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(AP)   He was the guy who could help everybody - everybody but himself: He was this broad-shouldered guy who blasted Motorhead, Iron Maiden, favored four-letter words and inhaled Marlboro Reds - once even while conducting a "stop smoking" class   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 69
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2013-03-17 12:26:41 PM  
Another success story of the Bush administration.
 
2013-03-17 12:26:41 PM  
Sad, well written obit.
 
2013-03-17 12:29:51 PM  
Bill Blaskey!

/raises glass
 
2013-03-17 12:30:15 PM  
Christ, now I want to kill myself.

RIP. You deserved better.
 
2013-03-17 12:30:59 PM  
the hell, that was really a quote from the article.  crapy crap is crap !  crap !
 
2013-03-17 12:31:00 PM  
That is so sad.
 
2013-03-17 12:33:57 PM  
Good thing all those compassionate Conservatives were there to support this troop.

Oh...
 
2013-03-17 12:34:27 PM  
Jesus wept. not your neighbor's handyman, the Other One.
 
2013-03-17 12:38:18 PM  
The caretakers should always remember to take care of themselves.

More of a burden than one back can carry.

/RIP
 
2013-03-17 12:39:30 PM  
sigh.

Any words from me would fall short.

RIP, Sir.
 
2013-03-17 12:43:02 PM  
Enjoy your Legacy, Dubya.
 
2013-03-17 12:48:02 PM  
Ten years ago when you would try to talk to people about George Bush, you would told that he was "ordained by God to be president" and you needed to "wake up and learn the truth."

Here's your truth folks, hope you're happy.
 
2013-03-17 12:48:34 PM  
"I stood at her head and considered her hair, for Christsakes!" he wrote. "The blast had mussed her hair. Removed her foot, cleaved her abdomen, but mussed her hair. For whatever reason I looked at it and longed to smooth it back from her forehead. Like I do for my children. It was reddish-blond, curly, almost kinky, and in disarray. I looked around me to see if anyone would notice this gesture, if anyone would mind. Hell, I don't know what to do in an abattoir of human suffering, it's not my job. I deal with easy things, like the paranoid, the personality disordered, and those without hope. All I wanted to do was smooth her hair, perhaps compose her for the next stage of her journey. But I never did it, and regret it to this day."


Jesus farking Christ. Just... I have no words.

Godspeed, sir.
 
2013-03-17 12:49:38 PM  
... and the casualties roll on "/

Hell with the politics for a minute, deep breath:

Although it's not enough, Captain - we're both deeply sorry for what you were driven to - and deeply grateful for what you could do.

Rest in peace, and may whatever gods there may be have mercy on all of our souls for the consequences of what is done in the name of our nation - whether we agree or disagree on its necessity.

/salute
 
2013-03-17 12:50:17 PM  

usonia: Ten years ago when you would try to talk to people about George Bush, you would told that he was "ordained by God to be president" and you needed to "wake up and learn the truth."

Here's your truth folks, hope you're happy.


Are people still blaming Bush? Seriously? Next, let's blame George Washington.
 
2013-03-17 12:52:43 PM  

bmihura: usonia: Ten years ago when you would try to talk to people about George Bush, you would told that he was "ordained by God to be president" and you needed to "wake up and learn the truth."

Here's your truth folks, hope you're happy.

Are people still blaming Bush? Seriously? Next, let's blame George Washington.


Grow up for farks sake. This IS his legacy.
 
2013-03-17 12:54:55 PM  

Dr.Zom: Christ, now I want to kill myself.

RIP. You deserved better.



Exactly my thoughts, as well.
 
2013-03-17 12:56:03 PM  
It's well past time to bring them all home.
 
2013-03-17 12:58:49 PM  

Deathfrogg: Another success story of the Bush administration.


Let's ignore the fact that Obama tripled the size of the war in Afghanistan, tried to keep us in Iraq past the treaty date for total withdrawal, and went to war in Libya?
 
2013-03-17 12:59:17 PM  
This reminds me of my ex in that her intended field of study is psychology and she happens to need intensive therapy more than probably 95% of the people she'll ever help.

This story is terribly sad. Agree with the war or not (I personally didn't/don't), the soldiers were ordered to carry out various missions and this man helped them with a much needed service.
 
2013-03-17 12:59:25 PM  

BullBearMS: It's well past time to bring them all home.


And not only bring them home but to also compassionately and caringly attend to their various wounds, mental as well as physical. The military's treatment of these wounded veterans is a national shame.
 
2013-03-17 01:01:16 PM  
We hear a lot about how the Iraq war cost a trillion dollars.

It did, but we haven't even begun to count the true costs.
 
2013-03-17 01:03:17 PM  

squirrelinator: bmihura: usonia: Ten years ago when you would try to talk to people about George Bush, you would told that he was "ordained by God to be president" and you needed to "wake up and learn the truth."

Here's your truth folks, hope you're happy.

Are people still blaming Bush? Seriously? Next, let's blame George Washington.

Grow up for farks sake. This IS his legacy.


When the same thing happens to someone from Afghanistan right now, is that Obama's legacy?

Making this partisan on either side is the epitome of douchebaggery.   People have been suffering like this after every war, throughout the history of time.  This guy died because he tried to help those people.

Sad story about an impressive man.
 
2013-03-17 01:04:46 PM  
We lost the war the day we entered Iraq nearly 10 years ago to this day. And we keep losing good soldiers like this to the ghosts of our transgressions. Godspeed Capt. Peter Linnerooth, I hope you have found the relief you have provided for so many.
 
2013-03-17 01:05:30 PM  

Deathfrogg: Another success story of the Bush administration.


Boobies in an Obit thread...Stay Classy.
 
2013-03-17 01:06:34 PM  

BullBearMS: Deathfrogg: Another success story of the Bush administration.

Let's ignore the fact that Obama tripled the size of the war in Afghanistan, tried to keep us in Iraq past the treaty date for total withdrawal, and went to war in Libya?


And if he had ordered the total cessation of hostilities, the total withdrawal of all troops from the middle east and Asia, and closed the bases and abandoned them, you TeaPottiers would have bent over backwards to impeach him.
 
2013-03-17 01:07:40 PM  

tylerdurden217: shotglasss: Too bad all those liberals are waiting at the airports to spit on guys like this. You should all burn in hell for your hatred of our troops.

/amidoingitrite?

I wasn't sure if you were serious or not, then I looked at your derpy profile and I think you might have been serious. Spit on troops... really? That still happens? If it does, I don't think it's liberals, per se, just farking idiots. We ask the poor to fight the wars of the wealthy chickenhawks. So many conservative rednecks put the "Support our troops" magnets on their cars. That's the extent of their support.


Never go full retard.
 
2013-03-17 01:10:44 PM  
This:

Both were impossible missions - Linnerooth and two teammates were responsible for the mental stability and psychological care of thousands - and both groups leaned on one another for emotional sustenance.
 
2013-03-17 01:15:26 PM  
Guess this kinda puts my petty problems in perspective.
 
2013-03-17 01:16:22 PM  
This thread is the reason I have such a love/hate relationship with the Internet. Instead of honoring an obviously great man and his work, we decend into derpy bickering over politics.

Good jorb guys. Really. Brightened my day.
 
2013-03-17 01:17:46 PM  
All I wanted to do was smooth her hair, perhaps compose her for the next stage of her journey. But I never did it, and regret it to this day.

It's funny, the little things that end up haunting us.

Sucks. And now there are 3 more kids who lost their father entirely too early. The cycle of misery.

I think this story is worth knowing, and was worth greenlighting here on Fark. But it'd also be cool if we can get some more positive stuff. News media makes it entirely too easy to only see the dark side of the world.

Eye on the tv, 'cause tragedy thrills me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hii17sjSwfA (Tool video, so...maybe don't watch it at work)
 
2013-03-17 01:19:27 PM  
Psych treatment in the field is purely meatball surgery, like in mash. And we know what happened to hawkeye. You get weary of seeing the soldiers you cobble back together get sent back for more...if they come back at all.
 
2013-03-17 01:22:09 PM  
...and I just told someone, I'm much better at solving other people's problems than my own.

...Godspeed, sir. I'll keep reminding myself of the job you did.
 
2013-03-17 01:22:40 PM  

darch: This thread is the reason I have such a love/hate relationship with the Internet. Instead of honoring an obviously great man and his work, we decend into derpy bickering over politics.

Good jorb guys. Really. Brightened my day.


The real herpy derp is that you expected this respect and honor on  Fark.
 
2013-03-17 01:31:33 PM  
Jesus, my heart hurts after reading that. I would have loved to have known him. He sounded like an excellent person. I wish he hadn't taken himself out of the world's equation. RIP, Mr. Linnerooth.
 
2013-03-17 01:34:02 PM  
Stay thirsty, my friends.
 
2013-03-17 01:51:45 PM  
Stories like this scare the bejeesus out of me. I'm a civilian with PTSD, and it sucks to look at that and know it's a life sentence for a crime you didn't commit. I totally understand why someone would think a bullet in the brainpan is a reasonable solution (and has crossed my mind more than I'd care to admit).

I'm glad he's found the end of the pain, but I wish he could have found it some other way. However, I don't the 30 billion pills the psychs want to put you on are the answer either (I was on two and they wanted to put me on another three before I was like fark that).
 
2013-03-17 01:55:59 PM  
Everyone shows up looking forward to towns like Falluja where you can kill anyone for any reason and there is no one to arrest you or ask you to stop.But after 6 to 8 months of the constant killing, it becomes like an old video game. You don't want to buy a new video game, you want to throw the whole damn game away. However, it's too late. You have to keep killing for years to come, and that is where breaking points are reached.
 
2013-03-17 02:15:07 PM  

Peki: Stories like this scare the bejeesus out of me. I'm a civilian with PTSD, and it sucks to look at that and know it's a life sentence for a crime you didn't commit. I totally understand why someone would think a bullet in the brainpan is a reasonable solution (and has crossed my mind more than I'd care to admit).

I'm glad he's found the end of the pain, but I wish he could have found it some other way. However, I don't the 30 billion pills the psychs want to put you on are the answer either (I was on two and they wanted to put me on another three before I was like fark that).


People are seeing good results by combining PTSD therapy with low doses of MDMA (Ecstasy). Try to find treatment using this approach.

A personal interest type story on the use of MDMA to treat a civilian with PTSD.

A look at using MDMA to treat members of the armed forces with PTSD.
 
2013-03-17 02:25:33 PM  

BullBearMS: A personal interest type story on the use of MDMA to treat a civilian with PTSD.


Uggh. CNN didn't provide a link to part two and part three of the civilian's story.

Part 2

Part 3
 
2013-03-17 02:59:44 PM  
This... It's hard for me to even read that story. What an amazing person and a truly concerned human being. Sadly, I am not surprised that it ended the way it did. There is only so much pain and trauma a person can take, particularly when they're processing the mental anguish of thousands of people. I am someone who struggles with mental health issues everyday, and I can see why he chose to end his life. When you struggle with guilt and depression and are sensitive to boot, that can be a recipe for disaster. It is appalling beyond words that our health system and the military view mental health as something that can be 'fixed'. The sad reality is that mental illness never truly goes away, it is just held at bay by drugs and/or therapy. It's the ultimate non-healing wound. And we need to demand that our politicians and bureaucracy start treating mental illness as a severe condition that requires a great deal of resources. We have a generation of soldiers coming home who need our help and support beyond empty rhetoric and magnetic ribbons. The people who claim to support the troops need to start demanding support for these brave, broken soldiers. It is the very least that we can do for men like Capt Linnerooth.

And I want to put this out there... Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain. It is a not a simple, selfish act, but a desperate attempt to end a pain that seems never ending.

RIP Captain Linnerooth
You made the ultimate sacrifice
Yourself for thousands

~wanders off to hug his wife and son and try to forget his own experience~
 
2013-03-17 03:07:51 PM  

squirrelinator: bmihura: usonia: Ten years ago when you would try to talk to people about George Bush, you would told that he was "ordained by God to be president" and you needed to "wake up and learn the truth."

Here's your truth folks, hope you're happy.

Are people still blaming Bush? Seriously? Next, let's blame George Washington.

Grow up for farks sake. This IS his legacy.


Let's stop politicizing this, please. Just for an hour.

It doesn't matter who you do or do not support politically, or what you believe. CPT Linnerooth was a good man who saved the lives of a lot of good men and women. FTA: "...was frustrated by what he regarded as the Army's view of mental health as a second-class problem that can be minimized or overlooked ...was prescient about the war - years before, he had warned of a high military suicide rate...
"He felt betrayed," his widow says. "He deteriorated after that and he deteriorated quickly."
"It broke him yet again," his sister says. "He felt let down by the system."
Even for "a fairly resilient guy," Moore says, "there was just one letdown right after the other. He never got any breathing room."

If you must politicize anything, politicize that, because it is the reality within both the Army and the Department of Veterans Affairs. That is why CPT Linnerooth is dead, and it has nothing to do with former President Bush or President Obama. It has nothing to do with Conservatives or Liberals. It is apathy on the part of every single person in this country. The people we all elect but do not hold accountable to do their jobs.

It's not about 'hero' worship of military servicemen and women, it's about doing what is just and right--about keeping one's (or rather the nation's word) when those men and women are injured and/or disabled while in their country's service. It has nothing to do with whether or not we agree with the politics behind those actions (I know several men and women in the military who are, in fact, lifelong Democrats, for what it's worth). CPT Linnerooth's story is just the tip of the iceberg of things that are wrong within the military and VA system, but it's not a left wing or right wing issue--it's an American issue. If you must attack something rather than simply being thankful that CPT Linnerooth was there to save so many lives for as long as he was, focus your attacks where they belong: on the military and on the VA. Maybe then Captain Linnerooth's death will mean something.

*it's not a handout like welfare, you have to actually bleed and prove there's a reason for it, generally speaking, though some do game the system...most of us just aren't smart enough to figure out how to game the system because it's so farking difficult and such a hassle that you want to give up and tell them to just forget about it
 
2013-03-17 03:17:29 PM  
Godspeed to your earned rest, good soldier. RIP
 
2013-03-17 03:20:24 PM  

Kell Hound: Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain.


It's always a choice. People can absorb all the pain the world can throw at them, and more, but sometimes they just choose not to anymore. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, either. People can leave this world whenever they want, and to hell with anyone who thinks they should be forced to stay.

If people are killing themselves at the rates they are in modern times, instead of dismissing them as mentally ill you should take a good hard look at the world we've created. It's inhumane.
 
2013-03-17 03:22:38 PM  
I read this story on Yahoo last night. That really sucks. It's nice to be able to help other people. But to neglect yourself is just wrong.
 
2013-03-17 03:26:23 PM  

notatrollorami: M11618: Deathfrogg: Another success story of the Bush administration.

eat a huge farking dick. We were all grown men when we signed up. I knew men like this in the military, they would punch you in the face for being such a fark stick. This man deserves better than you politicizing his death, fark you die. This article was very emotional for me and then I come to comments and see this crap? You're lucky I didn't hear you say this, I'd break you in half.

I want to agree on the partisan politicization, but I do believe the legacy of presidents who start unjustified wars should be forever stained.  War has always been and always will be necessary at times, but Iraq II and many other wars in which we've engaged were unjustified slaughter for our troops and theirs.  And this guy typifies the thousands and thousands whose lives are completely ruined without suffering a scratch.  The public desperately needs a better understanding of the nature of war so they are not so easily swayed into putting boots on the ground in ambiguous situations like Iraq.

////Infantry vet
////Tears streaming down my face throughout that article.  Heartfelt thanks to this man for trading his well being and eventually his life to help so many others.  This is the true face of heroism.


I am not a fan of either of the two wars but read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resoluti o n_1441

Really, read it. It may help you feel a little better, maybe not. Either way, more information can't be bad.
 
2013-03-17 03:26:30 PM  

Kell Hound: This... It's hard for me to even read that story. What an amazing person and a truly concerned human being. Sadly, I am not surprised that it ended the way it did. There is only so much pain and trauma a person can take, particularly when they're processing the mental anguish of thousands of people. I am someone who struggles with mental health issues everyday, and I can see why he chose to end his life. When you struggle with guilt and depression and are sensitive to boot, that can be a recipe for disaster. It is appalling beyond words that our health system and the military view mental health as something that can be 'fixed'. The sad reality is that mental illness never truly goes away, it is just held at bay by drugs and/or therapy. It's the ultimate non-healing wound. And we need to demand that our politicians and bureaucracy start treating mental illness as a severe condition that requires a great deal of resources. We have a generation of soldiers coming home who need our help and support beyond empty rhetoric and magnetic ribbons. The people who claim to support the troops need to start demanding support for these brave, broken soldiers. It is the very least that we can do for men like Capt Linnerooth.

And I want to put this out there... Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain. It is a not a simple, selfish act, but a desperate attempt to end a pain that seems never ending.

RIP Captain Linnerooth
You made the ultimate sacrifice
Yourself for thousands

~wanders off to hug his wife and son and try to forget his own experience~


This.

Aigoo: If you must politicize anything, politicize that, because it is the reality within both the Army and the Department of Veterans Affairs. That is why CPT Linnerooth is dead, and it has nothing to do with former President Bush or President Obama. It has nothing to do with Conservatives or Liberals. It is apathy on the part of every single person in this country. The people we all elect but do not hold accountable to do their jobs.


My ex had PTSD from serving in Iraq.  He did not get disability for it, nor could he get treatment at the VA for it.  He had a blind rage incident after he saw someone hit a woman, woke up to the guy on the floor and him pounding on him while the two women with them screamed.  Not a single sliding scale psych in town would see him because they didn't know how to handle "combat trauma".

Under the Obama administration what qualified for combat PTSD got changed so he could be seen.  IIRC it was that his PTSD was tied to several (horrific) incidents and not tied to one specifically that disqualified him, and that policy was changed.

There is politics involved in it, and to deny it is being myopic.

That said, you're right that there's a time and place.  But you can discuss, in a calm manner, the politics that may have contributed.  The POTUS is in charge of the VA, no?  Funding for the VA is a political issue, no?  The Commander in Chief certainly could have a say in making sure active service members are equipped with the credentials they'll need to transition to that same work in civilian life (which has been an issue for quite some time), no?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-24-2012/exclusive---ec on omic-reintegration-for-veterans
 
2013-03-17 03:35:59 PM  
Goddamnit so much.

RIP Capt. Linnerooth
 
2013-03-17 03:38:34 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I read this story on Yahoo last night. That really sucks. It's nice to be able to help other people. But to neglect yourself is just wrong.


It's easier said than done.  I probably follow the same pattern (in a completely, totally different set of circumstances).  I help my friends and family all the time.  I'm the first person many people go to confide in, and often I'm the only person who ever knows.  I'd like to think it's because I'm empathetic, and don't judge but will logically help them work through what to do next.  I do bookkeeping and taxes for relatives and help friends with taxes and finances.

And it's incredibly hard to turn that analytical eye to yourself sometimes.  Especially if your mental state isn't ideal.  Especially if you've got anxiety and self doubt already.  You can help others, but try to help yourself and you have to face things personally that you rather wouldn't, and sometimes you just can't manage to face them at all.  Even if you're aware of that, realizing "doctor, go heal thyself" is one thing.  Making it happen is another.
 
2013-03-17 03:57:47 PM  
If only we could trade the lives of the trolls in this thread for his.

Still, moving article, and moving thread. RIP, fella.
 
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