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(Psych Central)   Parents: "Our child can't focus." Doctors: "We'll artificially alter their brain chemistry, even though their brain isn't even fully developed yet." Parents: "BRILLIANT." Neurologists: "About that"   (psychcentral.com) divider line 81
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2013-03-17 03:42:40 PM  

sweatybronson: "Hi, I'm a young kid who sits in a chair in a classroom all day, and then when I get home, I sit in front of the television or the computer as lots of flashy images fly by.  I have trouble paying attention."

That's not a disorder.  That's the obvious outcome of a lifestyle that - both at school and at home - is unnatural and unhealthy.

Kids need lots of recess and time running around discovering things like what a rolly-polly tastes like.


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2013-03-17 04:26:20 PM  

studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.


This.
I'm 40 yrs old and didn't realize I had ADHD until I changed careers from broadcasting to nursing. It makes complete sense now. Why I couldn't do a lot of homework at one time, never studied well, quit various activities when I got bored with ot(dance, basketball, etc). Not only that but emotional issues that I just chalked up to my Cuban temper and tender feelings.
I've been on Vyvanse for a year now and I can tell a huge difference. My emotions are in check, I concentrate better, more organized.
I wish I would have been diagnosed in college. I think my life would have been vastly different.
 
2013-03-17 04:26:35 PM  
Yes! It's about time someone stands up to Big pharma and STOP prescribing drugs that harm brain development for people under the age of 18.

There is an astounding amount of literature that shows amphetamines (Adderall) and other dopaminergic drugs actually <i>cause</i> ADHD pathology in young adults. Worse, there is plenty of literature that shows children given these drugs permanently develop ADHD pathology - whether they exhibited it before administration or not.

If your kid needs to get a 1600 on the SATs with Adderall so badly you feel fine setting them up a life long addiction to the drug, perhaps at the very least you should be forced to explain these side effects and let them determine whether the drug is worth taking. Be sure to tell them it gets them high. You know, for the grades!
 
2013-03-17 04:54:44 PM  

Bontesla: My brother's elementary school held my brother's education for ransom. Either my mother gave him medication (the teacher diagnosed him with ADD). My mother never had any issues with my brother and felt his behavior was quite normal. But she was a single parent, working as an aid at the nursing home for 2.25 an hour, taking care of her disabled father, raising three kids, and going to college. She had very little options.


No kidding, most schools would have given her an 'or else' option!
 
2013-03-17 05:02:48 PM  
All I know is that it seems to be a common thing for stupid doctors, school counselors, and parents to misdiagnose ADHD when the child is just an Introvert personality type.
 
2013-03-17 05:24:40 PM  
I'll just throw this out...

Up until I was 3 I was considered "hyperactive," which was the name for it back then. I was extremely bright and well ahead of what was normal for my age, but was more or less uncontrollable.

Then *boom* I stopped acting out, found focus, and actually became a rather creepy introvert.

What changed was that I learned how to read, and my family had a huge library. To a little kid for whom that opens up, yowza. THERE IS AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE IN THERE! I read it all and wanted more.

Of course, my adult alcoholism burned out whatever brilliance I might have ever had, but I can't help but think that having a library readily available and turning off the jump-cut flashing-lights immediate-gratification television might make a difference for kids that might fit my pattern. I watch television and think "Well, no WONDER kids are ADD."
 
2013-03-17 05:59:12 PM  

herdgirl72: studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.

This.
I'm 40 yrs old and didn't realize I had ADHD until I changed careers from broadcasting to nursing. It makes complete sense now. Why I couldn't do a lot of homework at one time, never studied well, quit various activities when I got bored with ot(dance, basketball, etc). Not only that but emotional issues that I just chalked up to my Cuban temper and tender feelings.
I've been on Vyvanse for a year now and I can tell a huge difference. My emotions are in check, I concentrate better, more organized.
I wish I would have been diagnosed in college. I think my life would have been vastly different.




Go back to school.
 
2013-03-17 07:42:34 PM  
Drugs are not a replacement for parenting.
 
2013-03-17 07:44:16 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: herdgirl72: studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.

This.
I'm 40 yrs old and didn't realize I had ADHD until I changed careers from broadcasting to nursing. It makes complete sense now. Why I couldn't do a lot of homework at one time, never studied well, quit various activities when I got bored with ot(dance, basketball, etc). Not only that but emotional issues that I just chalked up to my Cuban temper and tender feelings.
I've been on Vyvanse for a year now and I can tell a huge difference. My emotions are in check, I concentrate better, more organized.
I wish I would have been diagnosed in college. I think my life would have been vastly different.



Go back to school.


I am. I'm an LPN working on my 2nd bachelors degree, this time in nursing.
Should be done in 2 1/2 yrs.
 
2013-03-17 08:59:34 PM  
legion_of_doo

Drugs are not a replacement for parenting.

I agree.

Good parents will recognize that l'il Timmah isn't firing on all eight, and use the medical system to find out why.  If an ADHD diagnosis comes back and a drug is indicated, good parents will get the kid his medicine, then monitor his performance both at school and at life in general.  Good parents use peer review of their parenting choices to make sure that they are using the best practices to raise a successful child.  They can proactively assist by following along with his studies, and shadowing his next school.  At the same time, they avoid "helicoper parent" syndrome by knowing when to step back and let the kid flap his wings and jump.  Learning involves getting things wrong, and wise parents let it happen, to be sure the lessons of these trials are explained so the kid can learn and then choose differently the next time the same situation is encountered.  These parents make raising their children a full-time job, using all available resources.

Bad parents will punish the kid for poor test scores and a fear of going outside (because the kid is totally unprepared / ill-equipped to deal with aggressive peers).  Bad parent's will think "drugs are bad, m'kay" and instead simply order the kid to do his homework and to study harder, with predictable results.  Bad parents will continue to deny there is anything wrong with them, their parenting style, their life outlook, or their child.  More bad grades, more punishment, until eventually the kid either drops out of school, or if he does finish, splits home at 18.  Once free of the the toxic family environment, the kid is then on his own, for better or worse, to raise and teach himself, to sink or swim in the real world.
 
2013-03-17 09:21:00 PM  
Science is still learning... how is babby formed.
 
2013-03-17 10:00:52 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: bifford: Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.

I kinda wish my parents had tried medication sooner.  As an adult, I'm trying every ADHD drug on the market and my parents insist they're all poison and that I'm killing myself.  My problem is not that they're poison, it's that nothing works.

Serious question: have you tried cannabis? Caffeine also can help.


That could help, but it could be he is in the wrong family of drugs.

A mood stabilzer might be enough for him/her to get a firm grip and keep it under control. invega did wonders during a very stressful divorce for me. after a few months, didnt need it anymore.
 
2013-03-17 10:09:28 PM  

booksmrt: You guys read the article, right?  It's not about the dangers of prescribing meds to kids with ADHD, ADD, etc. It's about prescribing those and other drugs to students without those disorders as "study drugs".

/please adjust your rants accordingly


Based solely on the Fark Headline, I was about to send this to a coworker of mine who has a kid with "maybe ADHD" who is *very* resistant to putting the kid on drugs. Like, didn't want to get the kid evaluated, because he figured they'd just push drugs on him. Then I RTFA.

/They're doing dietary and behavioral modification, and it seems to be having a positive effect on the kid.
//Was on these kinds of drugs up until 8th graSQUIRREL
 
2013-03-17 10:43:16 PM  

herdgirl72: StoPPeRmobile: herdgirl72: studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.

This.
I'm 40 yrs old and didn't realize I had ADHD until I changed careers from broadcasting to nursing. It makes complete sense now. Why I couldn't do a lot of homework at one time, never studied well, quit various activities when I got bored with ot(dance, basketball, etc). Not only that but emotional issues that I just chalked up to my Cuban temper and tender feelings.
I've been on Vyvanse for a year now and I can tell a huge difference. My emotions are in check, I concentrate better, more organized.
I wish I would have been diagnosed in college. I think my life would have been vastly different.

Go back to school.

I am. I'm an LPN working on my 2nd bachelors degree, this time in nursing.
Should be done in 2 1/2 yrs.


Awesome.

/should be studying
 
2013-03-18 03:28:30 AM  

studebaker hoch: Once free of the the toxic family environment, the kid is then on his own, for better or worse, to raise and teach himself, to sink or swim in the real world.


The neurotic and sterile approach to parenting you mentioned first is the kind of toxic family environment that breeds mentally ill people who can't cope with the real world. If you want your kids to be ready to deal with real people, be real with them. Don't treat them like some kind of lab experiment.
 
2013-03-18 05:38:26 AM  
How about cutting out everything that consists of 90% high-fructose corn syrup out of the kids diet? Try some bacon and eggs for breakfast.
 
2013-03-18 07:14:20 AM  
Here I am again, 'defending' accepted science.
ADHD is real. It's debilitating, and the medicine I take combats it fully enough for me to enjoy my life. Please stop contributing to the mass hysteria about a stimulant. Ritalin, Concerta, Aderahl, etc, are stimulants that affect the same part of your brain as caffeine  they don't turn you into a zombie, they don't create an alternate personality, it just allows me to concentrate when necessary, and to be a lot more pro-active in my day-to-day life than I ever am when I'm without medicinal assistance.

ADD is theoretically caused by the under-utilization of a certain area of the brain, and that line of medicines  help get it into line.

In short, ADHD and the medicines prescribed to treat it are not quackery.
 
2013-03-18 09:06:44 AM  
Dedmon:

In short, ADHD and the medicines prescribed to treat it are not quackery.

It's one thing if the drugs are used to help a person that is genuinely afflicted, what we're railing about is that there are so many kids being 'diagnosed' with ADD/ADHD for just being normal kids by completely unqualified individuals, and farking them up in the head with chemicals so they need them as adults to function.  Really only a pediatric neurologist has the knowledge and resources to diagnose the disease. Not some overworked, underpaid teacher on her last nerve because Timmah is asking questions, trying to learn, instead of shutting the fark up so she can finish teaching towards a standardized test.
 
2013-03-18 09:17:37 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: bifford: Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.

I kinda wish my parents had tried medication sooner.  As an adult, I'm trying every ADHD drug on the market and my parents insist they're all poison and that I'm killing myself.  My problem is not that they're poison, it's that nothing works.

Serious question: have you tried cannabis? Caffeine also can help.


If you try cannabis, eating it instead of smoking it is the better option.
 
2013-03-18 09:22:46 AM  

Dedmon: Here I am again, 'defending' accepted science.
ADHD is real. It's debilitating, and the medicine I take combats it fully enough for me to enjoy my life. Please stop contributing to the mass hysteria about a stimulant. Ritalin, Concerta, Aderahl, etc, are stimulants that affect the same part of your brain as caffeine  they don't turn you into a zombie, they don't create an alternate personality, it just allows me to concentrate when necessary, and to be a lot more pro-active in my day-to-day life than I ever am when I'm without medicinal assistance.

ADD is theoretically caused by the under-utilization of a certain area of the brain, and that line of medicines  help get it into line.

In short, ADHD and the medicines prescribed to treat it are not quackery.


Are you attempting to imply that your own direct personal experience and the peer reviewed research of thousands of psychologists is in some way more valuable than are the uninformed opinions of individuals who claim to know that Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder diagnoses are universally a consequence of "kids being kids"?
 
2013-03-18 09:30:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: But it's still ok for pregnant women to be on anti-depressants, while the brain of their child is forming.


That's because the class action lawsuits for children with damaged hearts, brains and immune systems have been held up in courts for more than a decade by the drug monster's lawyers so that profits can continue.

/have a friend who's son has a severely farked heart and severe arthritis...when he was born, doctors predicted he would be dead by now.
 
2013-03-18 12:22:29 PM  
Hey psychojackasses - you might have wanted to think about that before you called that class of drugs "neuroenhancements".  As long as the word "enhancement" is in it, people are going to be demanding it for their kids to enhance their brains.
 
2013-03-18 12:27:21 PM  

Dedmon: they don't turn you into a zombie,


I've got a definite YMMV on this.
 
2013-03-18 01:41:58 PM  
herdgirl72: studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.
 
If you're lucky, the meds help you.

This.
I'm 40 yrs old and didn't realize I had ADHD until I changed careers from broadcasting to nursing. It makes complete sense now. Why I couldn't do a lot of homework at one time, never studied well, quit various activities when I got bored with ot(dance, basketball, etc). Not only that but emotional issues that I just chalked up to my Cuban temper and tender feelings.
I've been on Vyvanse for a year now and I can tell a huge difference. My emotions are in check, I concentrate better, more organized.
I wish I would have been diagnosed in college. I think my life would have been vastly different.


    My story is basically the same except for the college part. I agree that unless you have it you really can't understand which is why I tell people to seek diagnosis and prescription advice from doctors that have it too. Wasn't it a huge relief when you finally found out it wasn't your fault you were that way?
 
2013-03-18 02:48:16 PM  
I'm really torn on this issue. My ex had my youngest daughter checked in Miami for ADD and she was diagnosed with it. She had her on medication, and she seemed fine, but she seemed fine to me when she came to visit me in the summers. And she didn't take her medication then. So this year, my ex begged me to take her for the school year, and I did. Now  I see what she was talking about. I tried without medication for 3 months, and she could not concentrate. She would sit at the table for 4 or more hours each night trying to do her homework.  She was not listening in class and forgetting everything, and she would carry jokes on way too much. She didn't know when to stop. When she laughed or smiled, it was almost like looking at the Joker.

On her medication, she gets her homework done before I get home. She's gotten much better in class, and she doesn't seem like a crazy person and can sit and hold a conversation with you without blanking out or staring into space and not hearing you every few seconds. Plus she can read books again.

it's a scary, scary thing. I always thought I had a touch of it, but I was never medicated, she strikes me as exactly the kind of person who needs it, but I hate having her on medication.
 
2013-03-18 05:14:35 PM  

Dimensio: Dedmon: Here I am again, 'defending' accepted science.
ADHD is real. It's debilitating, and the medicine I take combats it fully enough for me to enjoy my life. Please stop contributing to the mass hysteria about a stimulant. Ritalin, Concerta, Aderahl, etc, are stimulants that affect the same part of your brain as caffeine  they don't turn you into a zombie, they don't create an alternate personality, it just allows me to concentrate when necessary, and to be a lot more pro-active in my day-to-day life than I ever am when I'm without medicinal assistance.

ADD is theoretically caused by the under-utilization of a certain area of the brain, and that line of medicines  help get it into line.

In short, ADHD and the medicines prescribed to treat it are not quackery.

Are you attempting to imply that your own direct personal experience and the peer reviewed research of thousands of psychologists is in some way more valuable than are the uninformed opinions of individuals who claim to know that Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder diagnoses are universally a consequence of "kids being kids"?


Yup.
 
2013-03-18 05:20:34 PM  

Valhalla130: I'm really torn on this issue. My ex had my youngest daughter checked in Miami for ADD and she was diagnosed with it. She had her on medication, and she seemed fine, but she seemed fine to me when she came to visit me in the summers. And she didn't take her medication then. So this year, my ex begged me to take her for the school year, and I did. Now  I see what she was talking about. I tried without medication for 3 months, and she could not concentrate. She would sit at the table for 4 or more hours each night trying to do her homework.  She was not listening in class and forgetting everything, and she would carry jokes on way too much. She didn't know when to stop. When she laughed or smiled, it was almost like looking at the Joker.

On her medication, she gets her homework done before I get home. She's gotten much better in class, and she doesn't seem like a crazy person and can sit and hold a conversation with you without blanking out or staring into space and not hearing you every few seconds. Plus she can read books again.

it's a scary, scary thing. I always thought I had a touch of it, but I was never medicated, she strikes me as exactly the kind of person who needs it, but I hate having her on medication.


Don't hate having her on medication. I went 25 years without being diagnosed, and the last 7 years of my life have been amazingly improved. I have a good relationship with my girlfriend, I have a career, am about to buy my first home, and my social skills have improved greatly, all because I have the ability to concentrate, and I have a sense of proactive living, instead of reactive lazing.
 
2013-03-18 06:37:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: This is one of the areas I actually agree with this statement as more than a conspiracy. Drug Reps push ADHD and psychotropic medications on these family practice docs like candy, and since most are amphetamine-based schedule II drugs, it creates a guaranteed profit for both the drug company and the practice - you have to have a visit each time you want a refill.


Not true, it is perfectly legit to mail a prescription each month. There is no need for them to come in. Or if they do want to come it they could just pick it up at the front desk. I don't think anyone actually makes the kid come in every month, or if they do, they are sleaze-balls.
 
2013-03-18 09:34:08 PM  

Saberus Terras: Dedmon:

In short, ADHD and the medicines prescribed to treat it are not quackery.

It's one thing if the drugs are used to help a person that is genuinely afflicted, what we're railing about is that there are so many kids being 'diagnosed' with ADD/ADHD for just being normal kids by completely unqualified individuals, and farking them up in the head with chemicals so they need them as adults to function.  Really only a pediatric neurologist has the knowledge and resources to diagnose the disease. Not some overworked, underpaid teacher on her last nerve because Timmah is asking questions, trying to learn, instead of shutting the fark up so she can finish teaching towards a standardized test.


I keep hearing about teachers pushing the ADHD and ADD, but I know teachers from three different states - Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio - and they are strictly forbidden from "diagnosing" a child or recommending that the parents take the child to a doctor for an examination. They can actually go on corrective action for doing this. Generally, what seems to happen is that, when the teacher tells a parent that the child won't sit still, interrupts, or is generally disruptive, parents go to a doctor. The doctor listens to what the parents say, and then the doctor whips out the prescription pad.
 
2013-03-19 02:27:40 AM  

Dedmon: Here I am again, 'defending' accepted science.
ADHD is real. It's debilitating, and the medicine I take combats it fully enough for me to enjoy my life. Please stop contributing to the mass hysteria about a stimulant. Ritalin, Concerta, Aderahl, etc, are stimulants that affect the same part of your brain as caffeine  they don't turn you into a zombie, they don't create an alternate personality, it just allows me to concentrate when necessary, and to be a lot more pro-active in my day-to-day life than I ever am when I'm without medicinal assistance.

ADD is theoretically caused by the under-utilization of a certain area of the brain, and that line of medicines  help get it into line.

In short, ADHD and the medicines prescribed to treat it are not quackery.


Dopamine. It can't pass the blood/brain barrier. Speed can.
 
2013-03-20 04:05:23 PM  
J. Frank Parnell

The neurotic and sterile approach to parenting you mentioned first is the kind of toxic family environment that breeds mentally ill people who can't cope with the real world. If you want your kids to be ready to deal with real people, be real with them.

Being real means really finding out if they have a problem, and then really seeking to fix it.  The worst thing you can possibly do for a kid having troubles is to discount what they try to tell you and instead just pretend everything is cool.  Parents go into denial when they don't want to admit to themselves (or anyone else) that their snowflake may need some help.  Kid keeps failing third grade math courses?  Punishment until morale improves!

Don't treat them like some kind of lab experiment.

Yeah by all means don't bring western medical science into your kids world, such heresy is of the Devil.  Instead, use punishment again!  Show some morale, you little brat!!!

/ You can interpret what I say however you wish.  There is a right way to do things, and a whole bunch of other ways.  Recommend getting it right.  If peer-reviewed, best practices parenting skills are wrong, then I'd like to hear a better idea.
 
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