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2013-03-16 05:06:30 PM
Damn, that's only two weeks out.

/time for Matt Smith to finally shine (hopefully).
 
2013-03-16 05:48:52 PM
It's looking rather like we're getting an even more companion-focused series than before. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
 
2013-03-16 06:50:03 PM

rynthetyn: It's looking rather like we're getting an even more companion-focused series than before. I'm not sure how I feel about that.


BBC America trailer.
 
2013-03-16 06:51:47 PM
For those with AdBlock (et al) and don't wish to try to figure out which of the various sub-sites you need to enable to show the "exclusive" video, here it is on YouTube via the BBC: Link.

Also: Time Bandit?
 
2013-03-16 06:54:20 PM

Dwight_Yeast: BBC America trailer.


Right, sorry; mine was the BBC's, not BBCA's.
 
2013-03-16 06:54:53 PM

Dwight_Yeast: rynthetyn: It's looking rather like we're getting an even more companion-focused series than before. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

BBC America trailer.


Good point.
 
2013-03-16 06:55:39 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Damn, that's only two weeks out.

/time for Matt Smith to finally shine (hopefully).


If you haven't seen the greatness in the last few seasons, don't bother.
 
2013-03-16 07:02:29 PM

Surool: If you haven't seen the greatness in the last few seasons, don't bother.


Meh, he's going to biatch and moan for the rest of eternity. While I have a lot of complaints about the past few seasons, they've been a big step up since the RTD-era. The RTD-era was mostly terrible terrible episodes with a few gems. The Moffat era has meen mostly okay episodes with a few gems and a few stinkers. The biggest flaw is that "fun" trumps "logic".
 
2013-03-16 07:07:10 PM
BRING BACK CAPTAIN JACK!
 
2013-03-16 07:07:31 PM
I didn't realize it was already time for the new episodes. That's going to be a great weekend of TV:  new Who, new Game of Thrones, and the finale of Walking Dead.
 
2013-03-16 07:10:30 PM

t3knomanser: Surool: If you haven't seen the greatness in the last few seasons, don't bother.

Meh, he's going to biatch and moan for the rest of eternity. While I have a lot of complaints about the past few seasons, they've been a big step up since the RTD-era. The RTD-era was mostly terrible terrible episodes with a few gems. The Moffat era has meen mostly okay episodes with a few gems and a few stinkers. The biggest flaw is that "fun" trumps "logic".


I'm just tired of the whining. Seriously, you watched 2.5 years of a show you claim not to like much?
 
2013-03-16 07:17:36 PM
Dammit, wish I didn't have to wait on Netflix to add more seasons.
 
2013-03-16 07:20:06 PM
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www.bbcamerica.com

i257.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-16 07:24:33 PM

ArcadianRefugee: YouTube via the BBC


Thanks for that -- the BBC is getting a much better series than we are!

Woohoo! ice Warrior!
 
2013-03-16 07:31:01 PM

Surool: I'm just tired of the whining. Seriously, you watched 2.5 years of a show you claim not to like much?


I just spent a month churning through Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and am now working my way through Star Trek: Voyager; the latter is a gods-awful show.

But I'm sticking with it. I can't talk about how DS9 failspales in comparison to Babylon 5, or how really truly terribly written Voyager was if I haven't watched it. Even if that means all of it.
 
2013-03-16 07:33:25 PM

loser0: ArcadianRefugee: YouTube via the BBC

Thanks for that -- the BBC is getting a much better series than we are!


After realizing (learning) how BBCA chops up the shows, I torrent the BBC airings rather than watch the recorded BBCA ones. 9 times out of ten, this also means I get to watch it before BBCA airs it.
 
2013-03-16 07:33:37 PM

t3knomanser: Surool: If you haven't seen the greatness in the last few seasons, don't bother.

Meh, he's going to biatch and moan for the rest of eternity. While I have a lot of complaints about the past few seasons, they've been a big step up since the RTD-era. The RTD-era was mostly terrible terrible episodes with a few gems. The Moffat era has meen mostly okay episodes with a few gems and a few stinkers. The biggest flaw is that "fun" trumps "logic".


Wha?  The RTD era had some stinkers, but a large majority of the episodes were either great, good, or passable.  The Moffat era has had a couple of good ones, but this season has been nothing but crap so far.  This is the guy who decided to put together a series with the "movie poster" idea.  If that doesn't sound like grasping, I don't know what does.

\Family of Blood, and The Doctor Dances are probably two of the best episodes ever
 
2013-03-16 07:33:42 PM

ArcadianRefugee: For those with AdBlock (et al) and don't wish to try to figure out which of the various sub-sites you need to enable to show the "exclusive" video, here it is on YouTube via the BBC: Link.

Also: Time Bandit?


Warwick Davis at 0:08

/*squee*
 
2013-03-16 07:35:01 PM
1. Why is it that 11 looks 20 years older, aside from being soaked?
2. Did anyone else get an "Ace" vibe by Oswin's jacket?
3. Was that Tennant narrating? Yes, I pondered this before seeing 10's overcoat at 0:35.
 
2013-03-16 07:37:20 PM
Dr Who is a kids show. Grow the fark up!

/my kids loved it
//but then they started asking questions
///why Fark.com not ask questions?
 
2013-03-16 07:37:43 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Dammit, wish I didn't have to wait on Netflix to add more seasons.


Expat Shield + BBC iPlayer

/just saying
//If I could subscribe to full episodes on BBC America streaming online I would
///at least Netflix gets Arrested Development (yippee!)
 
2013-03-16 07:40:10 PM

ArcadianRefugee: loser0: ArcadianRefugee: YouTube via the BBC

Thanks for that -- the BBC is getting a much better series than we are!

After realizing (learning) how BBCA chops up the shows, I torrent the BBC airings rather than watch the recorded BBCA ones. 9 times out of ten, this also means I get to watch it before BBCA airs it.


Really?  I knew Downton was chopped up but I didn't realize Dr Who was too.

Okay, I take it back.  I wouldn't pay for streaming Dr Who Episodes via BBC America.
 
2013-03-16 07:41:15 PM
For some reason, I'm thinking that the last three episodes are a trilogy. My guess is something like the last two are a two-parter with the one before them setting it up in the last few episodes.

Just feels like they will do something to mix up the stand-alones and build to the 50th anniversary special.

Also, when they switched from Spring to Fall, we were promised that would be the same way each year going forward with no giant gaps (to mirror American series).

Now it seems like the fall is only going to be 2 episodes (50th/Christmas).....dammit
 
2013-03-16 07:42:25 PM
Is anyone else wondering if Clara is going to die in every episode a la Kenny from South Park?  I mean, she has died in every episode she's been in so far.
 
2013-03-16 07:42:27 PM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 2. Did anyone else get an "Ace" vibe by Oswin's jacket?


Where does this come from? I know Bernard Sumner wears a jacket in the "Touched by the Hand of God" video that says "Ace" on the back, but that's my only reference.
 
2013-03-16 07:42:35 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Family of Blood, and The Doctor Dances are probably two of the best episodes ever


Great episodes. But there are so many terrible, terrible ones. Eccleston's finale and the episodes leading up to it- awful. Pretty much anything with Martha in it (I actually hate "Gridlock" more than "Love and Monsters"). I really, really hated the whole "Cybermen from a parallel universe" thing. It removed much of what made the Cybermen interesting, at least to me. I also hated "The Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit"- the only thing I enjoyed in that was the little bit of subtle fan-service on the voice acting, but in the end, it just made me wish that we had Sutekh back.
 
2013-03-16 07:43:02 PM
4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?

/that one's for the classic 'vians, of course.
 
2013-03-16 07:45:13 PM

fusillade762: Where does this come from?


i131.photobucket.com
One of the classic companions. It's a pity that about half of the writers didn't know what to do with her. She's a badass who mixes up explosives for fun and once beat a Dalek down with a baseball bat- but in half her episodes she's a whiny bint who quails at danger.
 
2013-03-16 07:45:22 PM

fusillade762: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 2. Did anyone else get an "Ace" vibe by Oswin's jacket?

Where does this come from? I know Bernard Sumner wears a jacket in the "Touched by the Hand of God" video that says "Ace" on the back, but that's my only reference.


Sorry, forgot to add that it's the one she wears when on the sub.
 
2013-03-16 07:45:34 PM

ApatheticMonkey: Is anyone else wondering if Clara is going to die in every episode a la Kenny from South Park?  I mean, she has died in every episode she's been in so far.


They tried that already

doctorwhotv.co.uk
 
2013-03-16 07:45:49 PM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?


"City of Death".
 
2013-03-16 07:47:34 PM

Mincer: Dr Who is a kids show. Grow the fark up!

/my kids loved it
//but then they started asking questions
///why Fark.com not ask questions?


Grew up watching Dr. Who (Tom Baker was my first). If I've got to "Grow Up" and stop watching Dr. Who, thanks but no thanks. Matter of fact, I watch it with my daughter. Best bonding experience I can imagine is discussing our favorite episodes. Well, aside from which "Supernatural" episodes and what the earliest moments of the universe, say in the 10−11 seconds, would have been like.

If chatting away about the formation of baryons and in the blink of an eye having a heated debate about which was the cooler vehicle, the Tardis or a '67 Impala, with my child then dang it, I don't want to be right!
 
2013-03-16 07:48:33 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ArcadianRefugee: loser0: ArcadianRefugee: YouTube via the BBC

Thanks for that -- the BBC is getting a much better series than we are!

After realizing (learning) how BBCA chops up the shows, I torrent the BBC airings rather than watch the recorded BBCA ones. 9 times out of ten, this also means I get to watch it before BBCA airs it.

Really?  I knew Downton was chopped up but I didn't realize Dr Who was too.

Okay, I take it back.  I wouldn't pay for streaming Dr Who Episodes via BBC America.


Yeah. Because they have to edit it to insert advertising, sometimes they need to chop it down in size as well. To quote the Tardis Wikia:

BBC America is budgeted independently of the BBC. This has had some consequences for its audience. It has created the need for the channel to run advertisements to generate revenue. In some cases - such as unusually long episodes of Doctor Who like Journey's End - BBC America has aired versions missing significant portions of the BBC One versions (though it should be noted these are rebroadcasts of episodes previously aired by Syfy; BBCA did not begin airing episodes first-run until [[DW]: The Next Doctor.

In some parts of the United States, BBC America runs a secondary service called "BBC America On Demand". For an additional fee, subscribers receive largely commercial-free versions of the shows running on BBC America. Thus, in a sense the network does offer some BBC content in more or less the way it was intended to be seen.
 
2013-03-16 07:49:29 PM

ApatheticMonkey: Is anyone else wondering if Clara is going to die in every episode a la Kenny from South Park?  I mean, she has died in every episode she's been in so far.


Maybe she's trying to outdo Rory.
 
2013-03-16 07:51:14 PM

fusillade762: BRING BACK CAPTAIN JACK!


Closest you're going to get at the moment is watching Barrowman on Arrow. They just added Alex Kingston to the Arrow cast as well.
 
2013-03-16 07:52:44 PM

rynthetyn: fusillade762: BRING BACK CAPTAIN JACK!

Closest you're going to get at the moment is watching Barrowman on Arrow. They just added Alex Kingston to the Arrow cast as well.


Did that show get any better? The first couple of episodes had a "Smallville meets Dynasty" vibe that I just couldn't get into.
 
2013-03-16 07:52:46 PM

rynthetyn: fusillade762: BRING BACK CAPTAIN JACK!

Closest you're going to get at the moment is watching Barrowman on Arrow. They just added Alex Kingston to the Arrow cast as well.


You just made me interested in watching that show, despite the fact that the Green Arrow sucks.
 
2013-03-16 07:59:22 PM

t3knomanser: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?

"City of Death".


Cool, not yet seen and also on Netflix. Thanks. How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?
 
2013-03-16 08:01:13 PM

Snapper Carr: rynthetyn: fusillade762: BRING BACK CAPTAIN JACK!

Closest you're going to get at the moment is watching Barrowman on Arrow. They just added Alex Kingston to the Arrow cast as well.

Did that show get any better? The first couple of episodes had a "Smallville meets Dynasty" vibe that I just couldn't get into.


It's not a great show, but it is quite watchable and entertaining. It has been getting better with each episode as they develop the characters more and more and the show finds its footing and it's definitely better than the first few episodes were.
 
2013-03-16 08:01:59 PM

t3knomanser: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Family of Blood, and The Doctor Dances are probably two of the best episodes ever

Great episodes. But there are so many terrible, terrible ones. Eccleston's finale and the episodes leading up to it- awful. Pretty much anything with Martha in it (I actually hate "Gridlock" more than "Love and Monsters"). I really, really hated the whole "Cybermen from a parallel universe" thing. It removed much of what made the Cybermen interesting, at least to me. I also hated "The Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit"- the only thing I enjoyed in that was the little bit of subtle fan-service on the voice acting, but in the end, it just made me wish that we had Sutekh back.


I think this was because of the "reboot."  RTD was very aware that he was starting over with a new generation and did not want to make too many references to the classic show.  Still, I liked these guys better than the Colin Baker Cybermen, who spoke like Bela Lugosi ... "Good, good!  HAHAHAHAHA!"

There were a few decent Martha episodes, and I know "Love and Monsters" is widely hated (though I liked it quite a bit), but RTD did bring in a lot of good ones -- "Dalek," "Waters of Mars," and so on.  When I think of Moffat's run, I can only think of one or two episodes that had the same consistency as, say, "Midnight" or "Silence in the Library."

I have to say, the only episodes I wince while watching from the Tennant era are "Fear Her" and the "Daleks in Manhattan" arc.  The rest, I can sit through and have varying levels of thought/enjoyment.  Yet, when I think of Moffat's shows, I can only think of a very small handful that I actually enjoyed and wanted to see more than once--"Christmas Carol," "The God Complex," and "Vincent and the Doctor" are the only ones that leap to mind.
 
2013-03-16 08:05:51 PM
I no longer watch "Dr. Who." The production values are too good. I want to see cheesy props and clumsy special effects, like the old days. I want to see the wires the tardis is hanging from. On top of that, and I don't know if this is true of British TV in general or just this show, they don't know how to end an episode. On American TV the adventure and suspense goes on right until the very last minute, the problem is resolved and everyone high fives or someone states the important lesson they've all learned. Then it's final credits and a commercial. On Dr. Who, everything gets resolved with ten minutes to spare and the rest of the show is spent on character development and angst-y hand-wringing. They don't even set up a decent cliffhanger for the next episode. I don't remember that from the Tom Baker episodes I used to watch. It may be a British thing, but I find it disappointing, unappealing, and ultimately, annoying. I've got better things to do than watch Matt Smith get all weepy about how his best friends have been erased from time... forever! I just want to smack him.

Sorry.
 
2013-03-16 08:13:50 PM

clambam: I no longer watch "Dr. Who." The production values are too good. I want to see cheesy props and clumsy special effects, like the old days. I want to see the wires the tardis is hanging from. On top of that, and I don't know if this is true of British TV in general or just this show, they don't know how to end an episode. On American TV the adventure and suspense goes on right until the very last minute, the problem is resolved and everyone high fives or someone states the important lesson they've all learned. Then it's final credits and a commercial. On Dr. Who, everything gets resolved with ten minutes to spare and the rest of the show is spent on character development and angst-y hand-wringing. They don't even set up a decent cliffhanger for the next episode. I don't remember that from the Tom Baker episodes I used to watch. It may be a British thing, but I find it disappointing, unappealing, and ultimately, annoying. I've got better things to do than watch Matt Smith get all weepy about how his best friends have been erased from time... forever! I just want to smack him.

Sorry.


You sound like someone who would love Voyager. Effects are good enough, but the writing1 (per episode and overall) is abysmal. And they solve1 the problem1 late enough that there is usually only a minute or two to hand-wring or drive home the episode's lesson.

1 usually involving the transporter
 
2013-03-16 08:24:57 PM
Let me get it out of the way...

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE E EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~!
 
2013-03-16 08:27:37 PM
I did like Voyager. I lost interest in Deep Space Nine pretty quickly, though. TNG was pretty spotty for most of the first season, until they got to the episode where the bad guys were eating handfuls of mealworms and they blew the head off a guy and an enormous grub sticks its head out. Now that was exciting. Enterprise was dreadful, and whoever though of wasting two of the last three episodes on an "evil parallel universe" story and then jamming in the entire "founding of the Federation" story into about half an episode should be taken out and shot. I like adventure and weird aliens, not insights into the human condition as revealed by their interactions with aliens who look suspiciously like human beings in heavy make-up. If you're really interested in the human condition, there are these things called "poetry" and "literature."

In my opinion the greatest science fiction novel ever written is Jack Vance's "Tschai: Planet of Adventure." No deeper meaning, no insight into the human soul, just rollicking good adventure and the most alien aliens (and humans!) you'll ever encounter. I'd pay good money to see that in a movie theater.
 
2013-03-16 08:29:25 PM

ArcadianRefugee: For those with AdBlock (et al) and don't wish to try to figure out which of the various sub-sites you need to enable to show the "exclusive" video, here it is on YouTube via the BBC: Link.

Also: Time Bandit?


Thank you. I gave up after turning on the 5th one and there were more in the list each time.

Just watched the Christmas special last night. Still undecided about Clara so far. In this house we still miss Rose, but that may be just because she was the first in the new series, and it was SO much fun.
 
2013-03-16 08:35:42 PM

Mincer: Dr Who is a kids show. Grow the fark up!

/my kids loved it
//but then they started asking questions
///why Fark.com not ask questions?


"What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish sometimes?"- The (fourth) Doctor
 
2013-03-16 08:38:26 PM
Doctor Who fans take this show way to farking seriously. It is a family show that yes does make you think, but you guys seriously way over think it. Nothing can please the hard core fans of this show. You know what I am wasn't a huge fan of the RTD era, only because of how much the ruined a chance to make some characters be awesome (IE Martha). Then Moffat takes over, and people are biatching about there is no more Tennant. The female Doctor Who Fans loved him, because he was hot, and to a lot of people he was the first Doctor. So there is a sentimental attachment to it, but get the fark over it. Smith is an amazing Doctor, and I love how complex he can be with his moods, feelings, and ideas. I liked the Ponds too, yes they were getting over done, but they are gone now. So shut up. Yes this season hasn't been as strong as the previous years, but to be fair the first half was set up for all the episodes to be stand alone, because all the ideas and money went to the last half of the season. This was done, because of the 50th anniversary coming up. The show is great over all, yes some episodes suck aren't good or maybe shiatty, but get the fark over it. There is no bad Doctor, not bad companion, it is all matter of opinion. If you think you can do better why don't you become a writer yourself, so you can take over Doctor Who when Moffat's run is over.

/Rantings over
/Not going to grammar check
 
2013-03-16 09:06:13 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Surool: I'm just tired of the whining. Seriously, you watched 2.5 years of a show you claim not to like much?

I just spent a month churning through Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and am now working my way through Star Trek: Voyager; the latter is a gods-awful show.

But I'm sticking with it. I can't talk about how DS9 failspales in comparison to Babylon 5, or how really truly terribly written Voyager was if I haven't watched it. Even if that means all of it.


I can watch pretty much any Doctor Who episode (original or the new) and still enjoy them.  I can't rewatch a single Star Trek episode without thinking - 'wow - this sucks'.
 
2013-03-16 09:08:52 PM
I wish the show could be reset back to a time when the Daleks were just starting to become a threat again. There is a great story in having the Doctor being the last Time Lord and thinking all the Daleks are gone only to have his greatest enemy show up again. It makes it scary and also very disheartening to see how much the Doctor sacrificed just to have it all be for nothing. It could have been a very long running theme that even though the Time War is over he still has his worst enemy out there. But they ended up condensing all of that into one season finale. Wasted potential. Now the Daleks are a throw away bad guy that is rarely a threat and not that scary. While a couple episodes show the Doctor's anger and remorse at fighting them, it never seems to compare to Eccelston's reaction in Dalek.

The Silence are a nice new underlying threat and it would be great to have them pop up randomly trying to influence events. I think there definitely needs to be a new goal in the Doctor's stories. They set one up at the end of last season but they really need to steer away from "The Doctor faces his biggest threat, potentially dying (again)" It's getting a bit old and you know he's not going to die but it's going to be some weird sequence of events. He needs a new threat and not something that involves the universe being destroyed.

Very excited for the new episodes. The break has been awkward since there wasn't much continuity and it feels like it has been forever.
 
2013-03-16 09:09:34 PM

Mincer: Dr Who is a kids show. Grow the fark up!

/my kids loved it
//but then they started asking questions
///why Fark.com not ask questions?


There are laws. There are laws of posting in DW threads. Once upon a time there were mods in charge of those laws but they died. They all died. Do you know who that leaves? Me! It's taken me all these years to realize that the laws of posting are mine and they will obey me!
 
2013-03-16 09:10:49 PM

unchellmatt: Mincer: Dr Who is a kids show. Grow the fark up!

/my kids loved it
//but then they started asking questions
///why Fark.com not ask questions?

Grew up watching Dr. Who (Tom Baker was my first). If I've got to "Grow Up" and stop watching Dr. Who, thanks but no thanks. Matter of fact, I watch it with my daughter. Best bonding experience I can imagine is discussing our favorite episodes. Well, aside from which "Supernatural" episodes and what the earliest moments of the universe, say in the 10−11 seconds, would have been like.

If chatting away about the formation of baryons and in the blink of an eye having a heated debate about which was the cooler vehicle, the Tardis or a '67 Impala, with my child then dang it, I don't want to be right!


Doing fatherhood right dot jaypegg

/we're both early forties right?
 
2013-03-16 09:31:44 PM
I peed a little from excitement. Can't. Wait.

/Haters gonna hate
//and not pee themselves
 
2013-03-16 09:58:21 PM

Snapper Carr: ArcadianRefugee: For those with AdBlock (et al) and don't wish to try to figure out which of the various sub-sites you need to enable to show the "exclusive" video, here it is on YouTube via the BBC: Link.

Also: Time Bandit?

Warwick Davis at 0:08

/*squee*


F*cking Hell Awesome.
 
2013-03-16 10:18:15 PM
Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.
 
2013-03-16 10:23:07 PM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?


Sadly, there aren't many more that are complete. "The Invasion" has a bunch of animated reconstructions, and is pretty fantastic. The Cybermen look their best in that. "Seeds of Death" is the second Ice Warriors story, and it's pretty solid.
 
2013-03-16 10:26:45 PM

jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.


Aside from Netflix?
 
2013-03-16 10:28:12 PM

Tax Boy: ApatheticMonkey: Is anyone else wondering if Clara is going to die in every episode a la Kenny from South Park?  I mean, she has died in every episode she's been in so far.

They tried that already

[doctorwhotv.co.uk image 538x720]


The best part about that cartoon is that Rory only died on *two of those occasions. Canton firing a blank at him, the "Dreamlord" incident and House's projections into Amy's brain hardly count as a death.

*Personally, I don't count "needs CPR for a bit" as a death either, but obviously that's just me.

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Cool, not yet seen and also on Netflix. Thanks. How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?


Keep in mind that Toughton was the Doctor that first encountered The Great Intelligence. Those episodes would be worth a watch because they will in some way be tied to a story arc that started with The Snowmen.
 
2013-03-16 10:30:58 PM

Shadow Blasko: jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.

Aside from Netflix?


And Amazon Prime Instant Watch.
 
2013-03-16 10:31:02 PM

MikeSass: That's what, 4 whole episodes anymore?


Replace this line with a full page rant on retardedly short tv show "seasons"
 
2013-03-16 10:31:45 PM

Shadow Blasko: jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.

Aside from Netflix?


Stupid me, I just assumed Netflix did not have them for some reason. I'll have to check it out.
 
2013-03-16 10:31:59 PM

MikeSass: Oooh, a new season!  That's what, 4 whole episodes anymore?  Well, spank my botty and color me impressed!


What are you talking about? They haven't even gotten to the half way mark of this season yet.
 
2013-03-16 10:32:43 PM

Surool: FirstNationalBastard: Damn, that's only two weeks out.

/time for Matt Smith to finally shine (hopefully).

If you haven't seen the greatness in the last few seasons, don't bother.


This season has been the worst since the reboot. The writing quality has dropped like a rock, and they seem to be having a contest to see which writer can show us how clever he is. Clever is a terrible quality in a writer, by the way. It's a way of avoiding actual character development and emotion. The extended Pond goodbye was excrutiating, for a character that had outlived her welcome over a season ago.

So, I too and hoping that we get back on track, rather than more flash bang look how clever we are. The trailer's talk about how important this companion is makes me think... not.
 
2013-03-16 10:37:15 PM

Hebalo: Surool: FirstNationalBastard: Damn, that's only two weeks out.

/time for Matt Smith to finally shine (hopefully).

If you haven't seen the greatness in the last few seasons, don't bother.

This season has been the worst since the reboot. The writing quality has dropped like a rock, and they seem to be having a contest to see which writer can show us how clever he is. Clever is a terrible quality in a writer, by the way. It's a way of avoiding actual character development and emotion. The extended Pond goodbye was excrutiating, for a character that had outlived her welcome over a season ago.

So, I too and hoping that we get back on track, rather than more flash bang look how clever we are. The trailer's talk about how important this companion is makes me think... not.


Feel free to stop watching at any time. After Star Trek: TNG, I couldn't make it through more than one season (maximum) of the other spin-offs. I stopped watching and whined about it to exactly no one. I don't understand how somebody can keep watching a show for years after they stopped liking it. Do the world a favor and stop. You'll be a better person for it.
 
2013-03-16 10:39:10 PM
Mmmm.  New seasons of Doctor Who AND Venture Brothers coming up.
 
2013-03-16 10:41:35 PM

rynthetyn: Shadow Blasko: jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.

Aside from Netflix?

And Amazon Prime Instant Watch.



Look up a wiki list of the serials, and check here.
 
2013-03-16 10:46:30 PM
I'm one of those people who has access to BBC America, but refuses to watch Doctor Who on that channel. It's crappy as hell on there. They chop it up, dumb it down with a lame intro, and then stop all the action to insert commercials. DAMN, I hate commercials!

If you have a VPN, you can get the uncut version pretty easy from the BBC web site, providing the VPN has a UK locale available.

And of course, there are other ways to see it uncut. Amazon, iTunes, P2P, etc. It all depends on whether or not you want to pay for the channel and then pay for the episodes as they are released. That's up to you.
 
2013-03-16 10:56:01 PM
hopefully this Doctor will finally die and get a good actor to replace him
 
2013-03-16 10:58:23 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Venture Brothers


when?
 
2013-03-16 11:00:47 PM

ZeroCorpse: I'm one of those people who has access to BBC America, but refuses to watch Doctor Who on that channel. It's crappy as hell on there. They chop it up, dumb it down with a lame intro, and then stop all the action to insert commercials. DAMN, I hate commercials!

If you have a VPN, you can get the uncut version pretty easy from the BBC web site, providing the VPN has a UK locale available.

And of course, there are other ways to see it uncut. Amazon, iTunes, P2P, etc. It all depends on whether or not you want to pay for the channel and then pay for the episodes as they are released. That's up to you.


I didn't have BBCA until recently. I watched 11's first episode, they cut the baked beans and bacon "you're Scottish, fry something!". But the part that killed it was when the Bell sounded and the Doctor rushed back to the tardis "I'll be back" "People always say that . . ."
They cut the Doctor's response of "Do I look like people?"!

It's a simple little 10 second edit for commercials, but it helped establish how 11 sees himself. And it was touching.
 
2013-03-16 11:20:16 PM
Isn't it about time for Matt Smith to morph into an interesting character?
 
2013-03-16 11:30:25 PM

SpdrJay: Isn't it about time for Matt Smith to morph into an interesting character?


Apparently Americans can be fascinated with any bugger with a British accent... interesting and talented actors? Pfffft....
 
2013-03-16 11:39:23 PM

jennies1897: Shadow Blasko: jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.

Aside from Netflix?

Stupid me, I just assumed Netflix did not have them for some reason. I'll have to check it out.


you know when I'm in london, I like to ride the TUBE. i think that it moves us closer to new dw episodes PLUS, it is underground, it's trains arrive on the DOT, but hopefully it is clean. those are all things important to ME.
 
2013-03-16 11:51:47 PM

jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.


The bay of pirate.
 
2013-03-16 11:57:26 PM

MurphyMurphy: when?


SOON.

May 19th, iirc.
 
2013-03-16 11:58:40 PM

demonfaerie: Doctor Who fans take this show way to farking seriously.


1.  Mind telling that to fans of "The Walking Dead", "Breaking Bad", and just about every hit series that had a following?

2.  You must be fun at parties.
 
2013-03-17 12:00:57 AM

ActionJoe: I wish the show could be reset back to a time when the Daleks were just starting to become a threat again. There is a great story in having the Doctor being the last Time Lord and thinking all the Daleks are gone only to have his greatest enemy show up again. It makes it scary and also very disheartening to see how much the Doctor sacrificed just to have it all be for nothing. It could have been a very long running theme that even though the Time War is over he still has his worst enemy out there. But they ended up condensing all of that into one season finale. Wasted potential. Now the Daleks are a throw away bad guy that is rarely a threat and not that scary. While a couple episodes show the Doctor's anger and remorse at fighting them, it never seems to compare to Eccelston's reaction in Dalek.


So, obviously, you never saw "Victory of the Daleks" and "Asylum of the Daleks" or anything related to the first new season.
 
2013-03-17 12:03:35 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Mmmm.  New seasons of Doctor Who AND Venture Brothers coming up.


Finally!  Decent farking TV for once.

/Noted exceptions: "South Park", "Archer"...
 
2013-03-17 12:20:16 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Really?  I knew Downton was chopped up but I didn't realize Dr Who was too.


Everything on BBCA is butchered. Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes didn't even make sense sometimes after the cuts took out that which was later referenced.
 
2013-03-17 12:30:01 AM

The_Time_Master: jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.

The bay of pirate.


There's a torrent titled "Doctor Who - The Complete Classic 26 Seasons Collection + Extras". It has every single episode, plus the various DVD extras like interviews, featurettes, documentary shorts, inter alia.  Even the lost episodes are there, reconstructed with their original audio and either animation or production stills. Just run a search for that torrent in Vuze or some other torrent client.
 
2013-03-17 12:50:25 AM

HopScotchNSoda: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Really?  I knew Downton was chopped up but I didn't realize Dr Who was too.

Everything on BBCA is butchered. Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes didn't even make sense sometimes after the cuts took out that which was later referenced.


They need to do what they now do with Top Gear. The new Top Gear episodes run 1:20 so they can air the whole show with the requisite commercials.
 
2013-03-17 01:00:54 AM

Surool: Hebalo: Surool: FirstNationalBastard: Damn, that's only two weeks out.

/time for Matt Smith to finally shine (hopefully).

If you haven't seen the greatness in the last few seasons, don't bother.

This season has been the worst since the reboot. The writing quality has dropped like a rock, and they seem to be having a contest to see which writer can show us how clever he is. Clever is a terrible quality in a writer, by the way. It's a way of avoiding actual character development and emotion. The extended Pond goodbye was excrutiating, for a character that had outlived her welcome over a season ago.

So, I too and hoping that we get back on track, rather than more flash bang look how clever we are. The trailer's talk about how important this companion is makes me think... not.

Feel free to stop watching at any time. After Star Trek: TNG, I couldn't make it through more than one season (maximum) of the other spin-offs. I stopped watching and whined about it to exactly no one. I don't understand how somebody can keep watching a show for years after they stopped liking it. Do the world a favor and stop. You'll be a better person for it.


So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?

t3knomanser: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?

Sadly, there aren't many more that are complete. "The Invasion" has a bunch of animated reconstructions, and is pretty fantastic. The Cybermen look their best in that. "Seeds of Death" is the second Ice Warriors story, and it's pretty solid.


Yep. There are (IIRC) 6 complete Troughton serials, and two or three that are animated (or being partially animated) to complete them. That's it.

The BBC did a number on Troughton's era when they were still wiping tapes in the 70s.
 
2013-03-17 01:57:22 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: There were a few decent Martha episodes, and I know "Love and Monsters" is widely hated (though I liked it quite a bit),


I actually love that episode and was kinda surprised to hear that it was so hated. It turned me onto ELO for one. Though the ending *is* a little weird.
 
2013-03-17 02:22:07 AM

Comsamvimes: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There were a few decent Martha episodes, and I know "Love and Monsters" is widely hated (though I liked it quite a bit),

I actually love that episode and was kinda surprised to hear that it was so hated. It turned me onto ELO for one. Though the ending *is* a little weird.


Marc Warren makes the episode bearable...but only just (to this day I can't hear the opening notes of Mr Blue Sky without picturing him jumping on the bed which makes me giggle). I did sort of like the wacky Scooby Doo-like opening though.
 
2013-03-17 02:26:40 AM

Comsamvimes: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There were a few decent Martha episodes, and I know "Love and Monsters" is widely hated (though I liked it quite a bit),

I actually love that episode and was kinda surprised to hear that it was so hated. It turned me onto ELO for one. Though the ending *is* a little weird.


Hey, who doesn't want to get blown by a cement tile?
 
2013-03-17 02:28:29 AM

Comsamvimes: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There were a few decent Martha episodes, and I know "Love and Monsters" is widely hated (though I liked it quite a bit),

I actually love that episode and was kinda surprised to hear that it was so hated. It turned me onto ELO for one. Though the ending *is* a little weird.


^^ what coms said, All the places I'd heard ELO in my life and I just never got into them until after that episode.

So many things to love about that episode. The Scooby-Doo/Benny-hill different doors in the hallway schtick was great.

Anyone know offhand where that started?
 
2013-03-17 02:29:32 AM

Shadow Blasko: jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.

Aside from a tiny smattering of episodes on Netflix?


FTFY.

It's great that Netflix has some classic "Who," but it most certainly would not in any way, shape or form help jennies1897 "watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible."

Netflix has only one Hartnell, one Troughton, four Pertwee, and a handful of Baker, two Davison, and one McCoy.
 
2013-03-17 02:34:42 AM

Rwa2play: demonfaerie: Doctor Who fans take this show way to farking seriously.

1.  Mind telling that to fans of "The Walking Dead", "Breaking Bad", and just about every hit series that had a following?

2.  You must be fun at parties.


See also: people who set their clocks by when their soaps are on, pro sports fanatics, idiots who actually vote on this weeks dancer/singers/other middling talent show, etc etc...
 
2013-03-17 02:36:21 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?


How did you get that from what I said? I said, if it has been that terrible for you for so long, stop watching. I didn't say you couldn't hate it, I just don't understand how you can keep watching. Turn off the TV and wait until the next showrunner comes along and try it again.
 
2013-03-17 02:48:05 AM

Rwa2play: demonfaerie: Doctor Who fans take this show way to farking seriously.

1.  Mind telling that to fans of "The Walking Dead", "Breaking Bad", and just about every hit series that had a following?

2.  You must be fun at parties.


I don't go biatching about a show that I watch. If I don't like something I won't watch. People seriously take Doctor Who way to seriously, and that is probably because of how popular it has become. The more popular this show has become, the more biatching about how it's not the same, and its crap. Every time there is a new Doctor that comes alone, people biatch about missing the old one etc... Same goes with companions as well. The shows you don't mention don't have huge fanboys that's biatching about every little detail about the show, and compares it to the earlier incarnations of it. Granted that is hard to do with those shows, but still. You have a right to discuss a show you like, and say its missing this or that, but completely bash about it and biatch, but still watches it just for the sake of biatching it just stupid. I know that doesn't go for everyone, but a lot of fanboys I swear watch just to find something to biatch about. It seems like with the new era of Doctor Who fans, Tennant was the first Doctor they watched, so they know the RTD era well, but once the change happened, everyone hates Smith, and Moffat for ruining I Doctor Who. They were ok with the Ponds at first, because Amy was hot, but then got of her, and that is fair enough. However, if you make any sort of criticism about the RTD holy shiat do they freak out, and even if you defend Moffat's era you get a chewing. I am honestly going by the mass majority of Doctor Who fans I know personally, and the shiat I see from time to time on the internet. I think honestly fanboys are just pissed that the Moffat era with Smith has gotten Doctor Who super popular. It is the hipster effect, once it becomes popular they hate it.

/tl;dr
 
2013-03-17 02:51:49 AM

jennies1897: Shadow Blasko: jennies1897: Does anyone have insight on where to get classic who episodes online? I'd like to watch from the beginning and keep the flow as much as possible, but haven't been able to find them in one spot. I know there's some completely lost episodes, but I'd like to be able to watch the whole story for once and not just pieces.

Aside from Netflix?

Stupid me, I just assumed Netflix did not have them for some reason. I'll have to check it out.


They used to have almost all of them streaming, but they pulled a lot of the older ones, iirc.
 
2013-03-17 03:00:23 AM

demonfaerie: /tl;dr


Actually people have always biatched about DW (don't believe me? Go check out the rec.arts.drwho usenet archives). Popularity has nothing to do with it - it's because it's a geek targeted show and geeks biatch about stuff. It's what we do. It's a side-effect of our tendency to become obsessed about stuff. Go visit a fan site of any random sci-fi/fantasy TV/movie/book series and you'll find the same thing all over the internet
 
2013-03-17 04:35:15 AM

Snapper Carr: demonfaerie: /tl;dr

Actually people have always biatched about DW (don't believe me? Go check out the rec.arts.drwho usenet archives). Popularity has nothing to do with it - it's because it's a geek targeted show and geeks biatch about stuff. It's what we do. It's a side-effect of our tendency to become obsessed about stuff. Go visit a fan site of any random sci-fi/fantasy TV/movie/book series and you'll find the same thing all over the internet


And more than a few of the ideas that Moffat tossed around on Usenet made it into the show.
 
2013-03-17 04:54:37 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Surool: I'm just tired of the whining. Seriously, you watched 2.5 years of a show you claim not to like much?

I just spent a month churning through Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and am now working my way through Star Trek: Voyager; the latter is a gods-awful show.

But I'm sticking with it. I can't talk about how DS9 failspales in comparison to Babylon 5, or how really truly terribly written Voyager was if I haven't watched it. Even if that means all of it.


That's probably the saddest thing I've ever read.  Wasting your time just to more accurately hate something meaningless...   You coulda read a book, or went jogging, or brushed up on your Spanish or something.  Picked a damn flower.  Instead you choose this.  Wow.  Fark me if you're joking, but I really am not sure that you are.
 
2013-03-17 05:39:36 AM
Those monsters do look pretty awesome.
 
2013-03-17 08:10:04 AM
I'm beginning to think that Moffat is great for one-off stories with engaging plots and characters. He stinks as a head writer though. You can tell when he / the team gets a really great idea they're really excited about and absolutely cram it in to the story with all he's / they're worth even if it's way too late for that idea in the story. It usually doesn't work out well, but the idea would have been pretty neat if it fit right.

I just pray that his idea for the new companion isn't that she's the embodiment of that snow-consciousness traipsing through time and space and only that consciousness would have been strong enough to retain its identity when Dalek'd. Smith needs a good companion. I take that back, Rory was a pretty good companion. Smith needs a balanced companion so that he doesn't get dwarfed/lost on screen again.

In Moffat I trust? Ehhh... is he all you've got?
 
2013-03-17 08:48:26 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Comsamvimes: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There were a few decent Martha episodes, and I know "Love and Monsters" is widely hated (though I liked it quite a bit),

I actually love that episode and was kinda surprised to hear that it was so hated. It turned me onto ELO for one. Though the ending *is* a little weird.

Hey, who doesn't want to get blown by a cement tile?


I think that one throwaway line was what set off a whole bunch of people, and I wonder if the show would be more roundly applauded if they hadn't included it.  The other 42 minutes were actually pretty good, and a risky take, but it had some beautiful moments (Elton's mom disappearing), and it showed the Doctor could fail, and completely, which was refreshing.  Elton's final speech was also a wonderful tribute.
 
2013-03-17 08:58:39 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I think that one throwaway line was what set off a whole bunch of people, and I wonder if the show would be more roundly applauded if they hadn't included it. The other 42 minutes were actually pretty good, and a risky take, but it had some beautiful moments (Elton's mom disappearing), and it showed the Doctor could fail, and completely, which was refreshing. Elton's final speech was also a wonderful tribute.


Just don't try to argue that anything could save 'Fear Her'.
 
2013-03-17 09:00:53 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I think that one throwaway line was what set off a whole bunch of people, and I wonder if the show would be more roundly applauded if they hadn't included it. The other 42 minutes were actually pretty good, and a risky take, but it had some beautiful moments (Elton's mom disappearing), and it showed the Doctor could fail, and completely, which was refreshing. Elton's final speech was also a wonderful tribute.

Just don't try to argue that anything could save 'Fear Her'.


Not airing it might have saved "Fear Her"  If it was only available on illegal bootlegs copied from a rough-cut smuggled out of the studio before it was sent into the incinerator, a specific subset of fans would love it.
 
2013-03-17 09:08:27 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I think that one throwaway line was what set off a whole bunch of people, and I wonder if the show would be more roundly applauded if they hadn't included it. The other 42 minutes were actually pretty good, and a risky take, but it had some beautiful moments (Elton's mom disappearing), and it showed the Doctor could fail, and completely, which was refreshing. Elton's final speech was also a wonderful tribute.

Just don't try to argue that anything could save 'Fear Her'.


Oh, goodness.  The only positive thing out of that episode was Tennant, who battled gamely on with a script you could tell he knew sucked.  It showed that he was professional enough to carry the kid, and for a few moments when they first meet, you almost believe the little girl speaking like she has a sore throat MAY be possessed by aliens.

\the Olympic torch thing was somewhat amusing, at least
\\so, about three minutes of the episode were worth saving
 
2013-03-17 09:15:08 AM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: t3knomanser: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?

"City of Death".

Cool, not yet seen and also on Netflix. Thanks. How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?


The Invasion.
 
2013-03-17 09:38:38 AM

Type40: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: t3knomanser: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?

"City of Death".

Cool, not yet seen and also on Netflix. Thanks. How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?

The Invasion.


The Krotons, The Dominators, and Seeds of Death are also out on DVD.

Plus, Troughton appeared in The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, and The Two Doctors.
 
2013-03-17 12:28:54 PM
David Tennant at 0:36?
 
2013-03-17 12:33:33 PM

Surool: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?

How did you get that from what I said? I said, if it has been that terrible for you for so long, stop watching. I didn't say you couldn't hate it, I just don't understand how you can keep watching. Turn off the TV and wait until the next showrunner comes along and try it again.


Or, go fark yourself. How arrogant of you to decide what I should watch. Here's a hint, I also watch my favorite team, even if they haven't win anything in years, even when they're terrible.

So do us a favor, comment on the show if you like, but don't presume to tell me what to do. I've been watching Doctor Who for decades.

This season HAS been weak, I think it's the writers fault, and I'll bloody well say so.
 
2013-03-17 02:34:18 PM

Surool: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?

How did you get that from what I said? I said, if it has been that terrible for you for so long, stop watching. I didn't say you couldn't hate it, I just don't understand how you can keep watching. Turn off the TV and wait until the next showrunner comes along and try it again.


Ugh...what a luddite. Let me fill you in on how this works, especially since the Internet went big.

If you don't like a show, you don't stop watching it. In fact, the more you dislike a show, the more obliged you are to keep watching it, in case you might miss something you  really hate. That way, you're up to date on the latest complaints and can tell anyone, anywhere, and any time how much you dislike the show in the most current and holistic way possible. Especially if you have to go out of your way to complain about it, in fact the further out of your way you have to go the more important it is to do it, because otherwise people won't know how much you  really hate the show.

Don't let anyone tell you to stop watching it and find something to do with your time you actually like, because the payoff of watching something you hate just to complain about it later is too big to ignore. And, whatever you do,  never ever let anyone tell you to skip complaining about it, because if you don't complain about watching it, why are you even suffering through it to begin with?
 
2013-03-17 03:23:49 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Type40: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: t3knomanser: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?

"City of Death".

Cool, not yet seen and also on Netflix. Thanks. How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?

The Invasion.

The Krotons, The Dominators, and Seeds of Death are also out on DVD.

Plus, Troughton appeared in The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, and The Two Doctors.


THE TWO DOCTORS was the most odious piece of tripe ever committed to video tape.
 
2013-03-17 03:45:34 PM

that bosnian sniper: Surool: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?

How did you get that from what I said? I said, if it has been that terrible for you for so long, stop watching. I didn't say you couldn't hate it, I just don't understand how you can keep watching. Turn off the TV and wait until the next showrunner comes along and try it again.

Ugh...what a luddite. Let me fill you in on how this works, especially since the Internet went big.

If you don't like a show, you don't stop watching it. In fact, the more you dislike a show, the more obliged you are to keep watching it, in case you might miss something you  really hate. That way, you're up to date on the latest complaints and can tell anyone, anywhere, and any time how much you dislike the show in the most current and holistic way possible. Especially if you have to go out of your way to complain about it, in fact the further out of your way you have to go the more important it is to do it, because otherwise people won't know how much you  really hate the show.

Don't let anyone tell you to stop watching it and find something to do with your time you actually like, because the payoff of watching something you hate just to complain about it later is too big to ignore. And, whatever you do,  never ever let anyone tell you to skip complaining about it, because if you don't complain about watching it, why are you even suffering through it to begin with?


See you make the mistake of thinking that we HATE the show. We hate what's happened to it, we hate the first half of this season, we hate the general direction the writing has gone. But we don't hate the show.
 
2013-03-17 03:46:20 PM
Here's a better idea:  How about I watch the episode when it airs before you a-holes spoil something for me?!

/this is why I don't watch previews most of the time
//or worse is the "Previous on" spots, where they reveal that some character is going to get some air time
 
2013-03-17 04:00:30 PM
3. Was that Tennant narrating? Yes, I pondered this before seeing 10's overcoat at 0:35.

Pretty sure it was Mark Shepard again. He narrated the one last season, too, I think.
 
2013-03-17 05:07:44 PM

Hebalo: Or, go fark yourself. How arrogant of you to decide what I should watch.


I'm doing nothing of the sort. It seems entirely illogical for people like you to say the show has sucked for 2.5 years, yet you keep watching it.

It is obvious to everyone by now that you just like to whine and cry about stuff for sport.  "I don't like it but i'll keep watching it and complain for years."   that bosnian sniper has you completely pegged in spite of your weak and ineffective protestations.

Whatever, b*tch and moan to your heart's content.
 
2013-03-17 06:02:55 PM
We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline. If I were the Dr Who Showrunner I would have the restoration of Galifrey as a plotline
 
2013-03-17 06:20:48 PM
nope. not looking. not reading this thread. not going to know anything about the next season other than when it is on. I don`t want to know any fixed points in time until they happen.

la la la la la la la la laaa

I can`t hear you,
 
2013-03-17 06:21:12 PM

karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline. If I were the Dr Who Showrunner I would have the restoration of Galifrey as a plotline


You'll never be the Doctor Who showrunner if you keep abbreviating the title like that.
 
2013-03-17 06:24:03 PM
The trend seems to indicate that the companion of the 12th doctor will just be a puppy with really big eyes.
 
2013-03-17 06:45:55 PM

karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline.


NuWho has completely removed the limit on regenerations. Because it's stupid to have a series with a built-in expiration date when it's an established property that you can milk ages.
 
2013-03-17 06:55:46 PM

Surool: Hebalo: Or, go fark yourself. How arrogant of you to decide what I should watch.

I'm doing nothing of the sort. It seems entirely illogical for people like you to say the show has sucked for 2.5 years, yet you keep watching it.

It is obvious to everyone by now that you just like to whine and cry about stuff for sport.  "I don't like it but i'll keep watching it and complain for years."   that bosnian sniper has you completely pegged in spite of your weak and ineffective protestations.

Whatever, b*tch and moan to your heart's content.


But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.
 
2013-03-17 06:59:23 PM
Is the new companion a beaver, cause daaaaamn!
 
2013-03-17 07:16:22 PM

t3knomanser: karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline.

NuWho has completely removed the limit on regenerations. Because it's stupid to have a series with a built-in expiration date when it's an established property that you can milk ages.


Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord
 
2013-03-17 07:29:50 PM

fusillade762: karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline. If I were the Dr Who Showrunner I would have the restoration of Galifrey as a plotline

You'll never be the Doctor Who showrunner if you keep abbreviating the title like that.


I would also need to be an Intern over at the BBC for a while
 
2013-03-17 07:52:15 PM

karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord


I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.
 
2013-03-17 08:14:52 PM

t3knomanser: karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord
I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.


And it's not as if they can't legitimatise the change aside from a waive of a hand and the mantra, "canon, schmanon":
   *  The High Counsel of Time Lords could have authorised more (even unlimited) lives in the course of the Last Great Time War.
   *   As the self-proclaimed Time Lord Victorious, the Doctor declared in "The Waters of Mars" that the laws of time were nullified.
   *   Maybe River not only restored the lives that her Judas Tree poison killed, but increased the Doctor's net total.
   *   As President Elect of the High Counsel of Time Lords, maybe the Doctor gained more (even unlimited) lives.
   *   The Master's & Rasilon's shenanigans in "The End of Time" took care of the problem.
 
2013-03-17 08:30:17 PM

t3knomanser: karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord

I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.


I was saying that limiting it to 13 doesn't limit the show

There can always be a Doctor Who even if the original doctor finally dies
 
2013-03-17 08:36:37 PM

t3knomanser: fusillade762: Where does this come from?
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One of the classic companions. It's a pity that about half of the writers didn't know what to do with her. She's a badass who mixes up explosives for fun and once beat a Dalek down with a baseball bat- but in half her episodes she's a whiny bint who quails at danger.



She also took out Cybermen, and was the first female companion not to be depicted virginally. Sabalom Glitz and the Doctor essentially swapped 'wives' at the end of Dragonfire, with Mel running off with the space pirate, and Ace leaving her ex-lover in favour of the Doctor. The final serial of the classic era was set and mostly filmed in Ace's hometown, the village of Perivale in the west London borough of Ealing (where Sarah Jane later moved sometime between K9 & Co and TSJA.).  RTD wrote a TSJA 2-parter in which she would have guest-starred, and had gotten Sophie Aldred's commitment. It was to be filmed in the second block of the 2011 series, but then Lis Sladen died.  She would be an outstanding replacement for the kids' series.

Moffat stated that he had wanted Jack to be in "A Good Man Goes to War" but the schedule didn't work. He could have included Ace in the Doctor's militia even without  Aldred; he really missed an opportunity to have an explosion take out some Monks or Clerics and which, upon careful rewinding and frame-by-frame review, was seen to have been preceded by the appearance of one of Ace's trademark silver metal bottles of Nitro-9, capped by a timer-fuse stopper.
 
2013-03-17 08:51:35 PM

HopScotchNSoda: He could have included Ace in the Doctor's militia even without  Aldred


Little too fan-servicey. I'd love to see more classic companions come back (even if I hated the episode with Sarah Jane in it- seriously awful), but not like that. Ace would be one of the better companions to bring back.
 
2013-03-17 09:35:44 PM

Hebalo: But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.


If you can't stop watching a show you think is bad for 2.5 years, why would you stop whining in here just because people were tired of listening to you?
 
2013-03-18 09:53:40 AM

Surool: Hebalo: But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.

If you can't stop watching a show you think is bad for 2.5 years, why would you stop whining in here just because people were tired of listening to you?


Already explained that, but you're being thick on purpose now, I suspect.
 
2013-03-18 04:13:42 PM
I far prefer it when people talk about what's coming up, and speculating on the storyline over arguing endlessly with Internet Trolls who are disparaging your Favorite Show.
 
2013-03-18 04:47:45 PM

Hebalo: Surool: Hebalo: But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.

If you can't stop watching a show you think is bad for 2.5 years, why would you stop whining in here just because people were tired of listening to you?

Already explained that, but you're being thick on purpose now, I suspect.


Your explanation is almost as moronic as your actions. Enjoy your complaint-fest.
 
2013-03-18 05:15:46 PM

dready zim: nope. not looking. not reading this thread. not going to know anything about the next season other than when it is on. I don`t want to know any fixed points in time until they happen.

la la la la la la la la laaa

I can`t hear you,


Then you won't want to hear this...

My sister has been seeing some . . . interesting clues in trailers. One that she caught was something referring to The War of the Roses. It started showing up in "The Wedding of River Song". Then there were rose petals in several clips (according to her, I haven't watched all of them yet). So, she's terrified of Billy Piper showing up again.

I'm hoping it's Arkytior. She's signed on for the anniversary, and little clues like that would be much better than thinking that 10 and Rose are getting another make-out episode.

And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.
 
2013-03-18 09:03:01 PM

ykarie: And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.


What proof was required beyond 10 saying she whispered his name to him in the library?
 
2013-03-18 09:33:56 PM

100 Watt Walrus: ykarie: And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.

What proof was required beyond 10 saying she whispered his name to him in the library?


I think he meant that the Doctor's statements can't be taken too authoritatively, given Rule No. 1, but that the inscription below "Hello Sweetie" in the oldest graffiti in the universe demonstrates that she at least knows the name he used at the academy.

Speaking of River, I posted this evening something in the other concurrent DW thread, that had just occurred to me: The Doctor married step-sisters, and Amy is his double mother-in-law, owing to her accidental marriage to Henry VIII in "The Power of Three". Ten told Ood Sigma at the start of "The End of Time" that he married Elizabeth I after "The Waters of Mars".
 
2013-03-19 04:05:44 AM

HopScotchNSoda: 100 Watt Walrus: ykarie: And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.

What proof was required beyond 10 saying she whispered his name to him in the library?

I think he meant that the Doctor's statements can't be taken too authoritatively, given Rule No. 1, but that the inscription below "Hello Sweetie" in the oldest graffiti in the universe demonstrates that she at least knows the name he used at the academy.

Speaking of River, I posted this evening something in the other concurrent DW thread, that had just occurred to me: The Doctor married step-sisters, and Amy is his double mother-in-law, owing to her accidental marriage to Henry VIII in "The Power of Three". Ten told Ood Sigma at the start of "The End of Time" that he married Elizabeth I after "The Waters of Mars".


I wonder if that's crossed Moffat's mind. Not much gets past that guy time-wise. Plot-hole wise is another story (or maybe he just doesn't give a fark), but he has his time lines pretty well figured.
 
2013-03-19 10:44:23 AM

100 Watt Walrus: I wonder if that's crossed Moffat's mind. Not much gets past that guy time-wise. Plot-hole wise is another story (or maybe he just doesn't give a fark), but he has his time lines pretty well figured.


His props and CGI folks, on the other hand, have some problems with their timelines, such as the Gerkin being in the skyline in "The Big Bang", and Rory's hospital name identity card in "The Eleventh Hour".

Given his handle on time-lines, I'm still wondering how he's going to handle the extra years in Mels' life; how she went from being a toddler in January 1970 to being a ten-year-old in 1996, without an intervening regeneration.  I presume that adult white River picked up her childhood black self in the 1970s and delivered her to Leadworth in the late 90s via vortex manipulator, but who knows. Maybe it was Kovarian and the Silence, maybe the Master. Presumably, the Doctor and the TARDIS aren't anywhere near the American east coast between 1969 and 2012, and Rory implies in "P.S." that he never goes back to Britain once stuck in the past, so it's not like he & Amy took little Mels to Britain and smuggled her aboard the TARDIS to show up in their childhood. On the other hand, if she could make her way from Florida to New York, she could well have stowed away on a plane or ship, snuck into UNIT headquarters and boarded the TARDIS.  No rush, after all, since it wasn't functional until a couple of years after her regeneration.
 
2013-03-19 10:46:01 AM

HopScotchNSoda: 100 Watt Walrus: I wonder if that's crossed Moffat's mind. Not much gets past that guy time-wise. Plot-hole wise is another story (or maybe he just doesn't give a fark), but he has his time lines pretty well figured.


His props and CGI folks, on the other hand, have some problems with their timelines, such as the Gerkin being in the skyline in "The Big Bang", and Rory's hospital name identity card in "The Eleventh Hour".

Given his handle on time-lines, I'm still wondering how he's going to handle the extra years in Mels' life; how she went from being a toddler in January 1970 to being a ten seven-year-old in 1996, without an intervening regeneration.  I presume that adult white River picked up her childhood black self in the 1970s and delivered her to Leadworth in the late 90s via vortex manipulator, but who knows. Maybe it was Kovarian and the Silence, maybe the Master. Presumably, the Doctor and the TARDIS aren't anywhere near the American east coast between 1969 and 2012, and Rory implies in "P.S." that he never goes back to Britain once stuck in the past, so it's not like he & Amy took little Mels to Britain and smuggled her aboard the TARDIS to show up in their childhood. On the other hand, if she could make her way from Florida to New York, she could well have stowed away on a plane or ship, snuck into UNIT headquarters and boarded the TARDIS.  No rush, after all, since it wasn't functional until a couple of years after her regeneration.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:46 PM
Yeah, the Mels thing is a logical clusterfark. River's whole childhood is a clusterfark, and a colossal (and as near as I can tell, irresponsible and deliberate) failure on the Doctor's part. At the end of "A Good Man Goes to War," he promises Amy and Rory that he knows where their daughter is and that "on my life she will be safe." And yet, he hasn't found her by the time of the cornfield episode, and they all seem just hunky-dory about it. "Oh, it's been three months and you haven't found our infant daughter? Oh well. I'm sure she'll turn up eventually. What's the worst that could happen?"

And once they know the never-before-mentioned, not-someone-likely-to-be-friends-with-them-at-all Mels turns up and is revealed to be their daughter, it's, "Oh, well, she turned out OK (if you can call it that) without us, so I guess the fact that she was recently torn from our arms and we don't get to be parents is OK since we know she turned out to be someone we like. Who care about her horrible childhood, the Silence, and her being molded into a psychopath over a period of years because the Doctor never actually got around to finding and rescuing her? Let's go have adventures!"

/end rant
 
2013-03-20 02:47:49 AM

HopScotchNSoda: t3knomanser: karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord
I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.

And it's not as if they can't legitimatise the change aside from a waive of a hand and the mantra, "canon, schmanon":
   *  The High Counsel of Time Lords could have authorised more (even unlimited) lives in the course of the Last Great Time War.
   *   As the self-proclaimed Time Lord Victorious, the Doctor declared in "The Waters of Mars" that the laws of time were nullified.
   *   Maybe River not only restored the lives that her Judas Tree poison killed, but increased the Doctor's net total.
   *   As President Elect of the High Counsel of Time Lords, maybe the Doctor gained more (even unlimited) lives.
   *   The Master's & Rasilon's shenanigans in "The End of Time" took care of the problem.



A scene in The Five Doctors (yah, old series) had the then-President and the High Council offering the Master a completely new set of regenerations.  Not just "steal one more" like he'd been getting by on, but an entire reset.

There's a scene in the new series where the Doctor implies that the same had been done for him when he was on the front lines during the latest (so to speak) war with the Daleks.  I think it's the cell phone conversation he has with the Master, but maybe not.

If that's the case, I'd like to know where that leaves the Valeyard.
 
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