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2013-03-17 12:07:45 AM
In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.
 
2013-03-17 12:41:21 AM

Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.


Surely Arkansas wine isn't *that* bad.
 
2013-03-17 12:42:07 AM

Snarfangel: Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.

Surely Arkansas wine isn't *that* bad.


It will get you drunk and blind.
 
2013-03-17 01:17:40 AM
Wherever this shiat came from? Nuke it from orbit.

www.chocolatrougewine.com
 
2013-03-17 01:30:18 AM
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USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-03-17 01:59:27 AM

Revek: Over here we don't care we just want quantity.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2013-03-17 02:02:13 AM

L.D. Ablo: Revek: Over here we don't care we just want quantity.

You say that like it's a bad thing.


No!  Outta every 35,000 rednecks we get a brittany spears, quantity has a quality all its own.
 
2013-03-17 02:53:26 AM
We're doing the same with beer. Choke on a lager, Germany.
 
2013-03-17 03:50:04 AM

Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.


Right. Cause there's no crappy French wine. Right.
 
2013-03-17 04:07:32 AM

gameshowhost: Wherever this shiat came from? Nuke it from orbit.

[www.chocolatrougewine.com image 200x560]


Um yeah...who the fark sold/suggested you chocolate wine? Adding cocoa is a beer/liquor thing, can't imagine it as a wine thing.
/Bartends every now and then loves beer, not a wine fan. Rogue makes a decent chocolate stout though.
 
2013-03-17 04:11:38 AM

Revek: L.D. Ablo: Revek: Over here we don't care we just want quantity.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

No!  Outta every 35,000 rednecks we get a brittany spears, quantity has a quality all its own.


Cheers!
 
2013-03-17 05:42:18 AM
Why does everything have to be a competition with Americans?
 
2013-03-17 05:45:39 AM

Revek: No! Outta every 35,000 rednecks we get a brittany spears, quantity has a quality all its own.


So your saying Brittany Spears is the fruiting body of some sort of redneck slime mold?
 
2013-03-17 05:45:56 AM

andrewmoriarty: Why does everything have to be a competition with Americans?


Sometimes is a good thing. It causes the products to be better, less expensive. However, Cheaper usually means less quality. I'm personally for quality over quantity. If anything I've seen recently is that quality is disregarded by the masses and It's pathetic.
 
2013-03-17 05:46:25 AM
andrewmoriarty: Why does everything have to be a competition with Americans?

serious answer warning:  check out michael sandel's relatively new book - "what money can't buy - the moral limits of markets."  In a nutshell, public virtues being crowded out by market virtues for a pretty apt discussion of why.
 
2013-03-17 05:47:13 AM

Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.




The fact that the USA is producing large amounts of wine is not shocking. Missouri alone has been producing wine for 200 years

There would be no French vineyards if not for Missouri vine stock. During the 1870's a vine epidemic swept France. Only with Missouri cultivated vines did they save French wine making.
 
2013-03-17 05:50:45 AM
Wake me when we manage to top them on a per capita basis.
 
2013-03-17 05:52:09 AM
The subtle nuances that straight up are delicately engendered within this highly sophistated bottle allow me to pretentiously condescend to you worthless miscreants.
 
2013-03-17 06:17:04 AM
wine drinkers are stingy, snooty and whinny
 
2013-03-17 06:29:35 AM
when wine drinkers vocalize about wine
they come across as
stingy, snooty and whinny

FTFM
 
2013-03-17 06:36:28 AM
I wouldn't come from the direction of this being a American quantity/quality thing unless you take in to account the United States has much more wine friendly land by volume than France does.  Napa Valley, Loess Hills, etc, the United States just has that much more fertile soil for a wide variety of crops including wine grapes.  So, we're really only held back by the comparably shorter history of experience, but that's just a matter of time.
 
2013-03-17 06:39:07 AM
Subby in failure to read article sensation.

The article says that the USA tops the league tables for wine consumption. While on the rise, there's still a long way to go before it overhauls France, Italy or Spain in terms of production.
 
2013-03-17 06:50:59 AM

Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.


I find that quantity has a quality unto itself
 
2013-03-17 06:57:53 AM
Thread is lacking a certain... something...

johnmariani.com
trendexperience.com
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-17 07:03:13 AM
I've been drinking wine, legally, since the early 70s.  Back then, there were a few good American wines, most were on the level of what, in those days, were marketed as French Country wines - decent, drinkable and good for everyday use but nothing great.  Since then, American wines from a lot of areas have improved substantially.  Something I've noticed is that American wineries have standardized the process so that, year after year, they produce decent wines and that vintage has less to do with the quality than the European wines, especially French. It seems, to me at least, that while a domestic wine will never achieve the greatness of a first growth Bordeaux in a vintage year, they also never have a skunky year like so often happened with many of the French clarets.

In my opinion, again, this has helped popularize wine drinking.  It used to be that you not only had to be familiar with a lot of the vineyards and know their relative quality level, you had to keep track of which vintages and, for most folks, that was simply too much work.  Now, you can find a brand you like and know that the quality will be pretty much uniform across the years.

Any other olde pharts have an opinion on this?
 
2013-03-17 07:13:22 AM
An American friend is helping develop China's viniculture.  He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and says, "The vineyard that we're developing with the Chinese has more capacity than the entire Kiwi wine industry."
 
2013-03-17 07:27:13 AM

Omnivorous: An American friend is helping develop China's viniculture.  He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and says, "The vineyard that we're developing with the Chinese has more capacity than the entire Kiwi wine industry."


The Chinese want to do every thing bigger.  I wonder if their vineyard will end up like their empty mega mall twice the size of the mall of America.


About our wine : I've gotten to the point where I'm willing to try almost any wine made in my state.  I've been attending wine-tasting festivals for Indiana vintners for the past decade and I've found that while the reputation for excellence isn't there yet, the taste IS.  I'm no expert and I'm sure there are wine snobs who would laugh at my personal ignorance of world wine.  But, I've learned that you don't have to pay $40+ and have it cross an ocean to get a good bottle.  I'm not ashamed that I can enjoy a $10-15 bottle, especially if i'm supporting my local economy by purchasing from people who are doing it right here.
 
2013-03-17 07:58:09 AM

LordOfThePings: Thread is lacking a certain... something...

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[trendexperience.com image 488x650]
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You're absolutely right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RVyoAVgeyI
 
2013-03-17 08:34:49 AM
i50.tinypic.com.
 
2013-03-17 09:07:37 AM

Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.


Horseshiat.  Their wine sucks.  We've bested them in blind taste tests.  It's just another bit of proof that France is now a second world country.
 
2013-03-17 09:18:01 AM
Could someone just PLEASE tell that CA wine makers that every bottle does not need to have an alcohol content to fell a man?

/not a fan of "CA style" wines
//do like some wines from CA
 
2013-03-17 09:28:09 AM
Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.
 
2013-03-17 09:33:23 AM

Boomerang: Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.


obligatory : you know what old gym socks taste like?

on a side note.  why are there so many ignorant anti-france Americans?  This country wouldn't even exist without France.
 
2013-03-17 09:37:40 AM

SquiggsIN: Boomerang: Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.

obligatory : you know what old gym socks taste like?


Link
 
2013-03-17 09:40:47 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Revek: In France its all about quality.  Over here we don't care we just want quantity.

The fact that the USA is producing large amounts of wine is not shocking. Missouri alone has been producing wine for 200 years

There would be no French vineyards if not for Missouri vine stock. During the 1870's a vine epidemic swept France. Only with Missouri cultivated vines did they save French wine making.


Dammit. I wanted to share that horticultural story! Although mine might be about root stock and current issues.
 
2013-03-17 09:51:13 AM
I like many French wines.  What I don't like is having to wait 10-15 years for that Bordeaux I spent $100 on to even approach "drinkability".

The myth, however, that America wines are all high alcohol or total cheap "bulk" wines is ridiculous though.  The American wine industry is huge, and the wines available cover the spectrum.  Don't like 15+% ABV wines ?  There are plenty of excellent wines from Napa and Sonoma that are made in a more reserved style.  However why wouldn't they take advantage of California's unique geography, which allows them to produce these "bigger" wines, since there is a large market for them.

As far as most of American's wines being cheap junk, there's plenty of that table wine industry in France as well.  I will say, though, the bulk wines made in America are far less interesting to me on average than, say, the 'peasant' Italian table wines.

All I know is big wine production equals bigger wine selection and lower overall prices ... so I think the trend is great news for American wine drinkers.
 
2013-03-17 09:59:02 AM

Summoner101: I wouldn't come from the direction of this being a American quantity/quality thing unless you take in to account the United States has much more wine friendly land by volume than France does.  Napa Valley, Loess Hills, etc, the United States just has that much more fertile soil for a wide variety of crops including wine grapes.  So, we're really only held back by the comparably shorter history of experience, but that's just a matter of time.


The United States also has more people.
 
2013-03-17 10:00:33 AM

Katie98_KT: Could someone just PLEASE tell that CA wine makers that every bottle does not need to have an alcohol content to fell a man?

/not a fan of "CA style" wines
//do like some wines from CA


Spoken like a true loser.  Seriously.  Never wish for less alcohol content.
 
2013-03-17 10:04:02 AM

SquiggsIN: Boomerang: Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.

obligatory : you know what old gym socks taste like?

on a side note.  why are there so many ignorant anti-france Americans?  This country wouldn't even exist without France.


There aren't that many ignorant anti-France Americans.  There are, however, lots of educated anti-Paris Americans.  Most of the French are great folks and no one should ignore their contribution to our country - nor our subsequent efforts at returning the favor (which, oddly enough, you fail to mention).  However, Parisians can suck it.  As a general rule, they represent the worst of their country - just like a flag shirt wearing redneck from Alabama.
 
2013-03-17 10:05:42 AM

ronaprhys: SquiggsIN: Boomerang: Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.

obligatory : you know what old gym socks taste like?

on a side note.  why are there so many ignorant anti-france Americans?  This country wouldn't even exist without France.

There aren't that many ignorant anti-France Americans.  There are, however, lots of educated anti-Paris Americans.  Most of the French are great folks and no one should ignore their contribution to our country - nor our subsequent efforts at returning the favor (which, oddly enough, you fail to mention).  However, Parisians can suck it.  As a general rule, they represent the worst of their country - just like a flag shirt wearing redneck from Alabama.


Freedom fries?
 
2013-03-17 10:06:19 AM
I hate America, rather fond of many americans though

The best beer in the world is from Oregon USA
The best wine in the world is from California USA

I don't get all this America bashing, Id rather bash them for other stuff, but ... their wine and beer is superb.

// Love france but their wine is over valued over inflated watery crap

theinterrobang.com

www.cheapowino.com
 
2013-03-17 10:13:27 AM
mjjt: [i50.tinypic.com image 599x200].

Q: Why are the streets of Paris lined with trees?

A: so zee Germans can march in the shade.
 
2013-03-17 10:17:10 AM

ronaprhys: Katie98_KT: Could someone just PLEASE tell that CA wine makers that every bottle does not need to have an alcohol content to fell a man?

/not a fan of "CA style" wines
//do like some wines from CA

Spoken like a true loser.  Seriously.  Never wish for less alcohol content.


Alcohol =\= Quality
Nor does over abundance thereof improve taste.
 
2013-03-17 10:26:52 AM

EngineerBob: ronaprhys: Katie98_KT: Could someone just PLEASE tell that CA wine makers that every bottle does not need to have an alcohol content to fell a man?

/not a fan of "CA style" wines
//do like some wines from CA

Spoken like a true loser.  Seriously.  Never wish for less alcohol content.

Alcohol =\= Quality
Nor does over abundance thereof improve taste.


Never said it did.  Maybe learning to read would help?
 
2013-03-17 10:40:42 AM

Revek: L.D. Ablo: Revek: Over here we don't care we just want quantity.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

No!  Outta every 35,000 rednecks we get a brittany spears, quantity has a quality all its own.




Accuracy by Volume™
 
2013-03-17 10:45:13 AM

Oldiron_79: mjjt: [i50.tinypic.com image 599x200].

Q: Why are the streets of Paris lined with trees?

A: so zee Germans can march in the shade.


Q. Why is the American flag red white and blue
A. Je ne sais pas
 
2013-03-17 11:00:14 AM
I like the plug for Missouri, the state I grew up in. The winery that is 5 miles from the house I grew up in produces a fantastic seasonal wine:

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I will also say that the majority of the wine they make is not to my taste...but people seem to like it.
 
2013-03-17 11:08:52 AM

ronaprhys: SquiggsIN: Boomerang: Ah, wine.

The better it supposedly is, the more it tastes like an old gym sock to me.

obligatory : you know what old gym socks taste like?

on a side note.  why are there so many ignorant anti-france Americans?  This country wouldn't even exist without France.

There aren't that many ignorant anti-France Americans.  There are, however, lots of educated anti-Paris Americans.  Most of the French are great folks and no one should ignore their contribution to our country - nor our subsequent efforts at returning the favor (which, oddly enough, you fail to mention).  However, Parisians can suck it.  As a general rule, they represent the worst of their country - just like a flag shirt wearing redneck from Alabama.


Yup, exactly.
 
2013-03-17 11:12:58 AM

Omnivorous: An American friend is helping develop China's viniculture.  He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and says, "The vineyard that we're developing with the Chinese has more capacity than the entire Kiwi wine industry."


They have nothing to worry about.  The fact that a lot of people would never drink wine from china is not going to change any time soon, no matter how much wine china produces...
 
2013-03-17 11:19:34 AM

Maul555: Omnivorous: An American friend is helping develop China's viniculture.  He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and says, "The vineyard that we're developing with the Chinese has more capacity than the entire Kiwi wine industry."

They have nothing to worry about.  The fact that a lot of people would never drink wine from china is not going to change any time soon, no matter how much wine china produces...


Maul555: Omnivorous: An American friend is helping develop China's viniculture.  He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and says, "The vineyard that we're developing with the Chinese has more capacity than the entire Kiwi wine industry."

They have nothing to worry about.  The fact that a lot of people would never drink wine from china is not going to change any time soon, no matter how much wine china produces...


1.bp.blogspot.comI give it less than one generation.
 
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