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2013-03-16 08:35:23 PM
10 votes:

GAT_00: Oh goodie, I was just waiting here for the not so subtle racist posts to start.


You don't see these shootings at work boot sales.
2013-03-16 08:10:13 PM
7 votes:

feckingmorons: They're shooting people over athletic shoes. We could control this with common sense laws.


No one but professional athletes require Air Jordans. At the very least, there should be a ten-day waiting period before you can purchase them.

I know, I know, "From my cold dead feet..."
2013-03-16 08:05:48 PM
5 votes:
We could stop these senseless shootings, assaults, fights and riots if we simply outlawed the timed release of these shoes. They should be announced by the manufacturer as being out 'sometime in March" or whatever month it is and the various stores should be able to sell them as soon as they are delivered. Don't let the stores advertise their availability until they are truly on the shelf so no one lines up to get them.

They're shooting people over athletic shoes. We could control this with common sense laws.
2013-03-16 10:13:29 PM
3 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: Don't epidemiologist use race when compiling statistics about disease, and suicide, and homicides? Don't social scientists use race and gender when predicting where you're more likely to be a victim of a violent crime.

Did you miss the part where I explained quite explicitly that, "there's nothing wrong with recognizing that certain behaviors or offenses are overwhelmingly perpetrated by people of one particular demographic group?"

Did you?

That isn't my issue.  My issue is the temptation of the racist to extend demographically isolated incidents to all people of the same demographic.  As I said, there is NO reason to "joke" that the president will plant a watermelon patch or modify presidential vehicles with spinners/large diameter wheels/etc. other than naked racism.


Look, I think you're a handwringer who looks to call people racists simply because you enjoy it. You guys never call a spade a spade or a criminal a criminal you blame everyone else. You're trying to absolve the gunman by calling us racists.

Let me clear it up for you, the Bureau of Justice Statistics shows that the majority of the violent crimes in this country are committed by black men. Does that mean every black man commits a violent crime, no of course not. Nobody here suggested that it did. That doesn't stop you from labeling everyone a racist though.

Take off your rose colored glasses and face reality.
2013-03-16 10:09:14 PM
3 votes:
In case everyone hasn't figured it out now shoe laws are as absurd as banning high capacity magazines or guns that look scary and are called assault weapons.

Criminals will be criminals, there is little we can do about that. Sure, they should probably hold down the hype for these stupid shoes, but even if they took waiting lists some loser would probably shoot the guy with the list and add his name to the top.

You'll always see a few people on Fark who live for the opportunity to call someone a racist. Yet they're the ones posting the racist pictures.

The people that said criminals - of every race- are the problem are spot on. We don't need more laws to stop crime, we just need to put the criminals in jail and enforce the existing laws. We don't need new gun laws or new shoe laws. We have plenty of laws, and too many criminals We need to use the laws we have to reduce the criminals we have.

Calling everyone racist is not a solution, it just makes the hand wringers feel better.
2013-03-16 09:26:24 PM
3 votes:

Elvis_Bogart: eraser8: But, let's test your hypothesis. I'm going to start a timer and search GIS for "Obama watermelon patch." Let's see how long it takes me to find a racist image.

It took the same amount of time to search for "Obama Is Jesus".

What is your point?


They never have a point. They just like to call people who are concerned about the problems affecting all communities, including the black community racists. They don't want solutions they want to divide the nation by name calling, it makes them feel better about themselves.

If they wanted to help the black community they would stop labeling anyone who proposes a solution a racist. They have a deck full of race cards and they are always looking for a game to play them in. They are really just Jokers.
2013-03-16 09:21:43 PM
3 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: Read your own posts.

Not only have I read my posts; I wrote them.

You claimed I was "suggesting" something.  My question is this: what, exactly, is it that you think I'm suggesting?  And, how does whatever suggestion you've discerned amount to "racism [masked by] false concern?"


Your Boobies was about not knowing about Air Jordans, then immediately went into 'everyone is a racist but me' mode. Of course you know about Air Jordans, you have internet access, you can't miss the hype about these shoes.

You're the one posting racist pictures of the presidential limousine. You start throwing out accusations so fast because I think you fear people will find out your own racism.

There seem to be two camps of contributers to this thread, those who are concerned a little girl was shot while waiting for overhyped, overpriced shoes, and those who think anyone but themselves are racists for even mentioning this story.

One camp suggested not hyping these shoes (like a new Harry Potter book) and letting the stores sell them when they arrived, or taking deposits and making a waiting list. You just insinuate or explicitly call everyone in the deliberative, lets find a solution camp a racist.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You start yelling racist because you're afraid we will learn about who you really are.

What is your proposed solution to this problem? Calling everyone a racist doesn't solve anything.
2013-03-16 08:33:27 PM
3 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com

Sees what ought to be done.
2013-03-17 02:15:52 AM
2 votes:

ferretman: The truth hurts...the inner cities are turning into cesspools, yet it's the 'white-mans fault'.


Look pal, the Grand Unified Theory of Oppression clearly states that, in any given conflict between any two peoples on the face of the earth, the white man is ultimately to blame. This doesn't just apply within the United States -- for example:

1) The US war in the Pacific: a "racist war" -- as Tom Hanks put it -- against the poor Japanese who were forced to make a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor after FDR (who is otherwise to be regarded as a sainted progressive) despicably levied sanctions against them in retaliation for their understandable defensive rape and conquest of half of Asia;
2) The Hutu-Tutsi genocide of 1994: this was entirely as a result of Belgian colonialism, and it's irrelevant that these two ethnic groups had been at each other's throats since at least the 1500s;
3) The Indian Partition: totally the fault of callous and careless British mapmakers, and not having the slightest to do with the pre-existing sectarian tension in India that dated back to the Muslim conquest of India and its massacre of dozens of millions Hindus between 1300 and 1600.

The Grand Unified Theory of Oppression proves that the violence that is currently taking place all over the US has already happened all over the world for hundreds of years, and that then as now it has been all Whitey's fault. Who the hell are you to disagree?
2013-03-16 10:47:59 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: eraser8: feckingmorons: His crowd was honest that they simply call people racist every chance they get

One of the only people calling people racist in the thread is YOU.

I'm the only one using the word (except when you write Republican/racist -implying that if one is Republican one is racist). The rest of your crowd paints with a broad brush.

Who is posting all the racist pictures and links found through their 'procedure'?

Despite what you've been arguing, pointing out racism is not racism.


So, other than the pictures you posted in the thread and links that I haven't tried what do you think is racist in this thread? Why do you keep asking people their intentions with their posts - your couched way of calling someone racist.
2013-03-16 10:26:48 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: hardinparamedic: GAT_00: This thread is fantastic.  It ought to be kept around and reposted every time some of these people claim they aren't racist.

You're the REAL RACIST, Gat! I mean, just look at how INTOLERANT you're being for someone so tolerant.

Yeah, that's pretty much the argument I usually get.  Unless you openly accept open oppression, then you're really the person oppressing other people's views.


Who is being oppressed? People are shooting one another over sneakers.

Climb down from the cross and live in the real world.
2013-03-16 10:25:13 PM
2 votes:

sethen320: Wait, I take back my previous post...you're not the troll, its the other guy.  Sorry.  I need to go sit in the corner now.


No, not at all, they are good at it, but reasonable people who can think clerly will always be better.

It is easy to call people racist or rush to knee jerk reactions like a scary looking gun ban. It is much harder to find real solutions. We need more thinkers and less knee jerkers and and race card players.
2013-03-16 10:20:57 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: Look, I think you're a handwringer who looks to call people racists simply because you enjoy it.

Who here have I called a racist?  Be specific.  And, show your work.

While you're doing that, keep in mind that, so far, TWO people have called me a racist.

You were one of them.  So, by your own logic, you must be a handwringer who looks to call people racists simply because you enjoy it.


Oh, you don't say the word you do it by implication with comments like "Why is that important to you?" and obliqely talking about Republican/racist jokes about the president. You don't directly call anyone a racist, you just imply that they are or imply that if they are Republican they are.

You fall back on plausible deniability. We know. We understand. You don't want to actually take a stand on anything because your values shift in the wind. You're edgy and trendy, or at least want to appear so.
2013-03-16 10:04:30 PM
2 votes:

ZeroCorpse: It's not about race. It's about greed and ignorance.


Don't tell the guys who call everyone a racist.

You've hit the nail right on the head.
2013-03-16 10:02:14 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: The first question is: why is important to you to point out the perp is a black dude?


It is important to me because there's an obvious problem with violence in the black community, especially with younger black men. When 15% of the population is responsible for almost 50% of the crime, you're damn right we need to start pointing the finger. Calling that racist is pure farking ignorance.
2013-03-16 10:01:47 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: Popcorn Johnny: GAT_00: Oh goodie, I was just waiting here for the not so subtle racist posts to start.

If there are 500 shooting involving a pair of shoes and 490 of the perps are black, how is it racist to point out that it was a black dude?

The first question is: why is important to you to point out the perp is a black dude?

Second: there's nothing wrong with recognizing that certain behaviors or offenses are overwhelmingly perpetrated by people of one particular demographic group.

What's racist is assuming that most people of a particular demographic group are likely to exhibit behaviors and commit certain offense.

That's why I pointed out the insanity of making "jokes" that President Obama would plant a watermelon garden on the White House grounds or put enlarged tires and/or spinners on the presidential limousine.


But is there not a branch of science devoted specifically to that exact thing. Don't epidemiologist use race when compiling statistics about disease, and suicide, and homicides? Don't social scientists use race and gender when predicting where you're more likely to be a victim of a violent crime.

They are valid measurements and can be used to create hypotheses, but I don't think anyone but you suggested that correlation is causation. Yet you keep implying that we're all racists because we draw the same conclusions that the Department of Justice, the National Institutes of Health,and even the Urban League draw.

We're discussing the issue and proposing solutions, you are just calling people racists.

I'll ask again, do you have a solution to propose?
2013-03-16 10:01:12 PM
2 votes:
world class trolling in this here thread, gents. impressive.
2013-03-16 09:23:19 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: But, let's test your hypothesis. I'm going to start a timer and search GIS for "Obama watermelon patch." Let's see how long it takes me to find a racist image.


It took the same amount of time to search for "Obama Is Jesus".

What is your point?
2013-03-16 09:23:11 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: Why do you have pictures like that

Actually, I was the one who posted the image...and, you've confused me with GIS.  It took me a few seconds to find that image.

But, let's test your hypothesis.  I'm going to start a timer and search GIS for "Obama watermelon patch."  Let's see how long it takes me to find a racist image.

[blog.jonolan.net image 450x351]
Turns out the timer didn't even get to 1 second.


Why can you find these racist images so quickly? Are they on your hard drive?

When I said 'you' it was the collective 'lets call everyone a racist, that is a solution' group started up.

Do you have a solution or do you just call people names?
2013-03-16 09:12:13 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: You seem to be the one suggesting it. Why do you mask your racism in false concern?

What the hell are you talking about?


Read your own posts. Do you not think something should be done about these violent incidents at the Air Jordan unveilings. You don't propose any solutions you just call people who discuss them and propose solutions racists.

Why do you pretend to care, but don't call for action?
2013-03-16 09:05:10 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: GAT_00: eraser8: What's your point?

His point is that all black people are criminals.

I suppose that's what accounts for all the Republican/racist jokes about the president.

Republicans/racists just don't seem bright enough to realize that because a behavior is exhibited largely by a specific demographic does not mean that people of that specific demographic largely exhibit that behavior.

I mean, other than abject racism, why would anyone believe that President Obama was likely to modify presidential vehicles with "spinners" or oversize wheels or such?

[powip.com image 450x270]


You seem to be the one suggesting it. Why do you mask your racism in false concern?
2013-03-16 08:32:44 PM
2 votes:
New Air Jordan's and a black gunman....is anyone really surprised?
2013-03-16 08:32:38 PM
2 votes:

L.D. Ablo: If you cut off the supply of Jordans to convicted felons



Sadly if you look at violent crime stats this is true
2013-03-16 08:26:11 PM
2 votes:
Look, let me state the obvious: shoes don't kill people.  People who want shoes kill people.

There should be a background check and a "cooling off" period before buying Jordans.  If you cut off the supply of Jordans to convicted felons, then we wouldn't have these problems.
2013-03-17 06:58:00 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: DrPainMD: Show me in the Constitution where it gives the government the authority to implement that law. And, what would be the punishment?


Try reading the whole thread.


Whoops, lost part of a paragraph there.

Try reading the whole thread. It was hyperbole. Of course there shouldn't be a law about shoe unveiling events. That is just stupid. We shouldn't need a law about that.

Sure Nike should realize it is a problem and have a waiting list or something, it works for Apple and their overpriced phones.

It was analogous to the banning of scary looking guns. Lawful Air Jordan buyers aren't shooting one another, criminals are shooting one another.
2013-03-17 12:54:06 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Oh goodie, I was just waiting here for the not so subtle racist posts to start.


If pointing out historical tendencies of people of a certain race committing violence while standing in line for the purchase of shoes is being racist, then so be it.

/ Sticks and stones, etc.
2013-03-17 12:46:51 AM
1 votes:
It's already a fairly common practice to circumcise newborn males, and while it's controversial to some, it's a practice that's probably not going to end any time soon.  So, if snipping off penis parts is considered routine, why can't we just go in there and remove the feet at the same time?  Then we wouldn't have this problem.
2013-03-17 12:22:17 AM
1 votes:
In over 52% of the murders in the US in 2011 in which the race of the murderer was known, the murderer was black. Over half of the victims of murder were also black. At least, effective action is now being taken.


www.blackagendareport.com
2013-03-17 12:11:45 AM
1 votes:
Well, I think we have our answer.

These sneaker release events seem to invite violence. If any other producer of a product had as much violence each time they released a new version there would be cries for legislation and government intervention. New electronic gadget, they either have a waiting list or people manage to wait in line without shooting one another; new Air Jordans, you almost know there will be a shooting.

However the handwringers -and our government is filled with them- can't come out and say it is a problem and ask the company to have a wait list, or give out tickets (who cares if people sell them to one another). The company knows that nobody will say it and I've not seen a press release saying how terrible it is their customers can't keep from shooting up the place. So as a society we're letting that community down by not requiring that they behave like everyone else.

If you let your kids do whatever they want they will grow up incorrigible. We'll as a society we're allowing some kids to do just that. We can't just wring our hands, we have to stop their behavior and it will take a combination of enforcing the laws and corporate cooperation to do so.

If that makes me a racist then so be it.
2013-03-17 12:08:10 AM
1 votes:
I would slap the crap out of any of my ancestors who were involved in the slave trade. For one, I'll agree that slavery was some jacked up crap. It was pretty evil for "us' to go take people away from their families and make slaves out of them. (FYI, blacks in Africa were the ones rounding up other blacks and offering them up for slavery.)

The humanitarian in me feels that aspect of it.

The "white" person in me is just pissed off that "great great grandpa" brought those gang banging thugs over here.
2013-03-17 12:02:45 AM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: OK so the solution from the handwringers is to have me raped and murdered. I don't think that will help the problem with shootings at shoe release events, but apparently that is the best the politically correct brigade can do?

Shall we leave the question open a bit longer? Do those of the left side of the Internet have any viable solutions?



Move to a liberal whitopia when ready to have children?
2013-03-17 12:01:00 AM
1 votes:
OK so the solution from the handwringers is to have me raped and murdered. I don't think that will help the problem with shootings at shoe release events, but apparently that is the best the politically correct brigade can do?

Shall we leave the question open a bit longer? Do those of the left side of the Internet have any viable solutions?
2013-03-17 12:00:18 AM
1 votes:
How's this:

Observing that young black men commit crime:  Not racism.

Assuming that young black men commit crime:  Racism.
2013-03-16 11:57:20 PM
1 votes:
bloggfiler.no
2013-03-16 11:52:24 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: neongoats: muck4doo: neongoats: feckingmorons: Hello.... handwringers.... any solutions yet? Any ideas? Any? At all?

My solution is to put you on ignore because you literally match your username. No hand wringing here. As far as I'm concerned violent felons can spend their entire lives being assfarked.

But not until you fix the problem of people being put away for smoking a joint or getting blown away for wearing a hooded sweatshirt.

So basically, my solution is that thousands of giant black felons should rape you repeatedly until you die.

Whoa! Why black felons?

Because he lives his life in pants shiatting terror of black felons. So he will already be all wide open and ready to go.

Your comment made you sound like the racist. Use better judgment next time.


Wanting someone to be raped and murded by a black felon is not racist? Can you explain that to me please?
2013-03-16 11:37:48 PM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: Now, this is not a race thing. This is an ignorance thing. There are plenty of white trash kiddos beating each other up over Air Jordans and other athletic shoes, as well as other kinds of bling/swag.

It's about upbringing and personal responsibility. Race is not an automatic indicator of idiocy.



Oops, you outed yourself with that qualifier, racist.


feckingmorons: Amos Quito: Roughly half of all shooters (and shootees) in any given year are black.

Try to get those statistics from BJS and it will tough. You have to use an FOIA request because they don't like to put those things online.

That data is collected, but they are loathe to share it.



Actually the data readily available from the FBI.


Of course you can look at the prison population as compared to the population of the country, but the handwringers will tell you that one group is imprisoned disproportionately. They'll tell you they are arrested more frequently. They won't tell you that it is because they commit crimes. If everyone that committed a crime were arrested there would still be a skew greater that two standard deviations when compared to the population of the nation as a whole.

Of course, the solution is to enforce the law, but we're not keen on doing that because it affects the statistics. We need to enforce existing laws, get rid of silly laws that should be civil infractions (like having a small amount of marijuana) and put the hard core criminals in prison. Let the bad check writers go on probation with a bookkeeping class, let the no driver license people pick up trash from the median for a couple of days, but put the people shooting one another over shoes in jail. Race is not involved at all, just criminality. When it sucks to be a criminal, people will stop being criminals whatever box they check on their Census form.

The handwringers don't propose solutions, they just complain about the problems.


Yeah, the handwringers do complain that blacks are disproportionately targeted for arrest and disproportionately convicted of ALL classes of crimes, and while I'm sure that there is some truth to that, murder is a bit of a conundrum, as there are actually dead bodies lying about, and often witnesses.

Crime is a very serious plague to society at large, and to the black community in particular. Society and the media can pretend it's a non-issue or point the finger of "racism" all day long, but that isn't going to help the kids whose father is in prison (or murdered), and the fact that a yong man is unemployable due to an extensive criminal history isn't going to feed his family - it's going to drive him to more crime.

Self-perpetuating CULTURAL problem - started by do-gooder liberal policies, and perpetuated by tolerance of criminal behavior among the black community - where thuggery is regularly accepted, and even celebrated.


/Release them slings and arrows, y'all
2013-03-16 11:34:57 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: neongoats: feckingmorons: Hello.... handwringers.... any solutions yet? Any ideas? Any? At all?

My solution is to put you on ignore because you literally match your username. No hand wringing here. As far as I'm concerned violent felons can spend their entire lives being assfarked.

But not until you fix the problem of people being put away for smoking a joint or getting blown away for wearing a hooded sweatshirt.

So basically, my solution is that thousands of giant black felons should rape you repeatedly until you die.

Whoa! Why black felons?


He must think only black people are criminals. He is a racist I bet.
2013-03-16 11:32:31 PM
1 votes:

neongoats: My solution is to put you on ignore because you literally match your username


Excellent!

That is exactly what to do when you find an opinion with which you don't agree. Ignore it, bury your head in the sand.

You want me raped and murdered because you disagree with my opinion.

Yet you think you're far more tolerant than me.

Excellent!

/I hope you waited a few seconds for me to point out how hypocritical you were before you put me on ignore.
2013-03-16 11:13:47 PM
1 votes:

sendtodave: feckingmorons: Why do you have pictures like that, does it excite you to look at them and be racist in private, while putting on the concerned liberal face in public?

The whole "You're the real racist for pointing out racism" schtick?  Really?


What racism in the article or the comments? He wasn't pointing out racism he was calling anyone who wasn't a handrwinger a racist?

Tell me your first thought was not 'Oh, no not this black people fighting over expensive sneakers shiat again'. If it was a story about two dudes beating each other with canoe paddles of a catfish you'd think redneck too.

Reality, it is difficult, but it beats the alternative.
2013-03-16 10:59:11 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Roughly half of all shooters (and shootees) in any given year are black.


Try to get those statistics from BJS and it will tough. You have to use an FOIA request because they don't like to put those things online.

That data is collected, but they are loathe to share it.

Of course you can look at the prison population as compared to the population of the country, but the handwringers will tell you that one group is imprisoned disproportionately. They'll tell you they are arrested more frequently. They won't tell you that it is because they commit crimes. If everyone that committed a crime were arrested there would still be a skew greater that two standard deviations when compared to the population of the nation as a whole.

Of course, the solution is to enforce the law, but we're not keen on doing that because it affects the statistics. We need to enforce existing laws, get rid of silly laws that should be civil infractions (like having a small amount of marijuana) and put the hard core criminals in prison. Let the bad check writers go on probation with a bookkeeping class, let the no driver license people pick up trash from the median for a couple of days, but put the people shooting one another over shoes in jail. Race is not involved at all, just criminality. When it sucks to be a criminal, people will stop being criminals whatever box they check on their Census form.

The handwringers don't propose solutions, they just complain about the problems.
2013-03-16 10:50:36 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: eraser8: But, I actually DID NOT call anyone posting here a racist.

No, you've refrained from accusing him of anything, which as I said is a credit to your patience.  He has entirely done this to himself.

Also, since that last link failed, I'll just post it here:  http://i.imgur.com/D3lTC.gif


I guess you didn't see the Republican/Racist comment he made, or the 'What's your point?" comment when I noted they don't have shooting as unhyped boring work boot sales. He didn't use the word, sure (well except where he really did) but he sure insinuated it.

Do you guys get points for not actually using the word, what is the protocol? I'm sure there is one, there is a 'procedure' for evaluating how long it takes to find racist images on the Internet.
2013-03-16 10:39:31 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: His crowd was honest that they simply call people racist every chance they get

One of the only people calling people racist in the thread is YOU.


I'm the only one using the word (except when you write Republican/racist -implying that if one is Republican one is racist). The rest of your crowd paints with a broad brush.

Who is posting all the racist pictures and links found through their 'procedure'?
2013-03-16 10:36:25 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: His crowd was honest that they simply call people racist every chance they get


One of the only people calling people racist in the thread is YOU.
2013-03-16 10:35:42 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: TsukasaK: WHAT THE ACTUAL FARK HAPPENED IN THIS THREAD?!

People were honest.


He finally said something I agree with. His crowd was honest that they simply call people racist every chance they get, and the rest of us called the criminals that shoot one another - and innocent kids- over some ugly overpriced shoes scumbags.
2013-03-16 10:32:39 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: KrispyKritter: Trophy worthy thread for sheer asshole content. Outstanding.

Seriously, they really went all out.  The only thing that could have gave these people a bigger hard on is if watermelon, chicken or crack could have somehow been worked into it.


Apparently you can't see the images your comrade posted. It did have watermelon.

/I know you can't see this since you ignore me. You don't tolerate divergent opinion very well.
// someone quote this so Mr. Head in the Sand can see it.
2013-03-16 10:30:31 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: h, you don't say the word you do it by implication with comments like "Why is that important to you?"

That was a simple question.  I was interested in the answer.

feckingmorons: and obliqely talking about Republican/racist jokes about the president.

Who's sending these jokes, in your opinion?


I'm not clicking on that link, I'm not looking at more of your racist nonsense.

Who is sending them is obvious, it is you. You did it with that link (I must assume).

Why do you keep sending racist nonsense?
2013-03-16 10:22:29 PM
1 votes:
That's so 80's
2013-03-16 10:21:55 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours and your insinuations.

Of course.

But, the fact remains that I never called you -- or anyone else here -- a racist.


Yes, you never used the word.

Well except when you said Republican/racist cartoons, you know the kind you have a procedure for finding.

That seems a little odd to me.
2013-03-16 10:20:52 PM
1 votes:
Racist is our word, only we're allowed to call each other that.
2013-03-16 10:18:51 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: feckingmorons: GAT_00: Oh goodie, I was just waiting here for the not so subtle racist posts to start.

You don't see these shootings at work boot sales.

What's your point?


That he just schooled the politically correct douche, and you're trying to pretend statistics aren't true.
2013-03-16 10:18:34 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: Yes, I think you are one. I didn't say what race.
I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours and your insinuations.


Stupid crackers. Always thinking they know more. I'm gonna enjoy watching little yellow feet put boots on your neck!

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2013-03-16 10:16:33 PM
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eraser8: Elvis_Bogart: eraser8: "Obama watermelon patch"

If you enter that what else do you possibly think would pop up beside racist imagery?

I'm not sure whether you understand the point being argued here.

I was defending myself against a charge that, because it was so easy for me to find racist imagery, I MUST have kept these images locally on my computer.

My point was to show that saving such images is completely unnecessary.  A simple GIS search will return them in droves.


And you have a procedure - methodology perfected by continuous searches for racist images and the timing of the searches - just so you can tell us about it.
2013-03-16 10:14:59 PM
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eraser8: feckingmorons: Calling everyone racist is not a solution, it just makes the hand wringers feel better.

Just pointing it out one more time: I NEVER called you a racist; you DID call me one.


Yes, I think you are one. I didn't say what race.
I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours and your insinuations.
2013-03-16 10:14:31 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: This thread is fantastic.  It ought to be kept around and reposted every time some of these people claim they aren't racist.


What do you mean "these people"?
2013-03-16 10:13:30 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: In case everyone hasn't figured it out now shoe laws are as absurd as banning high capacity magazines or guns that look scary and are called assault weapons.

Criminals will be criminals, there is little we can do about that. Sure, they should probably hold down the hype for these stupid shoes, but even if they took waiting lists some loser would probably shoot the guy with the list and add his name to the top.

You'll always see a few people on Fark who live for the opportunity to call someone a racist. Yet they're the ones posting the racist pictures.

The people that said criminals - of every race- are the problem are spot on. We don't need more laws to stop crime, we just need to put the criminals in jail and enforce the existing laws. We don't need new gun laws or new shoe laws. We have plenty of laws, and too many criminals We need to use the laws we have to reduce the criminals we have.

Calling everyone racist is not a solution, it just makes the hand wringers feel better.


I'm surprised you roped so many in with this ridiculousness.

I'll tell you one thing, it makes no difference to me whether or not a moron got a gun legally, I'm still not safe.  By all means, lets arm more morons.
2013-03-16 10:08:43 PM
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feckingmorons: We could stop these senseless shootings, assaults, fights and riots if we simply outlawed the timed release of these shoes. They should be announced by the manufacturer as being out 'sometime in March" or whatever month it is and the various stores should be able to sell them as soon as they are delivered. Don't let the stores advertise their availability until they are truly on the shelf so no one lines up to get them.

They're shooting people over athletic shoes. We could control this with common sense laws.


If they are not shooting each other in line they will shoot each other in the street. This is a cultural problem, not a gun problem not a shoe problem. As long as they have a culture of violence and greed and no responsibility this kind of stuff will happen. 

I would bet that an infinite number of Amish waiting in line for an infinite period of time would not produce a shooting over a pair of basket ball shoes.
2013-03-16 10:06:41 PM
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feckingmorons: Don't epidemiologist use race when compiling statistics about disease, and suicide, and homicides? Don't social scientists use race and gender when predicting where you're more likely to be a victim of a violent crime.


Did you miss the part where I explained quite explicitly that, "there's nothing wrong with recognizing that certain behaviors or offenses are overwhelmingly perpetrated by people of one particular demographic group?"

Did you?

That isn't my issue.  My issue is the temptation of the racist to extend demographically isolated incidents to all people of the same demographic.  As I said, there is NO reason to "joke" that the president will plant a watermelon patch or modify presidential vehicles with spinners/large diameter wheels/etc. other than naked racism.
2013-03-16 10:06:14 PM
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Rodeodoc: feckingmorons: So you think it is OK that our elected officials aren't doing enough to stop the violence in our black communities?

Is there some reason it's the responsibility of government to stop the violence in black communities?  Are you suggesting black people lack the desire, motivation, or skill sets to stop murdering each other in their own communities.  Are you suggesting that black people have lived off government largesse for so long they are incapable of independent thought or action without some Uncle Tom taking them by the hand? There is no room for such racist thought, sir.


my favorite one of the thread so far
2013-03-16 10:04:26 PM
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GEEZUS pharkING CRISCO. stop biatching about race.

The culture id the problem. It isn't all black, but it IS all stupid.
2013-03-16 10:03:53 PM
1 votes:
Controlling the availability of shoes will curtail gun violence.

/snicker
2013-03-16 10:03:08 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: GAT_00: eraser8: What's your point?

His point is that all black people are criminals.

I don't see where anyone said that. I got his point to be that the PR machine of big footwear maker Nike forces its retailers to hold back stock until a certain time to create a buying frenzy. The target market happens to be urban youth, but if Naturalizer (another big footwear play - Brown Shoe Co. is huge) did the same thing with the elderly and they were hitting each other with canes there would be calls to make it stop.

Have our legislators given up on the young black men and women in our country? Why are there no calls for action to stop these tragedies?


I'm sorry, but that would be farking hilarious to watch... A bunch of oldsters shouting at each other, whacking each other with canes, ramming each other with mobility scooters... How awesome.

I think most of the people who fight over these shoes are not intending to wear them-- They're intending to sell them for a profit. We see the same profiteering bullshiat with video game consoles, hot Christmas toys, concert tickets and collectibles.

I used to work at a store where they had "Hot Wheels events" which are sponsored by Mattel. They send boxes of toy cars, and some of them are exclusives. The event is MEANT for children, but they've had to impose rules to make sure parents stay back and don't coach the kids to get all the collectible stuff they can flip on ebay. After the kids get the first pick, the adults can come clean up the rest.

You wouldn't believe how nasty, pushy, and sometimes violent these Hot Wheels guys get. They're jerks of the highest order. They fill their cart with as many as they can get their pudgy hands on, and then they steal from each other's carts! They buy HUNDREDS of them at one time. And they will argue with each other over the dumbest damned things... And pretty much all of these guys are white.

I've seen Black Friday violence that would make most people think twice about even going outside on the day after Thanksgiving.

It's not about race. It's about greed and ignorance.
2013-03-16 10:01:16 PM
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feckingmorons: Hello..... name callers...... where are you ideas to stop these violent sneaker shootings?

Do you not have any?

Do you only have venom and racism to spew?

We thought so.


Serious answer?

First, the culture needs to change.  People are using status symbols to define themselves.  I'm not sure how you'd go about changing that, but it has to go.

Second, I blame Nike and Michael Jordan.  They're maximizing profits with artificial scarcity.  They know that leads to shootings and stabbings.  Assholes.  Simply make enough for everyone.  It's not like Nike is short on labor, materials, factories, distribution, etc.  They would have to sell at a lower price but would probably make it up in volume.
2013-03-16 09:57:27 PM
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ZeroCorpse: Now, this is not a race thing. This is an ignorance thing. There are plenty of white trash kiddos beating each other up over Air Jordans and other athletic shoes, as well as other kinds of bling/swag.

It's about upbringing and personal responsibility. Race is not an automatic indicator of idiocy.


Yes, that is exactly the point, yet there are several people who insist on calling everyone a racist when we try to come up solutions. Sure the shoes are popular in the black community, but anyone can buy these shoes - we are in a free country!

How can we stop these crimes, that is the question and you have clarified it perfectly.
2013-03-16 09:55:53 PM
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spawn73: feckingmorons: We could stop these senseless shootings, assaults, fights and riots if we simply outlawed the timed release of these shoes. They should be announced by the manufacturer as being out 'sometime in March" or whatever month it is and the various stores should be able to sell them as soon as they are delivered. Don't let the stores advertise their availability until they are truly on the shelf so no one lines up to get them.

They're shooting people over athletic shoes. We could control this with common sense laws.

Yeah, we have to make laws because low class blacks get in fights over low class shoes.


We'll we're doing it because some crazy people were afforded access to guns by irresponsible people. Aren't more common sense laws the answer?
2013-03-16 09:54:54 PM
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eraser8: feckingmorons: So your point that racist images can quickly be found on the Internet because you do it frequently and time it with a stopwatch is what exactly?

Who knew I controlled GIS...all by my lonesome?

In any case, the issue remains:   let's not lose sight of the fact that it was YOU who said I was exhibiting "racism [masked by] false concern."   I never treated you in the same way...so, I'm left again with the same question I asked earlier:  what, exactly, is it that you think I'm suggesting?  And, how does whatever suggestion you've discerned amount to "racism [masked by] false concern?"


You're the one with a 'procedure' to find racist images, not anyone else in this thread (as far as I know) .

Don't you understand what false concern is? You pretend to be concerned about people on Fark being racist, but you spend time looking for and scoring how long it takes to find racist pictures on the Internet. I don't think you're truly concerned, but embarrassed or guilty that you enjoy reading racist things and looking at racist pictures.

It is like the preacher who spends Saturday night looking at dirty pictures, and Sunday morning giving a sermon about the evils or pornography.
2013-03-16 09:51:13 PM
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: Black people problems


Well, not entirely. These affect all of us as a society.

Can't big footwear work with us for a solution. Do we need legislation or can we count on their help?
2013-03-16 09:48:23 PM
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eraser8: feckingmorons: Why are you harping on this, why do you want people to find racism.

It isn't my place to either encourage or discourage people from looking for racism.  But, YOU implied something about my facility for finding these images.  YOU were the one who asked, "Why can you find these racist images so quickly? Are they on your hard drive? "

I offered my procedure to thread as a whole to prove that local storage of these images isn't necessary.  Are you now willing to admit that these images can be found exceedingly quickly, without art?  Are you willing to admit that simple searches bring return these images in large numbers?


So your point that racist images can quickly be found on the Internet because you do it frequently and time it with a stopwatch is what exactly?

All I can gather is that you like looking at racist images. I'm sure you'll find plenty, but remember you're judge by the company you keep.
2013-03-16 09:46:59 PM
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MrHappyRotter: Anderson's Pooper: feckingmorons: You don't see these shootings at work boot sales.

Or at sales for ballerina slippers

You are racist.


Why do you keep saying that like it's a bad thing?
2013-03-16 09:43:13 PM
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memeorama.com
2013-03-16 09:42:14 PM
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eraser8: feckingmorons: I don;t believe that.

I'm not sure how that matters.  I expect there are lots of phenomena in popular culture that I ignore that you're probably intimately acquainted with.

But, I noticed you haven't bothered to answer my question.  So, again:  Let's not lose sight of the fact that it was YOU who said I was exhibiting "racism [masked by] false concern."   I never treated you in the same way...so, I'm left again with the same question I asked earlier:  what, exactly, is it that you think I'm suggesting?  And, how does whatever suggestion you've discerned amount to "racism [masked by] false concern?"


I thought it was clear. I'm suggesting you're a racist. You try to stir the pot, you post racist pictures, and you accuse everyone else of being a racist.... probably to hide your own guilt at being such a racist.
2013-03-16 09:39:22 PM
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eraser8: Elvis_Bogart: eraser8: But, let's test your hypothesis. I'm going to start a timer and search GIS for "Obama watermelon patch." Let's see how long it takes me to find a racist image.

It took the same amount of time to search for "Obama Is Jesus".

What is your point?

That I don't need to have these images on my hard drive (which is what  feckingmorons suggested) to find them very, very quickly.

Try it for yourself.  Seriously.  Enter "Obama watermelon patch" into GIS and see how long it takes for obviously racist imagery to pop up.  If it takes more than 1 second, you need a faster internet connection.



Why are you harping on this, why do you want people to find racism. Yes, we know it exists. That is a sad fact. You seem to want to cultivate it while the rest of us want to drive it into the ground.

You're not supposed to hotlink images. Why would you want to give more hits to racists? Are those your websites? Are you making money off racism?
2013-03-16 09:33:49 PM
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Happy Hours: Not sure if serious, but in case you are, you're suggesting limiting free speech and imposing unreasonable restrictions on commerce.


Sure hype them up, but set up a waiting list, or let the stores sell them as the UPS guy delivers them and not hold them back until some kickoff event which has time and time again been violent. Manufacturers have to be responsible too.

Free speech can be limited to protect the public's safety. Commercial free speech is much less protected than individual free speech.

I mean we can add more restrictions to guns - those are in the Consitution too just like free speech - to keep our communities safer, can't we ask for a little cooperation from shoe makers? Can't we have some common sense laws to address this tragic violence that is reported each time a new Air Jordan comes out? How many more people have to be injured or killed because of sneakers?
2013-03-16 09:30:09 PM
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Hello..... name callers...... where are you ideas to stop these violent sneaker shootings?

Do you not have any?

Do you only have venom and racism to spew?

We thought so.
2013-03-16 09:10:39 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: eraser8: I mean, other than abject racism, why would anyone believe that President Obama was likely to modify presidential vehicles with "spinners" or oversize wheels or such?

There is no other reason.


Other than you two, I don't think anyone thinks that our president would do such a thing. Why do you have pictures like that, does it excite you to look at them and be racist in private, while putting on the concerned liberal face in public?

Like Chris Matthews bringing up the birther nonsense asking why people keep talking about it when he is the only one talking about it. You seem intent to paint everyone as racists. I think it might be because you feel guilty for being a racist.

So you think it is OK that our elected officials aren't doing enough to stop the violence in our black communities?
2013-03-16 09:00:23 PM
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GAT_00: eraser8: What's your point?

His point is that all black people are criminals.


I don't see where anyone said that. I got his point to be that the PR machine of big footwear maker Nike forces its retailers to hold back stock until a certain time to create a buying frenzy. The target market happens to be urban youth, but if Naturalizer (another big footwear play - Brown Shoe Co. is huge) did the same thing with the elderly and they were hitting each other with canes there would be calls to make it stop.

Have our legislators given up on the young black men and women in our country? Why are there no calls for action to stop these tragedies?
2013-03-16 08:57:22 PM
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eraser8: feckingmorons: GAT_00: Oh goodie, I was just waiting here for the not so subtle racist posts to start.

You don't see these shootings at work boot sales.

What's your point?


There are never lines for work boot sales. They are not hyped in the media like these sneakers are. The media in cahoots with the Nike PR machine, a key player in big footwear, gin up these things and cause these incidents to happen.

Common sense laws prohibiting these 'grand unveiling' events is all we need. They're shooting children over sneakers.
2013-03-16 08:12:32 PM
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Snarfangel: No one but professional athletes require Air Jordans. At the very least, there should be a ten-day waiting period before you can purchase them.


That is a good idea, take a deposit and set up a waiting list. When your size comes in they call you. No lines in which to start shooting people.

Yes, certain people should get them first, professionals like basketball players who need shoes like that for their jobs.
2013-03-16 07:54:18 PM
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Who shot who in the what now?
 
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