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(Komo)   Student takes on corporate giant Dole Foods and wins   ( komonews.com) divider line
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2013-03-16 10:11:18 PM  
I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

i.imgur.com

He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!
 
2013-03-16 11:12:59 PM  

hardinparamedic: I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

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He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!


He has a point.  Dole is the buyer, not the producer.  It's like Toyota drivers being sued over Prius brake problems.
 
2013-03-16 11:33:21 PM  
A month later, Dole settled. The company denied the allegations, but agreed to help Harrison set up a water and distribution system for the Guatemalan community.

We don't agree for a second, but the bad press means we'll spend less on actually helping people instead of fighting it.

Kinda good and bad, but at least they did it.  Well, they claim they will, but the funds will probably never show up, or it will only be able to supply a fourth of the community, something like that.  It's still a transnational.
 
2013-03-16 11:34:20 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: hardinparamedic: I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

[i.imgur.com image 680x291]

He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!

He has a point.  Dole is the buyer, not the producer.  It's like Toyota drivers being sued over Prius brake problems.


Sort of, but Dole probably does more than just go down to Guatemala and purchase bananas at industry auction.

I should admit at this point I really don't know anything about the produce market - maybe that is how it works, but I suspect those bananas were contracted out well in advance of when they were grown and Dole probably does require certain standards. At least I hope they do. I ate a Dole banana today. I hope it hadn't been doused with pesticides that soaked through the peel.

Chiquita is the only other major competitor in the world of bananas that I'm aware of and if I thought one of those companies was raping the environment while the other was a good steward of the environment I would vote with my wallet. As it is now, they both deliver a fresh quality product at similar prices. (And yes, I'm aware that decades ago, Chiquita supposedly did some bad stuff in South America but that's ancient history as far as I'm aware).

I suspect Dole sensed that this lawsuit could only hurt them unless they cooperated and turned it around into good publicity which is apparently what happened.
One interesting thing is that the grocery stores around here seem to either carry one brand or another. If I had a brand preference I would have to refrain from buying bananas at certain stores even though the prices only vary by about 3 cents a pound at the most and they both seem to be just as good.
 
2013-03-17 01:29:51 AM  

Happy Hours: Benevolent Misanthrope: hardinparamedic: I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

[i.imgur.com image 680x291]

He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!

He has a point.  Dole is the buyer, not the producer.  It's like Toyota drivers being sued over Prius brake problems.

Sort of, but Dole probably does more than just go down to Guatemala and purchase bananas at industry auction.

I should admit at this point I really don't know anything about the produce market - maybe that is how it works, but I suspect those bananas were contracted out well in advance of when they were grown and Dole probably does require certain standards. At least I hope they do. I ate a Dole banana today. I hope it hadn't been doused with pesticides that soaked through the peel.

Chiquita is the only other major competitor in the world of bananas that I'm aware of and if I thought one of those companies was raping the environment while the other was a good steward of the environment I would vote with my wallet. As it is now, they both deliver a fresh quality product at similar prices. (And yes, I'm aware that decades ago, Chiquita supposedly did some bad stuff in South America but that's ancient history as far as I'm aware).

I suspect Dole sensed that this lawsuit could only hurt them unless they cooperated and turned it around into good publicity which is apparently what happened.
One interesting thing is that the grocery stores around here seem to either carry one brand or another. If I had a brand preference I would have to refrain from buying bananas at certain stores even though the prices only vary by about 3 cents a pound at the most and they both seem to be just as good.


When bananas are your loss leader, those 3 cents can matter especially in advertising
 
2013-03-17 01:43:15 AM  
The student has become the peach-er.
 
2013-03-17 01:44:32 AM  
When David took on Goliath, no one thought he could win.

Dole settling out of court for PR reasons is supposed to mean that they are beaten?  Defeated?  That the "little guy" really can win, or something?

I don't want to live on this planet any more.
 
2013-03-17 01:50:39 AM  
They don't want a repeat of Bananas!*

Wiki Link
 
2013-03-17 01:52:26 AM  
I'll believe that story when both sides are repeating it, instead of one college bleeding-heart trying to make himself famous for his resume.
 
2013-03-17 01:54:43 AM  

Allen262: They don't want a repeat of Bananas!*

Wiki Link


Wow, didn't know that.  The pesticides made them sterile?

That shiat is bananas.

B A N A N A S.
 
2013-03-17 01:58:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

[i.imgur.com image 680x291]

He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!


That is a fake poster paid for by Dole. This was covered in Big Boys Gone Bananas!*

Big Boys Gone Bananas!* is documentary of the fight over Bananas!* that is a documentary it self.

*yodawgiheardyoulike.jpg*
 
2013-03-17 02:00:15 AM  

www.conservationmagazine.org


Until the 1950s, one variety, the Gros Michel, dominated the world's commercial banana business.

Found by French botanists in Asia in the 1820s, the Gros Michel was by all accounts a fine banana, richer and sweeter than today's standard Cavendish, and without the latter's bitter aftertaste when green. I don't remember, but I must have eaten it when I was young. However, the Gros Michel was vulnerable to a soil fungus that produced a wilt known as Panama disease. "Once the fungus got into the soil, there was nothing farmers could do. Even chemical spraying wouldn't get rid of it," says Rodomiro Ortiz, top banana in charge of research at the International Institute for Tropical Agriculture in Ibadan, Nigeria.

So plantation owners played a running game, abandoning infested fields and moving to "clean" land-until in the 1950s they ran out of clean land and had to abandon the ill-fated Gros Michel. The king of the plantations-a fruit that ruled nations and toppled governments, that brought us the phrase "banana republic"-is now just a laboratory curiosity.

Its successor, and the reigning commercial king, is the Cavendish. This is a variety from southern China "discovered" by British colonial botanists and brought home in 1828, when it was named after the English lord who provided house room for the first samples. Being less tasty than the Gros Michel, the Cavendish languished until the latter's demise. But in the 1960s, tastiness mattered less than resistance to Panama disease.

The Cavendish resisted the fungus and almost overnight replaced the Gros Michel in plantations and on supermarket shelves. If you buy a banana today, it is almost certainly a Cavendish.

But, less than half a century on, the day of reckoning may be coming for the Cavendish. The plan-B commercial banana is already being stalked by another fungal disease. Black Sigatoka has become a global epidemic since its first appearance in Fiji in 1963.

Commercial growers keep it at bay by a constant chemical assault. Forty sprayings of fungicide a year is typical, making the Cavendish the most heavily sprayed food crop in the world. This is not good news for the employees of the big Latin American banana-plantation owners.

In Costa Rica, the second-largest banana exporter after Ecuador and the place where my bananas usually come from, women in banana-packing plants suffer double the average rates of leukemia and birth defects.

Meanwhile, a fifth of male banana workers are sterile, allegedly as a result of exposure to dibromochloropropane, which is now banned, and other fungicides that are not.

 
2013-03-17 02:28:55 AM  
Ahhh Del Monte... Enjoy them old man, they will be your last.
 
2013-03-17 02:45:12 AM  
The Dole company has been doing dirty stuff for a long time. Just look up the history of Hawaii.
 
2013-03-17 02:53:00 AM  

ArkAngel: When bananas are your loss leader, those 3 cents can matter especially in advertising


I can't even imagine how many pounds of bananas I would have to buy before a 3 cent per pound price difference would influence where I shopped.

Okay, I can. I would have to buy at least 300 pounds of bananas at a time before I would care about that. I usually buy 4 or 5 bananas at a time.

Allen262: They don't want a repeat of Bananas!*

Wiki Link


I was sure that was going to be a link to Bananas

I'm usually wrong at least once a day. Hopefully this fulfills my quota.
 
2013-03-17 03:48:20 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: hardinparamedic: I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

[i.imgur.com image 680x291]

He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!

He has a point.  Dole is the buyer, not the producer.  It's like Toyota drivers being sued over Prius brake problems.


Dole does both import and production. They own plantations. So, it's impossible to say, really. Probably own of those shell company things, for tax reasons.
 
2013-03-17 03:56:44 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: hardinparamedic: I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

[i.imgur.com image 680x291]

He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!

He has a point.  Dole is the buyer, not the producer.  It's like Toyota drivers being sued over Prius brake problems.


You guys are missing the point, which wasn't made very well in TFA.

"The company touts its environmental integrity on its website, but Harrison didn't see it that way."

Harrison's claim was false advertising and negligent misrepresentation.  He's probably talking about Dole's "Communities" page:

"In many of its production areas, Dole offers local residents with medical programs, educational services, housing, home maintenance, schools, sports facilities, roads, hospitals and safe drinking water."

The judge declined to dismiss the lawsuit so it's not without merit prima facie.

/should have sued for negligent writing on that page, too
 
2013-03-17 05:05:54 AM  
Yep, HUGE victory for the little guy.

Dole make a nuisance lawsuit go away for 5k, when fighting it out would have cost at least ten times that amount.

The world changed the day Dole settled with this kid. Things will never be the same.
 
2013-03-17 09:31:36 AM  

BigBooper: Yep, HUGE victory for the little guy.

Dole make a nuisance lawsuit go away for 5k, when fighting it out would have cost at least ten times that amount.

The world changed the day Dole settled with this kid. Things will never be the same.


You sound jealous that you've never even had this sort of little victory.
 
2013-03-17 10:38:52 AM  

ghare: BigBooper: Yep, HUGE victory for the little guy.

Dole make a nuisance lawsuit go away for 5k, when fighting it out would have cost at least ten times that amount.

The world changed the day Dole settled with this kid. Things will never be the same.

You sound jealous that you've never even had this sort of little victory.


No. I'm p*ssed because I've been on the other end. I own a small company, and I've been sued by a lawyer who knew how to play the system. The case was absolutely open and shut. But the lawyer sued five different parties in federal court, promised to drag things out, get the case before a inner-city jury that probably wouldn't have cared what the law was, and promised to sit the plaintiffs weeping wife and kids in the front row every day of the trial. OR we could all throw a small fraction of the cost it would have take to even get to the first hearing to make the case disappear. It was barely legal blackmail, but the plaintiff's lawyer clearly knew what he could say verbally vs. in writing.

Most of the hit was covered by my error's and omissions insurance, but the settlement still cost me $1,000. I was told that if we took it to the first hearing their was a very good chance that the case would be thrown out. But that the cost at that point would be more than $10k. The cost of a trial would have been ruinous without insurance. And that's just the cost of defense alone. Who knows what idiocy could have come out of a jury from inner-city Milwaukee.

If I sound bitter, it's because I am. I know that justice has nothing to do with our justice system any more.
 
2013-03-17 11:16:17 AM  
So now they can ship 30,000 pounds......of bananas
 
2013-03-17 11:34:49 AM  
Hmmm.... In order to avoid bad PR they do a little plumbing to fix something they're remotely related to.

In the process they can write up a charitable humanitarian foundation and appoint a few friends to the paid upper tier. Well, at least that's how I'd rig the game.
 
2013-03-17 11:51:50 AM  

MooseOnTheLoose: Ahhh Del Monte... Enjoy them old man, they will be your last.


+1
 
2013-03-17 12:21:06 PM  
Trollestia wanted for questioning.
 
2013-03-17 01:13:52 PM  
Actual discussions here? wth man... this is Fark, we MOCK the news, not have intelligent conversations about it..
 
2013-03-17 01:17:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: hardinparamedic: I didn't know Lionel Hutz posted on KOMO.

[i.imgur.com image 680x291]

He's been in the insusry for 20 years, people! Listen to him!

He has a point.  Dole is the buyer, not the producer.  It's like Toyota drivers being sued over Prius brake problems.


Yes, but if they as a company are claiming to be on the environmental side of things, they better damn well be buying from companies that give two damns about the environment.
 
2013-03-17 06:56:32 PM  
American fruit companies have a stellar record in Guatemala
 
2013-03-18 01:32:56 PM  

sendtodave: Allen262: They don't want a repeat of Bananas!*

Wiki Link

Wow, didn't know that.  The pesticides made them sterile?

That shiat is bananas.

B A N A N A S.


When I had reserve duty in Honduras, we drove past a Dole plantation (not sure if Dole owned it, but it was known to be a supplier). Each of the banana trees had a little moat around it, filled with several inches of pesticide -- a fluorescent green liquid the color of antifreeze. It was kinda creepy. Not sure that'd fly in the US.
 
2013-03-18 03:33:06 PM  

MooseOnTheLoose: Ahhh Del Monte... Enjoy them old man, they will be your last.


Two words in and the accent appeared strong. I laughed. I laughed.
 
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