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(Psych Central)   Parents: "Our child can't focus." Doctors: "We'll artificially alter their brain chemistry, even though their brain isn't even fully developed yet." Parents: "BRILLIANT." Neurologists: "About that"   (psychcentral.com) divider line 81
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2013-03-17 07:37:49 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-17 08:39:58 AM  
This could easily have had the OBVIOUS tag too.  But I can see where FAIL works....
 
2013-03-17 08:45:41 AM  
Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again? Especially to children who do not have any other functional life issues other than having too much energy?

Too much energy does not equal ADHD.

/went through three child psychiatrists and an inpatient program before I got that diagnosis.
//Vyvance helps. Went from Ds to a 3.9 GPA.
 
2013-03-17 08:54:22 AM  

hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again? Especially to children who do not have any other functional life issues other than having too much energy?
Too much energy does not equal ADHD.
/went through three child psychiatrists and an inpatient program before I got that diagnosis. //Vyvance helps. Went from Ds to a 3.9 GPA.

Knows your pain:


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-17 09:16:14 AM  

hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again? Especially to children who do not have any other functional life issues other than having too much energy?

Too much energy does not equal ADHD.

/went through three child psychiatrists and an inpatient program before I got that diagnosis.
//Vyvance helps. Went from Ds to a 3.9 GPA.


Three main reasons:

1) Profit for all these new drugs by the drug companies

2) Asswit parents that won't lead their kids without medical help

3) Schools who have the right to either demand the kid be medicated or kicked out


Looking forward to the eventual crippling civil suits against the drug companies by the grown up kids who had ADHD medicine given them as kids, who now are grown up and can't function without it.
 
2013-03-17 09:28:08 AM  

Generation_D: 1) Profit for all these new drugs by the drug companies


This is one of the areas I actually agree with this statement as more than a conspiracy. Drug Reps push ADHD and psychotropic medications on these family practice docs like candy, and since most are amphetamine-based schedule II drugs, it creates a guaranteed profit for both the drug company and the practice - you have to have a visit each time you want a refill.

Thankfully, I've got insurance so I'm only out 30 bucks a month for a visit, but some of these places charge 100-200 bucks a visit without insurance.

Generation_D: 2) Asswit parents that won't lead their kids without medical help

3) Schools who have the right to either demand the kid be medicated or kicked out


This too. The fact of the matter is that ADHD medication is only ONE part of the treatment regiment for kids who actually have it, and parents who just throw pills at their kid without giving them behavioral therapy and teaching them to deal with their ADHD aren't doing anything to help them.

Generation_D: Looking forward to the eventual crippling civil suits against the drug companies by the grown up kids who had ADHD medicine given them as kids, who now are grown up and can't function without it.


If only things were that simple.
 
2013-03-17 09:48:12 AM  
My brother's elementary school held my brother's education for ransom. Either my mother gave him medication (the teacher diagnosed him with ADD). My mother never had any issues with my brother and felt his behavior was quite normal. But she was a single parent, working as an aid at the nursing home for 2.25 an hour, taking care of her disabled father, raising three kids, and going to college. She had very little options.

So she went to the doctor and medicated him during the school year. She skipped it during summer. When he reached middle school - she skipped it entirely and no one was the wiser.

My brother didn't have ADD and as an adult he doesn't have ADHD. My brother was just defiant and wanted an explanation for things before he participated. He failed kindergarten for refusing to sit on the rug during story time m
 
2013-03-17 10:58:25 AM  
Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.
 
2013-03-17 11:03:07 AM  
Why are we changing people to fit society, shouldn't we build things around how people actually are???
 
2013-03-17 11:05:19 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.


Any parent that sends a difficult child to a public school should receive the same treatment right?
 
2013-03-17 11:07:05 AM  
we'll give the kid methamphetamine
that'll CLEAR THINGS UP!
 
2013-03-17 11:10:00 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.


I'd add to this that every diagnosis of A**D should be signed by two doctors and come with a legal affidavit stating that the doctors in question legally swear that they have no direct ties to any drug companies, nor are they under any form of influence to prescribe medications to children be it coercion from drug companies or recommendations for specific drugs or conditions from supervisors, and that they willingly agree to the suspension of their license to practise medicine of any kind if it is proven that any of the above statements are incorrect.

/Decertify the psychiatric profession!
//Okay, okay, okay, that's unfair. But there really does need to be a major shift in how medicine is prescribed and used in North America, if only to get the costs of medicine down to a sustainable level.
 
2013-03-17 11:14:27 AM  
"Hi, I'm a young kid who sits in a chair in a classroom all day, and then when I get home, I sit in front of the television or the computer as lots of flashy images fly by.  I have trouble paying attention."

That's not a disorder.  That's the obvious outcome of a lifestyle that - both at school and at home - is unnatural and unhealthy.

Kids need lots of recess and time running around discovering things like what a rolly-polly tastes like.
 
2013-03-17 11:17:49 AM  
You guys read the article, right?  It's not about the dangers of prescribing meds to kids with ADHD, ADD, etc. It's about prescribing those and other drugs to students without those disorders as "study drugs".

/please adjust your rants accordingly
 
2013-03-17 11:24:12 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.


On the other hand, if our son's teachers had actually said the A-word, we would have gotten to his problems a lot faster. They just kept saying he was having difficulties in school and making terribly unhelpful faces at us. I think they were really terrified of what you just said.
 
2013-03-17 11:33:23 AM  

Bontesla: My brother's elementary school held my brother's education for ransom. Either my mother gave him medication (the teacher diagnosed him with ADD). My mother never had any issues with my brother and felt his behavior was quite normal. But she was a single parent, working as an aid at the nursing home for 2.25 an hour, taking care of her disabled father, raising three kids, and going to college. She had very little options.

So she went to the doctor and medicated him during the school year. She skipped it during summer. When he reached middle school - she skipped it entirely and no one was the wiser.

My brother didn't have ADD and as an adult he doesn't have ADHD. My brother was just defiant and wanted an explanation for things before he participated. He failed kindergarten for refusing to sit on the rug during story time m


Are you my brother?

Avoided the forced drugging.
 
2013-03-17 11:33:42 AM  
That article seems to be saying something different than the headline-the article seemed to be asserting that perscribing ADHD drugs for non-ADHD people was a bad idea.

That said, I do think it IS both over (and under) diagnosed, and think most diagnosis should be at *least* as thorough as the one I got when I was a kid: Multi-week, double-blind test. I took a pill from a labeled bottle (A through Z, I think?), and rated how I did during the day, and how I felt felt during the day (mentally, etc), as did my teacher and parents. Some bottles contained varying doses of ritalin. Some bottles contained placebos.

'Course, I also know the diagnosis was right, because... whatever it is in our family, it's genetic. (Me, my brother, my mother, the ENTIRE SIDE of my mother's family...)
 
2013-03-17 11:47:18 AM  

Techhell: ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.

I'd add to this that every diagnosis of A**D should be signed by two doctors and come with a legal affidavit stating that the doctors in question legally swear that they have no direct ties to any drug companies, nor are they under any form of influence to prescribe medications to children be it coercion from drug companies or recommendations for specific drugs or conditions from supervisors, and that they willingly agree to the suspension of their license to practise medicine of any kind if it is proven that any of the above statements are incorrect.

/Decertify the psychiatric profession!
//Okay, okay, okay, that's unfair. But there really does need to be a major shift in how medicine is prescribed and used in North America, if only to get the costs of medicine down to a sustainable level.


Fun Facts:

MAOI's are no more effective at treating depression than SSRI's like Prozac.

Yet before we invented SSRI's there was a massively lower rate of prescription. MAOI's are cardiotoxic so doctors were very careful about prescribing them. SSRI's are not so they hurl them at patients freely.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:51 AM  
Farking report is 20 farking years too farking late.  We spent well into 2 farking decades of pushing these zombifying drugs into kids because their douchebag parents didn't want to deal with them and be actual farking parents.

I loathed the way Ritalin made me feel, and how I'm still dealing with issues that didn't start until after I was taking it at the maximum farking dose and it still wasn't 'producing satisfactory results'.

No wonder we have a generation of functionally/developmentally retarded adults, we drugged away their goddamn childhood and postponed it to early adulthood, and now they lack skillsets we should have as adults, because they were supposed to develop in childhood.  But no, we chose to doom them to failure, and jeopardize ourselves by creating the first steps towards Idiocracy,all for the peace of mind on a generation or two of parents who were willingly duped by doctors paid to shill out these bullshiat drugs that farked up these kids' developing brains.
 
2013-03-17 12:00:46 PM  

Aidan: ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.

On the other hand, if our son's teachers had actually said the A-word, we would have gotten to his problems a lot faster. They just kept saying he was having difficulties in school and making terribly unhelpful faces at us. I think they were really terrified of what you just said.


You mean that you, the person that spends far more time with your child than the/a teacher does did not see that something was wrong with your child?

You as the parent are most responsible for determining the physical and mental health of your child.
 
2013-03-17 12:03:27 PM  

hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again?


To make the little farkers shut the fark up and sit the fark down so parents can get one goddamn minute of peace and quiet for a change and I never wanted you anyway you little shiat why can't you SHUT UP for ONE GODDAMN SECOND JESUS farkING CHRIST WHERE'S THE JACK DANIELS?
 
2013-03-17 12:04:33 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Why are we changing people to fit society, shouldn't we build things around how people actually are???


no. that's not the way things work and you know it.
 
2013-03-17 12:16:42 PM  

Tigger: Techhell: ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.

I'd add to this that every diagnosis of A**D should be signed by two doctors and come with a legal affidavit stating that the doctors in question legally swear that they have no direct ties to any drug companies, nor are they under any form of influence to prescribe medications to children be it coercion from drug companies or recommendations for specific drugs or conditions from supervisors, and that they willingly agree to the suspension of their license to practise medicine of any kind if it is proven that any of the above statements are incorrect.

/Decertify the psychiatric profession!
//Okay, okay, okay, that's unfair. But there really does need to be a major shift in how medicine is prescribed and used in North America, if only to get the costs of medicine down to a sustainable level.

Fun Facts:

MAOI's are no more effective at treating depression than SSRI's like Prozac.

Yet before we invented SSRI's there was a massively lower rate of prescription. MAOI's are cardiotoxic so doctors were very careful about prescribing them. SSRI's are not so they hurl them at patients freely.


As a runner with seasonal affect disorder, I am actually really greatful for cheap SSRI's.
 
2013-03-17 12:24:07 PM  

Generation_D: Looking forward to the eventual crippling civil suits against the drug companies by the grown up kids who had ADHD medicine given them as kids, who now are grown up and can't function without it.


Those people NEED Focalin XR by Novartis, because it is vital to support and maintain healthy brain chemistry!

Why don't you just tell Type I diabetics to stop their insulin and eat healthier, Mr. "100% pharma-free and all-natural?"

Why don't you sue the entire telecom/internet industry, because now you're grown up and can't function in modern society without some form of electronic communication?

/trolling
 
2013-03-17 12:24:22 PM  

mrlewish: Aidan: ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.

On the other hand, if our son's teachers had actually said the A-word, we would have gotten to his problems a lot faster. They just kept saying he was having difficulties in school and making terribly unhelpful faces at us. I think they were really terrified of what you just said.

You mean that you, the person that spends far more time with your child than the/a teacher does did not see that something was wrong with your child?

You as the parent are most responsible for determining the physical and mental health of your child.


Why would I have in-a-million-years suspected ADD? I assumed it was totally overdiagnosed, and that most kids who had it were probably just fed too much sugar and left in front of the TV. And my kid wasn't hyper. He just wouldn't listen to anyone and had speech problems. *shrug* Such is life.
 
2013-03-17 12:26:32 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Any teacher who tries to diagnose a psychiatric condition should be fired. Administrators should be tarred and feathered for it.


Agreed.  However, teachers can see when a child is struggling and needs help -- either through learned coping strategies or medication.  When you have a class of 20 kids, you can't spend all your time on one or two "problem children" at the expense of the others.  When a teacher suggests that the child see a psychologist, they're not being lazy, they're trying to help.
 
2013-03-17 12:30:36 PM  

Shocktopus: hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again?

To make the little farkers shut the fark up and sit the fark down so parents can get one goddamn minute of peace and quiet for a change and I never wanted you anyway you little shiat why can't you SHUT UP for ONE GODDAMN SECOND JESUS farkING CHRIST WHERE'S THE JACK DANIELS?


THIS.

Every single parent with a child who takes ADHD medication is a selfish, abusive, lazy piece of shiat who is simply trying to tranquilize their unwanted children.

Either that, or they are gullible sheeple who blindly shovel toxic medication into the gullets of their children merely because schools and doctors tell them to.

ADHD is a fictitious condition invented by attention whore, just like food allergies, and there is absolutely zero evidence that any children have ever benefited from taking psychotropic medication, ever.

I know, because I have never personally experienced this ADHD you speak of and therefore it does not exist.  My personal experience is further bolstered by affirmation from anonymous posters on the Internet.

And my children are flawless snowflakes thanks to my perfect parenting skills.

Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.
 
2013-03-17 01:02:40 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Shocktopus: hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again?

To make the little farkers shut the fark up and sit the fark down so parents can get one goddamn minute of peace and quiet for a change and I never wanted you anyway you little shiat why can't you SHUT UP for ONE GODDAMN SECOND JESUS farkING CHRIST WHERE'S THE JACK DANIELS?

THIS.

Every single parent with a child who takes ADHD medication is a selfish, abusive, lazy piece of shiat who is simply trying to tranquilize their unwanted children.

Either that, or they are gullible sheeple who blindly shovel toxic medication into the gullets of their children merely because schools and doctors tell them to.

ADHD is a fictitious condition invented by attention whore, just like food allergies, and there is absolutely zero evidence that any children have ever benefited from taking psychotropic medication, ever.

I know, because I have never personally experienced this ADHD you speak of and therefore it does not exist.  My personal experience is further bolstered by affirmation from anonymous posters on the Internet.

And my children are flawless snowflakes thanks to my perfect parenting skills.

Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.




Hyperbole and sarcasm, in my vagina? Where will I fit the centipedes?
 
2013-03-17 01:05:04 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Parthenogenetic: Shocktopus: hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again?

To make the little farkers shut the fark up and sit the fark down so parents can get one goddamn minute of peace and quiet for a change and I never wanted you anyway you little shiat why can't you SHUT UP for ONE GODDAMN SECOND JESUS farkING CHRIST WHERE'S THE JACK DANIELS?

THIS.

Every single parent with a child who takes ADHD medication is a selfish, abusive, lazy piece of shiat who is simply trying to tranquilize their unwanted children.

Either that, or they are gullible sheeple who blindly shovel toxic medication into the gullets of their children merely because schools and doctors tell them to.

ADHD is a fictitious condition invented by attention whore, just like food allergies, and there is absolutely zero evidence that any children have ever benefited from taking psychotropic medication, ever.

I know, because I have never personally experienced this ADHD you speak of and therefore it does not exist.  My personal experience is further bolstered by affirmation from anonymous posters on the Internet.

And my children are flawless snowflakes thanks to my perfect parenting skills.

Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.

Hyperbole and sarcasm, in my vagina? Where will I fit the centipedes?



Politics tab-style trolling?  In my Geek tab?  It's more likely than you think.

Yeah, you're right.  I probably shouldn't have turned it up to 11.
 
2013-03-17 01:08:26 PM  

Parthenogenetic: StoPPeRmobile: Parthenogenetic: Shocktopus: hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again?

To make the little farkers shut the fark up and sit the fark down so parents can get one goddamn minute of peace and quiet for a change and I never wanted you anyway you little shiat why can't you SHUT UP for ONE GODDAMN SECOND JESUS farkING CHRIST WHERE'S THE JACK DANIELS?

THIS.

Every single parent with a child who takes ADHD medication is a selfish, abusive, lazy piece of shiat who is simply trying to tranquilize their unwanted children.

Either that, or they are gullible sheeple who blindly shovel toxic medication into the gullets of their children merely because schools and doctors tell them to.

ADHD is a fictitious condition invented by attention whore, just like food allergies, and there is absolutely zero evidence that any children have ever benefited from taking psychotropic medication, ever.

I know, because I have never personally experienced this ADHD you speak of and therefore it does not exist.  My personal experience is further bolstered by affirmation from anonymous posters on the Internet.

And my children are flawless snowflakes thanks to my perfect parenting skills.

Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.

Hyperbole and sarcasm, in my vagina? Where will I fit the centipedes?


Politics tab-style trolling?  In my Geek tab?  It's more likely than you think.

Yeah, you're right.  I probably shouldn't have turned it up to 11.


It was allllmoooost too subtle at first. I felt myself getting a bit angried up.

/I do not like it when people insult my parents, what can I say.
 
2013-03-17 01:13:21 PM  

Saberus Terras: Farking report is 20 farking years too farking late.  We spent well into 2 farking decades of pushing these zombifying drugs into kids because their douchebag parents didn't want to deal with them and be actual farking parents.

I loathed the way Ritalin made me feel, and how I'm still dealing with issues that didn't start until after I was taking it at the maximum farking dose and it still wasn't 'producing satisfactory results'.

No wonder we have a generation of functionally/developmentally retarded adults, we drugged away their goddamn childhood and postponed it to early adulthood, and now they lack skillsets we should have as adults, because they were supposed to develop in childhood.  But no, we chose to doom them to failure, and jeopardize ourselves by creating the first steps towards Idiocracy,all for the peace of mind on a generation or two of parents who were willingly duped by doctors paid to shill out these bullshiat drugs that farked up these kids' developing brains.


THIS. I want the years back that know feel like a dull blur to me that corresponded with the administration of Ritalin. I'm definitely not the "grown-up" I should be by now due to this style of childhood. Hell, in my case Ritalin gave me a seizure which  busted up my shoulder so much it's needed two different surgeries and has dislocated a dozen times. Even though that's an extreme case, I've been wondering the question in TFA for years, and wish the medical world had been for much longer than I have.
 
2013-03-17 01:16:05 PM  
Funniest joke on King of the Hill ever:

profile.ak.fbcdn.net
"There are 96 ridges on every checker.... except this one."
 
2013-03-17 01:23:44 PM  
Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.

I kinda wish my parents had tried medication sooner.  As an adult, I'm trying every ADHD drug on the market and my parents insist they're all poison and that I'm killing myself.  My problem is not that they're poison, it's that nothing works.
 
2013-03-17 01:25:31 PM  

bifford: Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.

I kinda wish my parents had tried medication sooner.  As an adult, I'm trying every ADHD drug on the market and my parents insist they're all poison and that I'm killing myself.  My problem is not that they're poison, it's that nothing works.


Serious question: have you tried cannabis? Caffeine also can help.
 
2013-03-17 01:28:14 PM  
My oldest brother was prescribed Ritalin in 3rd grade for about 6 weeks. Little did we know(this was 30ish years ago, so no we couldn't consult the interweb lol),  if a person has Tourettes syndrom that ritalin can make it much worse. None of the doctors or our family even knew he had it until they put him on that garbage.

Thankfully, MOST of his symptoms got better after they doc saw what was happening and yanked him off the meds but he still has the facial and body tics to this day, plus he squeels randomly. Thanks Pharmaceuticals!

//could be worse, he could have it like that poor girl from the MTV documentary. Hes closer on the scale to "Twitch" that BMX rider.
 
2013-03-17 01:28:51 PM  
or you can just give the kid a joint
 
2013-03-17 01:37:33 PM  

sweatybronson: "Hi, I'm a young kid who sits in a chair in a classroom all day, and then when I get home, I sit in front of the television or the computer as lots of flashy images fly by.  I have trouble paying attention."

That's not a disorder.  That's the obvious outcome of a lifestyle that - both at school and at home - is unnatural and unhealthy.

Kids need lots of recess and time running around discovering things like what a rolly-polly tastes like.


www.thislosangeles.com
 
2013-03-17 01:40:58 PM  
We are so primitive when it comes to mental diagnosis and treatment.  We might as well be a big group of monkeys, smashing our heads with sticks.  Why?

We were cutting out pieces of people's brains and calling it a miracle of science only 60 years ago.

But 60 years ago is far far away, right?  Not really.  Lobotomies were eventually replaced with drugs, but we haven't really learned much since then.  There hasn't been a medical "breakthrough" in mental health since we started using drugs.  Sure, we improved on the drugs, but most of that has been done by trial and error, not by completely understanding why they work.  We still rely people describing the condition to indicate how they should be treated, instead of knowing how the chemicals in their brain are misfiring.  It introduces a massive bias problem with how people are treated.
 
2013-03-17 01:43:13 PM  

booksmrt: You guys read the article, right?  It's not about the dangers of prescribing meds to kids with ADHD, ADD, etc. It's about prescribing those and other drugs to students without those disorders as "study drugs".

/please adjust your rants accordingly


Do not attempt to adjust your rants.  We are now in control.  We control the herp, and the derp.
 
2013-03-17 02:00:59 PM  
For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.
 
2013-03-17 02:02:20 PM  

Felgraf: Parthenogenetic: StoPPeRmobile: Parthenogenetic: Shocktopus: hardinparamedic: Why, again, are we letting family doctors, nurse practitioners and pediatricians without ANY formal psychiatric training prescribe ADHD and neuroaffective medications, again?

To make the little farkers shut the fark up and sit the fark down so parents can get one goddamn minute of peace and quiet for a change and I never wanted you anyway you little shiat why can't you SHUT UP for ONE GODDAMN SECOND JESUS farkING CHRIST WHERE'S THE JACK DANIELS?

THIS.

Every single parent with a child who takes ADHD medication is a selfish, abusive, lazy piece of shiat who is simply trying to tranquilize their unwanted children.

Either that, or they are gullible sheeple who blindly shovel toxic medication into the gullets of their children merely because schools and doctors tell them to.

ADHD is a fictitious condition invented by attention whore, just like food allergies, and there is absolutely zero evidence that any children have ever benefited from taking psychotropic medication, ever.

I know, because I have never personally experienced this ADHD you speak of and therefore it does not exist.  My personal experience is further bolstered by affirmation from anonymous posters on the Internet.

And my children are flawless snowflakes thanks to my perfect parenting skills.

Disagree?  You are a failure as a human being and a parent.  Sucks to be you.

Hyperbole and sarcasm, in my vagina? Where will I fit the centipedes?


Politics tab-style trolling?  In my Geek tab?  It's more likely than you think.

Yeah, you're right.  I probably shouldn't have turned it up to 11.

It was allllmoooost too subtle at first. I felt myself getting a bit angried up.

/I do not like it when people insult my parents, what can I say.


I'm working on it?
 
2013-03-17 02:11:11 PM  

studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.


I dont doubt that, but what we that grew up free range before the era of rampant child brain medication are still stuck not understanding is how you can go from ADHD being a 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10,000 in 1980, but a 1 in 10 or a 1 in 5 by 2000.

Are you all just that much damaged, or perhaps just maybe they over-prescribed ?

It makes zero sense to people who didn't grow up on brain meds to consider that up to maybe what, 20%, 30% of the young adults now are on them, or were on them as kids.
 
2013-03-17 02:13:42 PM  

Generation_D: studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.

I dont doubt that, but what we that grew up free range before the era of rampant child brain medication are still stuck not understanding is how you can go from ADHD being a 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10,000 in 1980, but a 1 in 10 or a 1 in 5 by 2000.

Are you all just that much damaged, or perhaps just maybe they over-prescribed ?

It makes zero sense to people who didn't grow up on brain meds to consider that up to maybe what, 20%, 30% of the young adults now are on them, or were on them as kids.


At the same time as TV dominating childhood, precious little snowflakes not playing outside in the dangerous suburbs, and the everybody-must-go-to-college era.
 
2013-03-17 02:32:33 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Generation_D: studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.

I dont doubt that, but what we that grew up free range before the era of rampant child brain medication are still stuck not understanding is how you can go from ADHD being a 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10,000 in 1980, but a 1 in 10 or a 1 in 5 by 2000.

Are you all just that much damaged, or perhaps just maybe they over-prescribed ?

It makes zero sense to people who didn't grow up on brain meds to consider that up to maybe what, 20%, 30% of the young adults now are on them, or were on them as kids.

At the same time as TV dominating childhood, precious little snowflakes not playing outside in the dangerous suburbs, and the everybody-must-go-to-college era.


Um, my youth had dozens of hours of TV a week, we had the beginnings of computers and the internet and many computer games and arcade game hours.

Try harder, the fault wasnt the kids then, the fault was the parents and schools of the kids that started all being put on brain meds 10 yrs later for stuff that used to be considered normal, like talking out in class. Used to get you a time out or a smack on the hand. Now it gets you a lifetime sentence of ADHD meds.

Our parents still knew more or less you don't medicate a kid for years because they have a bad attitude for math class.
 
2013-03-17 02:35:44 PM  

Generation_D: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Generation_D: studebaker hoch: For people that actually have ADHD, it's a crippling condition.  If you don't have it, you can't know.

If you're lucky, the meds help you.

I dont doubt that, but what we that grew up free range before the era of rampant child brain medication are still stuck not understanding is how you can go from ADHD being a 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10,000 in 1980, but a 1 in 10 or a 1 in 5 by 2000.

Are you all just that much damaged, or perhaps just maybe they over-prescribed ?

It makes zero sense to people who didn't grow up on brain meds to consider that up to maybe what, 20%, 30% of the young adults now are on them, or were on them as kids.

At the same time as TV dominating childhood, precious little snowflakes not playing outside in the dangerous suburbs, and the everybody-must-go-to-college era.

Um, my youth had dozens of hours of TV a week, we had the beginnings of computers and the internet and many computer games and arcade game hours.

Try harder, the fault wasnt the kids then, the fault was the parents and schools of the kids that started all being put on brain meds 10 yrs later for stuff that used to be considered normal, like talking out in class. Used to get you a time out or a smack on the hand. Now it gets you a lifetime sentence of ADHD meds.

Our parents still knew more or less you don't medicate a kid for years because they have a bad attitude for math class.


I'm not sure hich generation you associate yourself with (apt fro the name), but as a 90's kid, I can say there's a confluence of factors in how we were brought up, and psyh/ADHD meds were a big, big factor.
 
2013-03-17 02:54:47 PM  

bifford: As an adult, I'm trying every ADHD drug on the market and my parents insist they're all poison and that I'm killing myself.



Bupropion (Generic Wellbutrin) works for me.
 
2013-03-17 02:55:12 PM  
You ever see those old-timey ads for heroin? Ones that recommend it for teething babies and stomach aces? The ones that make you say " Jesus Christ, can you believe they used to give HEROIN to children!! What the hell was wrong with them?" i have a feeling people will be saying the same thing about our use of prescription drugs 100 years from. now. "Jesus Christ, can you believe doctors were giving millions of children AMPHETAMINES(adderall)!! What the hell was wrong with them?"
 
2013-03-17 02:56:28 PM  
But it's still ok for pregnant women to be on anti-depressants, while the brain of their child is forming.
 
2013-03-17 03:08:22 PM  
ADHD symptoms do have their purposes, but very few of them apply to modern life.  We have the genes of the people who kept the rest of the tribe safe.  We were aware of every sound and twitch of movement.  When the shiat hit the fan, our attention was hyper-focused.  Our brains are just not made for sitting down and being quiet.

I was on Ritalin for a year in high school, then I stopped taking it for some reason or another.  I went back on it last year and the only regret I have is that if I'm not taking it, my focus is just gone.
 
2013-03-17 03:20:17 PM  

LograyX: ADHD symptoms do have their purposes, but very few of them apply to modern life.  We have the genes of the people who kept the rest of the tribe safe.  We were aware of every sound and twitch of movement.  When the shiat hit the fan, our attention was hyper-focused.  Our brains are just not made for sitting down and being quiet.

I was on Ritalin for a year in high school, then I stopped taking it for some reason or another.  I went back on it last year and the only regret I have is that if I'm not taking it, my focus is just gone.




Hey, I haven't used that argument in a long time.

Who that guys that pushes the "hunter gather" side of ADHD? NM here it is.
ecx.images-amazon.com

I like the work in AI that models based on ADHD skill-learning rewards.
 
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