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2013-03-17 01:56:11 PM  
I'm calling it first.

We are in a wine "bubble."
 
2013-03-17 03:31:36 PM  

Johnsnownw: I like the plug for Missouri, the state I grew up in. The winery that is 5 miles from the house I grew up in produces a fantastic seasonal wine:

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I will also say that the majority of the wine they make is not to my taste...but people seem to like it.


There are a lot of great wineries in that area.

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This was the third-largest winery in the world prior to prohibition.  I love a good Norton and they produce some of the best.
 
2013-03-17 04:00:31 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: I'm calling it first.

We are in a wine "bubble."


We've been in a wine bubble for some time now.  I believe we've had a huge number of crops but with the recession and general economic malaise, wine sales haven't been as strong.
 
2013-03-17 04:28:16 PM  

flucto: Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.

Right. Cause there's no crappy French wine. Right.


I spent a week in Paris trying to find bad wine.  I failed.  Drank the cheapest shiat I could find most of the time, and not a drop was bad.  Had a couple 3 Euro bottles that were pretty goddamn good, even.  Had the cheapest wine on the menu at restaurants, always decent.

Meanwhile, in the US, you can buy $10 bottles of California wine all day and you'd be lucky to bat .500, decent-versus-crap.

/ What the fark is that weird chemical flavor so many US wines have?
// At least the reds usually mostly cover it up, but it ruins just about all of our whites IMO, assuming their cloying sweetness didn't ruin them first.
/// Thought I hated white wine, turns out I hate US white wine
 
2013-03-17 04:36:29 PM  

Slartibartfaster: I hate America, rather fond of many americans though

The best beer in the world is from Oregon USA
The best wine in the world is from California USA

I don't get all this America bashing, Id rather bash them for other stuff, but ... their wine and beer is superb.

// Love france but their wine is over valued over inflated watery crap

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Not even remotely the best beer or brewery in the US.
 
2013-03-17 04:40:24 PM  

Slartibartfaster: I hate America, rather fond of many americans though

The best beer in the world is from Oregon USA
The best wine in the world is from California USA

I don't get all this America bashing, Id rather bash them for other stuff, but ... their wine and beer is superb.

// Love france but their wine is over valued over inflated watery crap

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[www.cheapowino.com image 370x516]


Came here to share some love for Lodi wines, am pleased to see that I am beaten to the punch. :)

Also, for good history and the production of French and American wines, look up "Oz and James's Big Wine Adventure," not sure if available on Netflix or what, was originally aired on BBC. James May (of Top Gear fame) and Oz Clarke (well-known British wine snob- err, connoisseur) tour the famous wine-growing provinces of France in series 1, and in series 2 they go up and down California's coastline searching for the "drinking man's" wine; tasty, but inexpensive. Not everyone's cup of tea (glass of wine?), but it's got a lot of fun information on the entire process that goes into grape-growing and wine-making, and the vast differences between French and California (US in general, I suppose) styles.

/I laughed when they got a bottle of garlic wine in Gilroy
//that was definitely a wine made on a dare :D
 
2013-03-17 05:11:29 PM  

SquiggsIN: Boomerang: Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.

obligatory : you know what old gym socks taste like?

on a side note.  why are there so many ignorant anti-france Americans?  This country wouldn't even exist without France.


Damn straight... if it weren't for the French we'd all be speaking English today.

By the way... why did the French peasants execute the government that helped us anyway?
 
2013-03-17 05:16:56 PM  

Omnivorous: An American friend is helping develop China's viniculture.  He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and says, "The vineyard that we're developing with the Chinese has more capacity than the entire Kiwi wine industry."


I hope they succeed.  The few Chinese wines I've had have been absolutely atrocious -- like muddy fruit juice with a shot of grain alcohol.  But once the Chinese get hold of something, they will work at it relentlessly until they're the best -- like ice skating, for example.  Twenty years from now, Chinese wines are going to be winning international competitions.  And they will probably bring prices down worldwide.
 
2013-03-17 05:18:41 PM  

fallingcow: / What the fark is that weird chemical flavor so many US wines have?
// At least the reds usually mostly cover it up, but it ruins just about all of our whites IMO, assuming their cloying sweetness didn't ruin them first.
/// Thought I hated white wine, turns out I hate US white wine


Where do you live? If it's far from where your wine comes from, it might have started going bad during shipment, especially during warm months. Alternately, if you just don't drink fast enough, maybe you're tasting the vinegar that wine turns into as it's exposed to air? White wine breaks down much more quickly than red. The only other possible taste in everything I can think of is sulfur, which is used less often and is lesser quantities in European wine; maybe you're more sensitive to the taste than most people.
 
2013-03-17 05:22:36 PM  
Also, I love the amazing quality and variety of wine available less than three hours from my home along central and northern California, but damned if it's painfully difficult to find a good dry earthy wine anyplace specializing in local wine. I know of a grand total of 2 or 3 wineries that make something outside of "big and jammy" to "bigger and jammier", although I still have a ways to go. Warm weather's put me in a hankering for thin wine, and the West Coast really does not deliver.

Also, it's freaking impossible to find anything from the rest of the country, despite being able to get wine from any other corner of the world. West Coasters are serious snobs about their position in US winemaking and refuse to import anything from New York, Missouri, or any other large wine regions.
 
2013-03-17 05:38:01 PM  

ronaprhys: StoPPeRmobile: I'm calling it first.

We are in a wine "bubble."

We've been in a wine bubble for some time now.  I believe we've had a huge number of crops but with the recession and general economic malaise, wine sales haven't been as strong.




I'm just waiting for the takeovers and government bailouts.
 
2013-03-17 05:42:01 PM  

foxyshadis: fallingcow: / What the fark is that weird chemical flavor so many US wines have?
// At least the reds usually mostly cover it up, but it ruins just about all of our whites IMO, assuming their cloying sweetness didn't ruin them first.
/// Thought I hated white wine, turns out I hate US white wine

Where do you live? If it's far from where your wine comes from, it might have started going bad during shipment, especially during warm months. Alternately, if you just don't drink fast enough, maybe you're tasting the vinegar that wine turns into as it's exposed to air? White wine breaks down much more quickly than red. The only other possible taste in everything I can think of is sulfur, which is used less often and is lesser quantities in European wine; maybe you're more sensitive to the taste than most people.


Missouri :-(

To be fair, I haven't been to California since I've been old enough to drink.  Maybe it is a travel issue?  Seems unlikely, since Argentinian, South African, and European wines never have that flavor.  Well, Italian whites sometimes do, but other than that it's just California, it seems.

Does sulfur in wine come off tasting like a kind subtly tart bathroom cleaning product?  Maybe it is a sulfur sensitivity issue, and it's not that the wines are as bad as they seem to me so much as that I'm incompatible with them.  If so, that blows.
 
2013-03-17 06:03:15 PM  

SquiggsIN: Boomerang: Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.

obligatory : you know what old gym socks taste like?

on a side note.  why are there so many ignorant anti-france Americans?  This country wouldn't even exist without France.


And France wouldn't exist without the United States.

Twice.
 
2013-03-17 06:37:51 PM  

fallingcow: foxyshadis: fallingcow: / What the fark is that weird chemical flavor so many US wines have?
// At least the reds usually mostly cover it up, but it ruins just about all of our whites IMO, assuming their cloying sweetness didn't ruin them first.
/// Thought I hated white wine, turns out I hate US white wine

Where do you live? If it's far from where your wine comes from, it might have started going bad during shipment, especially during warm months. Alternately, if you just don't drink fast enough, maybe you're tasting the vinegar that wine turns into as it's exposed to air? White wine breaks down much more quickly than red. The only other possible taste in everything I can think of is sulfur, which is used less often and is lesser quantities in European wine; maybe you're more sensitive to the taste than most people.

Missouri :-(

To be fair, I haven't been to California since I've been old enough to drink.  Maybe it is a travel issue?  Seems unlikely, since Argentinian, South African, and European wines never have that flavor.  Well, Italian whites sometimes do, but other than that it's just California, it seems.

Does sulfur in wine come off tasting like a kind subtly tart bathroom cleaning product?  Maybe it is a sulfur sensitivity issue, and it's not that the wines are as bad as they seem to me so much as that I'm incompatible with them.  If so, that blows.


Same for me too.

I always chocked it up to sulfites.
 
2013-03-17 07:03:32 PM  
The article says there are wineries in Alaska.  How do they do it?  Grow grapes in greenhouses?
 
2013-03-17 07:05:34 PM  

on the road: Omnivorous: An American friend is helping develop China's viniculture.  He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and says, "The vineyard that we're developing with the Chinese has more capacity than the entire Kiwi wine industry."

I hope they succeed.  The few Chinese wines I've had have been absolutely atrocious -- like muddy fruit juice with a shot of grain alcohol.  But once the Chinese get hold of something, they will work at it relentlessly until they're the best -- like ice skating, for example.  Twenty years from now, Chinese wines are going to be winning international competitions.  And they will probably bring prices down worldwide.


Here is the first shift of elite workers arriving at a local vineyard. Notice the quaint grape-stomping costume.
www.chinadaily.com.cn
 
2013-03-17 10:25:37 PM  

ronaprhys: StoPPeRmobile: I'm calling it first.

We are in a wine "bubble."

We've been in a wine bubble for some time now.  I believe we've had a huge number of crops but with the recession and general economic malaise, wine sales haven't been as strong.


The wine market isn't structured like the housing market. They just sell the top end grapes for lower prices, and sell them in different, cheaper, wines. $15 wine is the best it's ever been- if you notice a bottle from your standard mid range winery (most of which actually buy grapes from vineyards rather than growing their own) saying something like "vintner's reserve", that's a good sign there are better grapes in there.

You're not getting a bubble- they're reducing supply to meet demand rather than reducing price to maintain the same level of demand. They actually are adapting to the current market, they just don't really want you to realize that you can get the level of quality for $10 now that would have cost you $20 before.
 
2013-03-18 02:34:12 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: I'm calling it first.

We are in a wine "bubble."


Sounds like you've had too much champagne.
 
2013-03-18 05:45:19 AM  
Any of you lot ever try South African wines?
 
2013-03-18 08:27:05 AM  
FTFA:  I don't think anyone should think that American wine is necessarily inferior to, say, French or Italian.

I agree, French wine is vastly over-rated. Same with most things that come out of France. They build themselves up and hype themselves to the point everyone believes without question. They are also overly protective and are scared shiatless of competition.

You go to a French supermarket, you'll get a choice of 100 similar, soft cheeses. The only hard cheese you'll get is tasteless plastic stuff like Edam, Jahlsberg or Emmental. You won't get a sniff of a decent English hard cheese (Cheddar, Leicester, Gloucester etc etc. or the king of cheese Blue Stilton.
 
2013-03-18 10:37:47 AM  
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2013-03-18 01:15:47 PM  
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I saw a wino on the street eating grapes.  I told him, "Dude, you have to wait!"
 
2013-03-18 05:06:24 PM  

Slartibartfaster: I hate America, rather fond of many americans though

The best beer in the world is from Oregon USA
The best wine in the world is from California USA

I don't get all this America bashing, Id rather bash them for other stuff, but ... their wine and beer is superb.

// Love france but their wine is over valued over inflated watery crap

[theinterrobang.com image 850x700]

[www.cheapowino.com image 370x516]


I live close enough to the Rogue brewery to throw a rock at it.  Their hand crafted hazelnut rum is VERY good.  Their beer is overrated.
 
2013-03-18 09:18:28 PM  
I love my New York wines but Finger Lakes aren't local enough. I'm a lunch break away for Millbrook and often drink their whites.
 
2013-03-18 10:30:23 PM  
Is it bad that I'm just content with Manichewitz?

I mean, seriously. It's sweet, it's cheap, it's somewhat high in alcohol. In many ways, it's the perfect drink.
 
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