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2013-03-18 03:27:01 PM  
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2013-03-18 03:51:17 PM  

Sirjohnfalstaff: Pity they deleted that. That was great.


So much potential there wasted that second season...ohh well
 
2013-03-18 04:26:39 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Shakin_Haitian: Great, another season I could have just watched the first and last couple of episodes and would have been 100% caught up, just like the farm season.

I really hate how Andrea acts like a five year old. Instantly trusts and believes any one with an air of authority and constantly drops her guard while out in zombie land. Just so... stupid. The sooner she dies, the better. I'm honestly amazed she lasted this long.

This.  And completely lacking in all self-awareness.
"If you stay Milton, you have to stop looking the other way."  Gee, its not like you haven't been doing that since the day you first got there when charming Gov with that Southern Accent you seem to dig so hard took a liking to you.

Plus: her defending her character on Talking Dead was farking stupid.
1)  With reference to the question of Andrea divulging info about lil'ass kickers origins: Really?  You honestly think Andrea didn't blab to Gov about the baby and the Rick/Shane/Lori drama?  Andrea intensely disliked Rick at the time and thought Shane should have been leader.  Then she got left behind.  There is zero love lost there at this point.  Of COURSE she blabbed.  They are no longer her friends.  Think like your character thinks!  (or doesn't in this case...)  You need to embrace the inner naive, self-important narcissist that is Andrea.  I mean she told the Gov the prison people were starving and scraping by.  Thanks for the damage assessment on your friends you harpy.



Plus, how else would the Governor have known that info? A lucky guess? The only person who could've told him that info was Andrea.
 
2013-03-18 04:41:36 PM  
Seeing the Governor in his little special playroom, pulling a urethral sound out of a box, and then tapping the speculum with it in a "Soon!" fashion before he lays it on the table?

Michone is so farked.
 
2013-03-18 04:47:21 PM  

Brick-House: geom_00: HOLY SHIAT!  A .50 Cal?!?

remember they killed those soldiers and took the equipment.


In the comic, Woodbury was under the iron heel of some rogue National Guard troopers before the Governor liberated it. That explains why he has such a deep hate-on for men in uniform, possibly including cops like Rick.
 
2013-03-18 06:12:54 PM  

born_yesterday: Shakin_Haitian: Great, another season I could have just watched the first and last couple of episodes and would have been 100% caught up, just like the farm season.

I really hate how Andrea acts like a five year old. Instantly trusts and believes any one with an air of authority and constantly drops her guard while out in zombie land. Just so... stupid. The sooner she dies, the better. I'm honestly amazed she lasted this long.

I really wanted to like this episode; after all, the episode with Lennie James was awesome.  But yeah, the zombies in the field were a bit...tired.  The scenes were absolutely devoid of tension.  The instant they showed her alone in a field, I said to my GF, "And now, the zombies; they come out of nowhere.  They are like the chameleon."  And when Andrea leaned up against the tree.  "Of course a zombie is coming up behind her.  Get it over with."

Overall there were plot jumps that seriously affected the pacing, and some characters are flip-flopping more than a politician.  Two episodes ago, Milton was loyal enough to the Governor to betray Andrea without question.  Tonight, the opposite was true.  Rick was unwilling to hand over Michonne because he acknowledges that the Governor will kill her, and kill them all anyways without mercy.  PLOT POINT farkING RESOLVED, MOVE THE fark ON.  Nope, we get sixty more minutes of should we/shouldn't we, and it looks like they hand her over anyways.  Then they probably go rescue her.

Inconsistent writing is worse than consistently bad writing.



Milton's not loyal.  Milton's afraid.  He went to the Governor to cover his own ass, not out of loyalty to the Governor.  Milton probably would be happy to just be left alone to do his experiments in peace.  Ain't gonna happen, but there it is.

As for Rick... yeah, Rick needs Shane to slap some sense into him.  Or Rick needs Ghost Shane more than he needs Ghost Lori.  'What would Shane do?'  Then do the opposite.  With conviction and vigor.

/SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE!
//Come BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
 
2013-03-18 06:14:20 PM  

rubi_con_man: Here's how you manage the Zombie Apocalypse:

Doctors, Nurses, and fertile women get to focus on food production and asset management of survival necessities (medicine, livestock, children). All ladies go on BC until a long-term (>5 year) secure position is found. Axes, bats, and pikes are the preferred methods of defense. Arrows go to the Medic/fems on the inside.

Everyone else starts weapons and hand-to-hand combat training - ROMAN ARMY STYLE.  meaning that your crew can construct a defensible base every night. One person - who is used to handling authority - is given basically total marshal authority.

Everyone keeps their genitals to themselves.

The focus becomes finding a defensible area where food can be generated and water gathered for 5-10 years. This will, hopefully, be enough time to outlast the Zombies. If you are really up against 6 billion zombies you're screwed, but frankly, more than a hundred thousand zombies is pretty damn unlikely anywhere more remote than suburbia.

Oh, and the Baby Dies the day after it's born.


That shiat breaks down when it turns into a slave culture/might makes right culture.  And it woud do so fairly quickly :(
 
2013-03-18 06:40:02 PM  

serial_crusher: MagSeven: serial_crusher: hork_monkey: serial_crusher: Whatever happened to those cholos at the old folks home in Atlanta?  Maybe Rick will make some pact with them to help out in the war.

There's a deleted scene that you can watch on Youtube that explains this.  It's takes place right after they leave the CDC.  I won't spoil, because it's worth a watch.

Thank you for alerting me of that.  Good scene.  For those who don't want to google.
This one is a bit longer and has more backstory. Thanks for the heads up though. I had no idea these were on Youtube.

Hmm, I like the part with Glen being chummy about the fact that they took him hostage.  Not so forgiving with the Governor.


Well, let's compare how the two groups treated him...

The Governor/Merle tortured him, molested his girlfriend, and locked him in a room with a zombie.

The Vatos group fed him and introduced him to a bunch of nice senior citizens.

 I know which one I'd prefer...
 
2013-03-18 07:22:50 PM  
Just got done watching last night's episode. First of all, I think the flashback with Michonne was supposed to intimate to us her two pet zombies raped her before they were zombies, but it was poorly written.

The whole goddamn episode was poorly written. I'm willing to overlook and ignore a whole lot in an attempt to enjoy what's supposed to be relatively mindless entertainment, but holy shiat this show is getting bad. Even the obvious shout-out to Die Hard felt forced and out of place. Though it was worth it for the "Why is the governor so mad at windows?" "He did get his eye stabbed out by a glass shard" exchange earlier in the thread. That shiat was funny.

And just a few episodes ago it was ridiculously good, what the fark is going on over there? They'd better do a really good job on the next two episodes and clean everything up so we can move forward for the next season or I'll...I'll...watch it anyways because there are no other zombie shows and I don't give a damn about reality tv or catching the murderer of the week on all those police procedural shows.
 
2013-03-18 07:38:30 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: And just a few episodes ago it was ridiculously good, what the fark is going on over there?


As someone pointed out earlier, there's a reason it's called "AMC's TWD".  We've already seen there are too many cooks stirring the pot over there; I think this may be part of the inconsistency.
 
2013-03-18 08:48:50 PM  

born_yesterday: Eddie Ate Dynamite: And just a few episodes ago it was ridiculously good, what the fark is going on over there?

As someone pointed out earlier, there's a reason it's called "AMC's TWD".  We've already seen there are too many cooks stirring the pot over there; I think this may be part of the inconsistency.


I think a few episodes ago they had the benefit of not having to advance this out of control, cumbersome Woodbury v Prison plot.  Just a nice, self contained tale that had the added benefit of reintroducing a character from season one that a lot of people liked.  The show seems to do 'small' pretty well, but when it comes to pushing along the main story it suffers in no small part because the current main story is just so meh.

The problem with the entire Governor/Woodbury thing is it was hardly believable in a comic book, and is just absurd on TV....more so because of the way they've gone about it all.  The things that made the comic version at least make you go 'holy shiat' and interested in what happened next are the most heinous and simply won't be shown on AMC, and I don't want to get into specifics because spoilers and what not.  At least in the comic the Gov wanted the prison because it was a step up from Woodbury.  That was an understandable motivation for the guy to rally his troops and try to capture the place, and that motivation also really complicated things for the numerically superior Woodbury group since they just couldn't go in guns blazing and trash the place.  Now it all just surrounds some sort of vendetta against Michonne which seems like a fark ton lot of work to go through with no certainty it even works.
 
2013-03-18 09:24:24 PM  

born_yesterday: Two episodes ago, Milton was loyal enough to the Governor to betray Andrea without question.  Tonight, the opposite was true.


I just got caught up on the last four episodes, so I saw the episode you're talking about just last night.  And I'm not seeing the flip-flop you're describing.  Milton has clearly become more and more concerned with the Governor's behavior since the raid on Woodbury by Rick's group.  He's a milquetoast, so he doesn't confront the governor, but Dallas Roberts (the actor who plays Milton) does a really good job of conveying Milton's anxiety with his body language and subtle looks.

Milton is still loyal to the Governor, even as of this latest episode, but his conscience is really farking with him.  I think he's trying to keep the Governor from doing something morally reprehensible -- its clear from their conversations that Milton is really not okay with slaughtering Rick's group.  I don't think he wants the Governor dead or defeated -- he stopped Andrea from shooting after all -- he just wants to stop him from crossing a line (which tells me that Milton doesn't know about the other people the Gov has killed).
 
2013-03-18 10:13:39 PM  

skepticultist: Milton is still loyal to the Governor, even as of this latest episode, but his conscience is really farking with him. I think he's trying to keep the Governor from doing something morally reprehensible -- its clear from their conversations that Milton is really not okay with slaughtering Rick's group. I don't think he wants the Governor dead or defeated -- he stopped Andrea from shooting after all -- he just wants to stop him from crossing a line (which tells me that Milton doesn't know about the other people the Gov has killed).


After thinking about it some more, I'll concede that I was a bit harsh on Milton.  I really did like that exchange between him and the Governor about the ZBBQ.  He has consistently been vocal with the Gov about his concern for Woodbury, but as you said, he seems to want to reign Philip in.  Even though it was only briefly, I found the tension between Milton and Gov much more compelling than how some of the zombie scenes developed.  I hope that his reveal that he knew Philip before the outbreak is used in the future to give nuance to their relationship.

I'll make a prediction that the writers are going to steer away from the overbearing hopelessness and over-the-top sadism of the comics [haven't read them, going off what other FARKers have noted], and try to maximize their acting talent (the recent episode with Lennie James again a great example).  I think it gives the show a chance at a broader audience and greater longevity.  I think the two series will be more and more loosely related.  I hope the writers have the time/talent to pull it off.

I just thought some plot lines meandered and the pacing was off for this one.  Handing over Michonne would really wear at my sympathy for the main characters.  And give her some better dialog for God's sake.
 
2013-03-18 10:29:05 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: OtherLittleGuy: Jim from Saint Paul: serial_crusher: MagSeven: Unless he is driving around with a bunch of spares in the back (which would actually be a pretty smart thing to do),

Yeah, I didn't want to bring that up.  "GAWD! Why didn't she slash THOSE TIRES TOO?!?!?!"

Maybe he keeps a stash of them somewhere and she doesn't know where the stash is....

See, now that would be a great outtake video for the DVD boxset:

*The Gov walks up to his truck, sees the tire slashed. He shakes his head and sighs. Next scene he is out there twirling off lugbolts in silence. He drops one. In full british accent "Bloody Hell!".

Whips out his Sonic Screwdriver and....

/or his truck is a TARDIS....

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


Whoa............. holy shiat, that's the Governor?  Never made the connection.
 
2013-03-18 11:59:52 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: If the debate carries on longer than the first five minute episodes and is beyond "stop being such a naive dumbass rick and help me make some damn traps" then next week will be extremely irritating.


This. It's not just stupid, it's naive considering what Rick knows about the Governor.
 
2013-03-19 12:08:44 AM  
And I do not know if anyone has complained about this but WTF and I mean WTF is with placing the shielding on the catwalk towards the block and leaving it open towards the forest.  I guess Carol and Oscar were too busy flirting to actually do it right.
 
2013-03-19 12:10:05 AM  

serial_crusher: Whatever happened to those cholos at the old folks home in Atlanta?  Maybe Rick will make some pact with them to help out in the war.



There was some deleted scenes footage from when they left the CDC before they went to the farm (I think) where they stopped there.  Everyone was shot and it was empty.  Implication it had been raided (Woodbury??) and stripped of useful items
 
2013-03-19 12:30:53 AM  

JohnCarter: serial_crusher: Whatever happened to those cholos at the old folks home in Atlanta?  Maybe Rick will make some pact with them to help out in the war.


There was some deleted scenes footage from when they left the CDC before they went to the farm (I think) where they stopped there.  Everyone was shot and it was empty.  Implication it had been raided (Woodbury??) and stripped of useful items




I want to see a flashback segue where a nurse is telling a codger if he'll lose his other hand if he doesn't take his insulin and he/she has no idea where to find another prosthetic. Roll to opening credits.
 
2013-03-19 01:11:10 AM  

serial_crusher: BigLuca: lthough I agree that it's a stretch nobody gets infections from regular cuts and scratches. These people have gapping wounds and then plunge their hands into zombie guts, with no ill effects. That's allowed in the rules I guess.

I figure the quick death virus/bacteria is only in their saliva, so you have to get bitten?


Don't forget Big Tiny -- didn't get bitten, but they were all pretty convinced that he was a goner.  Would have been interesting if Tomas hadn't capped him.

The virus seems to have different effects, like the plague bacteria -- skin scratches (but maybe the immune system in these survivors can handle these) vs flea bites causing the "slower" bubonic form of the plague, deeper wounds that mix the virus directly with the victim's blood being more like septicemic plague, which can kill within a day of the symptoms appearing if not treated.

It's worth remembering that *all* of the people we see in the show are the survivors of the initial outbreak -- their immune systems, for whatever reason, are better able to withstand the plague virus than the poor slobs who make up the walker herds and died from that initial infection.
 
2013-03-19 03:14:35 AM  

ObeliskToucher: serial_crusher: BigLuca: lthough I agree that it's a stretch nobody gets infections from regular cuts and scratches. These people have gapping wounds and then plunge their hands into zombie guts, with no ill effects. That's allowed in the rules I guess.

I figure the quick death virus/bacteria is only in their saliva, so you have to get bitten?

Don't forget Big Tiny -- didn't get bitten, but they were all pretty convinced that he was a goner.  Would have been interesting if Tomas hadn't capped him.


Was going to mention Big Tiny. Though I'd think if getting zombie saliva in an open wound is fatal then getting zombie blood in you would be just as bad. Though apparently it doesn't seem to hurt if you get their blood in your eyes or mouth.
 
2013-03-19 07:55:48 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: ExperianScaresCthulhu: The mods'll delete it.

Doesn't do those of us who already clicked on it any good, now does it?


You are a retard for even clicking a link, whether flagged as a spoiler or not,  if you don't want to know about an episode before seeing it if you are in a thread like this.
 
2013-03-19 08:07:19 AM  

WienerButt: I understand she couldn't steal his truck, but why not slash the tires with her knife ?


Total movie myth .  Have you ever tried to do this, I would venture to guess it's just about impossible.  We have some tires around my work and I tried to stab one just to see what would happen, my opinion is you are not slashing or stabbing a tire with a knife to let out the air.

Cutting off the stem though...
 
2013-03-19 02:34:23 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: CigaretteSmokingMan: OtherLittleGuy: Jim from Saint Paul: serial_crusher: MagSeven: Unless he is driving around with a bunch of spares in the back (which would actually be a pretty smart thing to do),

Yeah, I didn't want to bring that up.  "GAWD! Why didn't she slash THOSE TIRES TOO?!?!?!"

Maybe he keeps a stash of them somewhere and she doesn't know where the stash is....

See, now that would be a great outtake video for the DVD boxset:

*The Gov walks up to his truck, sees the tire slashed. He shakes his head and sighs. Next scene he is out there twirling off lugbolts in silence. He drops one. In full british accent "Bloody Hell!".

Whips out his Sonic Screwdriver and....

/or his truck is a TARDIS....

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

Whoa............. holy shiat, that's the Governor?  Never made the connection.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Yep.
 
2013-03-19 03:59:06 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Bontesla: Well, I'm not waiting a week... do they generally stream it live on AMC?

Amazon Prime has it available the next day.  I think it's 2 bucks an episode.


Or you can google walking dead streaming and click the first link that comes up. That's free.
 
2013-03-19 04:01:25 PM  

Sirjohnfalstaff: serial_crusher: hork_monkey: serial_crusher: Whatever happened to those cholos at the old folks home in Atlanta?  Maybe Rick will make some pact with them to help out in the war.

There's a deleted scene that you can watch on Youtube that explains this.  It's takes place right after they leave the CDC.  I won't spoil, because it's worth a watch.

Thank you for alerting me of that.  Good scene.  For those who don't want to google.

Pity they deleted that. That was great.


No shiat!!
 
2013-03-19 09:44:22 PM  

kumanoki: Let's see how much they ignore the infant this episode.


What do you want? An hour of baby coddling?
 
2013-03-19 09:47:56 PM  

firegoat: it's the rape rape room


Sounds legit!
 
2013-03-19 11:11:05 PM  

Anti-BoyBand: Out of curiosity, how many people do you think in Woodbury would actually know how to operate an M2?  Do they even have the head space and timing gauge? They are going to be pissed when they try to shoot and only one or two rounds go off before the have a misfire...


Oh, I'm sure those were with the gear that the troops had, but I'm equally sure no one in that down would recognize them, much less know how to use them.
 
2013-03-20 12:18:28 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: ExperianScaresCthulhu: The mods'll delete it.

Doesn't do those of us who already clicked on it any good, now does it?


They still haven't deleted it two days later.
 
2013-03-20 12:53:18 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: PsyLord: WTF, if you only stole the Gov's truck while he was inside the building.... Jebus.

Do you really think that he would have left the keys in the truck?

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Forgive?

No prob. It isn't like I'm pissed or anything. Just wish I'd known it was a spoiler before I clicked on it.

/as much as I love this show, it is, after all, just a show


All characters in every show automatically know how to hot-wire cars don't you know! In the dark, with no tools, nontheless.
 
2013-03-20 10:08:46 AM  

Medic Zero: Pokey.Clyde: ExperianScaresCthulhu: The mods'll delete it.

Doesn't do those of us who already clicked on it any good, now does it?

They still haven't deleted it two days later.


That's funny. Except that it isn't.  This site is a situation where The Insiders have to request a deletion (or vacation time) for it to be done.

To Pokey.Clyde: again, no true disruption to your viewing pleasure was intended.  Me, I love spoilers and seek them out.  A particularly good spoiler increases my anticipation to watch something or read something... which is why I read the backs of books, not the front of books, before I made purchases pre-Amazon.  A spoiler which explains that the story is lame saves me time and money. Good spoilers are hooks.

But then, I'm weird, and I should not have assumed others would feel the same way as I do, here, regarding that.
 
2013-03-20 12:55:53 PM  

BizarreMan: Nobody is smart enough to just ask at the gate who left last night in a truck? That's your zombie griller. We know it's Milton.


What gets me is how much of the problems with Woodbury could be resolved if people actually COMMUNICATED!


Michonne tells Andrea what she saw and figured out when she wanted them both to leave. But no, be vague.


Carol tells Andrea what really happened to Maggie and Glen.


Herschel tells Andrea what really happened to Maggie and Glen.


Andrea tells Tyrese what the Governor and his minions are planning.


Any one of those conversations changes everything! But no, we've got to keep things subtle and circumspect. Beat around the bush and it just goes on.


I agree with you on all but the last one. I think if she had tried to actually tell them in detail how crazy the governor actually is that they'd think she was the one who was crazy. Perhaps better to infer and let them draw their own conclusions in this particular case. The rest of them though...
 
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