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2013-03-17 08:26:31 AM
I got annoyed every time my Android tablet would tell me about mandatory updates for all these services I didn't use or want.  I tried to delete all of them, and I did, but then Android would keep putting notification messages up telling me UPDATE NOW!

I recently tried Google Drive, though, and as a drop-box backup for my photos (and a spot where my folks can get get at them on the other side of the world to make prints) and to have them across all my devices is pretty damn handy. Maybe I should give more of Google's services a try.
 
2013-03-17 08:40:11 AM
Only one that really annoys me is the upcoming demise of Google Reader. There just isn't another online RSS reader that is as good. Every other one I try is just weighted down with feature bloat and advertisements.
 
2013-03-17 08:42:52 AM
I love the new tactic Google+ is using to artificially inflate their numbers: Now, if you want to shut your phone the fark up about asking you to rate the latest app you installed on an Android phone, you have to get a Google+ account to do so.  If that's not a reason to not rate apps, I don't know what is.
 
2013-03-17 08:44:37 AM
Google is all in on Google Plus, and will kill other services at will if they think it'll drive people to start using Google Plus.

Here's an interesting article on how Google Reader is still driving way more traffic to websites than Google Plus is.
 
2013-03-17 08:45:02 AM

Shadowknight: I recently tried Google Drive, though, and as a drop-box backup for my photos (and a spot where my folks can get get at them on the other side of the world to make prints) and to have them across all my devices is pretty damn handy. Maybe I should give more of Google's services a try.


Based on this post I just checked out Google Drive.

There were already 3 Google Documents in the damn thing that a friend had showed me 5 years ago, and another list of almost every Google Doc I had ever even opened. Kinda creepy.
 
2013-03-17 08:53:20 AM
"Diversification" is the STD that will eventually cause corporate America's dick to rot and fall off.
 
2013-03-17 08:58:49 AM

Jensaarai: Based on this post I just checked out Google Drive.


Drive is great if you're a student.  Prolly fairly worthless for any kind of business-level layout work beyond writing memos, though.
 
2013-03-17 09:05:09 AM

jake_lex: Google is all in on Google Plus, and will kill other services at will if they think it'll drive people to start using Google Plus.

Here's an interesting article on how Google Reader is still driving way more traffic to websites than Google Plus is.


I guess I understand their motivation, but I'm not going to start using Google+ because they killed off Reader, I'm just going to find another RSS reader replacement and continue with what I'm used to. How does Google+ fill the void anyhow? I like RSS for keeping up with new posts rather than constantly checking dozens of sites a day.
 
2013-03-17 09:25:18 AM
I'll just have to go back to individual RSS feed readers.

I sure as fk am not installing Goog Plus. I got enough Goog as it is.
 
2013-03-17 09:29:46 AM

Z-clipped: Jensaarai: Based on this post I just checked out Google Drive.

Drive is great if you're a student.  Prolly fairly worthless for any kind of business-level layout work beyond writing memos, though.


I don't know, I use the drive office apps for almost everything except official documentation, which we have a wiki for.  Even so, from the wiki I link to all sorts of things in the equivalent drive project folder.

I also use the spreadsheet extensively for scripting.
 
2013-03-17 09:34:56 AM
So what are the best alternatives to Reader?  After reading several articles, the best I've managed to find is Feedly.  However, its tablet interface sucks since it insists on some sort of "magazine" view that makes it so only three or four headlines are visible at a time.  Even changing the options doesn't seem to do much.
 
2013-03-17 09:37:52 AM
The are also getting rid of  igoogle, which bums me out.  It's great for scanning Fark headlines while at work.
 
2013-03-17 09:52:50 AM

Gunther: Only one that really annoys me is the upcoming demise of Google Reader. There just isn't another online RSS reader that is as good. Every other one I try is just weighted down with feature bloat and advertisements.


What do people use instead of RSS these days? Do they check websites manually to see if there is a new post ... like we did back in 1995?

I have been using feeds for over 10 years and cannot for the life of me understand why Google and Apple would drop built-in browser support.
 
2013-03-17 09:53:31 AM
Has anyone tried bloglines.com?  I have been using it for years (and they kept the interface the same after being bought by MerchantCircle, whatever that is).  I read about 50 different blogs, most of which are sporadic.
 
2013-03-17 09:54:12 AM
I actually liked iGoogle
 
2013-03-17 09:54:47 AM
Companies keep trying to come up with ways to channel, divert, restrict the user experience to get users to buy their content. Windows 8 drove me to Linux, if Google farks it up I'll be running Linux on a tablet.
 
2013-03-17 09:56:22 AM
No more porn in my GIS?

Google Fap 2001-2012
 
2013-03-17 10:03:07 AM

december: Gunther: Only one that really annoys me is the upcoming demise of Google Reader. There just isn't another online RSS reader that is as good. Every other one I try is just weighted down with feature bloat and advertisements.

What do people use instead of RSS these days? Do they check websites manually to see if there is a new post ... like we did back in 1995?

I have been using feeds for over 10 years and cannot for the life of me understand why Google and Apple would drop built-in browser support.


Everybody is hitching their wagon to Twitter and Facebook for content now.  This way, instead of pulling the headlines you want, they can push more targeted ads in between choice articles.
 
2013-03-17 10:06:42 AM

NeoCortex42: Everybody is hitching their wagon to Twitter and Facebook for content now.  This way, instead of pulling the headlines you want, they can push more targeted ads in between choice articles.


so, in order to find out if someone has a new blog post i need to subscribe to hear about what they are having for breakfast. Fu`c`k that.
 
2013-03-17 10:07:02 AM
I still hate Google Plus.. It's such a convoluted clusterfark of shiat shoved at you. There really is nothing social about it in the Facebook sense.. It's like if Facebook and LinkedIn had a baby and Blogger was really the father..
 
2013-03-17 10:13:13 AM

styckx: I still hate Google Plus.. It's such a convoluted clusterfark of shiat shoved at you. There really is nothing social about it in the Facebook sense.. It's like if Facebook and LinkedIn had a baby and Blogger was really the father..


I canceled G+ after it hijacked my Picassa account. Sorry Google ... I don't want my name attached to every picture I share on the internet.

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-03-17 10:22:49 AM

december: NeoCortex42: Everybody is hitching their wagon to Twitter and Facebook for content now.  This way, instead of pulling the headlines you want, they can push more targeted ads in between choice articles.

so, in order to find out if someone has a new blog post i need to subscribe to hear about what they are having for breakfast. Fu`c`k that.


That's why I'm sticking with RSS, it's old tech but it works. I just want to scan for new posts quickly, not get an overload of useless information that these 'social' based services want to throw at you.
 
2013-03-17 10:26:04 AM

pyrotek85: december: NeoCortex42: Everybody is hitching their wagon to Twitter and Facebook for content now.  This way, instead of pulling the headlines you want, they can push more targeted ads in between choice articles.

so, in order to find out if someone has a new blog post i need to subscribe to hear about what they are having for breakfast. Fu`c`k that.

That's why I'm sticking with RSS, it's old tech but it works. I just want to scan for new posts quickly, not get an overload of useless information that these 'social' based services want to throw at you.


I want to continue to use RSS as well, but can't find a service as simplified and useful as Reader yet.  Feedly does most of what I want, but I really hate its tablet layout.
 
2013-03-17 10:37:54 AM

NeoCortex42: pyrotek85: december: NeoCortex42: Everybody is hitching their wagon to Twitter and Facebook for content now.  This way, instead of pulling the headlines you want, they can push more targeted ads in between choice articles.

so, in order to find out if someone has a new blog post i need to subscribe to hear about what they are having for breakfast. Fu`c`k that.

That's why I'm sticking with RSS, it's old tech but it works. I just want to scan for new posts quickly, not get an overload of useless information that these 'social' based services want to throw at you.

I want to continue to use RSS as well, but can't find a service as simplified and useful as Reader yet.  Feedly does most of what I want, but I really hate its tablet layout.


Export your google feeds into an RSS (they call it a "check out" file) and then import into a Firefox plugin. I did the whole thing in Sage in less than 5 minutes. Sage might be the answer, or part of it. Looks good for browser, haven't solved yet for phone (though I already have an RSS Reader for phone I would be interested in one that pulled down more than just the headers for off-line e.g. airplane reading)
 
2013-03-17 10:41:13 AM

Generation_D: Export your google feeds into an RSS (they call it a "check out" file) and then import into a Firefox plugin. I did the whole thing in Sage in less than 5 minutes. Sage might be the answer, or part of it. Looks good for browser, haven't solved yet for phone (though I already have an RSS Reader for phone I would be interested in one that pulled down more than just the headers for off-line e.g. airplane reading)


Does it sync across devices?  One thing I like about Reader is that I can browse stories on my desktop and star things to read later on my tablet (or vice-versa).
 
2013-03-17 10:41:46 AM

Beta Tested: Z-clipped: Jensaarai: Based on this post I just checked out Google Drive.

Drive is great if you're a student.  Prolly fairly worthless for any kind of business-level layout work beyond writing memos, though.

I don't know, I use the drive office apps for almost everything except official documentation, which we have a wiki for.  Even so, from the wiki I link to all sorts of things in the equivalent drive project folder.

I also use the spreadsheet extensively for scripting.


Oh!  Well that's good to know.  Anything that cuts down on dead tree format is a good thing IMO.
 
2013-03-17 10:42:47 AM

Gunther: Only one that really annoys me is the upcoming demise of Google Reader. There just isn't another online RSS reader that is as good. Every other one I try is just weighted down with feature bloat and advertisements.


I'm surprised there hasn't been more uproar on Fark about this. Your google reader feads can give you statistics about how many people use them. For example

Talking Points Memo Subscribers: 76,603
Fark Subscribers                 38,560


I thought Fark had more traffic than TPM. But then again I wouldn't expect an audience which goes to the main page for stories about naked women being arrested for drunk driving lawnmowers to be that technically sophisticated.
 
2013-03-17 10:47:11 AM
For reading RSS, Firefox with the Sage add-on is great

In this screen shot I have about 2 dozen web sites, 20 article titles and 16 article summaries on screen at one time

lh5.googleusercontent.com


/ link
 
2013-03-17 10:50:53 AM
Since I want the RSS syncing I'll probably be stuck with Feedly as well. Google Reader acted as a backend to many RSS readers and plugins, but at least Feedly is making their own for when Reader dies.
 
2013-03-17 10:56:50 AM

Jensaarai: Based on this post I just checked out Google Drive.

There were already 3 Google Documents in the damn thing that a friend had showed me 5 years ago, and another list of almost every Google Doc I had ever even opened. Kinda creepy.


Well, you have to specify what you want the Drive to have access to.  For me, I put it specifically on my picture export folder (the ones done post-editing), but I keep the massive pile of RAW format files off.  I don't want to have to pay for more than 5gb right now, so it makes for a decent temporary backup and sharing spot until I get enough to back up onto a Bluray or a external drive.

But if you don't specify, it just decides it's going to put any picture, music, or video file on there to share.  It's a little creepy, yeah.
 
2013-03-17 11:01:40 AM
I still use rss in outlook 07
 
2013-03-17 11:02:53 AM

Z-clipped: Beta Tested: Z-clipped: Jensaarai: Based on this post I just checked out Google Drive.

Drive is great if you're a student.  Prolly fairly worthless for any kind of business-level layout work beyond writing memos, though.

I don't know, I use the drive office apps for almost everything except official documentation, which we have a wiki for.  Even so, from the wiki I link to all sorts of things in the equivalent drive project folder.

I also use the spreadsheet extensively for scripting.

Oh!  Well that's good to know.  Anything that cuts down on dead tree format is a good thing IMO.


Tree are specifically grown for just that purpose.
 
2013-03-17 11:12:08 AM
They already pulled Google Reader's Chrome extension. I found this out the hard way after doing a rebuild of my hard drive. It's simple and useful integration with Chrome was one of the primary reasons I used Chrome over Firefox. Hell, now even IE10 is looking better and better.

I'm giving Feedly a try but from what I've heard it's not a complete replacement. So far so good though I haven't installed it on my Android devices yet.

Like  jake_lex said, Google's going balls out with G+. They want everything in there. It's just another example of a company with a big idea that nobody really asked for or wanted then imposing it on their users. (See also Windows 8 and Metro.)

I was as big a G+ fan as anybody when it first came out but their inept implementation of communities (poorly moderated communities shiatting on my home stream with spam that still appears weeks after I left the community) and now their cancellation of Reader to presumably integrate it in G+ has really put me off using Google services. Even the friend of mine who gave me a G+ invite and was practically a G+ evangelist deleted his account altogether after it took over his Picasa account.
 
2013-03-17 11:20:14 AM
avalanche: It's its

goddammit, FTFM
 
2013-03-17 11:21:31 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Z-clipped: Beta Tested: Z-clipped: Jensaarai: Based on this post I just checked out Google Drive.

Drive is great if you're a student.  Prolly fairly worthless for any kind of business-level layout work beyond writing memos, though.

I don't know, I use the drive office apps for almost everything except official documentation, which we have a wiki for.  Even so, from the wiki I link to all sorts of things in the equivalent drive project folder.

I also use the spreadsheet extensively for scripting.

Oh!  Well that's good to know.  Anything that cuts down on dead tree format is a good thing IMO.

Tree are specifically grown for just that purpose.


Yeah, but I be losin' shiat like a muthafarker.  Plus, paper is heavy.
 
2013-03-17 11:46:32 AM
Here's a list of possible Google Reader replacements:

http://list.ly/list/33u-google-reader-alternatives-crowdsourced-list

Out of the bunch I've looked at so far,  http://theoldreader.com/  looks the most promising, especially for us who want a web based viewer across multiple devices.
 
2013-03-17 11:50:17 AM

Beretta3000: Here's a list of possible Google Reader replacements:

http://list.ly/list/33u-google-reader-alternatives-crowdsourced-list

Out of the bunch I've looked at so far,  http://theoldreader.com/  looks the most promising, especially for us who want a web based viewer across multiple devices.


Thanks, giving it a shot. Might be a while though lol

There are 38629 users in the import queue ahead of you.
 
2013-03-17 12:26:19 PM
I loved Google Notebook.  It thought it was a great way of saving and tracking stuff I found on the web.  Very sad it disappeared.
 
2013-03-17 12:31:33 PM
I found out a month too late that you could get Google Apps for Business for free for up to ten users. That would have been great in my household. Bummer that I missed it.

Please, never kill Google Docs -- at least not the spreadsheet bit. Nothing beats it for collaborative spreadsheet work, if your sheet isn't too complicated.
 
2013-03-17 12:54:52 PM

Nuclear Monk: The are also getting rid of  igoogle, which bums me out.  It's great for scanning Fark headlines while at work.


I am going to miss iGoogle.  I actually use it for work. I like having all those apps and readers on one page.  Is there a similar replacement?
 
2013-03-17 01:15:47 PM

kibbled: I am going to miss iGoogle. I actually use it for work. I like having all those apps and readers on one page. Is there a similar replacement?


You might like Netvibes
 
2013-03-17 01:20:33 PM
There is a business opportunity to be exploited here.  Let Google spend all the money on service R&D; just watch what they do and build a workalike version of things that they release.

Then, when Google decides their product is no longer viable and announces it will be shut down, you'll have millions of new customers ready to switch to your version of it.

Bonus irony points if you monetize your services using DoubleClick and AdWords.
 
2013-03-17 01:42:10 PM
No love for my personal favorite, GOOG 411. When I was trucking it was a reliable friend in unfamiliar cities. Now there isn't even a grave marker so I can leave a flower. I'll raise a glass to it at a dive bar to be named later.
 
2013-03-17 02:47:23 PM

styckx: I still hate Google Plus.. It's such a convoluted clusterfark of shiat shoved at you. There really is nothing social about it in the Facebook sense.. It's like if Facebook and LinkedIn had a baby and Blogger was really the father..


It's actually really elegant to use and the way posts work I've found a lot of interesting content and even had meaningful discussions with people outside my personal circles.
 
2013-03-17 04:14:15 PM
NeoCortex42
Does it sync across devices? One thing I like about Reader is that I can browse stories on my desktop and star things to read later on my tablet (or vice-versa).


I'm really tempted to roll my own.
Some years ago I already wrote a proxy service that could collect RSS feeds from password-protected forums (think warez boards where some areas/subforums are only visible if you log in with an account) and I have a nice idea about syncing across devices that wouldn't depend on some single service that might close shop.

"Only" problem:
it would require writing a client for all devices.
I mean, a Java client, while not ideal, would take care of all the desktops and maybe Android with a different UI (AFAIK Android apps can be written in Java), but iDevices would need something of their own.

That's why making it a webservice/site is so tempting:
write it once and it works everywhere and people can use their preferred RSS reader.
But then you have server costs and the same problem of people having to rely on a service that might go away
/hmm, I could say "fark the UI" and extend the proxy approach..let it run as a local service that does the syncing and collecting and the user's favorite RSS client connect to localhost with the URL of the feed as a parameter...not doing an UI would make "clients for all devices" a lot easier..
 
2013-03-17 05:05:10 PM

The Voice of Doom: That's why making it a webservice/site is so tempting:
write it once and it works everywhere and people can use their preferred RSS reader.


I wonder if this Google Reader situation might be an opportunity.

Create a website and some protocols/webservices that allows people to have a combined blogging tool, RSS reader and a mini-RSS for short messages. People can post photos of their lunch (as blog posts), do what twitter does, and it's all based on open protocols and all that users have to do is buy a domain and hosting (or maybe we'll see services created for it).

Who's with me?
 
2013-03-17 05:18:40 PM

The Voice of Doom: it would require writing a client for all devices.


I'm curious how it would sync across all devices without having a back end of some kind, which just gets you right back into the "I need a server". Were I to implement such a thing, I'd use a web service layer, fronted by device-specific applications.
 
2013-03-17 05:50:16 PM
Why "Just Store the App Data on Dropbox" won't work for RSS readers

Weird that I came across this article just the other day...  note the last line.

Nobody wants to build and run this because there's no money in it.
 
2013-03-17 05:57:26 PM
t3knomanser
I'm curious how it would sync across all devices without having a back end of some kind, which just gets you right back into the "I need a server".


Well, it would have a backend "of some kind", just not one that relies on a single service provider.
My idea was to (ab)use some wildly available basic service like email for that:
let the user supply an email account with pop3/smtp and use an email with a special, easily identified, "secret" subject line (like a hash generated from a user-supplied password (*)) to synchronize the current status of subscriptions.
If your mail provider closes shop, you switch to another one (or you could run your own server).

--
(*) or say "fark security" and just generate the hash using the email password as a random component
 
2013-03-17 06:40:51 PM

The Voice of Doom: My idea was to (ab)use some wildly available basic service like email for that:


Please never do that. If you're going to abuse a ubiquitous service, look at something like WebDAV instead. But if you want to be really future proof, look at distributed systems. Something P2P. It'd be a lot more work, but way more scaleable.

Or, FOSS your web service and build it in a technology that can be easily hosted in a variety of environments.
 
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