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(The Big Story)   A nearly 2,600-year-old clay cylinder described as the world's first human rights declaration is being shown for the first time in the United States (link replaced)   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 48
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2013-03-16 10:09:25 PM  
i31.photobucket.com

Can you dig it
 
2013-03-16 10:21:35 PM  
They say it's the size of a football. That's eerie. How did they know how big a football would be?
 
2013-03-16 10:26:18 PM  
So this is the U. S. Constitution that Jesus wrote?
 
2013-03-16 10:26:50 PM  
"In the U.S., it's being shown with one of President Thomas Jefferson's copies of "Cyropaedia," a book by Greek historian Xenophon about the philosophies of Cyrus, to illustrate how the Persian king inspired America's founding fathers."

Cool

That was the first full book we had to read for greek class.
 
2013-03-16 10:42:03 PM  
L. Bob Rife has declined to comment.
 
2013-03-16 11:29:38 PM  

2wolves: L. Bob Rife has declined to comment.


That's Sumer, not Babel.  Pretty much the same story, but different cultures.
 
2013-03-16 11:40:46 PM  
Careful not to send it through D.C., they'll try to destroy it.

/The item you've requested, http://www.chron.com/news/article/Cyrus-the-Great-artifact-on-first-U - S-tour-4360359.php, was not found.
 
2013-03-16 11:41:20 PM  
I imagine it looks pretty cool.  I could tell it look pretty cool if the link worked.
 
2013-03-16 11:46:57 PM  

basemetal: Careful not to send it through D.C., they'll try to destroy it.

/The item you've requested, http://www.chron.com/news/article/Cyrus-the-Great-artifact-on-first-U - S-tour-4360359.php, was not found.


Lsherm: I imagine it looks pretty cool.  I could tell it look pretty cool if the link worked.


Works fine for me.

WASHINGTON (AP) - A nearly 2,600-year-old clay cylinder described as the world's first human rights declaration is being shown for the first time in the United States.
The Cyrus Cylinder from ancient Babylon will be displayed beginning Saturday at the Smithsonian's Sackler Gallery. It will be in Washington through April 28, on loan from the British Museum. A yearlong U.S. tour will follow, with exhibitions planned in Houston, New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles.
The cylinder carries an account, written in cuneiform, of how Persian King Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539 B.C. and would allow freedom of worship and abolish forced labor. The account also confirms a story from the Bible's Old Testament, describing how Cyrus released people held captive to go back to their homes, including the Jews' return to Jerusalem to build the Temple.
The cylinder was buried under a foundation wall of the city of Babylon. It's long been held as a model of good governance for a vast, multicultural society, and it made Cyrus famous from accounts in the Bible and writings by Greek authors. When the cylinder was discovered on a British expedition in modern-day Iraq in 1879, it was considered the first physical evidence of the biblical account.
"It's the first evidence we have of people reflecting on how you run a society of diversity, without just forcing uniformity," British Museum Director Neil MacGregor said. "The big question is: How can you manage a state that doesn't have one faith?"
The museum pairs the football-size cylinder with other artifacts from Cyrus' era to show how the Persian empire grew to span many religions, languages and cultures, its borders stretching from China to Egypt and the Balkans. It includes seals showing the king's authority, Persian coins, and religious symbols in gold and silver.
Also on view are two pieces of a flat tablet with matching words from the cylinder, showing it was published as a proclamation. The pieces were discovered in the British Museum's collection in 2009.
The cylinder carries ongoing relevance in the world today, Sackler Gallery Director Julian Raby said. "Here is a document that in its time declared a new way of ruling ... in which diversity was respected within a culture," he said.
When the cylinder was shown in 2010 and 2011 in Iran, it drew at least half a million visitors, showing that Iranians are still proud of the artifact as a central piece of their history, curators said. Before the current tour, it had been shown only in Tehran, Barcelona and London.
In the U.S., it's being shown with one of President Thomas Jefferson's copies of "Cyropaedia," a book by Greek historian Xenophon about the philosophies of Cyrus, to illustrate how the Persian king inspired America's founding fathers.
Curator John Curtis said the story of Cyrus also is a reminder of the rich history of the Middle East as a region of diverse cultures that included relations between Israel and Iran.
Though the cylinder is a small object, it raises big political questions, MacGregor said. Both Europeans and Americans looked to the Cyrus model to manage a state with more than one faith.
"Only the Americans get to the Cyrus model of a state that's equidistant from every faith so that you acknowledge the value of faith, but you don't endorse any one variety," MacGregor said. "Of course, we're all trying now to live in cities and countries that have an unprecedented diversity in faith, language, ethnicity ... and this is the first model of someone who got it to work for several hundred years."

Just in case.
 
2013-03-17 12:30:39 AM  

Lsherm: I imagine it looks pretty cool.  I could tell it look pretty cool if the link worked.


Here ya go

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 12:31:26 AM  
So they had the right to bare arms then too?
 
2013-03-17 12:38:22 AM  
Wikipedia says:

The interpretation of the Cylinder as a "charter of human rights" has been described by some historians as "rather anachronistic" and tendentious. It has been dismissed as a "misunderstanding" and characterized as political propaganda devised by the Pahlavi regime. The German historian Josef Wiesehöfer comments that the portrayal of Cyrus as a champion of human rights is as illusory as the image of the "humane and enlightened Shah of Persia." D. Fairchild Ruggles and Helaine Silverman describe the Shah's aim as being to legitimise the Iranian nation and his own regime, and to counter the growing influence of Islamic fundamentalism by creating an alternative narrative rooted in the ancient Persian past.

Writing in the immediate aftermath of the Shah's anniversary commemorations, the British Museum's C.B.F. Walker comments that the "essential character of the Cyrus Cylinder [is not] a general declaration of human rights or religious toleration but simply a building inscription, in the Babylonian and Assyrian tradition, commemorating Cyrus's restoration of the city of Babylon and the worship of Marduk previously neglected by Nabonidus." Two professors with specialisms in the history of the ancient Near East, Bill T. Arnold and Piotr Michalowski, comment: "Generically, it belongs with other foundation deposit inscriptions; it is not an edict of any kind, nor does it provide any unusual human rights declaration as is sometimes claimed." Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones of the University of Edinburgh notes that "there is nothing in the text" that suggests the concept of human rights.
 
2013-03-17 12:56:08 AM  
Pfft. "Human rights" are just a way for the weak and ineffectual to try to level the playing field.
 
2013-03-17 01:05:38 AM  
History for sissies.
 
2013-03-17 01:26:16 AM  

SpdrJay: So they had the right to bare arms then too?


Hence all the togas
 
2013-03-17 01:29:50 AM  
There is only...
compliancecampaign.files.wordpress.com

/but he loves you
 
2013-03-17 01:30:03 AM  
Probably worth noting "freedom of worship" meant people could go on to worship pagan gods like Moloch by burning their children alive as offerings. Babylon was so wrong to deny those people basic religious freedoms. Truly, toppling such religious oppression was a great moment for humanity.
 
2013-03-17 01:36:19 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Probably worth noting "freedom of worship" meant people could go on to worship pagan gods like Moloch by burning their children alive as offerings. Babylon was so wrong to deny those people basic religious freedoms. Truly, toppling such religious oppression was a great moment for humanity.


We offer are children to the highway bloob god, every day.
 
2013-03-17 01:38:55 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: We offer are children to the highway bloob god, every day.


Probably a typo of blood, but i'm going to pretend it was supposed to be boob.
 
2013-03-17 01:44:50 AM  

GAT_00: That's Sumer, not Babel.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-17 01:48:34 AM  
1 - I won't believe either interpretation until I see an actual translation

2 - Cool that it confirms a biblical story (though the slant is toward another diety)

3 - Given the shape, I'd bet it was intended as a platen - to be rolled over clay or wax to form an imprint.
 
2013-03-17 02:06:42 AM  
...and with my White's Metal Detector and finds like this, I'll be able to pay my way through college!
 
2013-03-17 02:07:32 AM  

ringo2: 3 - Given the shape, I'd bet it was intended as a platen - to be rolled over clay or wax to form an imprint.


*ding* it's a pre-press printing device.
 
2013-03-17 02:09:37 AM  
Here's the translation. Looks to me more like a king boasting about kicking out a crappy previous king, then installing new copper on everyone's doors, then finishing building a dock the crappy king left undone.
 
2013-03-17 02:58:31 AM  

ringo2: 3 - Given the shape, I'd bet it was intended as a platen - to be rolled over clay or wax to form an imprint.


.tnirpmi na mrof ot xaw ro yalc revo dellor eb ot - netalp a sa dednetni saw ti teb d'I ,epahs eht neviG - 3 :2ognir
 
2013-03-17 03:15:25 AM  
Priceless cylinder?

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-03-17 03:45:15 AM  
"Only the Americans get to the Cyrus model of a state that's equidistant from every faith so that you acknowledge the value of faith, but you don't endorse any one variety," MacGregor said

...[UNLIKELY] tag explodes
 
2013-03-17 04:13:56 AM  

GAT_00: 2wolves: L. Bob Rife has declined to comment.

That's Sumer, not Babel.  Pretty much the same story, but different cultures.


I expect a raft of jokes on this theme
 
2013-03-17 04:38:23 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I expect a raft of jokes on this theme


That's because you're a Raven lunatic.

/boo wee nah po dah bee lem nin goo mee wah
 
2013-03-17 05:15:32 AM  
FTFA:  "It's the first evidence we have of people reflecting on how you run a society of diversity, without just forcing uniformity," British Museum Director Neil MacGregor said. "The big question is: How can you manage a state that doesn't have one faith?"

Well, Neil, there's 2 schools of thought on this one.  You can set up a secular government that will not only NOT try to force religious dogma down everybody's throats, or you can set up a Theocracy (declared or not) that will oppress all the other religious groups into going underground or leaving.
 
Xai
2013-03-17 05:56:36 AM  
America, the very place that Human rights come to die.

/Guantanamo bay
//TSA
///Legal to be held without trial indefinitely
 
2013-03-17 06:57:28 AM  

Xai: America, the very place that Human rights come to die.

/Guantanamo bay
//TSA
///Legal to be held without trial indefinitely


dl.dropbox.com

I think in the grand scheme of things, we could be doing alot worse than most of the world.

The problem being that our legislators read 1984 like it's a Goddamned instruction manual and are currently trying to mimic how more troubled nations treat their populaces. Its the nature of a politician to do what is easiest and personally profitable, and its easier to make a pile of restrictive laws and profit from it.  Working through issues on human rights and foreign policy eats into the lobbying time.

Their real job, insuring the peoples freedom in light of all of the troubles it might cause, has proven too difficult for them.
 
2013-03-17 06:59:33 AM  

way south: Xai: America, the very place that Human rights come to die.

/Guantanamo bay
//TSA
///Legal to be held without trial indefinitely

[dl.dropbox.com image 633x344]

I think in the grand scheme of things, we could be doing alot worse than most of the world.

The problem being that our legislators read 1984 like it's a Goddamned instruction manual and are currently trying to mimic how more troubled nations treat their populaces. Its the nature of a politician to do what is easiest and personally profitable, and its easier to make a pile of restrictive laws and profit from it.  Working through issues on human rights and foreign policy eats into the lobbying time.

Their real job, insuring the peoples freedom in light of all of the troubles it might cause, has proven too difficult for them.


It would be helpful if people in general would stop voting for "Babyeater McSerialrapist" only because he has a D or R next to his name, gives lip service to their stance on abortion, or claims to follow the same religion they do.
 
2013-03-17 07:22:00 AM  
My wife and I are planning to go see it.
 
2013-03-17 08:11:44 AM  
pcmedia.ign.com

too bad he'll be remembered as the guy who will always try and backstab you early on
 
2013-03-17 08:14:34 AM  
You mean there was a time when Persians and Jews got along?
 
2013-03-17 09:14:24 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: StoPPeRmobile: We offer are children to the highway bloob god, every day.

Probably a typo of blood, but i'm going to pretend it was supposed to be boob.



All hail the boob god.
 
2013-03-17 09:27:27 AM  

Xai: America, the very place that Human rights come to die.

/Guantanamo bay
//TSA
///Legal to be held without trial indefinitely


You really need to get out of the basement if you think what's happening in Gitmo is the worst example of human rights violation in the world.
 
2013-03-17 09:32:00 AM  

dennysgod: Xai: America, the very place that Human rights come to die.

/Guantanamo bay
//TSA
///Legal to be held without trial indefinitely

You really need to get out of the basement if you think what's happening in Gitmo is the worst example of human rights violation in the world.


The nation which claims to be the pinnacle of human rights hosts that monstrosity? I have nothing better to say, fark You!
 
2013-03-17 10:11:11 AM  
[IRONIC] tag still in indefinite detention?
 
2013-03-17 10:18:56 AM  

jfarkinB: [IRONIC] tag still in indefinite detention?


Just about anyone with an ounce of brains is scared to use that tag.
 
2013-03-17 11:03:15 AM  

unlikely: "In the U.S., it's being shown with one of President Thomas Jefferson's copies of "Cyropaedia," a book by Greek historian Xenophon about the philosophies of Cyrus, to illustrate how the Persian king inspired America's founding fathers."

Cool

That was the first full book we had to read for greek class.


Xenophon was always the most interesting of the classical greek writers to me.  His books were all CSBs but they were pretty awesome CSBs..

/hey guys wanna hear about that time I joined up in a merc crew?
 
2013-03-17 12:17:46 PM  
l2.yimg.com
Looks like a big ol' corn cob.
 
2013-03-17 02:29:10 PM  
Hassan Ben Sobr

Looks like a big ol' corn cob.

  shadesofcaruso.files.wordpress.com

I wonder if there's beer inside?
 
2013-03-17 02:40:11 PM  
jaytkay , many languages are read in variable directions, or even alternating by line.
 
2013-03-17 06:31:34 PM  
I wasn't the only one who thought those bowls looked like gelatin molds.

And by the way:

We offer are children to the highway bloob god, every day.

Should be translated

We offer our children to the highway blob god, every day.

They had a lot of trouble with the Giant Blancmanges of Andromeda Galaxy. You can tell from the gelatin molds.
 
2013-03-17 08:27:11 PM  

wiredroach: Priceless cylinder?

What could possibly go wrong?



I love the top comment: "I hope he doesn't serve hot coffee to his wife in the mornings! "Here you are my little spring chicken-OH FFFF....Shiat....""
 
2013-03-18 12:40:33 PM  

icam: wiredroach: Priceless cylinder?

What could possibly go wrong?


I love the top comment: "I hope he doesn't serve hot coffee to his wife in the mornings! "Here you are my little spring chicken-OH FFFF....Shiat....""


It's so classic...I hope it's a real thing an not a hoax.
 
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