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2013-03-17 07:13:23 AM
Oh they're part of TSA?  Did they find the bottle of water they were looking for?

I do like the guy talking about how safe he feels knowing big government is out there tracking people who engage in certain medical treatments.
 
2013-03-17 08:45:11 AM
First time I ever saw "elite" and TSA in the same sentence.
 
2013-03-17 08:51:28 AM
Are they coming to vipe the vindows?
 
2013-03-17 09:37:20 AM
Nuclear stress test? Sure! Likely story!

He's the bomb!
 
2013-03-17 09:50:59 AM
Elite TSA eh?  So these are the ones that actually graduated high school then?

/still, having unobtrusive detectors for radiation and only get in the public's face when they want to know why one was tripped?  That's doing it right.
//unless this was one of those drill situation where they were pre-warned that guy was on the train and they had to find him, that's just sheer bullshiat then.
 
2013-03-17 09:51:19 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-17 09:53:28 AM
Ive had these tests done, twice.
I travelled 3 days later through Canada, US and China.

Carried the cards (I got one when I went for the morning the other when I went for the follow up that night)

Nobody detected SQUAT
 
2013-03-17 09:53:38 AM
I thought they were VIPR.

They have pulled over motorists who are radioactive.

Supposedly they busted a 'dentist' locally because she was using an X-ray machine in her apartment and it triggered a detector in a cop
car.
 
2013-03-17 09:53:59 AM
This is surreal.  It's like The Last Starfighter, but in real life!

Well, in The Last Starfighter they used video games to recruit the most skilled warriors in the galaxy, and the TSA used pizza boxes.  It's too similar to be regarded as coincidence.
 
2013-03-17 09:55:12 AM
The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
ec.europa.eu
 
2013-03-17 09:55:34 AM
Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!
 
2013-03-17 09:55:43 AM
And now everyone in the world knows how to wear them out with false readings.
 
2013-03-17 09:56:57 AM

serial_crusher: Oh they're part of TSA?  Did they find the bottle of water they were looking for?

I do like the guy talking about how safe he feels knowing big government is out there tracking people who engage in certain medical treatments.


talking?
shilling.
 
2013-03-17 09:57:42 AM
Are they from DC or Marvel?
 
2013-03-17 09:57:44 AM
TSA TSA TSA
 
2013-03-17 09:59:37 AM
Elite my ass. They deal with trains, cars, ferries and trucks as opposed to airplanes. Another case of someone not doing research before going to press.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_Intermodal_Prevention_and_Respo ns e_team

And yes, I have heard of them, seen them, and dealt with them.
 
2013-03-17 10:01:21 AM
Well look at it this way.. If they were police officers in charge of the same security that poor guy would have been dragged off the train, tasered, tuned up and thrown in jail for a week.
 
2013-03-17 10:01:23 AM
TSA?

VIPR - Violently Ignoring People's Rights?
 
2013-03-17 10:02:03 AM
You'll know about them when they develop the cocaine detector that finds a nanogram at 100 yds.  Any one carrying currency will be detained and searched.   Same with maryjane.   Just because you can detect something doesn't mean you need to jump the shark.

There used to be a test for Typhoid, TB, Tetnus (something with a T) that could tell whether you walked on the same floor as a patient with that disease.

It would be nice to see the same resources used for disease detection instead of reruns of the plot of Sourcecode.
 
2013-03-17 10:02:33 AM

Close2TheEdge: TSA?

VIPR - Violently Ignoring People's Rights?


Visible Islamist Profiling Racists
 
2013-03-17 10:03:53 AM
"Elite TSA" must be at around the same level as "Remedial Special Ed Students"
 
2013-03-17 10:07:20 AM
this happened in Florida a few years ago.... apparently these teams also roam the freeway and a lady got pulled over. same deal, she had some medical test she was on her way home from and it was enough to set off their little sniffer. which makes me wonder why we don't hear about these things more often....
 
2013-03-17 10:09:30 AM
So does that mean that these ones will shiat in your bags as well?
 
2013-03-17 10:09:55 AM

Nefarious: Are they coming to vipe the vindows?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-17 10:09:55 AM

Nefarious: Are they coming to vipe the vindows?


It's been around 25 years since I saw that episode and I immediately knew the reference.
 
2013-03-17 10:11:47 AM
I once did a baseline safety analysis of a Viper team in a fairly large city down in Florida.   Got to ride around with the guys, see where they set up, and what kind of unique dangers they were exposed to when doing their job.

One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.
 
2013-03-17 10:12:18 AM

DrBrownCow: Nefarious: Are they coming to vipe the vindows?

It's been around 25 years since I saw that episode and I immediately knew the reference.


Same here. I actually went to the comments to post that and it was already here.
 
2013-03-17 10:13:38 AM

Girion47: I once did a baseline safety analysis of a Viper team in a fairly large city down in Florida.   Got to ride around with the guys, see where they set up, and what kind of unique dangers they were exposed to when doing their job.

One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.


chilling oration, brother.
 
2013-03-17 10:17:31 AM
What if a ton of people all bought some uranium and carried around major cities in their pockets? For the lulz?
 
2013-03-17 10:18:46 AM
Girion47:

One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass-stories about what happened on his boat.

/fixed
 
2013-03-17 10:18:48 AM
My CSB VIPR Story:
During the 2012 Detroit Auto Show the TSA showed up en masse to secure the People Mover, a raised tram system in Detroit.  As I was standing on the Greektown platform a wild VIPR Team appeared.  This team was two guys decked out like they went to the SOCOM gear store and said "two of everything please".  Of course the impact of all their visible tan body armor was somewhat lessened by the fact the body armor was sized to fit around beer guts.  Plus a somewhat clueless looking woman with a golden retriever.  As they walked out and down the platform one of the men growled at me "Please step back sir, the dog needs room to operate."  The dog however smelled the takeout pizza box I had in my hand lunged at the box.  I was pondering making a comment about the dog needing remedial training, but figured it wasn't worth pissing off the power tripping douchebags.  However by this time a pair of Detroit Police officers had arrived to see what was going on and they demanded the VIPR Team get off the platform and take that "damn dog" with them.

All three TSA clowns were so busy arguing with the Detroit Police they totally lost track of the dog.  They're yelling about being federal agents while ignoring the fact I'm now scratching their lab behind the ears and feeding him a breadstick (poor guy deserved it, he has to work with the TSA all day).  Just I got on the People Mover two more Detroit Police officers showed up and announced that the TSA agents had one minute to get off the platform or they'd be under arrest.

/the poor dog tried to get on the People Mover with me
//actually caused his handler to fall on her ass because he lunged to follow me (and the food) onto the train and pulled her down
/I hope sequestration gutted their budget
 
2013-03-17 10:22:15 AM
VIPR teams are in no way connected with DOE Police, NEST, or the FBI, are they?

I genuinely thought these guys were just regular beat cops who were actually commissioned rather than just being overpaid government rent-a-cops.
 
2013-03-17 10:23:29 AM

edmo: First time I ever saw "elite" and TSA in the same sentence.


You can't spell "Elite TSA" without "Easel Tit."

/Or "Stale Tie."
 
2013-03-17 10:23:30 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]


It's an acronym.  The more you know!
 
2013-03-17 10:24:48 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: this happened in Florida a few years ago.... apparently these teams also roam the freeway and a lady got pulled over. same deal, she had some medical test she was on her way home from and it was enough to set off their little sniffer. which makes me wonder why we don't hear about these things more often....


The woman who recorded this on her cell phone is a photojournalist for the news station, and this happened in front of quite a few people. If citizens are being pulled over or otherwise investigated by this team and there are either no other people or only a few other people around, then it'd make sense that it wouldn't be widely reported.

Personally, I don't find this means particular means of security to be a bad thing. As BumpInTheNight said, it is unobtrusive, which I'd think some people would prefer.
 
2013-03-17 10:25:18 AM

Girion47: One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.


As a former bubblehead, I'm acutely curious of these stories, please elaborate so as that we may judge his authenticity.
 
2013-03-17 10:25:18 AM

Nefarious: Are they coming to vipe the vindows?


I love you! Put a baby in me.
 
2013-03-17 10:26:37 AM

edmo: First time I ever saw "elite" and TSA in the same sentence.


Composed exclusively of TSA employees who have graduated High School. Sort of reminds me of those Barry Sadler lyrics: "One hundred men will test today, but only three win the green beret...."
 
2013-03-17 10:26:48 AM

ha-ha-guy: My CSB VIPR Story:
During the 2012 Detroit Auto Show the TSA showed up en masse to secure the People Mover, a raised tram system in Detroit.  As I was standing on the Greektown platform a wild VIPR Team appeared.  This team was two guys decked out like they went to the SOCOM gear store and said "two of everything please".  Of course the impact of all their visible tan body armor was somewhat lessened by the fact the body armor was sized to fit around beer guts.  Plus a somewhat clueless looking woman with a golden retriever.  As they walked out and down the platform one of the men growled at me "Please step back sir, the dog needs room to operate."  The dog however smelled the takeout pizza box I had in my hand lunged at the box.  I was pondering making a comment about the dog needing remedial training, but figured it wasn't worth pissing off the power tripping douchebags.  However by this time a pair of Detroit Police officers had arrived to see what was going on and they demanded the VIPR Team get off the platform and take that "damn dog" with them.

All three TSA clowns were so busy arguing with the Detroit Police they totally lost track of the dog.  They're yelling about being federal agents while ignoring the fact I'm now scratching their lab behind the ears and feeding him a breadstick (poor guy deserved it, he has to work with the TSA all day).  Just I got on the People Mover two more Detroit Police officers showed up and announced that the TSA agents had one minute to get off the platform or they'd be under arrest.

/the poor dog tried to get on the People Mover with me
//actually caused his handler to fall on her ass because he lunged to follow me (and the food) onto the train and pulled her down
/I hope sequestration gutted their budget


Amtrak told them to get the fark off their platforms too a few years back. It's why Amtrak still recommends you bypass the station and go around the outside to the platform. Inside the station, you are subject to VIPR searches if VIPR is present, but Amtrak still doesn't allow VIPR on their platforms. IIRC, it was the compromise they came up with to shiat the government the fark up.
 
2013-03-17 10:30:08 AM

doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!


Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.
 
2013-03-17 10:30:45 AM

MFAWG: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

It's an acronym.  The more you know!


So is VIPR and USA PATRIOT. God help us when the U.S.A. F.R.E.E.D.O.M. F.O.R.E.V.E.R. P.R.O.T.E.C.T.I.N.G. L.I.B.E.R.T.Y. G.O.D. B.L.E.S.S. A.M.E.R.I.C.A. N.I.N.E. E.L.E.V.E.N. N.E.V.E.R. A.G.A.I.N. Unit is announced.
 
2013-03-17 10:31:14 AM

ha-ha-guy: My CSB VIPR Story:
/the poor dog tried to get on the People Mover with me
//actually caused his handler to fall on her ass because he lunged to follow me (and the food) onto the train and pulled her down
/I hope sequestration gutted their budget


it didn't only hippie socialist programs like education and food inspections get gutted,  we need to keep the TSA funded because of "terrorists"
 
2013-03-17 10:32:34 AM

styckx: Well look at it this way.. If they were police officers in charge of the same security that poor guy would have been dragged off the train, tasered, tuned up and thrown in jail for a week.


THIS^^^

/is pretty impressed
//except they got the wrong guy
/// and the 'right' guy had to raise his hand and basically say 'it's me'
 
2013-03-17 10:34:59 AM
Wow. I walk through the woods with a counter and pick up radiation. Then again, these hills are made of uranium, so there's that.
 
2013-03-17 10:36:03 AM
Come for the story of the TSA yet again doing nothing important, stay for the derp in the comment section.  I had no idea there were so many Sandy Hook deniers out there.  Clearly it is a conspiracy since the police didn't feel like releasing pictures of shot up school children to the media... really it was all just to take people's guns away.  FFS.
 
2013-03-17 10:37:16 AM

Aigoo: but Amtrak still doesn't allow VIPR on their platforms. IIRC, it was the compromise they came up with to shiat the government the fark up.


The Weastborough Baptits of our "Elite" federal government.
 
2013-03-17 10:37:36 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
.
 
2013-03-17 10:40:07 AM

RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.


Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?
 
2013-03-17 10:40:32 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: edmo: First time I ever saw "elite" and TSA in the same sentence.

Composed exclusively of TSA employees who have graduated High School. Sort of reminds me of those Barry Sadler lyrics: "One hundred men will test today, but only three win the green beret...."


Keeping scissors from the sky
Pawing girls who want to die
Shoes will kill you all one day
The brave men of the TSA.
 
2013-03-17 10:41:25 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]


Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.
 
2013-03-17 10:46:03 AM
They're not elite or top secret, subby. Nice way to buy a green though.
 
2013-03-17 10:46:39 AM

Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.


Don't you meal hand to flipper? aCtually, I"m the dumbass who'd be all OHtheryresoooooooCUUUTE! and get my face bit off trying to pet them.
 
2013-03-17 10:47:00 AM

Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.


Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.
 
2013-03-17 10:48:06 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]


No, they're named after:

Sea
travelinginmyworld.files.wordpress.com

Air
morganbeebe.files.wordpress.com

Land
entropy2.com
 
2013-03-17 10:49:03 AM

MFAWG: RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?


Exactly.
 
2013-03-17 10:50:15 AM

rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.


I did, but when he ventured off into Kaluza-Klein manifolds he kind of lost me.
 
2013-03-17 10:50:47 AM
I think they are actually part of DHS (Dept of homeland security) directly, and not TSA (a sub of DHS). I passed one of their buses the other day, plain white, serial number on the side, license plate US GOV DHS.
 
2013-03-17 10:55:32 AM

rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.


Pretty sure SEALs aren't meatheads. If you're an idiot: you don't make the cut.
 
2013-03-17 10:55:39 AM

rohar: Girion47: One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.

As a former bubblehead, I'm acutely curious of these stories, please elaborate so as that we may judge his authenticity.


One of the many I can remember:

Sub was docked at one of those places in Southern VA.  This sub had been opened for public tours, the crew had marked the floors to show where the tourists could step, and where they couldn't(yellow zone would get you ejected, red being immediate arrest).   Apparently a high school group came through, and one kid being a smartass walked into a "red" zone and tried to push a button.   Apparently because of protocol they had to strip search the kid and turn him over to the NSA, the guy told me that the kid actually got sent to prison over the whole incident and the tours were no longer offered.

Also told me that everyone was assigned some kind of melee weapon and post in case of a boarding party.

I can't remember any of the other stories he told, I was more interested in hearing one of the guys detail how to sneak a "device" onto a plane that the TSA wouldn't be able to catch.
 
2013-03-17 10:56:13 AM
i44.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 10:56:15 AM

Insatiable Jesus: And now everyone in the world knows how to wear them out with false readings.


And knowing is half the battle!
 
2013-03-17 10:57:13 AM
Incompetent "elite" organisations named after snakes? Someone is getting sued.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-17 10:57:22 AM
Great. Now the high school dropout squad has Geiger Counters they don't know how to use are are armed with farking military hardware. I feel so goddamn safe now.
 
2013-03-17 10:58:56 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: And knowing is half the battle!


2 seconds. Well that was magical.
 
2013-03-17 11:01:39 AM

Nefarious: Are they coming to vipe the vindows?


Well, there goes my chance to gain Fark cred by dropping an obscure cultural reference.
 
2013-03-17 11:01:43 AM

RacySmurff: MFAWG: RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?

Exactly.


I seriously doubt they are using Geiger counters. They are probably using solid state radiation detectors, i.e. photodiodes and some associated circuitry for amplification and signal processing.
 
2013-03-17 11:02:54 AM

Dictatorial_Flair: Great. Now the high school dropout squad has Geiger Counters they don't know how to use are are armed with farking military hardware. I feel so goddamn safe now.


I'd really love to have some physics geeks ask them in the field about the thresholds and sensitivity of the Geiger counters, whether specific obscure elements that are radioactive trigger them, and other scientific questions to get a "Huh, whuh?" response. It'd be like XKCD cosplay.
 
2013-03-17 11:07:57 AM

rocketpants: I seriously doubt they are using Geiger counters. They are probably using solid state radiation detectors, i.e. photodiodes and some associated circuitry for amplification and signal processing.


So you're saying they have extra no farking idea how to use their equipment. Even better.
 
2013-03-17 11:08:14 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]


Look out for the Milquetoast squad.
 
2013-03-17 11:09:02 AM
Last time I had a stress test, they actually gave me a pre-printed form that I could show to the police if I got pulled over. The state troopers (and some of the local guys) have radiation detectors in CT.
The test uses Technetium 99m, a gamma emitter. Fortunately it has a short half-life (6.01 hours), so most if it is gone in a couple of days. That would explain your situation, Slartibartfaster.
 
2013-03-17 11:13:54 AM
A nuke going off in Chicago might actually clean up the place a little bit.
 
2013-03-17 11:15:08 AM

Tillmaster: Last time I had a stress test, they actually gave me a pre-printed form that I could show to the police if I got pulled over. The state troopers (and some of the local guys) have radiation detectors in CT.
The test uses Technetium 99m, a gamma emitter. Fortunately it has a short half-life (6.01 hours), so most if it is gone in a couple of days. That would explain your situation, Slartibartfaster.


Yes, you should totally have to show papers for unauthorized particles.

kevinboehm: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Look out for the Milquetoast squad.


If I'm ever President, there will be an Operation Spanish Inquisition.
 
2013-03-17 11:19:13 AM

Girion47: rohar: Girion47: One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.

As a former bubblehead, I'm acutely curious of these stories, please elaborate so as that we may judge his authenticity.

One of the many I can remember:

Sub was docked at one of those places in Southern VA.  This sub had been opened for public tours, the crew had marked the floors to show where the tourists could step, and where they couldn't(yellow zone would get you ejected, red being immediate arrest).   Apparently a high school group came through, and one kid being a smartass walked into a "red" zone and tried to push a button.   Apparently because of protocol they had to strip search the kid and turn him over to the NSA, the guy told me that the kid actually got sent to prison over the whole incident and the tours were no longer offered.

Also told me that everyone was assigned some kind of melee weapon and post in case of a boarding party.

I can't remember any of the other stories he told, I was more interested in hearing one of the guys detail how to sneak a "device" onto a plane that the TSA wouldn't be able to catch.


So a liar then?
 
2013-03-17 11:19:37 AM

Dictatorial_Flair: rocketpants: I seriously doubt they are using Geiger counters. They are probably using solid state radiation detectors, i.e. photodiodes and some associated circuitry for amplification and signal processing.

So you're saying they have extra no farking idea how to use their equipment. Even better.


Naaah. It's so easy, even a TSA agent can use it...

Just set it ... and forget it!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-17 11:24:37 AM

RacySmurff: rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.

Pretty sure SEALs aren't meatheads. If you're an idiot: you don't make the cut.


Some are, some aren't.  Like the rest of the Navy, they go through their individual rate training first.  There's no strikers in SEAL teams.  The guys from the technical rates are pretty bright, those from the non technical rates not so much.  A machinist is a machinist, not a high bar to cross.  Radiomen, by contrast, have to be pretty bright.  Doing wave table propagation in your head is a bit of a trick.  The washout rate in the technical A schools is pretty huge.

At the end of the day though, when they leave the teams they don't generally amount to much.  See all the news stories about the guys that went to get Bin Laden after they separated.  It's ugly.
 
2013-03-17 11:26:44 AM

rohar: RacySmurff: rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.

Pretty sure SEALs aren't meatheads. If you're an idiot: you don't make the cut.

Some are, some aren't.  Like the rest of the Navy, they go through their individual rate training first.  There's no strikers in SEAL teams.  The guys from the technical rates are pretty bright, those from the non technical rates not so much.  A machinist is a machinist, not a high bar to cross.  Radiomen, by contrast, have to be pretty bright.  Doing wave table propagation in your head is a bit of a trick.  The washout rate in the technical A schools is pretty huge.

At the end of the day though, when they leave the teams they don't generally amount to much.  See all the news stories about the guys that went to get Bin Laden after they separated.  It's ugly.


Don't the Snipers have to be pretty good at math. I'm assuming a SEAL team includes them.
 
2013-03-17 11:28:50 AM
How the hell did TSA find what they were looking for without grabbing someones genitals?
 
2013-03-17 11:30:35 AM

rohar: RacySmurff: rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.

Pretty sure SEALs aren't meatheads. If you're an idiot: you don't make the cut.

Some are, some aren't.  Like the rest of the Navy, they go through their individual rate training first.  There's no strikers in SEAL teams.  The guys from the technical rates are pretty bright, those from the non technical rates not so much.  A machinist is a machinist, not a high bar to cross.  Radiomen, by contrast, have to be pretty bright.  Doing wave table propagation in your head is a bit of a trick. The washout rate in the technical A schools is pretty huge.

At the end of the day though, when they leave the teams they don't generally amount to much.  See all the news stories about the guys that went to get Bin Laden after they separated.  It's ugly.


Tell us what that is.
 
2013-03-17 11:30:49 AM

rocketpants: Dictatorial_Flair: rocketpants: I seriously doubt they are using Geiger counters. They are probably using solid state radiation detectors, i.e. photodiodes and some associated circuitry for amplification and signal processing.

So you're saying they have extra no farking idea how to use their equipment. Even better.

Naaah. It's so easy, even a TSA agent can use it...

Just set it ... and forget it!

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]


Damn, that's easy.
 
2013-03-17 11:31:00 AM
Viper Team? Wasn't that a terrible TV show that was little more than a glorified ad for the Dodge Viper?
 
2013-03-17 11:31:05 AM

MFAWG: RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?


Because Uncle Sugar will pay it.
 
2013-03-17 11:31:26 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: rohar: RacySmurff: rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.

Pretty sure SEALs aren't meatheads. If you're an idiot: you don't make the cut.

Some are, some aren't.  Like the rest of the Navy, they go through their individual rate training first.  There's no strikers in SEAL teams.  The guys from the technical rates are pretty bright, those from the non technical rates not so much.  A machinist is a machinist, not a high bar to cross.  Radiomen, by contrast, have to be pretty bright.  Doing wave table propagation in your head is a bit of a trick.  The washout rate in the technical A schools is pretty huge.

At the end of the day though, when they leave the teams they don't generally amount to much.  See all the news stories about the guys that went to get Bin Laden after they separated.  It's ugly.

Don't the Snipers have to be pretty good at math. I'm assuming a SEAL team includes them.


How do they need to be good at math?
 
2013-03-17 11:35:21 AM

rohar: Girion47: rohar: Girion47: One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.

As a former bubblehead, I'm acutely curious of these stories, please elaborate so as that we may judge his authenticity.

One of the many I can remember:

Sub was docked at one of those places in Southern VA.  This sub had been opened for public tours, the crew had marked the floors to show where the tourists could step, and where they couldn't(yellow zone would get you ejected, red being immediate arrest).   Apparently a high school group came through, and one kid being a smartass walked into a "red" zone and tried to push a button.   Apparently because of protocol they had to strip search the kid and turn him over to the NSA, the guy told me that the kid actually got sent to prison over the whole incident and the tours were no longer offered.

Also told me that everyone was assigned some kind of melee weapon and post in case of a boarding party.

I can't remember any of the other stories he told, I was more interested in hearing one of the guys detail how to sneak a "device" onto a plane that the TSA wouldn't be able to catch.

So a liar then?


quite possible.

Made the trip entertaining at least.
 
2013-03-17 11:35:39 AM

Deathfrogg: MFAWG: RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?

Because Uncle Sugar will pay it.


Decent Ludlum meter is under $500.
 
2013-03-17 11:41:10 AM

noitsnot: Tell us what that is


That's the PITA of transmitting moderate frequencies through changing atmospheric conditions.  Assuming you're in the MF/HF band, atmospheric inputs can dramatically affect where and how you can transmit.  If conditions are one way, you can transmit/receive over a very short area, line of sight at max.  If conditions are just right, you can send MF all the way around the world.

This is where a pile of math comes in.  Attenuation, absorption, deflection and diffraction must all be accounted for and transmission must be adjusted accordingly.
 
2013-03-17 11:47:04 AM

BGates: Deathfrogg: MFAWG: RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?

Because Uncle Sugar will pay it.

Decent Ludlum meter is under $500.


Doesn't mean anything. My old boss tried to get into federal supply contracts for the Navy, machined parts. He'd bid a job at triple calculated costs and would be rejected for the bids being too low. We did one job that was massive, the parts were 18 tons each, and there were 25 of them. Boss made so much cash money on that one that he handed out christmas bonuses to everyone in the shop with more than 5 years in the place, that was equivalent to 10% gross annual wage. Finished the job 2 months ahead of schedule, and only scrapped one with a broken tap. One damn hole out of maybe 100 in each part, and they wouldn't allow us to repair it by machining off the wrecked feature and replacing it, which would have been a piece of cake, they wanted the whole thing replaced.

Madness.
 
2013-03-17 11:47:15 AM

Girion47: was more interested in hearing one of the guys detail how to sneak a "device" onto a plane that the TSA wouldn't be able to catch.


Trivially easy. There was a test a few days ago- tester hid a (fake) bomb in his crotch, got the pat-down and everything, still made it through.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/newark_tsa_bomb_boozled_eTIZBp2X7B 2 99qO5WCWvAK
 
2013-03-17 11:50:31 AM
Well, OK.  It doesn't really seem to me that "a pile of math" comes in - it seems more likely that you just try different antenna set ups and twiddle dials for better/worse until you get the best you can.  But if you say so...
 
2013-03-17 11:51:21 AM
MFAWG:

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?

why the heck wouldn't they [if they could get away with it]?
 
2013-03-17 11:52:28 AM

eKonk: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 350x246]
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i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 12:00:05 PM

ModernLuddite: What if a ton of people all bought some uranium and carried around major cities in their pockets? For the lulz?



That is an exceptionally BAD idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if some of that powder were accidentally spilled on a floor or staircase in a transportation facility, and got on the shoes of everyone who walked on it?

Chaos.
 
2013-03-17 12:00:33 PM

Nefarious: Are they coming to vipe the vindows?


Came for this.
 
2013-03-17 12:00:48 PM

Girion47: rohar: Girion47: rohar: Girion47: One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.

As a former bubblehead, I'm acutely curious of these stories, please elaborate so as that we may judge his authenticity.

One of the many I can remember:

Sub was docked at one of those places in Southern VA.  This sub had been opened for public tours, the crew had marked the floors to show where the tourists could step, and where they couldn't(yellow zone would get you ejected, red being immediate arrest).   Apparently a high school group came through, and one kid being a smartass walked into a "red" zone and tried to push a button.   Apparently because of protocol they had to strip search the kid and turn him over to the NSA, the guy told me that the kid actually got sent to prison over the whole incident and the tours were no longer offered.

Also told me that everyone was assigned some kind of melee weapon and post in case of a boarding party.

I can't remember any of the other stories he told, I was more interested in hearing one of the guys detail how to sneak a "device" onto a plane that the TSA wouldn't be able to catch.

So a liar then?

quite possible.

Made the trip entertaining at least.


No doubt.

Turns out, after many tours of my boat, I've been through this process a few times.  We don't paint the decks ever.  If we did, we'd have to clean the paint up.  Sailors aren't in to creating more work for themselves.  We'd run tape on the decks in some places (red tape, to say "don't go beyond here") for certain sensitive areas.  We'd post a shipmate at these spots to remind those touring that you can't go here.  All sensitive gear is covered by large blankets like moving blankets and held on by cams so nobody can push any serious buttons, they can't even see them.

If someone on a tour got into trouble, we'd never respond with criminal action.  If this occurred, it was a failure of the crew, not the tourist.  We took our responsibilities seriously, and we knew who we were working for.  If we ever prosecuted a tourist, it'd cause a lot of bad press.

Oh, and there's no need for melee weapons on a submarine to defend against a boarding party.  There is so damned much weaponry and numerous perimeters of defense around those things it's not even funny.  I don't miss doing topside watch in Groton in February.  All that equipment is friggin cold against your already cold body.

/it's been 15 years since I was on the boat
//SOPs may have changed
 
2013-03-17 12:06:15 PM

noitsnot: Well, OK.  It doesn't really seem to me that "a pile of math" comes in - it seems more likely that you just try different antenna set ups and twiddle dials for better/worse until you get the best you can.  But if you say so...


Twiddling knobs isn't an option.  You have a limited scheduled window to light up communication.  It must be right the first time which means you have to be set up when the transceiver goes live.

We schedule our communication windows to ensure the "enemy" has no idea what we're up to.  If we didn't they could perceive activity by an increase in traffic.  We can't allow that.  Because of that, the transmission must be 5/5 at the scheduled time.
 
2013-03-17 12:09:24 PM

MFAWG: RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?


I don't have a geiger counter, but if you're willing to pay $20k, I'll happily buy one and sell it to you.
 
2013-03-17 12:11:30 PM
Shirley, if they'd intended to keep them super-secret they wouldn't have given them a cool name. Something like The Janitors, Telephone sanitizers or Bath wipers. No one would give them a second thought.

/DRTFA
 
2013-03-17 12:21:26 PM
Nothing like a shot of thallium after a long hard day at work.
 
2013-03-17 12:25:32 PM
The racism in the comments for that article is impressive. Or am I the real racist for pointing it out?
 
2013-03-17 12:34:52 PM
"...you'll be high before too long/If you're a Viper."

lh5.ggpht.com
 
2013-03-17 12:38:06 PM

RacySmurff: MFAWG: RacySmurff: doosh: Oooooh they had  Hand-Held NUCLEAR Detection Devices !!

[checks ebay for the price on a geiger counter]

Wow, the feds blew a whole c-note on each of these devices. Im-pressssed!!

Clearly you don't know much about the workings of our wonderful bureaucracy. I'm sure the government gets them wholesale. So they probably cost $13,000 +/+ (read plus or plus) $20,000 or so.

Why would anybody charge 20k for 100 dollar geiger counter?

Exactly.


Actually the counter is really still only $100. It's the testing to a dozen or so MIL-STDs, the equipment to perform such tests, and the documentation that the units passed the tests that adds the other $19,900.

\eyes glazing over at the thought of reading another MIL spec.
 
2013-03-17 12:39:54 PM
This is a fluff piece about how sensitive ad far reaching our nuclear dection is.

It's like people who put the ADT sign in their front yard hoping that will scare criminals away
 
2013-03-17 12:46:39 PM

Ravijn: Nefarious: Are they coming to vipe the vindows?

[i.imgur.com image 460x310]


I came for that reference.

/knowing is half the battle
 
2013-03-17 12:53:33 PM

RacySmurff: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

No, they're named after:

Sea
[travelinginmyworld.files.wordpress.com image 594x250]

Air
[morganbeebe.files.wordpress.com image 300x213]

Land
[entropy2.com image 300x187]


S A L ?
 
2013-03-17 01:22:06 PM
img51.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-17 01:23:45 PM
Have we reached the point where all commenters are indistinguishable nutters and trolls?
 
m00
2013-03-17 02:05:37 PM
I'm surprised he wasn't shot 48 times, and that we're not reading about how heroic TSA agents stopped a nuclear bomb threat.
 
2013-03-17 02:21:11 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: This is a fluff piece about how sensitive ad far reaching our nuclear dection is.

It's like people who put the ADT sign in their front yard hoping that will scare criminals away


I know someone who set off the radiation alarms crossing the border from America's hat/the 51st state after recently having radiation treatments for cancer.

Of course, I bet the border patrol turned down the sensitivity on those things after a ton of false positives. Wouldn't want radiation alarms interfering with their day.
 
2013-03-17 03:07:59 PM

RacySmurff: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

No, they're named after:

Sea
[travelinginmyworld.files.wordpress.com image 594x250]

Air
[morganbeebe.files.wordpress.com image 300x213]

Land
[entropy2.com image 300x187]


Umm... I bet you were posting that hoping to appear smart.
 
2013-03-17 03:45:50 PM

Slartibartfaster: Ive had these tests done, twice.
I travelled 3 days later through Canada, US and China.

Carried the cards (I got one when I went for the morning the other when I went for the follow up that night)

Nobody detected SQUAT


The detectors are scattered and only in a few places. More in the DC area, less in Detroit. It's sort of like biohazard detectors, there are a pile of them in the Capitol area but not in the burbs.
 
2013-03-17 03:46:42 PM

rohar: noitsnot: Tell us what that is

That's the PITA of transmitting moderate frequencies through changing atmospheric conditions.  Assuming you're in the MF/HF band, atmospheric inputs can dramatically affect where and how you can transmit.  If conditions are one way, you can transmit/receive over a very short area, line of sight at max.  If conditions are just right, you can send MF all the way around the world.

This is where a pile of math comes in.  Attenuation, absorption, deflection and diffraction must all be accounted for and transmission must be adjusted accordingly.


NOBODY does propagation forecasts in their head.  You need current information from ionospheric sounding stations , which is then crunched by supercomputers to give daily or weekly predictions called ionograms.  Propagation can be estimated by knowing generally how the ionosphere behaves during different times of the day and the year, but nobody (except communications engineers designing point-to-point HF links) does calculations in their head, or by hand, except perhaps once in school to help them understand the math.  And with ALE, I'm not even sure anyone even looks at the ionograms any more...the computer does it all. And then, of course, there are the satellite links... HF comms are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.
 
2013-03-17 03:47:44 PM

ModernLuddite: What if a ton of people all bought some uranium and carried around major cities in their pockets? For the lulz?


It's generally not radioactive enough to detect. A truckload of bananas, on the other hand, is a moving target.
 
2013-03-17 04:17:05 PM
rohar:
At the end of the day though, when they leave the teams they don't generally amount to much.  See all the news stories about the guys that went to get Bin Laden after they separated.  It's ugly.

Well, there's a lot going on there. For one thing, (and pardon me if I get the Navy part a bit off, was Army) the DA missions like this one attract the more wildassed. If it were SF, what you'd see is the guys that are rabid for DA have gravitated to ODAs that specialize in that, and those guys are generally (coff) very Bravo-ish. And I'd bet that the OBL teams were all whatever SEAL specialty correlates to Bravos, with a few exceptions you probably didn't read about in the news.

Those guys, in my experience, end up leaving the service and becoming cops, security guards or they run the shipping and delivery department, because weapon specialists are not in high demand in civilian life. We had a SEAL in sales at one point. Nice guy, picked on him all the time.

OTOH, if you go to SAIC, Titan, L3 or whatnot, you'll see a big contingent of Charlies and Echoes working as design and development engineers. Because engineering and electronics are a better basis than a Bravo for getting a civilian job.

SOCOM operators tend to have a longer reintegration period, too, there's a sort of short woohoo period up front followed by a long period of what's sort of like separation anxiety, you've been with the same guys more or less in a very close environment for years and then bammo into civvies you go, it can be a bit depressing for a while, almost a grieving process - you aren't one of the guys anymore, you'll likely never see them again, and your hometown is changed, family scattered, there you are. So after they ETS you get sort of a sag where nothing seems to move for a while, and maybe that's why it sounds so ugly in the news, they'd all have to be in that phase.
 
2013-03-17 04:17:42 PM

UnspokenVoice: RacySmurff: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

No, they're named after:

Sea
[travelinginmyworld.files.wordpress.com image 594x250]

Air
[morganbeebe.files.wordpress.com image 300x213]

Land
[entropy2.com image 300x187]

Umm... I bet you were posting that hoping to appear smart.


Was posting that to appear to be a smartASS. Didn't I get it right?
 
2013-03-17 04:23:03 PM
Girion47:
Apparently because of protocol they had to strip search the kid and turn him over to the NSA, the guy told me that the kid actually got sent to prison over the whole incident and the tours were no longer offered.

The NSA doesn't do that sort of thing - they specialize in crypto and SIGINT. They do own the Ft Meade police force, but that's it.

If you did something like this on a sub, they'd turn you over to the boat's master-at-arms, then the MPs then ONI would have at you, turn you over to the FBI later.
 
2013-03-17 04:30:03 PM
Have you ever heard of the

Americans
Secretly
Serving
Higher
Order &
Law
Enforcement
Services?

obscure FFB reference, nyet?
 
2013-03-17 04:40:12 PM
How the frak has this thread gone on so long without a BSG image??????img508.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-17 04:44:44 PM

ka1axy: rohar: noitsnot: Tell us what that is

That's the PITA of transmitting moderate frequencies through changing atmospheric conditions.  Assuming you're in the MF/HF band, atmospheric inputs can dramatically affect where and how you can transmit.  If conditions are one way, you can transmit/receive over a very short area, line of sight at max.  If conditions are just right, you can send MF all the way around the world.

This is where a pile of math comes in.  Attenuation, absorption, deflection and diffraction must all be accounted for and transmission must be adjusted accordingly.

NOBODY does propagation forecasts in their head.  You need current information from ionospheric sounding stations , which is then crunched by supercomputers to give daily or weekly predictions called ionograms.  Propagation can be estimated by knowing generally how the ionosphere behaves during different times of the day and the year, but nobody (except communications engineers designing point-to-point HF links) does calculations in their head, or by hand, except perhaps once in school to help them understand the math.  And with ALE, I'm not even sure anyone even looks at the ionograms any more...the computer does it all. And then, of course, there are the satellite links... HF comms are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.


I'm guessing in the modern world you're right.  Sad state of affairs this has become.  My MF/HF was designed about WWII and we had to do things by hand.  I probably wouldn't know how to navigate a modern radio room.  If in doubt, fire up the sat stack and all.

I'd bet good money the poor suckers that work that equipment know how to tear it down to the last transistor and rebuild it blindfolded though.  Meanwhile, the lower rates make their way into SEAL teams, and can't calculate when their next meal is going to occur.

This is not a success of intelligence, rather a success of groupthink well directed.
 
2013-03-17 05:24:24 PM

rohar: Girion47: rohar: Girion47: rohar: Girion47: One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.

As a former bubblehead, I'm acutely curious of these stories, please elaborate so as that we may judge his authenticity.

One of the many I can remember:

Sub was docked at one of those places in Southern VA.  This sub had been opened for public tours, the crew had marked the floors to show where the tourists could step, and where they couldn't(yellow zone would get you ejected, red being immediate arrest).   Apparently a high school group came through, and one kid being a smartass walked into a "red" zone and tried to push a button.   Apparently because of protocol they had to strip search the kid and turn him over to the NSA, the guy told me that the kid actually got sent to prison over the whole incident and the tours were no longer offered.

Also told me that everyone was assigned some kind of melee weapon and post in case of a boarding party.

I can't remember any of the other stories he told, I was more interested in hearing one of the guys detail how to sneak a "device" onto a plane that the TSA wouldn't be able to catch.

So a liar then?

quite possible.

Made the trip entertaining at least.

No doubt.

Turns out, after many tours of my boat, I've been through this process a few times.  We don't paint the decks ever.  If we did, we'd have to clean the paint up.  Sailors aren't in to creating more work for themselves.  We'd run tape on the decks in some places (red tape, to say "don't go beyond here") for certain sensitive areas.  We'd post a shipmate at these spots to remind those touring that you can't go here.  All sensitive gear is covered by large blankets like moving blankets and held on by cams so nobody can push any serious buttons, they can't even see them.

If someone on a tour got into trouble, we'd never respond with criminal action.  If this occurred, it was a failure of the crew, not the ...


Dude was old, I'd guess he was active duty in the 70's.

Again, I'm sure he was exaggerating like a lot of old men like to do, I let him go on and on because I was driving through central florida and had nothing better to do.   Plus I find it useful to keep my client's happy when I'm working with them.
 
2013-03-17 05:30:10 PM

Girion47: Dude was old, I'd guess he was active duty in the 70's.


There were a lot of drugs in the sub fleet in the '70s.

Curious, did he start his yarn with "True story" or "No shiat"?
 
2013-03-17 05:31:45 PM

rohar: Girion47: Dude was old, I'd guess he was active duty in the 70's.

There were a lot of drugs in the sub fleet in the '70s.

Curious, did he start his yarn with "True story" or "No shiat"?


No he started with the kind of prologue you get from those that don't normally get listened to.

You know "this is secret..., you can't tell anyone...  this is super serious..."   shiat like that.  They build it up a lot and then exaggerate everything.
 
2013-03-17 06:14:19 PM

Girion47: rohar: Girion47: Dude was old, I'd guess he was active duty in the 70's.

There were a lot of drugs in the sub fleet in the '70s.

Curious, did he start his yarn with "True story" or "No shiat"?

No he started with the kind of prologue you get from those that don't normally get listened to.

You know "this is secret..., you can't tell anyone...  this is super serious..."   shiat like that.  They build it up a lot and then exaggerate everything.


For the uninitiated, if an old salt starts a story with "true story", it's a lie.  If they start with "no shiat" it's probably true.  There are rules.
 
2013-03-17 06:37:44 PM
rohar:
For the uninitiated, if an old salt starts a story with "true story", it's a lie.  If they start with "no shiat" it's probably true.  There are rules.

Army stories always start with 'This ain't no shiat'. It's the Army equivalent of 'once upon a time'.
 
2013-03-17 07:04:35 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Close2TheEdge: TSA?

VIPR - Violently Ignoring People's Rights?

Visible Islamist Profiling Racists


Since Islam isn't a race, how can profiling them be racist?
 
2013-03-17 07:24:28 PM

RacySmurff: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

No, they're named after:

Sea
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Air
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Land
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Sals? Sure, Sal "No-nose" Toretti was a heavy hitter but a trained killer of babies? It just ain't so.
 
2013-03-17 09:04:24 PM

Girion47: I once did a baseline safety analysis of a Viper team in a fairly large city down in Florida.   Got to ride around with the guys, see where they set up, and what kind of unique dangers they were exposed to when doing their job.

One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.


Good farking god, this is the most blatant mall ninja post I have ever seen on Fark.
 
2013-03-17 09:19:56 PM

Robyr: Girion47: I once did a baseline safety analysis of a Viper team in a fairly large city down in Florida.   Got to ride around with the guys, see where they set up, and what kind of unique dangers they were exposed to when doing their job.

One of them had been on a sub for the Navy, he had all kinds of crazy ass stories about what happened on his boat.

Good farking god, this is the most blatant mall ninja post I have ever seen on Fark.


How so?
 
2013-03-17 10:46:06 PM

BgJonson79: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Close2TheEdge: TSA?

VIPR - Violently Ignoring People's Rights?

Visible Islamist Profiling Racists

Since Islam isn't a race, how can profiling them be racist?


They needed a vowel, dammit. One of the Congressman who sponsered their appropration bill comes from a big vowel industry district.
 
2013-03-17 11:37:37 PM
static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-03-18 02:32:29 AM

RacySmurff: UnspokenVoice: RacySmurff: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
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No, they're named after:

Sea
[travelinginmyworld.files.wordpress.com image 594x250]

Air
[morganbeebe.files.wordpress.com image 300x213]

Land
[entropy2.com image 300x187]

Umm... I bet you were posting that hoping to appear smart.

Was posting that to appear to be a smartASS. Didn't I get it right?


LOL It's your story. So I guess you got it right.
 
2013-03-18 10:32:07 AM

Snarfangel: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: edmo: First time I ever saw "elite" and TSA in the same sentence.

Composed exclusively of TSA employees who have graduated High School. Sort of reminds me of those Barry Sadler lyrics: "One hundred men will test today, but only three win the green beret...."

Keeping scissors from the sky
Pawing girls who want to die
Shoes will kill you all one day
The brave men of the TSA.


Oh damn, that's good. Seriously! You should try to do a TSA-related parody for the entire song - then find someone to produce it. I can see some overly-uniformed TSA goof with bright blue gloves, in place of Sadler. Outstanding guerrilla theater.

The best form of political criticism is ridicule.

'Course you would never be able to fly again........
 
2013-03-18 10:44:21 AM

rohar: RacySmurff: rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.

Pretty sure SEALs aren't meatheads. If you're an idiot: you don't make the cut.

Some are, some aren't.  Like the rest of the Navy, they go through their individual rate training first.  There's no strikers in SEAL teams.  The guys from the technical rates are pretty bright, those from the non technical rates not so much.  A machinist is a machinist, not a high bar to cross.  Radiomen, by contrast, have to be pretty bright.  Doing wave table propagation in your head is a bit of a trick.  The washout rate in the technical A schools is pretty huge.

At the end of the day though, when they leave the teams they don't generally amount to much.  See all the news stories about the guys that went to get Bin Laden after they separated.  It's ugly.


Too bad you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-03-18 02:36:50 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]


I prefer to think of them as named after these:

www.maniacworld.com

Quite nasty.
 
2013-03-18 02:42:28 PM

ka1axy: rohar: noitsnot: Tell us what that is

That's the PITA of transmitting moderate frequencies through changing atmospheric conditions.  Assuming you're in the MF/HF band, atmospheric inputs can dramatically affect where and how you can transmit.  If conditions are one way, you can transmit/receive over a very short area, line of sight at max.  If conditions are just right, you can send MF all the way around the world.

This is where a pile of math comes in.  Attenuation, absorption, deflection and diffraction must all be accounted for and transmission must be adjusted accordingly.

NOBODY does propagation forecasts in their head.  You need current information from ionospheric sounding stations , which is then crunched by supercomputers to give daily or weekly predictions called ionograms.  Propagation can be estimated by knowing generally how the ionosphere behaves during different times of the day and the year, but nobody (except communications engineers designing point-to-point HF links) does calculations in their head, or by hand, except perhaps once in school to help them understand the math.  And with ALE, I'm not even sure anyone even looks at the ionograms any more...the computer does it all. And then, of course, there are the satellite links... HF comms are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.


I do it in my head.

/Old school.
 
2013-03-18 05:53:56 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: You should try to do a TSA-related parody for the entire song - then find someone to produce it.


TSA gangstaz (NSFW)
 
2013-03-19 03:45:39 PM

rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.


Ask a TSA member to IDENTIFY a polynomial equation.
 
2013-03-19 04:38:04 PM

MikeBoomshadow: rohar: Tobin_Lam: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The more hyperbolic the name of the government project (VIPR team, USA PATRIOT Act), the worse it is. FFS, our most badass special forces teams are named after this:
[ec.europa.eu image 450x297]

Seals are badass. I bet you would lose a fight with one in hand to hand combat.

Yeah, but if you turn the tables the difference in abilities is just as apparent.  Ask a SEAL to solve a polynomial equation sometime and see what happens.

Ask a TSA member to IDENTIFY a polynomial equation.


Ask and yee shall receive:
lawprofessors.typepad.com

/sorta :P
 
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