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(Chron)   People startled when old man in robe shows up at small church, kisses babies, gives a short sermon and jokes with kids. Apparently Popes don't usually do that sort of thing   (chron.com) divider line 64
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2013-03-17 04:57:38 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: And the media continues to report on everything pope-related EXCEPT the reasons the last one stepped down. Wouldn't want to make people uncomfortable with actual news...


The letters leaked to the Italian press by the valet of Pope Quitter V paints the man as not so much corrupt as he was a weak CEO bedeviled by management issues. He could not control his subordinates, his secretary ran circles around him, and his deputies engaged in vicious infighting among themselves by way of being a recreational activity. The Church is just like any other large bureaucracy beset with management problems.
 
2013-03-17 05:35:51 PM
I was raised Catholic. Mass every Sunday, Catholic schools through high school etc. I am no longer Catholic and if pressed, I have to say I'm an atheist. I certainly don't believe in the traditional God/Jesus/Holy Spirit (fun fact: my grade school/parish was Church of the Holy Spirit) fantasy. I think my BS meter started registering that something was not quite right back when I was in the latter years of grade school. I am beyond disgusted with the history of the Catholic Church and the legacy of child molestation, torture, cover ups, gay condemning,  misogyny, you name it. However, it appears that this guy might be just a bit better choice as pope and one who might actually be in step with what Jeebus preached. Except for tolerating gays. I guess that's still not possible. Too bad that so many priests are gay.
 
2013-03-17 06:06:18 PM
It's certainly better he's nice than aloof or formal.
His lifestyle points strongly away from the ego-trip that someone in power could suffer from.

It will be awkward when this nice, earnest man has to - nonetheless - tell others that his church does not allow abortions, nor homosexual marriage. And he has publicly said that he is personally in accord with this.

"But you're such a nice guy! Why can't you abandon centuries of church doctrine?"

Which will show how little people understand about religion. In all arguments with a True Believer, their beliefs will win.
 
2013-03-17 09:37:57 PM
Meh. Wake me up when a pizzeria owner gives him a bear hug.
 
2013-03-17 09:52:55 PM

Egalitarian: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
hahaha these guys can't get over a Pope who simplifies tradition and wants more money spent on the poor rather than razzle-dazzle. ZOMG God wants pomp & circumstance, the Catholic church is going to dieeeee!!!


That website is hilarious.

How anyone can call the papacy "immutable" with a straight face is beyond me.
 
2013-03-17 09:55:32 PM

maddogdelta: Silverstaff: he man has spent decades being known as a personable, humble, friendly man. If it's PR, he's the best PR guy the Catholics have had in a long, long time.

And best buddies with the people who gave you the "dirty war"


"The testimony of Argentine war criminals in tribunals showed that catholic priests and chaplains played a central role in the torture and murder of dissidents by blessing torture chambers and absolving troops of their sins after they had thrown dozens of bound and drugged dissidents from a plane into the 50-mile-wide Rio de la Plata."

It's sad when your new guy is an ethical step DOWN from Hitler Youth...you could at least argue the last one was too young to know better.
 
2013-03-17 10:21:52 PM
So . . . this papacy is just going to be one PR stunt after another?  Well, that should divert attention away from the child molesters.
 
2013-03-17 10:37:04 PM

EdBear: fugeeface: Texasgurl24: And the last time a nice guy was elected pope he lasted 33 days.....
I was thinking the same thing...
/not Catholic

Yeah, if he goes too far too fast with that poor church business he'd best be watching his cholesterol intake.  Heart attacks and all.

/wishes him the best in any case


"Heart attack,"....riiiiiiight.

/I'm looking at you, cardinals
 
2013-03-18 05:37:09 AM

johndalek: part of the problem: By bizarre coincidence a priest friend of mine knows some Argentine clergy that are close to him. He is by all reports just one really nice guy. But if anyone imagines he is going to forget which enormous international organization he is ceo of you may be dissapointed. Hes a Jesuit with a great personality not Mr. Rogers in red shoes.


dont forget fred ran everything about his neighborhood, and had a lot of control over what was done---maybe we need a fred rogers running the church.  although it would look kind of goofy for the pope to be running around in cardigan sweaters and tennis shoes---or who knows--maybe it would be better.


Pope Dougal Maguire.
 
2013-03-18 07:03:23 AM

lilbjorn: So . . . this papacy is just going to be one PR stunt after another?  Well, that should divert attention away from the child molesters.


why do i always think of chocolate chip cookies whenever i hear the word "molester"
 
2013-03-18 08:19:52 AM

PunGent: maddogdelta: Silverstaff: he man has spent decades being known as a personable, humble, friendly man. If it's PR, he's the best PR guy the Catholics have had in a long, long time.

And best buddies with the people who gave you the "dirty war"

"The testimony of Argentine war criminals in tribunals showed that catholic priests and chaplains played a central role in the torture and murder of dissidents by blessing torture chambers and absolving troops of their sins after they had thrown dozens of bound and drugged dissidents from a plane into the 50-mile-wide Rio de la Plata."

It's sad when your new guy is an ethical step DOWN from Hitler Youth...you could at least argue the last one was too young to know better.


I can't remember his name, but there is a book written about that war by some nobel prize winning noted authority on it and he was very clear that although there *were* instances of complicity by priests during that time, that PF1 was not one of them.
 
2013-03-18 10:02:12 AM

digitalrain: PunGent: maddogdelta: Silverstaff: he man has spent decades being known as a personable, humble, friendly man. If it's PR, he's the best PR guy the Catholics have had in a long, long time.

And best buddies with the people who gave you the "dirty war"

"The testimony of Argentine war criminals in tribunals showed that catholic priests and chaplains played a central role in the torture and murder of dissidents by blessing torture chambers and absolving troops of their sins after they had thrown dozens of bound and drugged dissidents from a plane into the 50-mile-wide Rio de la Plata."

It's sad when your new guy is an ethical step DOWN from Hitler Youth...you could at least argue the last one was too young to know better.

I can't remember his name, but there is a book written about that war by some nobel prize winning noted authority on it and he was very clear that although there *were* instances of complicity by priests during that time, that PF1 was not one of them.


Well, if you find it, feel free to post it.

I TRY to keep an open mind on the modern papacy...but it's freekin' hard sometimes.

(this should not be viewed as an endorsement of any competing organized religions...many of them are worse).
 
2013-03-18 08:14:15 PM

PunGent: digitalrain: PunGent: maddogdelta: Silverstaff: he man has spent decades being known as a personable, humble, friendly man. If it's PR, he's the best PR guy the Catholics have had in a long, long time.

And best buddies with the people who gave you the "dirty war"

"The testimony of Argentine war criminals in tribunals showed that catholic priests and chaplains played a central role in the torture and murder of dissidents by blessing torture chambers and absolving troops of their sins after they had thrown dozens of bound and drugged dissidents from a plane into the 50-mile-wide Rio de la Plata."

It's sad when your new guy is an ethical step DOWN from Hitler Youth...you could at least argue the last one was too young to know better.

I can't remember his name, but there is a book written about that war by some nobel prize winning noted authority on it and he was very clear that although there *were* instances of complicity by priests during that time, that PF1 was not one of them.

Well, if you find it, feel free to post it.

I TRY to keep an open mind on the modern papacy...but it's freekin' hard sometimes.

(this should not be viewed as an endorsement of any competing organized religions...many of them are worse).


The author was Perez Esquive and he has said "while some members of the church were active with the junta, Francis was not one of them "
 
2013-03-19 10:35:47 AM

digitalrain: PunGent: digitalrain: PunGent: maddogdelta: Silverstaff: he man has spent decades being known as a personable, humble, friendly man. If it's PR, he's the best PR guy the Catholics have had in a long, long time.

And best buddies with the people who gave you the "dirty war"

"The testimony of Argentine war criminals in tribunals showed that catholic priests and chaplains played a central role in the torture and murder of dissidents by blessing torture chambers and absolving troops of their sins after they had thrown dozens of bound and drugged dissidents from a plane into the 50-mile-wide Rio de la Plata."

It's sad when your new guy is an ethical step DOWN from Hitler Youth...you could at least argue the last one was too young to know better.

I can't remember his name, but there is a book written about that war by some nobel prize winning noted authority on it and he was very clear that although there *were* instances of complicity by priests during that time, that PF1 was not one of them.

Well, if you find it, feel free to post it.

I TRY to keep an open mind on the modern papacy...but it's freekin' hard sometimes.

(this should not be viewed as an endorsement of any competing organized religions...many of them are worse).

The author was Perez Esquive and he has said "while some members of the church were active with the junta, Francis was not one of them "


You mean this guy, who thinks 9/11 was an inside job?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_P%C3%A9rez_Esquivel
 
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