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2013-03-17 09:38:38 AM  

Type40: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: t3knomanser: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?

"City of Death".

Cool, not yet seen and also on Netflix. Thanks. How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?

The Invasion.


The Krotons, The Dominators, and Seeds of Death are also out on DVD.

Plus, Troughton appeared in The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, and The Two Doctors.
 
2013-03-17 12:28:54 PM  
David Tennant at 0:36?
 
2013-03-17 12:33:33 PM  

Surool: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?

How did you get that from what I said? I said, if it has been that terrible for you for so long, stop watching. I didn't say you couldn't hate it, I just don't understand how you can keep watching. Turn off the TV and wait until the next showrunner comes along and try it again.


Or, go fark yourself. How arrogant of you to decide what I should watch. Here's a hint, I also watch my favorite team, even if they haven't win anything in years, even when they're terrible.

So do us a favor, comment on the show if you like, but don't presume to tell me what to do. I've been watching Doctor Who for decades.

This season HAS been weak, I think it's the writers fault, and I'll bloody well say so.
 
2013-03-17 02:34:18 PM  

Surool: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?

How did you get that from what I said? I said, if it has been that terrible for you for so long, stop watching. I didn't say you couldn't hate it, I just don't understand how you can keep watching. Turn off the TV and wait until the next showrunner comes along and try it again.


Ugh...what a luddite. Let me fill you in on how this works, especially since the Internet went big.

If you don't like a show, you don't stop watching it. In fact, the more you dislike a show, the more obliged you are to keep watching it, in case you might miss something you  really hate. That way, you're up to date on the latest complaints and can tell anyone, anywhere, and any time how much you dislike the show in the most current and holistic way possible. Especially if you have to go out of your way to complain about it, in fact the further out of your way you have to go the more important it is to do it, because otherwise people won't know how much you  really hate the show.

Don't let anyone tell you to stop watching it and find something to do with your time you actually like, because the payoff of watching something you hate just to complain about it later is too big to ignore. And, whatever you do,  never ever let anyone tell you to skip complaining about it, because if you don't complain about watching it, why are you even suffering through it to begin with?
 
2013-03-17 03:23:49 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Type40: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: t3knomanser: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: 4. If I just finished the Pirate Planet, what story is the best to move on to that isn't the followup story?

"City of Death".

Cool, not yet seen and also on Netflix. Thanks. How about Troughtons that aren't Tomb, War Games, Ice Warriors, and Mind Robber?

The Invasion.

The Krotons, The Dominators, and Seeds of Death are also out on DVD.

Plus, Troughton appeared in The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, and The Two Doctors.


THE TWO DOCTORS was the most odious piece of tripe ever committed to video tape.
 
2013-03-17 03:45:34 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Surool: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, don't have an opinion if it doesn't match yours?

How did you get that from what I said? I said, if it has been that terrible for you for so long, stop watching. I didn't say you couldn't hate it, I just don't understand how you can keep watching. Turn off the TV and wait until the next showrunner comes along and try it again.

Ugh...what a luddite. Let me fill you in on how this works, especially since the Internet went big.

If you don't like a show, you don't stop watching it. In fact, the more you dislike a show, the more obliged you are to keep watching it, in case you might miss something you  really hate. That way, you're up to date on the latest complaints and can tell anyone, anywhere, and any time how much you dislike the show in the most current and holistic way possible. Especially if you have to go out of your way to complain about it, in fact the further out of your way you have to go the more important it is to do it, because otherwise people won't know how much you  really hate the show.

Don't let anyone tell you to stop watching it and find something to do with your time you actually like, because the payoff of watching something you hate just to complain about it later is too big to ignore. And, whatever you do,  never ever let anyone tell you to skip complaining about it, because if you don't complain about watching it, why are you even suffering through it to begin with?


See you make the mistake of thinking that we HATE the show. We hate what's happened to it, we hate the first half of this season, we hate the general direction the writing has gone. But we don't hate the show.
 
2013-03-17 03:46:20 PM  
Here's a better idea:  How about I watch the episode when it airs before you a-holes spoil something for me?!

/this is why I don't watch previews most of the time
//or worse is the "Previous on" spots, where they reveal that some character is going to get some air time
 
2013-03-17 04:00:30 PM  
3. Was that Tennant narrating? Yes, I pondered this before seeing 10's overcoat at 0:35.

Pretty sure it was Mark Shepard again. He narrated the one last season, too, I think.
 
2013-03-17 05:07:44 PM  

Hebalo: Or, go fark yourself. How arrogant of you to decide what I should watch.


I'm doing nothing of the sort. It seems entirely illogical for people like you to say the show has sucked for 2.5 years, yet you keep watching it.

It is obvious to everyone by now that you just like to whine and cry about stuff for sport.  "I don't like it but i'll keep watching it and complain for years."   that bosnian sniper has you completely pegged in spite of your weak and ineffective protestations.

Whatever, b*tch and moan to your heart's content.
 
2013-03-17 06:02:55 PM  
We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline. If I were the Dr Who Showrunner I would have the restoration of Galifrey as a plotline
 
2013-03-17 06:20:48 PM  
nope. not looking. not reading this thread. not going to know anything about the next season other than when it is on. I don`t want to know any fixed points in time until they happen.

la la la la la la la la laaa

I can`t hear you,
 
2013-03-17 06:21:12 PM  

karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline. If I were the Dr Who Showrunner I would have the restoration of Galifrey as a plotline


You'll never be the Doctor Who showrunner if you keep abbreviating the title like that.
 
2013-03-17 06:24:03 PM  
The trend seems to indicate that the companion of the 12th doctor will just be a puppy with really big eyes.
 
2013-03-17 06:45:55 PM  

karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline.


NuWho has completely removed the limit on regenerations. Because it's stupid to have a series with a built-in expiration date when it's an established property that you can milk ages.
 
2013-03-17 06:55:46 PM  

Surool: Hebalo: Or, go fark yourself. How arrogant of you to decide what I should watch.

I'm doing nothing of the sort. It seems entirely illogical for people like you to say the show has sucked for 2.5 years, yet you keep watching it.

It is obvious to everyone by now that you just like to whine and cry about stuff for sport.  "I don't like it but i'll keep watching it and complain for years."   that bosnian sniper has you completely pegged in spite of your weak and ineffective protestations.

Whatever, b*tch and moan to your heart's content.


But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.
 
2013-03-17 06:59:23 PM  
Is the new companion a beaver, cause daaaaamn!
 
2013-03-17 07:16:22 PM  

t3knomanser: karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline.

NuWho has completely removed the limit on regenerations. Because it's stupid to have a series with a built-in expiration date when it's an established property that you can milk ages.


Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord
 
2013-03-17 07:29:50 PM  

fusillade762: karasoth: We have two more regenerations of Dr Who in the pipeline. If I were the Dr Who Showrunner I would have the restoration of Galifrey as a plotline

You'll never be the Doctor Who showrunner if you keep abbreviating the title like that.


I would also need to be an Intern over at the BBC for a while
 
2013-03-17 07:52:15 PM  

karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord


I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.
 
2013-03-17 08:14:52 PM  

t3knomanser: karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord
I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.


And it's not as if they can't legitimatise the change aside from a waive of a hand and the mantra, "canon, schmanon":
   *  The High Counsel of Time Lords could have authorised more (even unlimited) lives in the course of the Last Great Time War.
   *   As the self-proclaimed Time Lord Victorious, the Doctor declared in "The Waters of Mars" that the laws of time were nullified.
   *   Maybe River not only restored the lives that her Judas Tree poison killed, but increased the Doctor's net total.
   *   As President Elect of the High Counsel of Time Lords, maybe the Doctor gained more (even unlimited) lives.
   *   The Master's & Rasilon's shenanigans in "The End of Time" took care of the problem.
 
2013-03-17 08:30:17 PM  

t3knomanser: karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord

I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.


I was saying that limiting it to 13 doesn't limit the show

There can always be a Doctor Who even if the original doctor finally dies
 
2013-03-17 08:36:37 PM  

t3knomanser: fusillade762: Where does this come from?
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One of the classic companions. It's a pity that about half of the writers didn't know what to do with her. She's a badass who mixes up explosives for fun and once beat a Dalek down with a baseball bat- but in half her episodes she's a whiny bint who quails at danger.



She also took out Cybermen, and was the first female companion not to be depicted virginally. Sabalom Glitz and the Doctor essentially swapped 'wives' at the end of Dragonfire, with Mel running off with the space pirate, and Ace leaving her ex-lover in favour of the Doctor. The final serial of the classic era was set and mostly filmed in Ace's hometown, the village of Perivale in the west London borough of Ealing (where Sarah Jane later moved sometime between K9 & Co and TSJA.).  RTD wrote a TSJA 2-parter in which she would have guest-starred, and had gotten Sophie Aldred's commitment. It was to be filmed in the second block of the 2011 series, but then Lis Sladen died.  She would be an outstanding replacement for the kids' series.

Moffat stated that he had wanted Jack to be in "A Good Man Goes to War" but the schedule didn't work. He could have included Ace in the Doctor's militia even without  Aldred; he really missed an opportunity to have an explosion take out some Monks or Clerics and which, upon careful rewinding and frame-by-frame review, was seen to have been preceded by the appearance of one of Ace's trademark silver metal bottles of Nitro-9, capped by a timer-fuse stopper.
 
2013-03-17 08:51:35 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: He could have included Ace in the Doctor's militia even without  Aldred


Little too fan-servicey. I'd love to see more classic companions come back (even if I hated the episode with Sarah Jane in it- seriously awful), but not like that. Ace would be one of the better companions to bring back.
 
2013-03-17 09:35:44 PM  

Hebalo: But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.


If you can't stop watching a show you think is bad for 2.5 years, why would you stop whining in here just because people were tired of listening to you?
 
2013-03-18 09:53:40 AM  

Surool: Hebalo: But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.

If you can't stop watching a show you think is bad for 2.5 years, why would you stop whining in here just because people were tired of listening to you?


Already explained that, but you're being thick on purpose now, I suspect.
 
2013-03-18 04:13:42 PM  
I far prefer it when people talk about what's coming up, and speculating on the storyline over arguing endlessly with Internet Trolls who are disparaging your Favorite Show.
 
2013-03-18 04:47:45 PM  

Hebalo: Surool: Hebalo: But apparently not here, or you'll soil your panties about it.

If you can't stop watching a show you think is bad for 2.5 years, why would you stop whining in here just because people were tired of listening to you?

Already explained that, but you're being thick on purpose now, I suspect.


Your explanation is almost as moronic as your actions. Enjoy your complaint-fest.
 
2013-03-18 05:15:46 PM  

dready zim: nope. not looking. not reading this thread. not going to know anything about the next season other than when it is on. I don`t want to know any fixed points in time until they happen.

la la la la la la la la laaa

I can`t hear you,


Then you won't want to hear this...

My sister has been seeing some . . . interesting clues in trailers. One that she caught was something referring to The War of the Roses. It started showing up in "The Wedding of River Song". Then there were rose petals in several clips (according to her, I haven't watched all of them yet). So, she's terrified of Billy Piper showing up again.

I'm hoping it's Arkytior. She's signed on for the anniversary, and little clues like that would be much better than thinking that 10 and Rose are getting another make-out episode.

And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.
 
2013-03-18 09:03:01 PM  

ykarie: And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.


What proof was required beyond 10 saying she whispered his name to him in the library?
 
2013-03-18 09:33:56 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: ykarie: And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.

What proof was required beyond 10 saying she whispered his name to him in the library?


I think he meant that the Doctor's statements can't be taken too authoritatively, given Rule No. 1, but that the inscription below "Hello Sweetie" in the oldest graffiti in the universe demonstrates that she at least knows the name he used at the academy.

Speaking of River, I posted this evening something in the other concurrent DW thread, that had just occurred to me: The Doctor married step-sisters, and Amy is his double mother-in-law, owing to her accidental marriage to Henry VIII in "The Power of Three". Ten told Ood Sigma at the start of "The End of Time" that he married Elizabeth I after "The Waters of Mars".
 
2013-03-19 04:05:44 AM  

HopScotchNSoda: 100 Watt Walrus: ykarie: And the other detail that I missed was the proof that River probably does know his real name, and at least knows the name he went to academy under. This image dug up by some farkers back in 2010 proves it.

What proof was required beyond 10 saying she whispered his name to him in the library?

I think he meant that the Doctor's statements can't be taken too authoritatively, given Rule No. 1, but that the inscription below "Hello Sweetie" in the oldest graffiti in the universe demonstrates that she at least knows the name he used at the academy.

Speaking of River, I posted this evening something in the other concurrent DW thread, that had just occurred to me: The Doctor married step-sisters, and Amy is his double mother-in-law, owing to her accidental marriage to Henry VIII in "The Power of Three". Ten told Ood Sigma at the start of "The End of Time" that he married Elizabeth I after "The Waters of Mars".


I wonder if that's crossed Moffat's mind. Not much gets past that guy time-wise. Plot-hole wise is another story (or maybe he just doesn't give a fark), but he has his time lines pretty well figured.
 
2013-03-19 10:44:23 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: I wonder if that's crossed Moffat's mind. Not much gets past that guy time-wise. Plot-hole wise is another story (or maybe he just doesn't give a fark), but he has his time lines pretty well figured.


His props and CGI folks, on the other hand, have some problems with their timelines, such as the Gerkin being in the skyline in "The Big Bang", and Rory's hospital name identity card in "The Eleventh Hour".

Given his handle on time-lines, I'm still wondering how he's going to handle the extra years in Mels' life; how she went from being a toddler in January 1970 to being a ten-year-old in 1996, without an intervening regeneration.  I presume that adult white River picked up her childhood black self in the 1970s and delivered her to Leadworth in the late 90s via vortex manipulator, but who knows. Maybe it was Kovarian and the Silence, maybe the Master. Presumably, the Doctor and the TARDIS aren't anywhere near the American east coast between 1969 and 2012, and Rory implies in "P.S." that he never goes back to Britain once stuck in the past, so it's not like he & Amy took little Mels to Britain and smuggled her aboard the TARDIS to show up in their childhood. On the other hand, if she could make her way from Florida to New York, she could well have stowed away on a plane or ship, snuck into UNIT headquarters and boarded the TARDIS.  No rush, after all, since it wasn't functional until a couple of years after her regeneration.
 
2013-03-19 10:46:01 AM  

HopScotchNSoda: 100 Watt Walrus: I wonder if that's crossed Moffat's mind. Not much gets past that guy time-wise. Plot-hole wise is another story (or maybe he just doesn't give a fark), but he has his time lines pretty well figured.


His props and CGI folks, on the other hand, have some problems with their timelines, such as the Gerkin being in the skyline in "The Big Bang", and Rory's hospital name identity card in "The Eleventh Hour".

Given his handle on time-lines, I'm still wondering how he's going to handle the extra years in Mels' life; how she went from being a toddler in January 1970 to being a ten seven-year-old in 1996, without an intervening regeneration.  I presume that adult white River picked up her childhood black self in the 1970s and delivered her to Leadworth in the late 90s via vortex manipulator, but who knows. Maybe it was Kovarian and the Silence, maybe the Master. Presumably, the Doctor and the TARDIS aren't anywhere near the American east coast between 1969 and 2012, and Rory implies in "P.S." that he never goes back to Britain once stuck in the past, so it's not like he & Amy took little Mels to Britain and smuggled her aboard the TARDIS to show up in their childhood. On the other hand, if she could make her way from Florida to New York, she could well have stowed away on a plane or ship, snuck into UNIT headquarters and boarded the TARDIS.  No rush, after all, since it wasn't functional until a couple of years after her regeneration.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:46 PM  
Yeah, the Mels thing is a logical clusterfark. River's whole childhood is a clusterfark, and a colossal (and as near as I can tell, irresponsible and deliberate) failure on the Doctor's part. At the end of "A Good Man Goes to War," he promises Amy and Rory that he knows where their daughter is and that "on my life she will be safe." And yet, he hasn't found her by the time of the cornfield episode, and they all seem just hunky-dory about it. "Oh, it's been three months and you haven't found our infant daughter? Oh well. I'm sure she'll turn up eventually. What's the worst that could happen?"

And once they know the never-before-mentioned, not-someone-likely-to-be-friends-with-them-at-all Mels turns up and is revealed to be their daughter, it's, "Oh, well, she turned out OK (if you can call it that) without us, so I guess the fact that she was recently torn from our arms and we don't get to be parents is OK since we know she turned out to be someone we like. Who care about her horrible childhood, the Silence, and her being molded into a psychopath over a period of years because the Doctor never actually got around to finding and rescuing her? Let's go have adventures!"

/end rant
 
2013-03-20 02:47:49 AM  

HopScotchNSoda: t3knomanser: karasoth: Not at all as they implied the doctor is a recycled Timelord
I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, there. Both RTD and the Moff are on record saying that there's no limit to regenerations.

And it's not as if they can't legitimatise the change aside from a waive of a hand and the mantra, "canon, schmanon":
   *  The High Counsel of Time Lords could have authorised more (even unlimited) lives in the course of the Last Great Time War.
   *   As the self-proclaimed Time Lord Victorious, the Doctor declared in "The Waters of Mars" that the laws of time were nullified.
   *   Maybe River not only restored the lives that her Judas Tree poison killed, but increased the Doctor's net total.
   *   As President Elect of the High Counsel of Time Lords, maybe the Doctor gained more (even unlimited) lives.
   *   The Master's & Rasilon's shenanigans in "The End of Time" took care of the problem.



A scene in The Five Doctors (yah, old series) had the then-President and the High Council offering the Master a completely new set of regenerations.  Not just "steal one more" like he'd been getting by on, but an entire reset.

There's a scene in the new series where the Doctor implies that the same had been done for him when he was on the front lines during the latest (so to speak) war with the Daleks.  I think it's the cell phone conversation he has with the Master, but maybe not.

If that's the case, I'd like to know where that leaves the Valeyard.
 
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