going all out in civil court.

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-12-16/news/mc-upper-milford-child-sex -a ssault-20111216_1_indecent-assault-upper-milford-township-man-jail-ter m 


Also:  http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/PA18795/Oliver-Larry-Beck.ht m l
 
2013-03-17 01:26:28 PM  

Nem Wan: Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.


Moral question:  Would you be okay selling your house to a family with children knowing there was a convicted child sex offender next door without telling them about it?
 
2013-03-17 01:28:55 PM  

cman: Chagrin: cman: They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.

Yes, think of people like Oprah Winfrey. Imagine what she could have accomplished.

Wow, man. Either you are higher than I or my reading comprehension is complete shiat right now. Are you implying that if Oprah never had been raped that she would have never gone on to help others?


I was rebutting your claim that a sexual offense destroys a life. Not that hard to figure out.
 
2013-03-17 01:29:11 PM  

namegoeshere: Nem Wan: Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.

Moral question:  Would you be okay selling your house to a family with children knowing there was a convicted child sex offender next door without telling them about it?


The bigger question is, if the guy is such a threat we need to list him and inform potential buyers of his threat, why the fark isn't he still in jail?  If he isn't a threat, why are we still sticking a scarlet letter on him?
 
2013-03-17 01:29:57 PM  

namegoeshere: Nem Wan: Meghan's Law is the prerequisite for sex offenders having an effect on property values. Without the law there would not be that effect. Given the lack of proof that Meghan's Law has saved anyone from being molested, it's questionable whether it has any positive effects at all.

Moral question:  Would you be okay selling your house to a family with children knowing there was a convicted child sex offender next door without telling them about it?


This. In no way could I endanger a child in that way. I would never be able to sleep again.
 
2013-03-17 01:32:54 PM  

Chagrin: cman: Chagrin: cman: They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.

Yes, think of people like Oprah Winfrey. Imagine what she could have accomplished.

Wow, man. Either you are higher than I or my reading comprehension is complete shiat right now. Are you implying that if Oprah never had been raped that she would have never gone on to help others?

I was rebutting your claim that a sexual offense destroys a life. Not that hard to figure out.


I see nothing wrong with your idea. I just think its a dick move to use is for your argument. To put rape in any kind of good light kinda pisses a lot of people off.
 
2013-03-17 01:33:55 PM  

cman: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

SImple: they believe that what they feel is more important than others. They dont give a shiat on what the end results are for the victim. They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.


And yet being financially liable is beyond what could be considered appropriate? Or is it just the whole buying the house thing.

Would you agree that suing for the value of the house before the incident and moving costs is fair?

Honestly, how do you sell to another family knowing there is a perv living next door to you?
 
2013-03-17 01:35:07 PM  
"Molested" is not raped raped.
 
2013-03-17 01:36:04 PM  

vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.


How about prison general population?
 
2013-03-17 01:38:50 PM  

MBrady: Jon iz teh kewl: cman: I hate child sex offenders like other people do. 

but it's not like they KEEP molesting

what do you hate about them? exactly.

They don't? If given the the chance, they absolutely would.


really?  just cause i downloaded child pornography once and deleted it doesn't make me a criminal OR pedophile.  those are just words.  designed to scare.
 
2013-03-17 01:41:20 PM  

cman: Chagrin: cman: Chagrin: cman: They destroy a life for a fleeting moment of pleasure.

Yes, think of people like Oprah Winfrey. Imagine what she could have accomplished.

Wow, man. Either you are higher than I or my reading comprehension is complete shiat right now. Are you implying that if Oprah never had been raped that she would have never gone on to help others?

I was rebutting your claim that a sexual offense destroys a life. Not that hard to figure out.

I see nothing wrong with your idea. I just think its a dick move to use is for your argument. To put rape in any kind of good light kinda pisses a lot of people off.


Well, next time you start throwing around claims of "destroying a life" I'd ask that you stick to things like disfigurement, amputation, death, etc.
 
2013-03-17 01:42:44 PM  

vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.


If only there was some place where they could be interred, for their own protection of course, to live and work and contribute to society.

I nominate Oklahoma.
 
2013-03-17 01:43:07 PM  
People who are having a hard time selling their house shold rent a sex offender to move in until the neighborhood coughs up enough money to buy the house. Capitalism at its best.
 
2013-03-17 01:46:41 PM  

ha-ha-guy: antidisestablishmentarianism: ha-ha-guy: Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.

Pretty much this.

Looking it up, it was the two of them alone in his basement to see a stuffed bear.  She claims he told her to take her clothing off.  No witnesses or anything.  He eventually got a plea deal and 23 months.  Pretty tough case with no actual contact to leave behind evidence and no witnesses.  Family is likely pissed that 23 months was the best the DA could do and now going all out in civil court.

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-12-16/news/mc-upper-milford-child-sex -a ssault-20111216_1_indecent-assault-upper-milford-township-man-jail-ter m 


Also:  http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/PA18795/Oliver-Larry-Beck.ht m l


Yeah, it wasn't an open and shut case, it was a plea.  It's possible it's from a man who felt he had no real defense, as proof of a negative is impossible.

BB gun shooting and 4 wheeler rides?  That's something our family does with the grandkids and nieces and nephews and such.

If there were any real proof, you'd think there wouldn't have been a plea bargain, that they'd nail him to the wall.

As such, I don't think further legal action against him is right in any sort of way.  Someone hard convicted, maybe that's different.  Even then, make him move, buy him out, etc.  He did serve his sentence and was released, he paid his debt as the courts saw fit.  No reason to put him thousands in debt after that.

Not sticking up for him.  If he's actually guilty he deserves worse punishment than he received.  I am simply standing up for our legal system, in this case, being enough.  Under the concept of innocent until proven guilty, you can't go to extremes in punishing people with no proof, even with a plea agreement.
 
2013-03-17 01:46:58 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Anthony Sabino, an associate law professor at St. John's University, said forcing a person to buy someone else's home could be deemed unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment, which forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

How cute! He thinks those amendments actually mean anything anymore. The courts will do whatever the f*** they want to do, and you'll bend over and take it.


Yet getting put on a list is not....

/Not everyone on the list has diddled a child
 
2013-03-17 01:49:06 PM  

vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.


Child molesters can go to hell.  We'll make the travel arrangements
 
2013-03-17 01:49:09 PM  
I would think it would be easy to get a restraining order from the person who molested your daughter.  Couldn't a judge issue an order that would make him living in his home illegal, therefore forcing him to move? The family didn't do anything wrong, so they should not be forced to move.  And they certainly shouldn't have to live next to him.
 
2013-03-17 01:49:24 PM  

omeganuepsilon: ha-ha-guy: antidisestablishmentarianism: ha-ha-guy: Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.

Pretty much this.

Looking it up, it was the two of them alone in his basement to see a stuffed bear.  She claims he told her to take her clothing off.  No witnesses or anything.  He eventually got a plea deal and 23 months.  Pretty tough case with no actual contact to leave behind evidence and no witnesses.  Family is likely pissed that 23 months was the best the DA could do and now going all out in civil court.

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-12-16/news/mc-upper-milford-child-sex -a ssault-20111216_1_indecent-assault-upper-milford-township-man-jail-ter m 


Also:  http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/PA18795/Oliver-Larry-Beck.ht m l

Yeah, it wasn't an open and shut case, it was a plea.  It's possible it's from a man who felt he had no real defense, as proof of a negative is impossible.

BB gun shooting and 4 wheeler rides?  That's something our family does with the grandkids and nieces and nephews and such.

If there were any real proof, you'd think there wouldn't have been a plea bargain, that they'd nail him to the wall.

As such, I don't think further legal action against him is right in any sort of way.  Someone hard convicted, maybe that's different.  Even then, make him move, buy him out, etc.  He did serve his sentence and was released, he paid his debt as the courts saw fit.  No reason to put him thousands in debt after that.

Not sticking up for him.  If he's actually guilty he deserves worse punishment than he received.  I am simply standing up for our legal system, in this case, being enough.  Under the concept of innocent until proven guilty, you can't go to extremes in punishing people with no proof, even with a plea agreement.


I think an automatic protection order for the victim after a conviction makes sense and would have prevented him from moving back next door in the first place.
 
2013-03-17 01:52:31 PM  
media.digititles.com
 
2013-03-17 01:53:04 PM  

omeganuepsilon: ha-ha-guy: antidisestablishmentarianism: ha-ha-guy: Either he has an amazing lawyer or the case wasn't exactly airtight.

Pretty much this.

Looking it up, it was the two of them alone in his basement to see a stuffed bear.  She claims he told her to take her clothing off.  No witnesses or anything.  He eventually got a plea deal and 23 months.  Pretty tough case with no actual contact to leave behind evidence and no witnesses.  Family is likely pissed that 23 months was the best the DA could do and now going all out in civil court.

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-12-16/news/mc-upper-milford-child-sex -a ssault-20111216_1_indecent-assault-upper-milford-township-man-jail-ter m 


Also:  http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/PA18795/Oliver-Larry-Beck.ht m l

Yeah, it wasn't an open and shut case, it was a plea.  It's possible it's from a man who felt he had no real defense, as proof of a negative is impossible.

BB gun shooting and 4 wheeler rides?  That's something our family does with the grandkids and nieces and nephews and such.

If there were any real proof, you'd think there wouldn't have been a plea bargain, that they'd nail him to the wall.

As such, I don't think further legal action against him is right in any sort of way.  Someone hard convicted, maybe that's different.  Even then, make him move, buy him out, etc.  He did serve his sentence and was released, he paid his debt as the courts saw fit.  No reason to put him thousands in debt after that.

Not sticking up for him.  If he's actually guilty he deserves worse punishment than he received.  I am simply standing up for our legal system, in this case, being enough.  Under the concept of innocent until proven guilty, you can't go to extremes in punishing people with no proof, even with a plea agreement.


He was convicted, so he can own that conviction.  Still, it's interesting that they gave a plea deal.  Normally, DAs aggressively pursue child abuse cases to the bitter end.

I suppose it came down to 'he said/ she said' and I've seen more than a few stories of kids/women lying about abuse to deal with someone that they don't like.
 
2013-03-17 01:53:54 PM  
Others have mentioned it, I'll reiterate. If they're a threat they should be in prison. If they're not a threat then there's no need for the list. If we're going to straight up admit the justice system is flawed and there are unfixable cracks in it thus necessitating such a list, then...well, I don't know, start setting up colonies for undesirables? How dystopian do you guys wanna get with this society?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:57:45 PM  

Stone Meadow: vpb: I don't like sex offenders, but you can't make it illegal for them to exist.  They have to go somewhere.

If only there was some place where they could be interred, for their own protection of course, to live and work and contribute to society.

I nominate Oklahoma.


Sounds good to me.
 
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