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2013-03-17 04:34:38 AM  
Anyone who isn't a complete waste of oxygen isn't welcome at CPAC.
 
2013-03-17 05:02:43 AM  
CPAC 2013? is this a Star Wars thread?
 
2013-03-17 05:09:49 AM  
borg

CPAC 2013? is this a Star Wars thread?

question marks. you. of all....
 
2013-03-17 05:14:57 AM  

borg: CPAC 2013? is this a Star Wars thread?


Well, you won't find a darker pit of scum and villainy..
 
2013-03-17 05:21:53 AM  
I presume this isn't about rotting corpses?
 
2013-03-17 08:20:40 AM  
Eisenhower would be chased from the building with torches and pitchforks for his "socialist" idea to build roads using MY money that the POORS can use.

Roosevelt? The tree hugging hippie who suggests that corporations shouldn't be able to sink a well anywhere they please, well that guy AIIEEE HE'S RIDING IN ON A GRIZZLY AND PUNCHING THE BUILDING TO ATOMS!
 
2013-03-17 08:52:15 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Eisenhower would be chased from the building with torches and pitchforks for his "socialist" idea to build roads using MY money that the POORS can use.

Roosevelt? The tree hugging hippie who suggests that corporations shouldn't be able to sink a well anywhere they please, well that guy AIIEEE HE'S RIDING IN ON A GRIZZLY AND PUNCHING THE BUILDING TO ATOMS!


Lincoln? He's just gonna let THOSE people wander around anywhere like they're one of us?
 
2013-03-17 09:21:51 AM  
11. All those brown suits. Brown is such an unflattering color on most people.
 
2013-03-17 09:41:02 AM  
Reagan was an average, at best, President. I'm convinced the only reason Republicans hold him in such high regard is they think that by deifying him, it somehow whitewashes the party of Nixon's resignation. That's the only thing I can come up with. So much of what they purport to be against, Reagan did. He ran from terrorists, he raised taxes, he ran deficits, etc
 
2013-03-17 09:43:07 AM  
Made 10 without listing his support for gun bans.
 
2013-03-17 09:45:35 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: He ran from terrorists,


Yeah I never hear conservatives bring up Beirut much... or Iran Contra... or how he armed what became the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

Greatest president in history!
 
2013-03-17 09:46:00 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Reagan was an average, at best, President. I'm convinced the only reason Republicans hold him in such high regard is they think that by deifying him, it somehow whitewashes the party of Nixon's resignation. That's the only thing I can come up with. So much of what they purport to be against, Reagan did. He ran from terrorists, he raised taxes, he ran deficits, etc


Well, he beat the pants off of two successive Democratic contenders and basically ramped up spending in a way that only a Capitalist superpower can manage but will run a Communist one into the ground, thereby contributing to the Soviet Union's demise.

/Bush Sr. deserves more credit than he got for not mismanaging things while the Soviet Union finally collapsed
 
2013-03-17 09:46:50 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Reagan was an average, at best, President. I'm convinced the only reason Republicans hold him in such high regard is they think that by deifying him, it somehow whitewashes the party of Nixon's resignation. That's the only thing I can come up with. So much of what they purport to be against, Reagan did. He ran from terrorists, he raised taxes, he ran deficits, etc


That and he's the best president they had in recent memory.
 
2013-03-17 09:47:55 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Peter von Nostrand: He ran from terrorists,

Yeah I never hear conservatives bring up Beirut much... or Iran Contra... or how he armed what became the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

Greatest president in history!


Yeah, Congress made support for the Contras illegal, with support from both parties.
 
2013-03-17 09:48:10 AM  
Ah, the monthly reminder that the Republican Party's heroes would hate what the party has become.
 
2013-03-17 09:49:28 AM  

vygramul: /Bush Sr. deserves more credit than he got for not mismanaging things while the Soviet Union finally collapsed


I still remember how Bob Gates was ripped apart as being the CIA Director who didn't see it coming. Then he totally redeemed himself as Secretary of Defense 15 years later.

Those were interesting times.
 
2013-03-17 09:50:12 AM  
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2013-03-17 09:50:50 AM  
Uh, no. Those "failings" would be glossed over and replaced with  Saint Ronnie, which is a cross between The Most Interesting Man in the World and John Galt. There is also a pinch of Charles Bronson from Death Wish because that is how many Republicans see themselves nowadays with all the gun stuff going on and bleeding-heart libs and stuff. Ronald Reagan would be invited to CPAC to play Saint Ronnie, his final acting role which he starred as in the films "Ronnie" (1981) and "Ronnie Reelected" (1985).
 
2013-03-17 09:54:17 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Uh, no. Those "failings" would be glossed over and replaced with  Saint Ronnie, which is a cross between The Most Interesting Man in the World and John Galt. There is also a pinch of Charles Bronson from Death Wish because that is how many Republicans see themselves nowadays with all the gun stuff going on and bleeding-heart libs and stuff. Ronald Reagan would be invited to CPAC to play Saint Ronnie, his final acting role which he starred as in the films "Ronnie" (1981) and "Ronnie Reelected" (1985).


You know how we've seen Tupac perform as a hologram and the Fred Astaire Bissel commercials?

Just wait until the GOP realizes they can have holo-Ronnie address CPAC.
 
2013-03-17 09:56:03 AM  
reason 14b: he's mostly liquid pooled around bones.

there'd be no way to tell him from coulter
 
2013-03-17 09:58:53 AM  
vygramul:

Just wait until the GOP realizes they can have holo-Ronnie address CPAC.

you laugh, but just this holographic ronniegasm was planned for 2012's RNC - and just to add the right punchline, the reason they decided not to go ahead with it was because they feared it would overshadow Romney.

instead, Romney was overshadowed by dirty harry arguing with an empty chair.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/reagan-hologram-real-planned-rnc- de but-203919642--election.html
 
2013-03-17 09:58:53 AM  

Alphax: Yeah, Congress made support for the Contras illegal, with support from both parties.


Well that's why his administration immediately ceased funding their death squads that were killing priests and raping nuns.

"These deliberate acts of violence against civilians were acknowledged by the CIA as early as late 1983, when, Latin America division chief of the CIA's Directorate for Operations, reported in a secret briefing to the Senate subcommittee that his contras had murdered "civilians and Sandinista officials in the provinces, as well as heads of cooperatives, nurses, doctors and judges". But that didn't contradict the presidential directive, Dewey said. "These events don't constitute assassinations because as far as we are concerned assassinations are only those of heads of state. I leave definitions to the politicians. After all, this is a war-a paramilitary operation"."

Because nothing makes me proud to be an American like the torture and murder of innocent civilians. Thanks Ronnie! USA USA USA!
 
2013-03-17 09:59:05 AM  

flucto: I presume this isn't about rotting corpses?


That never stopped the Republicans from putting him on the dais when he was in office.
 
2013-03-17 09:59:49 AM  

vygramul: Made 10 without listing his support for gun bans.


this
 
2013-03-17 10:01:27 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Eisenhower would be chased from the building with torches and pitchforks for his "socialist" idea to build roads using MY money that the POORS can use.

Roosevelt? The tree hugging hippie who suggests that corporations shouldn't be able to sink a well anywhere they please, well that guy AIIEEE HE'S RIDING IN ON A GRIZZLY AND PUNCHING THE BUILDING TO ATOMS!


Actually, I think Eisenhower would take one look at what was going on, then call in an artillery barrage to level the place.
 
2013-03-17 10:02:48 AM  

SilentStrider: Eisenhower


The last republican president i would actually vote for... They went downhill quick after he left office.  I blame Goldwater and Nixon.
 
2013-03-17 10:05:16 AM  

SilentStrider: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Eisenhower would be chased from the building with torches and pitchforks for his "socialist" idea to build roads using MY money that the POORS can use.

Roosevelt? The tree hugging hippie who suggests that corporations shouldn't be able to sink a well anywhere they please, well that guy AIIEEE HE'S RIDING IN ON A GRIZZLY AND PUNCHING THE BUILDING TO ATOMS!

Actually, I think Eisenhower would take one look at what was going on, then call in an artillery barrage to level the place.


The fact that Eisenhower's ghost has never shown up to slap some sense into the modern GOP and ask "WTF?!" is proof enough to me that there's no such things as  ghosts. Ditto for Teddy Roosevelt.
 
2013-03-17 10:11:34 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: SilentStrider: Eisenhower

The last republican president i would actually vote for... They went downhill quick after he left office.  I blame Goldwater and Nixon.


I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
 

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!

Would not be welcome at CPAC
 
2013-03-17 10:12:43 AM  
My experience as a bank teller enlightened me on the drastic change in the financial world that occurred after Reagan was first-elected.  Many savings account holders' passbooks showed an interest rate drop from 20% return down to 2-3% in the span of months.  During the worst parts of 70's inflation, their accounts would retain high percentages; after Reagan, huge drop.  I can only speculate about the timing.

The interest rates have been shiatty ever since.
 
2013-03-17 10:16:50 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem.


It's already happened.

The Tea Party today is basically the Moral Majority in overdrive.
 
2013-03-17 10:21:10 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Peter von Nostrand: He ran from terrorists,

Yeah I never hear conservatives bring up Beirut much... or Iran Contra... or how he armed what became the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

Greatest president in history!


they only care about one thing, he shifted a lot of the tax burden off the rich and onto the lower and middle class.
the fact that he borrowed a lot of money,increased spending,catered to wingnuts,dealt with terrorists and drug dealers doesn't matter.
 
2013-03-17 10:23:06 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Nixon


If the latest news on Nixon proves true, he was truly the most vile POS to hold the office. I'd likely arrange a tour for us to go piss on his grave.

It sounds true enough, but I'd like to give some of the history dorks a chance to flesh it all out.
 
2013-03-17 10:23:19 AM  
Plus his rotting corpse would stink the joint up.

/even more
 
2013-03-17 10:25:41 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Doktor_Zhivago: Nixon

If the latest news on Nixon proves true, he was truly the most vile POS to hold the office. I'd likely arrange a tour for us to go piss on his grave.

It sounds true enough, but I'd like to give some of the history dorks a chance to flesh it all out.


One more reason to get Dubya's dirty laundry out in the open soon enough that the bastard's still alive enough for the Hague.
 
2013-03-17 10:25:55 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Doktor_Zhivago: Nixon

If the latest news on Nixon proves true, he was truly the most vile POS to hold the office. I'd likely arrange a tour for us to go piss on his grave.

It sounds true enough, but I'd like to give some of the history dorks a chance to flesh it all out.


He did start the EPA.  And he did manage to kick Nixon out of office so he can't be all bad.
 
2013-03-17 10:27:32 AM  
1. And who man I ask was in congress at the time? This will be important in a moment.
2. See #1
3. See #1
4. As with so many things, what the Earned Income Tax credit was understood to be and what it would become once liberals got their hands on it were not entirely the same thing.
5. And in the 80s, it might have seemed like we could negotiate with them. I can't imagine what event might have changed that perspective.
6. Yes, Reagan did negotiate with the Soviet Union on this issue, and liberals did nothing but scream bloody murder about how he was doing it all wrong. He was ultimately proven correct.
7. It's funny that you should mention amnesty because at the the time he did mention that unless we did something about the illegal immigration problem that it would just keep getting worse, a fact about which he was right, and liberals have fought tooth and nail every step of the way to make sure that border never gets secured.
8. Oh wow, you actually might have something there, but at the time it probably seemed like a necessary thing. This is hardly something that's going to make people start burning down their Reagan shrines however.
9. In 1967? Really? Peoples positions on issues are set in stone... Forever. A lot of Republicans have put forward the idea for that sort of Amendment, but you'll forgive them if they're realistic about the prospect of actually getting an Amendment passed on any issue, much less a controversial one, even in the 1980s.
10. It's cute the way they can't help themselves here. Still clinging to that decades old conspiracy theory concerning AIDS and the Reagan administration then turning around to admit that after going to all that effort Reagan somehow saw the light.

1-3: I think it's about time you decide once and for all if congress is responsible for every ill that befalls this country or the president is responsible for every ill that befalls this country rather than "It's always the Republicans fault". It's really quite striking how congress is always blameless when the Democrats run it and you can go from "everything is the presidents fault" to "nothing is the presidents fault" starting around January of whatever year a Democrat assumes the Oval Office. So I have to ask you if all that defense spending that was approved by congress was approved by a bunch of "DINOs" or what? Were those tax increases passed by executive order or perhaps they were passed as part of some compromise package with the Democrats? Gee, I wonder.

Oh and Reagan's policies worked by the way. We finished off the Soviet Union, an entity that liberals tried to tell us we might as well just accept the dominance of and delivered decades of prosperity.
 
2013-03-17 10:32:49 AM  

randomjsa: Oh and Reagan's policies worked by the way. We finished off the Soviet Union, an entity that liberals tried to tell us we might as well just accept the dominance of and delivered decades of prosperity.


Wow, you mean the trillions spent by all the Presidents before him worked? All of the proxy wars and economic/scientific attacks over 40 years? Amazing. Did he Borrow 0bummer Balrock Achmed Hussein Fartbama's magical time machine?

I'm just glad Reagan was able to find 1.21 jigawatts of power.
 
2013-03-17 10:36:22 AM  

randomjsa: Oh and Reagan's policies worked by the way. We finished off the Soviet Union, an entity that liberals tried to tell us we might as well just accept the dominance of and delivered decades of prosperity.


The Soviet Union finished itself off.

The fact that right-wing historical revisionists are trying to make it sound like Reagan single-handedly defeated the Soviets is hilarious but remarkably ignorant.
 
2013-03-17 10:39:30 AM  
By the time of the Iran/Contra dance, some insiders were describing him as nothing more than an "empty suit."

/don't have a citation
 
2013-03-17 10:41:22 AM  

Mrtraveler01: The Soviet Union finished itself off.


But Reagan had Star Wars and that made the russkies piss their pants and give up on their economic system that had been stagnating since the early 70s and was nearing collapse by the time Reagan was elected and would have collapsed much sooner if Gorbachev hadn't dragged it out another 5-6 years by slowly giving up the powers of the State until it became impotent and unable to continue functioning.
 
2013-03-17 10:44:09 AM  

Generation_D: 11. All those brown suits. Brown is such an unflattering color on most people.


brainmind.com
 
2013-03-17 10:45:26 AM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: Oh and Reagan's policies worked by the way. We finished off the Soviet Union, an entity that liberals tried to tell us we might as well just accept the dominance of and delivered decades of prosperity.

The Soviet Union finished itself off.

The fact that right-wing historical revisionists are trying to make it sound like Reagan single-handedly defeated the Soviets is hilarious but remarkably ignorant.


You need to understand it from the perspective of right wing double think

On the one hand the Soviet Union was utterly doomed to failure as the result of an inherently flawed system whose complete collapse was inevitable.

On the other hand the Soviet Union was a terrifyingly powerful menace and without the unique leadership brilliance and vigor of Reagan it would have taken over the world. He alone was capable of stopping it.
 
2013-03-17 10:47:51 AM  

randomjsa: I think it's about time you decide once and for all if congress is responsible for every ill that befalls this country or the president is responsible for every ill that befalls this country rather than "It's always the Republicans fault". It's really quite striking how congress is always blameless when the Democrats run it and you can go from "everything is the presidents fault" to "nothing is the presidents fault" starting around January of whatever year a Democrat assumes the Oval Office. So I have to ask you if all that defense spending that was approved by congress was approved by a bunch of "DINOs" or what? Were those tax increases passed by executive order or perhaps they were passed as part of some compromise package with the Democrats? Gee, I wonder


That is funny considering how often I keep hearing right wing mouth breathers try to point out that everthing that happened between 2001-2010 was because of the democrats in congress, everything Clinton did right was because of the republicans in congress, and now everything is Obama's fault.
I've actually heard right wingers try and blame the economic collapse on the democrats taking congress in 2007, then blame obama, then give some kind of credit to the gop in congress for the recovery that isn't happening because its all Obama's fault.

I'd bet money that if I was bored enough, and went though enough fark threads,  I'd find you doing exactly this.
 
2013-03-17 10:50:15 AM  

blastoh: I'd find you doing exactly this


There's a reason i have him farkied as right-wing troll
 
2013-03-17 10:50:22 AM  
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
 
2013-03-17 10:51:49 AM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: Oh and Reagan's policies worked by the way. We finished off the Soviet Union, an entity that liberals tried to tell us we might as well just accept the dominance of and delivered decades of prosperity.

The Soviet Union finished itself off.

The fact that right-wing historical revisionists are trying to make it sound like Reagan single-handedly defeated the Soviets is hilarious but remarkably ignorant.


Seems legit to me. We can't enact policies to drive communism out of a small island nation 90 miles off the Florida coast but we can enact policies that shutter communism in the 2nd most powerful and the largest nation that's halfway across the world. Makes perfect sense
 
2013-03-17 10:54:08 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: blastoh: I'd find you doing exactly this

There's a reason i have him farkied as right-wing troll


"was touched inappropriately by a fact - visibly distressed in their presence"
 
2013-03-17 10:54:23 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Reagan was an average, at best, President. I'm convinced the only reason Republicans hold him in such high regard is they think that by deifying him, it somehow whitewashes the party of Nixon's resignation. That's the only thing I can come up with. So much of what they purport to be against, Reagan did. He ran from terrorists, he raised taxes, he ran deficits, etc


He brought a healthy dose of nationalism back to America after several years of us getting our butts handed to us by the Soviet Union. That's why I like him.
 
2013-03-17 10:55:48 AM  

vygramul: Peter von Nostrand: Reagan was an average, at best, President. I'm convinced the only reason Republicans hold him in such high regard is they think that by deifying him, it somehow whitewashes the party of Nixon's resignation. That's the only thing I can come up with. So much of what they purport to be against, Reagan did. He ran from terrorists, he raised taxes, he ran deficits, etc

Well, he beat the pants off of two successive Democratic contenders and basically ramped up spending in a way that only a Capitalist superpower can manage but will run a Communist one into the ground, thereby contributing to the Soviet Union's demise.

/Bush Sr. deserves more credit than he got for not mismanaging things while the Soviet Union finally collapsed


I did think of his Mondale beat down, which I would imagine will never be matched. But that in and of itself, doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. In fact, most people have probably forgotten or didn't realize what an electoral butt kicking it was
 
2013-03-17 10:57:43 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Peter von Nostrand: Reagan was an average, at best, President. I'm convinced the only reason Republicans hold him in such high regard is they think that by deifying him, it somehow whitewashes the party of Nixon's resignation. That's the only thing I can come up with. So much of what they purport to be against, Reagan did. He ran from terrorists, he raised taxes, he ran deficits, etc

He brought a healthy dose of nationalism back to America after several years of us getting our butts handed to us by the Soviet Union. That's why I like him.


Yeah, Reagan was really loving America when he sold weapons to his terrorist buddies in Islamic Jihad, armed nun killing death squads in Central America, and sold chemical weapons ingredients to his pal Saddam Hussein.
 
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