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(Huffington Post)   So begins the march to war as Rick and The Governor marshal their forces. Will Andrea pay for not choosing sides? Will Milton flounder? Will Carl kill again? It's your Official Walking Dead Discussion thread. The brain chomping starts at 9PM ET   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 532
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2013-03-17 10:58:49 PM
Where are all of the scouts Woodbury supposedly has around the prison?
 
2013-03-17 11:00:16 PM

Mentat: Where are all of the scouts Woodbury supposedly has around the prison?


There aren't any.
 
2013-03-17 11:01:34 PM

PsyLord: Seth's argument is not valid since there is limited supplies.  You don't want a large group that you have to keep feeding.  That's probably why Woodbury kills just about everyone an steals their loot.


With enough people, you don't have to focus on everyone's energies on killing zombies, plus you can defend an area long enough to do farming, and that way you can task some with growing food and creating other needed supplies. Smaller groups limit your options, which is why the comic is showing society slowly start to come back together into larger and larger communities because they not only make defending against zombies easier, but it also allows them to stand against warlords like Negan. If the series follows the general plot path of the comics, it really becomes a story of civilization slowly putting itself back together after being knocked on its ass, with despots and kings cropping up along the way.
 
2013-03-17 11:01:39 PM
So next week has the Governor and a mystery cast member on the couch?  Somebody is surviving past next week.
 
2013-03-17 11:05:16 PM

eagles95: I'm afraid to say anything about Todd Mcfarlane in case he has his lawyer on speeddial tonight


I'll say it.  He's the reason why blue waffles exist.
 
2013-03-17 11:18:46 PM

kumanoki: Mentat: Where are all of the scouts Woodbury supposedly has around the prison?

There aren't any.


They saw Rick's group leave and come back with weapons.
 
2013-03-17 11:34:16 PM

Bontesla: Well, I'm not waiting a week... do they generally stream it live on AMC?


Link
 
2013-03-17 11:48:19 PM

elguerodiablo: Why is the Governor so mad at windows?


Have you tried Windows 8? It's a nightmare.
 
2013-03-17 11:54:44 PM

elguerodiablo: Why is the Governor so mad at windows?


I was trying to figure out why all the exterior windows were broken when Andrea showed up.  Maybe Governor had been there before.
 
2013-03-17 11:55:28 PM

joepainter: When Andrea got away from the Governor why didn't she take his truck?


Keys.
 
2013-03-17 11:58:28 PM

douchebag/hater: Didn't they show a clip right in the beginning with the Governor tied up????


he wasn't tied up.  He was holding onto the chains imagining being tied up.  Imagining himself being in the room with (presumably michonne) tied up.
 
2013-03-17 11:59:22 PM
I love the show and I enjoy watching it as it's broadcast so I can participate in all the forums and what-have-you but they are causing it to implode under the weight of all of the commercials.
It's gotta be getting close to a 1:1 ratio for show/ad time.
 
2013-03-18 12:00:22 AM
So we know that she's going to the prison.  But he's able to hunt her down so precisely?

Sure there is one road and I get it.  But in the middle of the field?  How many fields are there between Woodbury and the prison?

Am I the only one who thought that the field he chased her across looked like Hershel's farm?  Just from an angle where you don't see the house or barn?

Then finding her in the factory?  Way too easy.  Hell the smart thing is to go up and make it look like you went into the factory, then just keep heading through the forest.

Hell in all the surroundings of the prison, he sets himself in just the right spot to catch her at the last possible minute?

I'm thinking Milton is as toast as the walkers in the fire pit.
 
2013-03-18 12:03:47 AM

BizarreMan: So we know that she's going to the prison.  But he's able to hunt her down so precisely?

Sure there is one road and I get it.  But in the middle of the field?  How many fields are there between Woodbury and the prison?

Am I the only one who thought that the field he chased her across looked like Hershel's farm?  Just from an angle where you don't see the house or barn?

Then finding her in the factory?  Way too easy.  Hell the smart thing is to go up and make it look like you went into the factory, then just keep heading through the forest.

Hell in all the surroundings of the prison, he sets himself in just the right spot to catch her at the last possible minute?

I'm thinking Milton is as toast as the walkers in the fire pit.


The writing has gotten sloppy the past few episodes.  I try not to think about it too much, but then ninja zombies appear in an empty field.
 
2013-03-18 12:10:22 AM

eagles95: I'm afraid to say anything about Todd Mcfarlane in case he has his lawyer on speeddial tonight


So a guy fighting to keep from getting screwed AND to keep his artistic integrity is a sue-happy jerk?

Who knew?
 
2013-03-18 12:14:22 AM
Here's how you manage the Zombie Apocalypse:

Doctors, Nurses, and fertile women get to focus on food production and asset management of survival necessities (medicine, livestock, children). All ladies go on BC until a long-term (>5 year) secure position is found. Axes, bats, and pikes are the preferred methods of defense. Arrows go to the Medic/fems on the inside.

Everyone else starts weapons and hand-to-hand combat training - ROMAN ARMY STYLE.  meaning that your crew can construct a defensible base every night. One person - who is used to handling authority - is given basically total marshal authority.

Everyone keeps their genitals to themselves.

The focus becomes finding a defensible area where food can be generated and water gathered for 5-10 years. This will, hopefully, be enough time to outlast the Zombies. If you are really up against 6 billion zombies you're screwed, but frankly, more than a hundred thousand zombies is pretty damn unlikely anywhere more remote than suburbia.

Oh, and the Baby Dies the day after it's born.
 
2013-03-18 12:41:39 AM
Just finished watching. Boooooring. I was REALLY hoping either Andrea or the Governor would be dead by the end of this one.


Mentat: kumanoki: Mentat: Where are all of the scouts Woodbury supposedly has around the prison?

There aren't any.

They saw Rick's group leave and come back with weapons.


But the guns were all in duffel bags. How did they know what was in them?
 
2013-03-18 12:48:37 AM
Rick has to decide weather to trade Michonne for Andrea next episode. Michonne volunteers to switch places to save Andrea. Merle should become a problem somehow in the next 2 episodes to keep him as the foil in the group.

Hershel reloads his shot gun in the back ground as Lorie runs out the front door looking for Carl as the herd of zombies attacks the farm. He pulls shells out of his pants pocket and loads the gun. I think there was another short scene in which he reloaded but I haven't gone back to look for it.
 
2013-03-18 12:51:55 AM
can't believe they didn't bring up the internet hate of Andrea... not even with a wink.
Weak.
 
2013-03-18 01:13:19 AM

fusillade762: But the guns were all in duffel bags. How did they know what was in them?


Ask the Governor.  He knew all about it.
 
2013-03-18 01:14:09 AM

LouisXIII: can't believe they didn't bring up the internet hate of Andrea... not even with a wink.
Weak.


I think they obliquely referenced it in Talking Dead.  Lauri Holden seemed to be defending the character's actions over the past few episodes.
 
2013-03-18 01:17:31 AM
One thing that keeps bothering me is the sound effects for people walking. The thud their boots make is so unrealistic and obvious at points that its dubbed over it makes me cringe. It sounds at times like the footsteps made in a resident evil game. Click clack click clack.

Also the guns clicking and making noise at every move or wave of them is funny.

Rant over I guess
 
2013-03-18 01:20:07 AM
He could have at least removed her coat before strapping her in.

/or... more...
//So in that universe, it's Andrea who gets that treatment instead of Michonne.
///Can we assume that this means Michonne will get as cool as comic book Andrea?
 
2013-03-18 01:28:30 AM

Mentat: LouisXIII: can't believe they didn't bring up the internet hate of Andrea... not even with a wink.
Weak.

I think they obliquely referenced it in Talking Dead.  Lauri Holden seemed to be defending the character's actions over the past few episodes.


Even real life Andrea sucks.
 
2013-03-18 01:30:38 AM

Fixxor: One thing that keeps bothering me is the sound effects for people walking. The thud their boots make is so unrealistic and obvious at points that its dubbed over it makes me cringe. It sounds at times like the footsteps made in a resident evil game. Click clack click clack.

Also the guns clicking and making noise at every move or wave of them is funny.

Rant over I guess


I know!  I was watching Andrea's feet as she left the factory to see if she was wearing some stripper heels or something.
 
2013-03-18 01:37:21 AM

PsyLord: WienerButt: I understand she couldn't steal his truck, but why not slash the tires with her knife ?
Or just yank the master fuse from the truck.


She assumed he was as good as dead. Not only is Andrea not the brightest bulb, but I'm sure by now she STILL hasn't learned that you can't assume anyone is dead until you see them dead.
 
2013-03-18 01:42:39 AM

Fixxor: Also the guns clicking and making noise at every move or wave of them is funny.


Also it sounded like the Gov's pistol clicked a couple times after it ran empty. Guess the writers have never heard of a slide lock.


Farty McPooPants: Fixxor: One thing that keeps bothering me is the sound effects for people walking. The thud their boots make is so unrealistic and obvious at points that its dubbed over it makes me cringe. It sounds at times like the footsteps made in a resident evil game. Click clack click clack.

I know!  I was watching Andrea's feet as she left the factory to see if she was wearing some stripper heels or something.


Same here. You'd think with stealth being at a premium in the zombie apocalypse these folks could find some soft-soled work boots.
 
2013-03-18 01:50:31 AM
How did M

Mentat: BizarreMan: So we know that she's going to the prison.  But he's able to hunt her down so precisely?

Sure there is one road and I get it.  But in the middle of the field?  How many fields are there between Woodbury and the prison?

Am I the only one who thought that the field he chased her across looked like Hershel's farm?  Just from an angle where you don't see the house or barn?

Then finding her in the factory?  Way too easy.  Hell the smart thing is to go up and make it look like you went into the factory, then just keep heading through the forest.

Hell in all the surroundings of the prison, he sets himself in just the right spot to catch her at the last possible minute?

I'm thinking Milton is as toast as the walkers in the fire pit.

The writing has gotten sloppy the past few episodes.  I try not to think about it too much, but then ninja zombies appear in an empty field.


How did Michonne get her Zombie boyfriends( jawess/armless zombies in chains ) back? I thought I remember them being sliced up in the first or second episode this season to keep them quiet so Merle wouldn't find Andrea and Michonne hiding in the woods. She apparently left them tied to a tree for 9 or 10 episodes? Or was that supposed to be a flash back?
 
2013-03-18 01:54:17 AM

Thrakkorzog: How did MMentat: BizarreMan: So we know that she's going to the prison.  But he's able to hunt her down so precisely?

Sure there is one road and I get it.  But in the middle of the field?  How many fields are there between Woodbury and the prison?

Am I the only one who thought that the field he chased her across looked like Hershel's farm?  Just from an angle where you don't see the house or barn?

Then finding her in the factory?  Way too easy.  Hell the smart thing is to go up and make it look like you went into the factory, then just keep heading through the forest.

Hell in all the surroundings of the prison, he sets himself in just the right spot to catch her at the last possible minute?

I'm thinking Milton is as toast as the walkers in the fire pit.

The writing has gotten sloppy the past few episodes.  I try not to think about it too much, but then ninja zombies appear in an empty field.

How did Michonne get her Zombie boyfriends( jawess/armless zombies in chains ) back? I thought I remember them being sliced up in the first or second episode this season to keep them quiet so Merle wouldn't find Andrea and Michonne hiding in the woods. She apparently left them tied to a tree for 9 or 10 episodes? Or was that supposed to be a flash back?


It was a flashback.
 
2013-03-18 02:27:16 AM

rubi_con_man: Here's how you manage the Zombie Apocalypse:


Ignore it because it's not real. But I digress.

You've got a good idea with the addition of melee weapons, but you forget one thing: humans are GREAT at killing. In the original Romero movie, you've got all the zombies mopped up by the next day. That's what would really happen.

Humans exterminate threats with prejudice and cunning. Soldiers from any era would tear through zombies like a honey badger through tissue paper. It wouldn't be empty cities and masses of undead, it would be a blip in the history books of the night things were like that one movie.
 
2013-03-18 02:45:50 AM

MagSeven: Or was that supposed to be a flash back?

It was a flashback.


Something that's VERY rare for this show. The only other one I can remember is the one with Shane trying to get a comatose Rick out of the hospital and Shane & Lori watching the military firebomb a city.

Of course this episode's flashback was almost completely useless. Did we learn ANYTHING new? Only that Michonne's walker pets were assholes when they were alive, apparently.
 
2013-03-18 02:48:20 AM

RepoManTSM: What, you mean the Governor would lie to Andrea?


He lies to just about everybody. I'm surprised he can keep all his lies straight.
 
2013-03-18 03:01:39 AM

OtherLittleGuy: douchebag/hater: Cool! Bonfire of Zomb-ities!

Fire Walkers.


ZOMBBQ.
 
2013-03-18 03:15:04 AM

douchebag/hater: In keeping with TWD's tradition of surprisingly killing off major characters the Governor needs to go.

He's way too one dimensional.

I also think that if Rick had kept to his character he would have killed him last week.

Plus this: 2 weeks ago the show ended with Rick etc driving back to the prison and last week it starts with the meeting between Rick and the Gov. WTF happened? I never saw any exposition as to how the meeting was set up.


The last two episodes, maybe more, started with some bizarre forward warp in time, which I guess they could fill in at some point in the future, or they figured that the actual details of it weren't worth spending time on.
 
2013-03-18 03:23:25 AM

Alfonso the Great: Also I totally think the pissed off white Tyrese tagalong started the ZBBQ.


how is there any debate on this? it had to have been milton, tyrese wouldn't have had access to the truck.
 
2013-03-18 04:20:40 AM
oh andrea

oh that speculum

oh baby baby baby
 
2013-03-18 04:46:32 AM
TDL sez special surprise guest week.  I bet Milton gets it.
 
2013-03-18 04:49:11 AM
*next
 
2013-03-18 07:34:12 AM

douchebag/hater: In keeping with TWD's tradition of surprisingly killing off major characters the Governor needs to go.

He's way too one dimensional.

I also think that if Rick had kept to his character he would have killed him last week.

Plus this: 2 weeks ago the show ended with Rick etc driving back to the prison and last week it starts with the meeting between Rick and the Gov. WTF happened? I never saw any exposition as to how the meeting was set up.


Andrea set it up.  It's a good thing they didn't make a whole episode of her setting up the meeting.
 
2013-03-18 07:36:58 AM
Great, another season I could have just watched the first and last couple of episodes and would have been 100% caught up, just like the farm season.

I really hate how Andrea acts like a five year old. Instantly trusts and believes any one with an air of authority and constantly drops her guard while out in zombie land. Just so... stupid. The sooner she dies, the better. I'm honestly amazed she lasted this long.
 
2013-03-18 07:37:46 AM

fusillade762: OtherLittleGuy: douchebag/hater: Cool! Bonfire of Zomb-ities!

Fire Walkers.

ZOMBBQ.


Yes, where your food eats you.
 
2013-03-18 07:48:13 AM

Shakin_Haitian: Great, another season I could have just watched the first and last couple of episodes and would have been 100% caught up, just like the farm season.

I really hate how Andrea acts like a five year old. Instantly trusts and believes any one with an air of authority and constantly drops her guard while out in zombie land. Just so... stupid. The sooner she dies, the better. I'm honestly amazed she lasted this long.


I really wanted to like this episode; after all, the episode with Lennie James was awesome.  But yeah, the zombies in the field were a bit...tired.  The scenes were absolutely devoid of tension.  The instant they showed her alone in a field, I said to my GF, "And now, the zombies; they come out of nowhere.  They are like the chameleon."  And when Andrea leaned up against the tree.  "Of course a zombie is coming up behind her.  Get it over with."

Overall there were plot jumps that seriously affected the pacing, and some characters are flip-flopping more than a politician.  Two episodes ago, Milton was loyal enough to the Governor to betray Andrea without question.  Tonight, the opposite was true.  Rick was unwilling to hand over Michonne because he acknowledges that the Governor will kill her, and kill them all anyways without mercy.  PLOT POINT farkING RESOLVED, MOVE THE fark ON.  Nope, we get sixty more minutes of should we/shouldn't we, and it looks like they hand her over anyways.  Then they probably go rescue her.

Inconsistent writing is worse than consistently bad writing.
 
2013-03-18 07:52:26 AM
And one more point--so in the span of about a week of TV time, Michonne and Glenn have both forgiven Merle enough to be willing to go off into the wilderness with him?  Really?  Not rhetorical, farking really?  I guess an asskicking and having to fend off a zombie while tied to a chair is forgivable.  As is getting shot just for leaving Woodbury and almost bleeding out?
 
2013-03-18 07:53:31 AM
Most of you biatching about how they've drawn out this entire season on the prison would also be biatching if they had covered the entire prison plot line in a few episodes.
 
2013-03-18 07:54:23 AM

Shakin_Haitian: Great, another season I could have just watched the first and last couple of episodes and would have been 100% caught up, just like the farm season.

I really hate how Andrea acts like a five year old. Instantly trusts and believes any one with an air of authority and constantly drops her guard while out in zombie land. Just so... stupid. The sooner she dies, the better. I'm honestly amazed she lasted this long.


This.  And completely lacking in all self-awareness.
"If you stay Milton, you have to stop looking the other way."  Gee, its not like you haven't been doing that since the day you first got there when charming Gov with that Southern Accent you seem to dig so hard took a liking to you.

Plus: her defending her character on Talking Dead was farking stupid.
1)  With reference to the question of Andrea divulging info about lil'ass kickers origins: Really?  You honestly think Andrea didn't blab to Gov about the baby and the Rick/Shane/Lori drama?  Andrea intensely disliked Rick at the time and thought Shane should have been leader.  Then she got left behind.  There is zero love lost there at this point.  Of COURSE she blabbed.  They are no longer her friends.  Think like your character thinks!  (or doesn't in this case...)  You need to embrace the inner naive, self-important narcissist that is Andrea.  I mean she told the Gov the prison people were starving and scraping by.  Thanks for the damage assessment on your friends you harpy.
2)  With reference to communication between Andrea and Michonne:  I can't believe she blamed them separating on Michonne's lack of communication.  Yes, I get that Michonne should freaking talk more.  Obviously she has the brains and working jaw to do so.  But putting the blame on Michonne for Andrea not tagging along?  That's ridiculous.  As much as Michonne should have just told Andrea about the specifics she found, the Actress not addressing Andrea's hour-long head over heals fall for the Gov and all his stories after months of tagging along with Michonne far eclipses anything Michonne didn't say.  If that's what communication was between them then the dozens of incidents that took place with non-verbal cues before/during/after should clue Andrea in to Michonne's thoughts whether or not she spoke them all.  Michonne kept her stupid ass alive for months and brought her back from the brink, you would think Andrea would continue to recognize those instincts...
 
2013-03-18 08:01:03 AM

born_yesterday: Shakin_Haitian: Great, another season I could have just watched the first and last couple of episodes and would have been 100% caught up, just like the farm season.

I really hate how Andrea acts like a five year old. Instantly trusts and believes any one with an air of authority and constantly drops her guard while out in zombie land. Just so... stupid. The sooner she dies, the better. I'm honestly amazed she lasted this long.

I really wanted to like this episode; after all, the episode with Lennie James was awesome.  But yeah, the zombies in the field were a bit...tired.  The scenes were absolutely devoid of tension.  The instant they showed her alone in a field, I said to my GF, "And now, the zombies; they come out of nowhere.  They are like the chameleon."  And when Andrea leaned up against the tree.  "Of course a zombie is coming up behind her.  Get it over with."

Overall there were plot jumps that seriously affected the pacing, and some characters are flip-flopping more than a politician.  Two episodes ago, Milton was loyal enough to the Governor to betray Andrea without question.  Tonight, the opposite was true.  Rick was unwilling to hand over Michonne because he acknowledges that the Governor will kill her, and kill them all anyways without mercy.  PLOT POINT farkING RESOLVED, MOVE THE fark ON.  Nope, we get sixty more minutes of should we/shouldn't we, and it looks like they hand her over anyways.  Then they probably go rescue her.

Inconsistent writing is worse than consistently bad writing.


Couldn't agree more.

Plus, him handing over Michonne would be completely outside of Rick's established behavior.  He went back to save Merle, putting how many people in the group in additional danger to attempt to recover someone with an extremely low chance of survival?  How long did they putz around the woods looking for Carol's daughter, putting all the searcher's at risk?

Rick has had this calculation before, and it wasn't even as obvious in the cost/benefit ratio.  Rick has shown he will sacrifice the safety of the entire group in order to save/recover one of their own in every occasion that decision has cropped up in the show.  Now hes just going to hand someone over to obviously unpleasant end, for "a shot" at something he knows the gov will betray him on.  Plus, Michonne is his second most valuable asset (after Daryl).

If the debate carries on longer than the first five minute episodes and is beyond "stop being such a naive dumbass rick and help me make some damn traps" then next week will be extremely irritating.
 
2013-03-18 08:27:54 AM
The only excuse for Rick even considering handing her over is sheer exhaustion. Even then, I think it's waaaaaaaaaay too out of character for him to even consider it.
 
2013-03-18 08:41:46 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Most of you biatching about how they've drawn out this entire season on the prison would also be biatching if they had covered the entire prison plot line in a few episodes.


To be honest, I would've liked the first entire half of the season dedicated to turning the prison into an actual home, with interspersed Morgan-like episodes.

Then you take the second half of the season, and compress all of the Woodbury war stuff into that. All these shots of Rick or Glen doing tower lookout duty would be a lot more interesting if the prison yard was a fully grown farm of food right now...with the feeling that it's really dangerous to go out and harvest it.

Other random notes;

 I'm still holding out hope that Morgan is the one who set the zomb-be-que pit on fire, and that Milton just quietly approved of it when he heard about it. Which would make the eventually death of Milton at the Governor's hands much more interesting.

 What will probably happen is that it will be revealed that Merle actually IS a Governor mole, even though that never made any sense back when it was hinted at, and makes absolutely no sense as it stands right now. But you know the hack writers on the show will think that it's an awesome twist to end the season, lean back, and light a cigar in celebration for thinking of it.
 
2013-03-18 09:17:46 AM
Everything after Andrea lept the wall was the most sub par stuff this show has ever produced. I mean seriously, Andrea is kicking shiat around in the warehouse? REALLY?  You survive a year in this hell hole of a world and you can't NOT look down for 2 seconds? I don't pity her for getting caught.

They don't even explain HOW she got caught. Did he run after her? Drive? If he drove, why not try and steal the truck then? If the keys aren't in the ignition you have a big ass knife, SLASH HIS TIRES DUMBASS. Check for guns in the truck. ANYTHING but "Ok, well I'm gonna leave now". If he ran, then how the fark did he drag her back to the truck in less time then it took to get from the wwarehouse to the prison?

I pity the people who will die or get maimed trying to rescue her dumb ass eventually. I think the actress for Andrea is saddled with an AWFUL character who last night was also written AWFULLY. Seriously, this is the stuff I tell people The Walking Dead DOESN'T do. The Jason Vorheeves "We won;t explain how he is faster then you, you're just farked" stuff.

1 dud in an awesome season is fine. I will be happy when we get back to buisness next week.
 
2013-03-18 09:35:41 AM
Well, this just confirmed what I was afraid of. They are going to stretch this damn Gov plot into next Season.

They had a real good chance though right there, to wrap up Woodbury. Have Martinez and his crew assault as revenge, the prison fall most of woodbury dies in the attack, and  a smaller group treks out into the open road with Tyrese building to be second in command.

I thought they did it, really I did. When Andrea let the walkers out loose on the Gov I was like "Ohh shiat, they just wrote Lily there!" but nope, you ham fisted hacks in the writers department had to cave to the suits didn't you?
 
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