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(Huffington Post)   Driving the wrong way on a one way road? That's 28 bullets in the body and 40 years in prison   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 86
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2013-03-17 02:56:12 AM
DWB
 
2013-03-17 03:02:00 AM
Indeed, when will people learn to stop driving while black?
 
2013-03-17 08:43:49 AM
Driving in LA?
 
2013-03-17 08:44:21 AM
No professional courtesy?

He must have been behind in his tribute payments.
 
2013-03-17 08:49:06 AM
Wait I thought these people were the paragons of virtue and that we could trust them to only have our best interests in mind.
 
2013-03-17 08:49:30 AM
Once of the few times where The Untouchables reference would be accurate and ironic.
 
2013-03-17 08:50:47 AM
This is older than that moldy thing the the back of bachelor's fridge.

And also reeks of the the killing of the officer from season one of 'the shield', except done more stupidly.

Of course being chicago police officers, nothing wrong was done.

/Are we done here.
 
2013-03-17 08:51:44 AM
He was coming right at them.
 
2013-03-17 08:51:50 AM
The white cops took the black guy's gun and shot at themselves with it?

C'mon journalists - there must have been a BIT of ballistics evidence here.
 
2013-03-17 08:52:19 AM
Howard Morgan's van was crushed and destroyed without notice or cause before any forensic investigation could be done.
...
Howard Morgan was never tested for gun residue to confirm if he even fired a weapon on the morning in question.

The State never produced the actual bullet proof vest worn by one of the officers who claimed to have allegedly taken a shot directly into the vest on the morning in question. The State only produced a replica.


WTF?
 
2013-03-17 08:53:25 AM
So they can't find the bullet proof vests with slugs in them the cops were wearing and they crushed the guys van and they never checked for powder residue on him. Come on. He's still guilty driving while black.
 
2013-03-17 08:53:55 AM
Normally I am leading the charge on cop bashing, but all we have here is one side of the story.
The police say he shot first, what evidence was presented to show this?
When they say he was left for dead do they mean they just left him there or that they assumed he was dead and stopped firing?
 
2013-03-17 08:54:02 AM
Must have been named or looked like Dorner
 
2013-03-17 08:55:27 AM
Occupy wrote on their website, adding that Morgan was found not guilty on three counts, including discharging his weapon. The same jury that cleared him of opening fire on the officers, however, deadlocked on a charge of attempted murder -- and another jury found him guilty in January.

WTF? This is the heart of the State's case against him, right? That he attempted to use his weapon to kill the four officers? If there was no murder or attempted murder (because he didn't discharge his weapon) then what is the jury confused about?
 
2013-03-17 08:56:14 AM
The article wasn't very clear.  What color were the offending officers?  What color was the cop that was shot.  These are important questions and the article NEVER once brought up color to suggest something.
 
2013-03-17 08:57:31 AM
You're the jerk... jerk
Normally I am leading the charge on cop bashing, but all we have here is one side of the story.
The police say he shot first, what evidence was presented to show this?
When they say he was left for dead do they mean they just left him there or that they assumed he was dead and stopped firing?


Clearly this is a conspiracy by hippies to makes legit cops look bad.

Are we good?
 
2013-03-17 08:59:03 AM
Posted: 04/ 3/2012 1:39 pm Updated: 04/ 5/2012 4:43 pm

Wow. He got the 40 years, and the change.org petition is woefully unsupported
 
2013-03-17 09:00:10 AM
That's what he gets for being black I guess.
 
2013-03-17 09:02:09 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: That's what he gets for being black I guess.


and all they wanted was 40 acres and a mule.
 
2013-03-17 09:06:34 AM

NutWrench: Occupy wrote on their website, adding that Morgan was found not guilty on three counts, including discharging his weapon. The same jury that cleared him of opening fire on the officers, however, deadlocked on a charge of attempted murder -- and another jury found him guilty in January.

WTF? This is the heart of the State's case against him, right? That he attempted to use his weapon to kill the four officers? If there was no murder or attempted murder (because he didn't discharge his weapon) then what is the jury confused about?


TFA says:

The same jury that cleared him of opening fire on the officers, however, deadlocked on a charge of attempted murder -- and another jury found him guilty in January.

That jury was not allowed to hear that Morgan had been acquitted of the other charges.

 so they were not confused -- they made their evaluation of truth based on what was presented
shame on the Judge for excluding this information, let alone not dismissing the case
 
2013-03-17 09:09:25 AM

Horsebolt McStabledoor: NutWrench: Occupy wrote on their website, adding that Morgan was found not guilty on three counts, including discharging his weapon. The same jury that cleared him of opening fire on the officers, however, deadlocked on a charge of attempted murder -- and another jury found him guilty in January.

WTF? This is the heart of the State's case against him, right? That he attempted to use his weapon to kill the four officers? If there was no murder or attempted murder (because he didn't discharge his weapon) then what is the jury confused about?


oh yah, nevermind, how was the original jury deadlocked when they acquitted him on even discharging his weapon
unless the attempted murder was cause he was using his mind

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2013-03-17 09:10:28 AM
That does sound terrible.

However, we don't know the whole story. And I'm tired of "don't-forget-to-be-outraged-by-this" journalism.
 
2013-03-17 09:10:57 AM
Can we drop the black and white shiat?

If anyone, male or female, latino, asian, black or white, midget or tall, crosses that blue line, they will get crossed.

/Racial goldstein award for the next pic that includes watermelon.
 
2013-03-17 09:18:36 AM

Enemabag Jones: You're the jerk... jerk
Normally I am leading the charge on cop bashing, but all we have here is one side of the story.
The police say he shot first, what evidence was presented to show this?
When they say he was left for dead do they mean they just left him there or that they assumed he was dead and stopped firing?

Clearly this is a conspiracy by hippies to makes legit cops look bad.

Are we good?


I am not sold either way. I think it is really weird the first jury found him not guilty of discharging a firearm but deadlocked on attempted murder. I would love to know how they came to that conclusion.

Like I said I am not a cop defender. I just want to understand this better than Huffington Post/Occupy are presenting.
 
2013-03-17 09:21:31 AM
Cops, criminals, and rich people only, should be allowed arms.
 
2013-03-17 09:25:10 AM

opiumpoopy: The white cops took the black guy's gun and shot at themselves with it?

C'mon journalists - there must have been a BIT of ballistics evidence here.


That article is f*cking terrible. I can't tell if I'm supposed to be outraged over what appears to be a gross miscarriage of justice or what is obviously a gross miscarriage of journalism.
 
2013-03-17 09:32:36 AM
LOL Blue state justice!
 
2013-03-17 09:34:42 AM
Every other story I can find about this says that three of the cops were shot. Smells like manufactured outrage to me.
 
2013-03-17 09:36:41 AM
For those confused. You can get an attempted murder charge if you attempt to ram the officers car. Could be why the jury dead locked. But I do not know the details.
 
2013-03-17 09:37:19 AM

Another Government Employee: No professional courtesy?

He must have been behind in his tribute payments.


'Real' cops don't realize that the 'fake' rail cops have as much or more power then they do, and assume they're nothing more than a security guard. Rail police have state police powers at minimum, but in every jurisdiction the railroad operates in, for all crimes local, state, or federal.

I once watched a rail cop have to handcuff a local cop at gunpoint. The local decided to trespass and break into a building looking for homeless people, then refuse to leave. The phrase "fark you, I'm not done in here. If you farking say another word I'll.." were the clincher.
 
2013-03-17 09:40:44 AM
perhaps this is the case that inspired the new ex-cop 102 bullets into a truck / burn the guy alive in a house instead of taking him to court law.
 
2013-03-17 09:40:51 AM
The police story doesn't even make sense. What possible motivation could the guy have had to open fire?
 
2013-03-17 09:41:15 AM
These are the people you want to trust with an AWB?

They cannot be trusted at all.

Police have no problems with killing minorities
 
2013-03-17 09:43:03 AM

NutWrench: WTF? This is the heart of the State's case against him, right? That he attempted to use his weapon to kill the four officers? If there was no murder or attempted murder (because he didn't discharge his weapon) then what is the jury confused about?


Yeah, I think we aren't getting the whole story here.
 
2013-03-17 09:43:52 AM
This sentence happened in April of last year. Pretty sure there was a thread about this back then.

Here is a link that actually says that Morgan shot the cops.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/04/05/former-railroad-cop-to-be-sent e nced-on-conviction-of-shooting-at-police/
 
2013-03-17 09:44:11 AM
This sounds horrible, in have to wonder if there is something being left out.
 
2013-03-17 09:45:25 AM
wait, what?

According to police, Morgan opened fire with his service weapon when officers tried to arrest him, which caused them to shoot him 28 times

ok, surely there is physical evidence if he fired his gun?

 Morgan was found not guilty on three counts, including discharging his weapon.

ok, so far so good...

The same jury that cleared him of opening fire on the officers, however, deadlocked on a charge of attempted murder

wut


 and another jury found him guilty in January.

That jury was not allowed to hear that Morgan had been acquitted of the other charges.


 so if this reporting is accurate (and who the fark knows), the first jury found him not guilty of discharging he weapon, but couldn't decide if he tried to murder the cops, and a second jury convicted him ithout knowing he was acquitted of the original charge?
 
2013-03-17 09:49:19 AM
Wait, wait - hold up. This guy was shot 28 times or  shot at 28 times? If the former, how.in.the.holy.hell did he survive? Were they aiming at his pinky toes?!?
 
2013-03-17 09:51:04 AM

onyxruby: This sounds horrible, in have to wonder if there is something being left out.


This is just a biased hit piece. Every other source that isn't huffpo actually mentions the fact that the cops were shot.
 
2013-03-17 10:02:16 AM
Chicago? Nuff said.


Article reeks.
 
2013-03-17 10:04:02 AM
One of the original threads was #7031829
 
2013-03-17 10:07:00 AM
So...

1) they don't have any evidence that he fired a gun because they didn't test his hands for gun powder residue.

2) they don't have proof that he hit one of the office because they never produced the actual bullet proof vest worn by one of the officers who claimed to have allegedly taken a shot directly into the vest.

3) they can't contradict any statement by the defense about the officers' shooting pattern because they destroyed his van without a forensic investigation.

Questions....

1) Do they have Morgan's gun? Was it fired?

2) Where any of the officers hurt by gunfire? Was it from Morgan's gun? Could he have hit the officer from where he was parked?
 
2013-03-17 10:08:03 AM

Benjamin Orr: onyxruby: This sounds horrible, in have to wonder if there is something being left out.

This is just a biased hit piece. Every other source that isn't huffpo actually mentions the fact that the cops were shot.


I dunno.  I have gone through about 15 articles now and I cannot find a single one that mentions evidence that he shot at anyone.  There is no ballistic evidence.  They did not check him for powder residue.  They cannot produce the "hit" bullet-proof vests.  The only witness that came forward claimed that the defendant never discharged his firearm.

I am not claiming he is innocent or that there is any racism involved here.  But that is one ginormous clusterfark when it comes to collecting and maintaining evidence.
 
2013-03-17 10:09:22 AM

doosh: Wait, wait - hold up. This guy was shot 28 times or  shot at 28 times? If the former, how.in.the.holy.hell did he survive? Were they aiming at his pinky toes?!?


He had 28 gunshot wounds according to the doctor who treated him.  The police only recovered 3 of the bullets.
 
2013-03-17 10:10:19 AM

stirfrybry: The police story doesn't even make sense. What possible motivation could the guy have had to open fire?


What possible motivation would four cops have had to open fire on someone they pulled over for a traffic violation?
 
2013-03-17 10:13:00 AM

omnimancer28: Benjamin Orr: onyxruby: This sounds horrible, in have to wonder if there is something being left out.

This is just a biased hit piece. Every other source that isn't huffpo actually mentions the fact that the cops were shot.

I dunno.  I have gone through about 15 articles now and I cannot find a single one that mentions evidence that he shot at anyone.  There is no ballistic evidence.  They did not check him for powder residue.  They cannot produce the "hit" bullet-proof vests.  The only witness that came forward claimed that the defendant never discharged his firearm.

I am not claiming he is innocent or that there is any racism involved here.  But that is one ginormous clusterfark when it comes to collecting and maintaining evidence.


You must be reading different links than me then. They don't mention ballistic tests but they do mention the other cops being shot and taken to the hospital to get the bullets taken out.

ffs even the wiki page says that
 
2013-03-17 10:16:28 AM

omnimancer28: Benjamin Orr: onyxruby: This sounds horrible, in have to wonder if there is something being left out.

This is just a biased hit piece. Every other source that isn't huffpo actually mentions the fact that the cops were shot.

I dunno.  I have gone through about 15 articles now and I cannot find a single one that mentions evidence that he shot at anyone.  There is no ballistic evidence.  They did not check him for powder residue.  They cannot produce the "hit" bullet-proof vests.  The only witness that came forward claimed that the defendant never discharged his firearm.

I am not claiming he is innocent or that there is any racism involved here.  But that is one ginormous clusterfark when it comes to collecting and maintaining evidence.


It's almost, as if, there was no incentive to do their jobs. Maybe we need to pay these heroes more?
 
2013-03-17 10:17:04 AM

omnimancer28: doosh: Wait, wait - hold up. This guy was shot 28 times or  shot at 28 times? If the former, how.in.the.holy.hell did he survive? Were they aiming at his pinky toes?!?

He had 28 gunshot wounds according to the doctor who treated him.  The police only recovered 3 of the bullets.


No-fly list for sure.
 
2013-03-17 10:17:31 AM
Officer Eric White told the judge he drove his wounded partner, Officer Nicholas Olsen, to the hospital.

"By the grace of God, all of us, including Howard Morgan, survived that morning," he read from a victim-impact statement.

"The bullet fragment in my leg doesn't really bother me. The one I heard and felt whiz past my left ear that gives me nightmares, and watching as he shot John Wrigley in the chest will torment me forever," he read.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/11730457-418/40-years-in-prison-fo r -man-shot-28-times-by-chicago-cops.html
 
2013-03-17 10:21:06 AM

opiumpoopy: The white cops took the black guy's gun and shot at themselves with it?

C'mon journalists - there must have been a BIT of ballistics evidence here.


""Howard Morgan was never tested for gun residue to confirm if he even fired a weapon on the morning in question.

The State never produced the actual bullet proof vest worn by one of the officers who claimed to have allegedly taken a shot directly into the vest on the morning in question. The State only produced a replica."
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