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(Fark)   Fark favorite vincent_blackshadow has been hospitalized since Superbowl Sunday. His family is in over their heads with bills and you mothercluckers better give like there's no tomorrow. DIT   (fark.com) divider line 86
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2013-03-16 05:56:44 PM
5 votes:
Why why why won't you people adopt universal (single payer) healthcare?  "Relying on the generosity of others" is not a health plan.
2013-03-16 08:54:25 PM
3 votes:
From Mrs. Blackshadow:

"OH. MY. GOSH.  We just can't get over this! We're so grateful and humbled by everyone's good wishes and generosity. ... I'm at the hospital with VB right now and I've shown him all of the comments in the thread. We're both speechless. ... Thank you, SO VERY MUCH"
2013-03-16 07:36:38 PM
3 votes:
PayPal balance:   $2,130.00 USD

I did not expect this on a Saturday, much less the day before St. Patty's Day.

IMHO, 12.fl.oz. nailed it in Arelas' memorial thread:

"I never could really put my finger on why I kept coming back to fark. The name calling, trolls, and some of the narrow thinking that I am as guilty as the next person.

Then I think I figured it out, WE are all one big dysfunctional family. We call each other names and get in our little fights but when the chips are down, we have each other's backs."
2013-03-16 05:25:18 PM
3 votes:
I wish I could. Right now, every spare penny is going to help my dad while my mom is in hospice. But I will light a candle for him and hope for the best. I'm sorry that that's the best I can do.
2013-03-16 03:51:10 AM
3 votes:
Below is a message from his wife:

"On Superbowl Sunday, Blackshadow came down with what we assumed was your garden variety flu. By Thursday he was so sick that I had to call the paramedics; he was admitted to the ICU that night; at that time they knew he had pneumonia, but further tests revealed that he had a massive MRSA infection in his bloodstream and lungs. Within 24 hours he was intubated and sedated. He went into septic shock and I almost lost him for than once; it took a week and a half just to get him stabilized. He spent nearly a month in ICU and has been slowly recovering for the past 3 weeks. The infection is gone but the damage it's done is going to take a lot of work to recover from. He IS going to recover, thank God, but we've got a long way to go yet.

At this point I'm guessing that we're going to be facing around $5,000 to cover what the insurance won't - and Blackshadow's only receiving about half what he usually earns while he's on Disability. Any amount that can be gathered through a fundraiser would be a blessing. Thank you so much."


For transparency, while I might be in charge of this fundraiser, Sir Cumference the Flatulent, Roman Fyseek, and Blackshadow's wife have access to the email and the PayPal and email account.

To donate via PayPal, please use v­b­lacksha­do­w*f­un­d­r­ai­ser[nospam-﹫-backwards]liamg*com

Please be generous.
2013-03-18 12:33:57 AM
2 votes:
Sorry, I don't know Blackshadow. But fark that, he's got some money from me now...
2013-03-17 09:59:08 PM
2 votes:
I've always liked Mr. Blackshadow.

Have a c-note.
2013-03-17 04:41:40 PM
2 votes:
Yo Fundraiser Organizer person, how hard is that $5K for the hospital? For instance, can you go down to the Finance dept at the hospital and negotiate, say you got $3500 in cold hard cash that you can pay RIGHT NOW instead of going onto a payment plan? If that's an option, go for it and you can keep any extraneous cash-ola.
2013-03-16 06:59:21 PM
2 votes:
Thank you by the way Witchdiva for letting us know what is going on, and putting this together.
2013-03-16 06:21:16 PM
2 votes:
don't know the guy but I don't need to to want to help.
2013-03-16 03:55:52 PM
2 votes:
SCARY tag, no kidding.
Speedy recovery, my friend.
2013-03-18 05:59:45 PM
1 votes:

lohphat: Franko: Why why why won't you people adopt universal (single payer) healthcare?  "Relying on the generosity of others" is not a health plan.

Because rich white people don't want services going to poor brown people.

They would rather have treatment resistant diseases flourish or huge numbers of people held back into poverty instead of giving free care to others to contain the spread of disease and suffering.

It reduces the competition for resources.


Uh, I'm against it because hospitals will be paid like medicare and medical ALREADY ARE paying them, and make pennies on the ten dollars for each claim. Which will reduce quality of care. Also, my job field goes kaput. I have a personal vested interest here. The trouble is, as it stands now, "poor" people, as you put it, have better health care than I do. If I SNEEZE WRONG, I'll have so many medical bills I'll be forced to find a street corner to pay them all. But that's because my employer paid benefits blow nads.

I'm against it because a million jobs will be gone, and because then it'd take me six months to even get one appt to see the doctor I see regularly now. People already use the ER like a doctor's office, and it'll only get worse if this is allowed to continue. I see the ins and outs that most people don't. We need cafeteria style insurance with lots of different plans because not everyone's needs are the same. Oh, and the job thing.
2013-03-18 03:09:08 PM
1 votes:
I'm a broke-ass student, so I'm really sorry I can't contribute, but I am happy that this site can be used in such a positive way. Best wishes, Vincent! I hope you make a full recovery!
2013-03-18 03:00:54 PM
1 votes:

McFifenstein: He has the Fife stamp of approval.


Cool.  I donated before I read this, so now I feel approximately 1.3x as good about it.

: ]
2013-03-18 02:56:37 PM
1 votes:
I really hope things get better for them. I'm a total lurker, so I don't really know anybody, but it still saddens me to hear about someone falling so ill and having to go through so much. I wish the family the best of luck, and fortune. Wish I could help!
2013-03-18 02:43:19 PM
1 votes:

GladGirl: No one should have to worry about paying the bills in a time of crisis. Certainly not the family of one of my favorite people. I hope that my donation will cover enough co-payments to take some of the worry off these good people's shoulders. Love ya, Mike.


And heaven knows you know enough about that *hugs*
2013-03-18 02:41:23 PM
1 votes:
No one should have to worry about paying the bills in a time of crisis. Certainly not the family of one of my favorite people. I hope that my donation will cover enough co-payments to take some of the worry off these good people's shoulders. Love ya, Mike.
2013-03-18 01:55:09 PM
1 votes:
I can donate on Friday. Keep gettin' better!
2013-03-18 01:26:36 PM
1 votes:
Another MRSA survivor here...got it in March '06 and took almost 2 years to fully recover. I am allergic to penicillin so had it very rough and almost died.

You have an awfully long road ahead of you. Accept help if you need it, ask for help when you need it, and most of all remember that you WILL get better. Never doubt that.

Sending you lots of love and good vibes.
2013-03-18 12:24:27 PM
1 votes:
My thoughts and prayers for Blackshadow and his family.

I cannot contribute at this time, but good on all of you who did.
2013-03-18 12:15:37 PM
1 votes:

Witchydiva: Shoot me an email to the above address if you keep having problems, please.


done.
2013-03-18 12:13:22 PM
1 votes:

gambitsgirl: stevarooni: Dheiner: I spent a week in the hospital getting IV antibiotics last year.  The third one worked.

:o  If the third one worked, why'd you get four antibiotics?

Not sure if serious.jpg

But


:D  Heh.  I was pretty sure that Dheiner actually meant "intravenous" antibiotics, so no, I wasn't serious.  And you're not Shirley.
2013-03-18 12:05:03 PM
1 votes:
oh no!  that's terrible
i almost lost my wife to MRSA after the doctors made a balls of the delivery of our first child...

so glad to hear he'll pull through!
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-03-18 12:02:52 PM
1 votes:

DGS: Witchydiva: It was the fee PayPal took out of a $10 donation that wasn't marked "Personal" or "Gift".
Though I'd laugh if someone sent an odd number to to be funny. :)

I'm attempting to now and I keep getting prompted to see if I'm willing to tack on the fee to my personal gift. Am I doing it wrong or is it that most people are just taking care of the fee on their own? It's not a ton and I'll cover it if that's just how it goes, I'd simply rather not give Paypal anything if I can avoid it.

(to avoid any farksnark: yes, I'm on the Personal tab, with 'Gift' radio button selected)


Actually, I believe I sorted out the issue and you can disregard.
2013-03-18 11:40:01 AM
1 votes:
Dude, knock it off.

I spent a week in the hospital getting IV antibiotics last year.  The third one worked.  You did not need to one-up me.
2013-03-18 11:28:14 AM
1 votes:
...as a sort of macabre aside, I'm really glad to be able to see this kind of love shown for one of our own without the person having to earn Beyond Fark status (Arelas, Bufu, Carl, Nasser, etc).
2013-03-18 11:20:45 AM
1 votes:

techmom: olddeegee: Johnny Swank: Still having problems with the email address. Someone please PM me the addy and I'll make it so. biatch of a thing to be going through.

-JS

What am I doing wrong. Paypal isn't taking the email addr. vblackshadow[* image 7x13]fundraiser[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]liamg[* image 7x13]com . Is that right?

The problem is that Fark adds a bunch of gobbledy-gook in the coding so that you CANNOT C&P an email address form any page or profile - it's to foil the spambots and their harvest techniques. You have to try someting else:

vblackshadow.fundraiser at the gmailplace, you know...


It worked. I've been unemployed for a couple of years, wish I could help more. Good luck!
2013-03-18 11:14:02 AM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: V_B any better today? Inquiring minds, as they verify insurance coverage for labor and delivery claims, want to know...


According to something FishWife posted on the hospital/family's journal last night, he is breathing on his own. After a month (Feb. 7th) - and they may remove the trache tube tomorrow.
2013-03-18 11:06:05 AM
1 votes:

dv-ous: Witchydiva: Sorry, back from my own doctor appointment. You guys make me cry happy tears.

Current PayPal balance:   $3,978.41 USD

I'm all for "from each according to ability" but which one of you twerps sent $0.41? Fess up.

:-)


It was the fee PayPal took out of a $10 donation that wasn't marked "Personal" or "Gift".
Though I'd laugh if someone sent an odd number to to be funny. :)

Also- kiwimoogle84 - thank you again for the awesome, incredible offer. Wow!! I know fishwife is reading this thread, but I emailed your contact information to her as well.
2013-03-18 11:06:00 AM
1 votes:

gambitsgirl: bhcompy: Strange definition of Fark favorite.  TMLO, SMH, kwame.. fark favorites.  This guy?  Farker.  Hope he gets better, thoug

Arelas. Carl. Nassar.

You named FARK legends. Favorite is saved for humans.

/although we have petitioned for a title change so as not to confuse the confusable.


Although we love TMLO, SMH, & god forbid, Kwame too
2013-03-18 10:56:19 AM
1 votes:

dv-ous: Witchydiva: Sorry, back from my own doctor appointment. You guys make me cry happy tears.

Current PayPal balance:   $3,978.41 USD

I'm all for "from each according to ability" but which one of you twerps sent $0.41? Fess up.

:-)


It probably has to do with the fees being taken out of the balance rather than being covered by the donor. Or perhaps an international donation, those can get weird.
2013-03-18 10:54:28 AM
1 votes:
You can't copy and paste from fark because of coding - you have to manually type it into PayPal:

vblacksh­a­dow*fu­n­dra­iser[nospam-﹫-backwards]l­ia­m­g*com

Shoot me an email to the above address if you keep having problems, please.
2013-03-18 10:30:07 AM
1 votes:
Just sent a donation. Get better soon!
2013-03-18 10:24:34 AM
1 votes:
holy shiat.

well, this explains why our kid didn't respond to my email about me bieng in LA last week....shiat.

Vincent_Blackshadow is one of my oldest and longest TF pals.  the "capi di tutti capi" of what used to be the LA TF Mafia.  every time i get out there we get together.  not nearly enough i know but just saying.  Bet your ass I'm helping out.

Get well bro, let's have some suds sooner than later.
2013-03-18 10:16:54 AM
1 votes:

Witchydiva: Sorry, back from my own doctor appointment. You guys make me cry happy tears.

Current PayPal balance:   $3,978.41 USD


F*CK YES

As much as you Farkers have made me crazy sometimes, this ability to rally around one of our own is why I love this community so much. I love you drunken reprobates.
2013-03-18 09:17:16 AM
1 votes:
Sorry, back from my own doctor appointment. You guys make me cry happy tears.

Current PayPal balance:   $3,978.41 USD
2013-03-18 01:57:10 AM
1 votes:
Oh no, Vince!  Met him at a Fark party, he is a super cool guy.  I'm barely scraping by at the moment, but I'll dig deep and give what I can.
Glad to hear he is on the road to recovery -- get well soon, man!
2013-03-18 12:05:15 AM
1 votes:

FishWife: All of you wonderful, amazing folks are making V_B and I cry, but in a good way.  You all ROCK.  We can't ever thank you enough for helping us; your willingness to jump in without hesitation is, well, nothing less than awesome.  Mike is improving every day; probably another couple of weeks before I can spring him from the hospital, but if his determination (read: stubborn streak) has anything to do with it, it will be sooner rather than later.  THANK YOU ALL, FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.


CONTACT ME AS SOON AS YOU SEE THE BILL. Not kidding. If ANYTHING is out of sorts, you can go as far as calling your insurance company on and telling them I'm authorized to speak on your behalf. I've done it for another Farkette and I saved her $3800 because someone calculated her deductible wrong.

If I come into any money, some is going your way.
2013-03-18 12:02:27 AM
1 votes:

smells_like_meat: gambitsgirl: M & J please breath and learn the system. There can be logic

Yes. The key is to relax (as much as you can) and take charge.

ll the folks out there that you're dealing with are not heartless monsters. The bills are generated by a machine but the folks that you negotiate with are people. You may get a hard ass now and again but most are going to be understanding.

kiwimoogle84: I may be able to help you. Ins companies aren't evil, but people make mistakes, and to patients who have no idea how to read an EOB, it can be daunting.

This is so true. Please do this. and contact me. we can help. We've been there.


Bills aren't generated by a machine. They're generated by coders who input what was done, number of days inpatient stay (per diem is how a lot of hospital claims are paid) DRG's (diagnosis related groupers- average out the cost of care for that DX and that's what they charge) and procedure codes. Then we as an insurance company get the bill and pay according to contract- or if non par, reasonable and customary rates. Or if it's an HMO, sometimes payment is the responsibility of the medical group itself and not the plan.

Point is, it's AAALLLLL people. You can't talk to the coders or billers or claims people usually, but the cust service people should certainly be versed in 1500's and UB04's (doctor's fee claims and inpatient/facility claims). They can tell if, oops, the coder put down that you had radiology (a 7XXXX code) instead of a blood draw (8XXXX code).

And with that... I'll stop speaking what probably feels like Cantonese to a non-ins person.

/it's sad that this is how I nerd out
//and I love it
2013-03-17 11:47:53 PM
1 votes:
All of you wonderful, amazing folks are making V_B and I cry, but in a good way.  You all ROCK.  We can't ever thank you enough for helping us; your willingness to jump in without hesitation is, well, nothing less than awesome.  Mike is improving every day; probably another couple of weeks before I can spring him from the hospital, but if his determination (read: stubborn streak) has anything to do with it, it will be sooner rather than later.  THANK YOU ALL, FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
2013-03-17 11:05:56 PM
1 votes:

gambitsgirl: M & J please breath and learn the system. There can be logic


Yes. The key is to relax (as much as you can) and take charge.

ll the folks out there that you're dealing with are not heartless monsters. The bills are generated by a machine but the folks that you negotiate with are people. You may get a hard ass now and again but most are going to be understanding.

kiwimoogle84: I may be able to help you. Ins companies aren't evil, but people make mistakes, and to patients who have no idea how to read an EOB, it can be daunting.


This is so true. Please do this. and contact me. we can help. We've been there.
2013-03-17 10:46:12 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Kensey: If you want to donate without having to set up a PayPal account, this may work -- copy & paste this URL into your favorite browser:

http://paypal.com/xclick/business=

and add the fundraiser e-mail address to the end before you hit Enter.  You should get a payment form that will allow you to skip the account setup.

If somebody on the receiving end can verify that 1) the $25 I sent this way from my orion-com.com address showed up, and 2) there don't appear to be weird fund holds on it, this may be a workable solution for all the other non-PayPal'ers out there.

(Thanks modmins for nuking the screwed-up link I posted earlier)

Everything about that smells like a scam....


Nope, not a scam (check my profile, I've been a Farker for a LONG time), but PayPal really REALLY wants you to sign up for an account through the normal payment channels, and this apparently bypasses that.  (Paypal better step up their game though or services like ChipIn will start eating their lunch...)
2013-03-17 10:09:07 PM
1 votes:

gambitsgirl: Basemetal!!!


Hey, gambits!
2013-03-17 09:36:05 PM
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: smells_like_meat: gambitsgirl:

The hospitals and doctors made many serious billing mistakes (mostly in their favor, go figure). They hope that you won't notice and just pay up. When you're dealing with an ill spouse its particularity difficult as I'm sure gambitsgirl remembers.

I'm going to remember this when/if dad gets well, because  from what I saw in the last week, his wife has no chance of handling the finances correctly for a long time depending on what happens... She's great at his bedside, but show her a stack of bills and she melts into a puddle...


EIP. All I have to do is verify who the insurance company is, get a copy of the UBO4, and get a schedule of benefits to confirm everything was billed correctly. 2 of 3 I can do from work, believe it or not.

Srsly, if ANYONE feels they've been screwed by the insurance, I may be able to help you. Ins companies aren't evil, but people make mistakes, and to patients who have no idea how to read an EOB, it can be daunting.
2013-03-17 07:07:14 PM
1 votes:
Um, getting the thread back on track, what's the balance and the shortfall at this time?
2013-03-17 06:25:18 PM
1 votes:
Basically TLDR

M & J please breath and learn the system. There can be logic.
2013-03-17 06:23:14 PM
1 votes:

fat_free: Yo Fundraiser Organizer person, how hard is that $5K for the hospital? For instance, can you go down to the Finance dept at the hospital and negotiate, say you got $3500 in cold hard cash that you can pay RIGHT NOW instead of going onto a payment plan? If that's an option, go for it and you can keep any extraneous cash-ola.


This! Low ball them. Hard. Sob if you have too.
2013-03-17 06:22:51 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: gambitsgirl: kiwimoogle84: gambitsgirl: fat_free: Yo Fundraiser Organizer person, how hard is that $5K for the hospital? For instance, can you go down to the Finance dept at the hospital and negotiate, say you got $3500 in cold hard cash that you can pay RIGHT NOW instead of going onto a payment plan? If that's an option, go for it and you can keep any extraneous cash-ola.

TO THOSE IN CHARGE!!!!! Make sure J_VB sees this!!!!!! Stellar idea.

There is no such thing as extra money as long as V_B is on disability and this idea is stellar.

Yes- and trust me, hospitals are like collection companies. They'd much rather have 60% for sure RIGHT NOW than possibly none if you default.

My trouble is I need ongoing care from a physician, not a hospital, so that won't fly for me. I wish it did.

I floated the system for 4 years till we had $100 left to live on with him sick and a 7 & 9 year old. But walked away fairly clean. Broken but clean.

After years of endless fighting, United Healthcare assigned us a personal representative to advocate for us. I mean I got charged for ambulance due to "out of network"?!?!?? 911 is 911 asstards. After 2 years of that crap I snapped on them and screamed logic into the phone repeatedly). They were great.

Then I dealt with Va which is why I have dark humor.

Then social security.

(va and ss both asked for the first and only check we got back cause he only lived 25 of 31 days in October. No really. No shiat).

The ONLY way you can get the bill for an ambulance ride is if the treating physician doesn't deem it an emergency. Even if it's an out of area ambulance ride (which means it was outside of 30 miles from your primary care physician) its bizarre to not have it covered. I can check on the billing rules if you like- now you've got me curious.


Oh I won. That was at the 2-year point where they auto kick back all bills. When they really realize how much this shiat gonna cost them.

It was overturned. I was on a rampage. I got an advocate. They quit getting Enraged Woman calls. It all worked. But for a while it was daunting.

I'm 4 years past his death and 6 years past the ambulance rife that set me into Incredible Hulk mode ;-D
2013-03-17 06:10:26 PM
1 votes:

smells_like_meat: gambitsgirl: There is no such thing as extra money as long as V_B is on disability and this idea is stellar.

The hospitals and doctors made many serious billing mistakes (mostly in their favor, go figure). They hope that you won't notice and just pay up. When you're dealing with an ill spouse its particularity difficult as I'm sure gambitsgirl remembers.

It would seem the the initial bills for V_B hospitalization are just now showing up and a little bit of freaking out is going on, particularly if you've never dealt with this before. My advice is to take a deep breath, put the bills aside, and focus on getting V_B well. If you ignore them for a while two good things happen: one your health care provider will slap the wrist of anyone who is overcharging, two, you buy time to think and go through the bills at your leisure. Are any out of network charges included in the bills? These are usually outrageous. Inform them that you have no obligation to pay out of net as the hospital was informed of your insurance carrier upon admission. Its the out of nets responsibility to ask. Those bills always get reduced to net levels. Often 90% or more. Are there any charges that you simply don't know what they are talking about? While in the extreme care facility for two months I was charged $200 a day by visits from a Dr. that I had never heard of. I informed my health care provider, they investigated, and it was removed.

For the most part your health care provider is your friend. If approached in a calm, friendly, business like manner most of them are glad to help straighten things out. This would best be done when V_B is well on the road to recovery. Don't be afraid to sit on the bills for a while. Nobody involved is going to threaten you or do bad things while your husbands sick.

Feel free to email me with any specific questions.

Good luck.


OMG SO MUCH THIS!!!! My rule was never pay before the 3rd notice. They WILL balance bill you.
2013-03-17 06:09:10 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: gambitsgirl: fat_free: Yo Fundraiser Organizer person, how hard is that $5K for the hospital? For instance, can you go down to the Finance dept at the hospital and negotiate, say you got $3500 in cold hard cash that you can pay RIGHT NOW instead of going onto a payment plan? If that's an option, go for it and you can keep any extraneous cash-ola.

TO THOSE IN CHARGE!!!!! Make sure J_VB sees this!!!!!! Stellar idea.

There is no such thing as extra money as long as V_B is on disability and this idea is stellar.

Yes- and trust me, hospitals are like collection companies. They'd much rather have 60% for sure RIGHT NOW than possibly none if you default.

My trouble is I need ongoing care from a physician, not a hospital, so that won't fly for me. I wish it did.


I floated the system for 4 years till we had $100 left to live on with him sick and a 7 & 9 year old. But walked away fairly clean. Broken but clean.

After years of endless fighting, United Healthcare assigned us a personal representative to advocate for us. I mean I got charged for ambulance due to "out of network"?!?!?? 911 is 911 asstards. After 2 years of that crap I snapped on them and screamed logic into the phone repeatedly). They were great.

Then I dealt with Va which is why I have dark humor.

Then social security.

(va and ss both asked for the first and only check we got back cause he only lived 25 of 31 days in October. No really. No shiat).
2013-03-17 05:34:46 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: I can help sort out bills,


Pls. take over. You're certainly more qualified than us.
2013-03-17 05:24:42 PM
1 votes:

smells_like_meat: gambitsgirl: There is no such thing as extra money as long as V_B is on disability and this idea is stellar.

The hospitals and doctors made many serious billing mistakes (mostly in their favor, go figure). They hope that you won't notice and just pay up. When you're dealing with an ill spouse its particularity difficult as I'm sure gambitsgirl remembers.

It would seem the the initial bills for V_B hospitalization are just now showing up and a little bit of freaking out is going on, particularly if you've never dealt with this before. My advice is to take a deep breath, put the bills aside, and focus on getting V_B well. If you ignore them for a while two good things happen: one your health care provider will slap the wrist of anyone who is overcharging, two, you buy time to think and go through the bills at your leisure. Are any out of network charges included in the bills? These are usually outrageous. Inform them that you have no obligation to pay out of net as the hospital was informed of your insurance carrier upon admission. Its the out of nets responsibility to ask. Those bills always get reduced to net levels. Often 90% or more. Are there any charges that you simply don't know what they are talking about? While in the extreme care facility for two months I was charged $200 a day by visits from a Dr. that I had never heard of. I informed my health care provider, they investigated, and it was removed.

For the most part your health care provider is your friend. If approached in a calm, friendly, business like manner most of them are glad to help straighten things out. This would best be done when V_B is well on the road to recovery. Don't be afraid to sit on the bills for a while. Nobody involved is going to threaten you or do bad things while your husbands sick.

Feel free to email me with any specific questions.

Good luck.


For the record, health insurance and billing claims has been my field for a decade. EIP, for you or V_B. I can help sort out bills, ESP if the ins is contracted and it's case rate vs. percentage for the codes used to bill. That's how I can help since I am penniless.

V_B's wife, are you reading this?
2013-03-17 05:24:19 PM
1 votes:
BTW, long term payment plans can be worked out for bills that really are your responsibility. Real long term. Like years. Everyone involved is human and knows how tough it is to come up with $$$. Agree on a schedule and keep it. After surgery in 2007, my wife paid off about $25K in 2010. Everyone was happ and there were no interest charges.

Calm and businesslike is the key.
2013-03-17 05:18:36 PM
1 votes:

gambitsgirl: There is no such thing as extra money as long as V_B is on disability and this idea is stellar.


The hospitals and doctors made many serious billing mistakes (mostly in their favor, go figure). They hope that you won't notice and just pay up. When you're dealing with an ill spouse its particularity difficult as I'm sure gambitsgirl remembers.

It would seem the the initial bills for V_B hospitalization are just now showing up and a little bit of freaking out is going on, particularly if you've never dealt with this before. My advice is to take a deep breath, put the bills aside, and focus on getting V_B well. If you ignore them for a while two good things happen: one your health care provider will slap the wrist of anyone who is overcharging, two, you buy time to think and go through the bills at your leisure. Are any out of network charges included in the bills? These are usually outrageous. Inform them that you have no obligation to pay out of net as the hospital was informed of your insurance carrier upon admission. Its the out of nets responsibility to ask. Those bills always get reduced to net levels. Often 90% or more. Are there any charges that you simply don't know what they are talking about? While in the extreme care facility for two months I was charged $200 a day by visits from a Dr. that I had never heard of. I informed my health care provider, they investigated, and it was removed.

For the most part your health care provider is your friend. If approached in a calm, friendly, business like manner most of them are glad to help straighten things out. This would best be done when V_B is well on the road to recovery. Don't be afraid to sit on the bills for a while. Nobody involved is going to threaten you or do bad things while your husbands sick.

Feel free to email me with any specific questions.

Good luck.
2013-03-17 05:05:16 PM
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gambitsgirl: fat_free: Yo Fundraiser Organizer person, how hard is that $5K for the hospital? For instance, can you go down to the Finance dept at the hospital and negotiate, say you got $3500 in cold hard cash that you can pay RIGHT NOW instead of going onto a payment plan? If that's an option, go for it and you can keep any extraneous cash-ola.

TO THOSE IN CHARGE!!!!! Make sure J_VB sees this!!!!!! Stellar idea.

There is no such thing as extra money as long as V_B is on disability and this idea is stellar.


Yes- and trust me, hospitals are like collection companies. They'd much rather have 60% for sure RIGHT NOW than possibly none if you default.

My trouble is I need ongoing care from a physician, not a hospital, so that won't fly for me. I wish it did.
2013-03-17 04:59:14 PM
1 votes:

fat_free: Yo Fundraiser Organizer person, how hard is that $5K for the hospital? For instance, can you go down to the Finance dept at the hospital and negotiate, say you got $3500 in cold hard cash that you can pay RIGHT NOW instead of going onto a payment plan? If that's an option, go for it and you can keep any extraneous cash-ola.


TO THOSE IN CHARGE!!!!! Make sure J_VB sees this!!!!!! Stellar idea.

There is no such thing as extra money as long as V_B is on disability and this idea is stellar.
2013-03-17 04:37:05 PM
1 votes:

Witchydiva: Below is a message from his wife:

"On Superbowl Sunday, Blackshadow came down with what we assumed was your garden variety flu. By Thursday he was so sick that I had to call the paramedics; he was admitted to the ICU that night; at that time they knew he had pneumonia, but further tests revealed that he had a massive MRSA infection in his bloodstream and lungs. Within 24 hours he was intubated and sedated. He went into septic shock and I almost lost him for than once; it took a week and a half just to get him stabilized. He spent nearly a month in ICU and has been slowly recovering for the past 3 weeks. The infection is gone but the damage it's done is going to take a lot of work to recover from. He IS going to recover, thank God, but we've got a long way to go yet.

At this point I'm guessing that we're going to be facing around $5,000 to cover what the insurance won't - and Blackshadow's only receiving about half what he usually earns while he's on Disability. Any amount that can be gathered through a fundraiser would be a blessing. Thank you so much."


For transparency, while I might be in charge of this fundraiser, Sir Cumference the Flatulent, Roman Fyseek, and Blackshadow's wife have access to the email and the PayPal and email account.

To donate via PayPal, please use v­bl­ack­sh­ado­w*fundrai­ser[nospam-﹫-backwards]li­am­g*com

Please be generous.


I feel for you. I really do. But as someone who pays $700 a month in medical bills and can't even make ends meet... I can't even donate the change in my couch, because I have several late bills of my own.

$5,000 in the grand scheme of things isn't that bad, if you can make payments over a long period of time.

You can even talk them down if you pay in cash- my mother had an uninsured appendectomy and I talked them down from $19,000 to $8,000 if she paid in full that day.

That being said, I wish I could help, and I'm sorry I can't, but I hope recovery is swift and you have everything you need going forward. Best of luck!
2013-03-17 04:51:51 AM
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Kensey: If you want to donate without having to set up a PayPal account, this may work -- copy & paste this URL into your favorite browser:

http://paypal.com/xclick/business=

and add the fundraiser e-mail address to the end before you hit Enter.  You should get a payment form that will allow you to skip the account setup.

If somebody on the receiving end can verify that 1) the $25 I sent this way from my orion-com.com address showed up, and 2) there don't appear to be weird fund holds on it, this may be a workable solution for all the other non-PayPal'ers out there.

(Thanks modmins for nuking the screwed-up link I posted earlier)


Everything about that smells like a scam....
2013-03-17 02:48:32 AM
1 votes:
If you want to donate without having to set up a PayPal account, this may work -- copy & paste this URL into your favorite browser:

http://paypal.com/xclick/business=

and add the fundraiser e-mail address to the end before you hit Enter.  You should get a payment form that will allow you to skip the account setup.

If somebody on the receiving end can verify that 1) the $25 I sent this way from my orion-com.com address showed up, and 2) there don't appear to be weird fund holds on it, this may be a workable solution for all the other non-PayPal'ers out there.

(Thanks modmins for nuking the screwed-up link I posted earlier)
2013-03-16 11:55:44 PM
1 votes:

This Face Left Blank: That's a rough goddamn year-plus right there


Thanks. I'm doing OK. I'm keeping a positive attitude and keeping active physically and mentally. This is very important. Walking a mile today, trivial to the young studs on TFD, was like running a marathon. But I felt so good after, both physically and mentally.

I have a loving wife and good friends  to support me and push me and I know that Vincent has the same. When I was in the critical care hospita,l I witnessed many patients, some much younger than me, who refused to do physical therapy, and wouldn't get out of bed. They had just given up. I wish them well, but fear for the worst. Having met Vincent, I know that he want's to get better with every fiber of his being. You have to want to get better, and have loved ones to support you. I'm so lucky that I did.

vegaswench: Mr. Wench is in some medical straits himself lately


I'm really sorry to hear that. If I can help, let me know. We gotta keep the bookies in business ;-)
2013-03-16 11:10:05 PM
1 votes:
V_B is one of the most generous, loving, and wonderful men I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. There's no way to accurately describe how kind and just amazing he is. If it were one of his fellow Fark friends he would give until it hurt.

V_B, if you read this, I still think about you, J, and Peanut (aww.) You were indescribably important to me when I needed a friend the most, and I hope you have as much love and support around you now as you gave me, because it would be impossible to quantify. Please be well and know me and Snowy are thinking of you and miss you. Get well soon.
2013-03-16 10:38:54 PM
1 votes:
As someone who is currently 2/3 of the way through paying off the Great Uninsured Mono Debacle of 2011, I understand the money crunch.  I've never met VB, being a Lurkey McLurkerson around these parts, but I chipped in regardless.  Hugs all around, and get well soon! :)
2013-03-16 09:28:19 PM
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Witchydiva:

Please email me at address K f 7 y d l (at) a r r l dawt net, no spaces. Or get back to me here if you can't make it work.

I haven't been on TF much lately, but Vincent
is a particularly, good friend of mine. I've met him in person and would like to help.

I had the same infection in January 2012. Never sick a day in my life before.  I was in a coma for 22 days and in the hospital for 2 months. During the first week that I was sick my wife was told one evening to make funeral arrangements for me. My 2 doctors saved my life although they expected to bury me.  I made it. I was home in a hospital bed, on IV  antibiotics for months.  I didn't really start to get better until September. My cognition was screwed up for a long while.

It cost over $500K all but $7,500 covered by insurance.

If Mrs. Blackshadow would care to call me I, and my wife would be available to give insight as to what to expect. My wife also saved my life by being there all the time.It will not be easy, the recovery will be long.

I walked a mile today, with a cane. First time over a mile Last March I couldn't walk 10 feet.

Call us. We can help.
2013-03-16 07:55:52 PM
1 votes:

GBmanNC: Sucks to here. Hope to see him back posting soon.

And any medical experts wanna comment on how you catch something scary like this?


A third of people in the developed world carry Staph (Staphylococcus aureus) in their nose, armpit or groin... methicillin-resistant Staph aureus (MRSA) makes up a good portion of that. We have an ongoing epidemic in this country of a particular clone of MRSA that is rather virulent.

We still don't understand everything about Staph and how it makes people sick. It tends to take advantage of any break down in host immune defense, or breakdown in the skin barrier, to cause disease. The current epidemic clone is very good at making healthy people very sick when it becomes invasive.

Best thing to do for yourself is practice good hand hygiene and wash any cuts or scrapes that you have and keep them covered when you're out and about. CDC has some info here:  http://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/prevent/personal.html

/full disclosure: Staph/MRSA is my life
//pray I get my grant funding...
///hope Mr.VB makes a full recovery...
2013-03-16 07:20:59 PM
1 votes:
I'll give what i can. After dealing with providing hospice care for a friend last year to save costs I've seen too many close friends get wiped out financially due to illness and accident. Cancer is an unkind mistress.

Why do the people of "the greatest country on earth" have to resort to charity when they get sick? Other developed countries have figured out how to get people the care the need without having to go bankrupt or plead help to survive.

If you've opposed single payer healthcare not only are you incapable of doing the math vs our current costly system but you're an asshole for causing unnecessary suffering and destruction of families through crushing healthcare debt.
2013-03-16 07:03:53 PM
1 votes:
Hoping for a full and speedy recovery for V.B. and all my fellow Farkers/Farkettes who are facing adversity.  MRSA is a biatch, though my mother was fighting lung cancer, it was MRSA pneumonia that took her.  Through lay-off and furlough I will find a way to donate.  Get well my friend.
2013-03-16 06:57:09 PM
1 votes:
He is a total class act and I'm glad to hear he is on the mend.

If you read this at some point Mike you still owe me a surfing lesson if I make my way out to Cali!
2013-03-16 06:55:11 PM
1 votes:
Hoping for the best VB
2013-03-16 06:34:05 PM
1 votes:

Witchydiva: GREEN!!!!!

Alright - for folks new to the thread - Blackshadow is on the road to recovery, and able to speak for the first time in over a month (as of a couple days ago). If you can make a donation (small, large - whatever you might be able to afford), please mark it "gift" or "personal" to avoid PayPal's most painful fees.

Also, I just gave Blackshadow's wife an update on the total so far (was $750 at the time), and this is her response:

"I just told Blackshadow; he said, and I quote, 'Holy shiat! I love those guys.' Thank you so much! "


Favorite comment on the thread.
2013-03-16 06:30:27 PM
1 votes:
Can't do a damn thing right now, can barely manage my own family through the next week or so.

But as you mentioned, bills don't evaporate. And I have MRSA colonized on me, I just got over my 5th abscess in the last 12 months, so I have some idea of how awful it can get. It was on my gums, which made me terrified of it getting into my bloodstream if it ruptured inside my mouth. I see from this story that I was right to worry.

I'll kick something his way at the end of the month, when I can. Because MRSA sucks.

/f'n MRSA
2013-03-16 06:19:57 PM
1 votes:

sevente: not trying to be a dick but who? I don' t know the name and the Google's only seem to turn up stuff about motorbikes. Is he a farker? If so then the headline should probably say that rather than fark favourite (whatever that means). Speaking of which, without knowing who this person is the headline doesn't really elicit much sympathy to donate.

With that being said I hope that Mr Blackshadow makes a full recovery and wish he and his family all the best.


vincent_blackshadow is a TotalFarker and is very popular with many of us in the fark community.
2013-03-16 05:57:11 PM
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tudorgurl: I wish I could. Right now, every spare penny is going to help my dad while my mom is in hospice. But I will light a candle for him and hope for the best. I'm sorry that that's the best I can do.


Thank you sweetie, that's plenty. Everything helps whether it be money, prayers, candles, hoodoo or voodoo. I'm sorry to hear about your Mom, best wishes to you all.

Mike's a good friend of mine who's been really helpful when needed, and now he and his family need a little help from us. Thanks to all for pitching in any way they can and thanks to the folks organizing this. You all rock.
2013-03-16 05:46:56 PM
1 votes:
Happy to donate to vincent_blackshadow - a TFarker who came too close to moving Beyond Fark.
2013-03-16 05:34:04 PM
1 votes:
A free month of TF for the first 3 liters who post in this thread.
2013-03-16 05:22:58 PM
1 votes:
you farkers make me feel so proud to be among you.
2013-03-16 04:55:27 PM
1 votes:
I'm sorry, who is this person?
2013-03-16 04:09:04 PM
1 votes:
A favorite. I believe Nasser still stands as THE favorite.

Girls, girls, you're all pretty.
2013-03-16 04:02:03 PM
1 votes:
At the moment, yes, PayPal is the only way. I figured that since everyone on this site has PayPal, it'd be the easiest way to go. I know...

The PayPal account will be linked directly to Blackshadow's bank account, to keep things easy.
2013-03-16 03:59:40 PM
1 votes:
I may have jumped the gun by posting this midday on a Saturday, rather than 8am Monday morning. :/
2013-03-16 03:57:15 PM
1 votes:
I wondered where he was. That shiat is scary. Green this modmins!
2013-03-16 03:55:34 PM
1 votes:
Met him in Vegas a couple years back, he really is nine kinds of awesome. I'm off to PayPal.
2013-03-16 03:55:06 PM
1 votes:

Witchydiva: He IS on the road to recovery at this point. He spoke for the first time in a month just a couple days ago, and things are looking up.


I just read the first thing you posted in this thread.  *whew*  I'm relieved that he's making progress, anyways.
2013-03-16 03:53:52 PM
1 votes:
This guy was super-helpful to me when I first came to LA to build my hearse. I really hope he comes out of this okay.
2013-03-16 03:53:37 PM
1 votes:
He IS on the road to recovery at this point. He spoke for the first time in a month just a couple days ago, and things are looking up.
2013-03-16 03:52:25 PM
1 votes:
Oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no... damn and a half.  He's a great guy, and I just got an icy cold pit in my stomach reading that headline.

Get well soon, v_b, and best wishes to all-a-y'all out there.
2013-03-16 08:26:08 AM
1 votes:
Boobies!

There. That ought to pin this the top of the thread, right? 

For those of you who don't know, here is Vincent Blackshadow's Fark user profile.
 
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