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(CBS Detroit)   Student suspended over 'Hot For Teacher' essay sues Oakland University. "She was blonde and attractive in the Meg Ryan kind of way which I usually don't go for"   (detroit.cbslocal.com) divider line 143
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2013-03-16 11:03:16 PM

Madbassist1: Canton: This. One can go balls out with writing and use some common sense at the same time. This guy focused far too much on his balls, and far too little on considering his audience. That's why it's an issue.

Um...its an issue because his professor...the professional in the relationship, made it an issue.


...and I think we now know this creepy guy's fark handle. Hi Joe Corlett!!!
 
2013-03-16 11:03:27 PM
Link to USAtoday version:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2012-02-15/hot-f or -teacher-essay-michigan-oakland/53106370/1

Doesn't really add much more except his lawyer says: ""Obviously he's got a wild sexual imagination in some instances, but it's not harmful,"

What's been quoted so far doesn't really come under my definition of wild sexual imagination, so either the lawyer's led a rather sheltered life, or the chaps writings contained more in-depth creepiness.
 
2013-03-16 11:33:27 PM

ACunningPlan: Link to USAtoday version:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2012-02-15/hot-f or -teacher-essay-michigan-oakland/53106370/1

Doesn't really add much more except his lawyer says: ""Obviously he's got a wild sexual imagination in some instances, but it's not harmful,"

What's been quoted so far doesn't really come under my definition of wild sexual imagination, so either the lawyer's led a rather sheltered life, or the chaps writings contained more in-depth creepiness.


I am guessing that he's got deep down creepiness.

I seriously doubt that a professor wants to know about the fantasies of their students when they're the object of desire. The willingness to commit to writing the fantasies you have about someone who has never even displayed the slightest interest is creepy. Not his age, not his appearance. If Brad Pitt walked up to a stranger and described the fantasies he has been having about them, over several weeks of observing them, it would throw you off. Not many women are like, "cool, lets get it on!" no matter how hot someone is.
 
2013-03-16 11:34:40 PM

Next week's Tom Sawyer: The lesson here is that when teachers insist students keep a journal of thoughts that might otherwise be self-censored, and when requested clarification upon requested clarification results in a repeat of the ambiguous requirements if the assignment, they should not be surprised when the entries contain things one might consider offensive.

This teacher should either lighten up, or stop teaching (in the manner she is teaching). Either way, I could give a fark less about some middle aged woman feigning outrage when she was the one pushing the limits.


This.

Back in my art school days, I was in a class where the professor asked us all to write journals during the semester.  These were to be free form diaries in which we were to write down whatever inspirations or ideas came to us, or even just treat it as creative writing or whatever.  Sort of a literary sketchbook.  Well and good.  The T.A. insisted that we bring them in so she could verify that we were complying with the instruction.  She could have given them a cursory glance, but instead she insisted that we turn them in to her so she could read them.  Most of us weren't super-comfortable with it, but I did as we were told.  About four hours later (this was a six hour studio class) she gave them all back to us with a heartfelt apology about violating our privacy....

I'm sorry.  Any teacher who assigns college students to keep a creative writing journal and then decides to read those students' journals has no grounds to complain about any of the content he or she encounters there.
 
2013-03-17 12:13:00 AM

Madbassist1: This story and people who think this guy is commiting some sort of wrongdoing give Chuck Palahniuk, and other modern, A-List writers a sad. If shiat like this, which is an honest look inside this guys thought processes makes you uncomfortable, go back to reading Stephanie Meyer, FFS.


Oh, sure, encourage more of this:
media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com

65 million copies of creepy, right there. Want to bet teacher has no problem with it?
 
2013-03-17 01:32:54 AM
'After encouraging free-thinking and honesty on campus, we found that some guy was being honest and free-thinking in a way that was intimidating and expressed stuff we didn't want to hear, so we suspended him.'

Nothing changes. I got the same thing in my art and music classes. I was really interested in exploring hate and racism in my work, because (gasp) those are emotions people have sometimes, and IMO expressing them through art is just about the best and healthiest thing you can do with them. It also could lead to greater understanding that could help us to make world a better place...naive me actually thought universities were interested in doing stuff like that.
 
2013-03-17 01:34:15 AM
*shudder* This guy writes like Piers Anthony.
 
2013-03-17 01:52:25 AM

Virtuoso80: naive me actually thought universities were interested in doing stuff like that.


If you offend just two other students enough that they want to leave, you're losing the school money.

Not even counting potential lawsuits or teacher union troubles.

Since a Universtiy exists to make money, why would they go along with anything too "edgy?"  Or "creepy?"

Anything offending to anybody at all, really?
 
2013-03-17 02:47:16 AM

Virtuoso80: 'After encouraging free-thinking and honesty on campus, we found that some guy was being honest and free-thinking in a way that was intimidating and expressed stuff we didn't want to hear, so we suspended him.'


WHAT? Where did you get that? Honesty and free thinking are fine but nobody ever encourages unfiltered honesty or free thinking without conscience.

It was a journal. He could have written anything. He could have put blatant lies about his day -- that he went to france and ate cheese with the president. That he went into space. He could have written a straight out log of what he did at what time in bullet notes. He didn't. Its not a personal journal. He wrote the journal as an assignment knowing full well it would be read and graded. The journal aspect just means they want you to write something every day. Something. The prof is there to teach, not put up with your passive aggressive creep factor. They teach university not junior high. If you want to act like a mouth breather to people who are trying to help you learn then gtfo.

Why choose anything remotely personal? Its creepy and if the prof told him to knock it off even once then they are full justified in kicking his creepy ass out of college.
 
2013-03-17 03:59:05 AM

mikefinch: Virtuoso80: 'After encouraging free-thinking and honesty on campus, we found that some guy was being honest and free-thinking in a way that was intimidating and expressed stuff we didn't want to hear, so we suspended him.'

WHAT? Where did you get that? Honesty and free thinking are fine but nobody ever encourages unfiltered honesty or free thinking without conscience.

It was a journal. He could have written anything. He could have put blatant lies about his day -- that he went to france and ate cheese with the president. That he went into space. He could have written a straight out log of what he did at what time in bullet notes. He didn't. Its not a personal journal. He wrote the journal as an assignment knowing full well it would be read and graded. The journal aspect just means they want you to write something every day. Something. The prof is there to teach, not put up with your passive aggressive creep factor. They teach university not junior high. If you want to act like a mouth breather to people who are trying to help you learn then gtfo.

Why choose anything remotely personal? Its creepy and if the prof told him to knock it off even once then they are full justified in kicking his creepy ass out of college.


You're absolutely right that he could have completed the assignment with total BS, which of course would have negated the point of doing it at all. To be honest about it is to care about the idea of the assignment in the first place. Creative writing is, to some extent, about having the courage to bear your soul. The article makes it clear to me that the guy clearly took that part seriously. I call that being a good student, not a bad one.

If I were going to ask for this kind of thing in a creative writing class, I would realize I was asking the students for a massive amount of trust. You know that you're asking them to possibly say things they don't admit to the rest of the world, and that might be taken badly in another context. If they did have the courage and faith to put that trust into me, I wouldn't betray that lightly. If they said they were going to come in the next class and shoot everyone, I might feel an need to break confidentiality, but something so basic as admitting physical attraction, or even repulsion to me as a teacher? I can handle that, and I'd be irresponsible as a teacher if I asked for this type of assignment and weren't ready to handle that.
 
2013-03-17 04:06:43 AM

sendtodave: Virtuoso80: naive me actually thought universities were interested in doing stuff like that.

If you offend just two other students enough that they want to leave, you're losing the school money.

Not even counting potential lawsuits or teacher union troubles.

Since a Universtiy exists to make money, why would they go along with anything too "edgy?"  Or "creepy?"

Anything offending to anybody at all, really?


Because there's also a cost of integrity, and being taken seriously as an institution of serious learning and education. If a University tossed out every professor who said something the dean personally disagreed with, they would lose any reputation they had pretty quickly.

There also the fact that many people go into academia because they feel there's a 'higher' purpose to what they do than money. This is a tug-of-war seen at play in universities everyone, between the lofty notions of academia, and the practical need to be a profitable business. I don't think either part of that is necessarily wrong - both have their value to humanity.
 
2013-03-17 04:23:53 AM

Virtuoso80: Because there's also a cost of integrity, and being taken seriously as an institution of serious learning and education.


The more "serious" they are, the less they'd be willing to risk their reputation teaching business and sciences with some liberal arts major "making a statement."
 
2013-03-17 04:26:56 AM
The dude is a full-on creep. If you take a class so you can go home and write some masturbatory fantasies about the very teacher you're taking the class from, you're a creep. This guy had to know he was making his teacher uncomfortable with this, and I'm not buying his "Whaaaa? Lil ole meee?" defense. Now he's trolling the Uni with a Westboro-type 1st amendment defense.

He's the full package.


/You're a creep if you do this at any age. That goes for the girls, too.
 
2013-03-17 04:32:14 AM

steveGswine: So, he wrote the essays, and...  put them under his bed?  Published them on the web?  Stapled them to women's foreheads?

I'm not sure, from the article, precisely where he dangled his preposition.


It was a writing class.  His writings would be shared with the teacher, if not the entire class.
 
2013-03-17 04:34:36 AM

Happy Hours: thisispete: Sounds pretty creepy, actually.

It does, but so what?

As long as he's not harassing them or worse the teachers should STFU and honestly grade his essays on the merits.


This.  There's nothing threatening about the portions of his writing in TFA.
 
2013-03-17 04:35:16 AM
It's OK for a woman to write mommy porn, but it's not OK for a man.

We wouldn't want to be sexist now.
 
2013-03-17 04:38:28 AM

Theaetetus: A fellow student said Corlett was known around campus for strong opinions on open carry laws: He argued voraciously that students should be allowed to carry guns to class.


He should have argued vociferously.

/dumbfark reporter
 
2013-03-17 04:39:35 AM

RedVentrue: Snort: RedVentrue: FTA "
"I've had a few worries lately, the first that Lynn Anne, my wife, would read this. But now I don't care. I suppose my fear is a good sign that I'm writing honestly," Corlett wrote."

No. You are violating the personal space of everyone around you.

You know how I know you don't know what personal space is, you know?

You can violate someones personal space with words.


And you just did.  I need to go wash the bullshiat out of my eyes now.
 
2013-03-17 05:16:46 AM

sendtodave: Virtuoso80: Because there's also a cost of integrity, and being taken seriously as an institution of serious learning and education.

The more "serious" they are, the less they'd be willing to risk their reputation teaching business and sciences with some liberal arts major "making a statement."


Ahh, now it becomes clear. I'll stop talking to you now.
 
2013-03-17 06:02:44 AM

Virtuoso80: The article makes it clear to me that the guy clearly took that part seriously. I call that being a good student, not a bad one.


He did not take it seriously. His 'bearing of soul' amounted to either a passive aggressive weird act of sexual exhibition and its wildly inappropriate or hes being facetious in the worst way and its wildly inappropriate.

It was a writing assignment, not therapy. Its pretty clear he got the jollies from offending people. Trolling is fun to do once in awhile online but when you act obtuse for the sake of acting obtuse IRL people get f'ing pissed off.

\Not a troll really -- its just fun to pretend to have terrible morals once in awhile
\\Who's gonna cast the first stone? Who?
 
2013-03-17 06:42:41 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
Pic of prof.
Her page in Oakland University
http://www.oakland.edu/?id=12061&sid=322

Rate my professor
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=50592

Funny. They added a "Hotness" meter to their professor ratings!
and the comments are
.. "She is also very nice on the eye ",
.. "Hot, funny, nice, ..."
.. "SHES HOTTTTT " ...
.. "uber-hott!!!!!" ...
.. "She's really attractive " ..
.. "she is hot " ...
.. "but she's real real sweet. " ...
... "What a nice lady and hot too." ...
.. "plus she is hot which makes you wanna be there every day" ...
you get the idea.

Seems like the dude articulated what every other (male) student is thinking in her class.

The daily mail has a video of the guy talking. He just has the typical old man on campus vibe but the rage meter boiling off the charts. Then, he reads his essay and then it gets super creepy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102084/Joseph-Corlett-kicke d- university-writing-sexually-suggestive-essay-female-professor.html
 
2013-03-17 08:17:15 AM

gerbilpox: Corlett described sleeping in the nude with his gun and making a fellow female student uncomfortable when he looked up her number and called her home.

That's the intimidating part. "Gosh, I love your relentless teaching style, and the fact that you're stacked. I once tracked down a woman's home address. By the way, did I mention my gun?"


I didn't realize being 27 made me old and crusty, but back in the day there was something called a phone book where you could look up the phone numbers of listed people and businesses.

/offer not valid if student had her number made private which isn't indicated in the article
 
2013-03-17 08:54:38 AM

occamswrist: Madbassist1: Canton: This. One can go balls out with writing and use some common sense at the same time. This guy focused far too much on his balls, and far too little on considering his audience. That's why it's an issue.

Um...its an issue because his professor...the professional in the relationship, made it an issue.

...and I think we now know this creepy guy's fark handle. Hi Joe Corlett!!!


Stay classy. I fervently disagree with most of the conservative trolls on this board, but one thing they are right about...FARK doesn't tolerate much dissent from the hive-mind, and they are very classy about how they state it.
 
2013-03-17 09:03:19 AM

mikefinch: He did not take it seriously. His 'bearing of soul' amounted to either a passive aggressive weird act of sexual exhibition and its wildly inappropriate or hes being facetious in the worst way and its wildly inappropriate.

It was a writing assignment, not therapy. Its pretty clear he got the jollies from offending people. Trolling is fun to do once in awhile online but when you act obtuse for the sake of acting obtuse IRL people get f'ing pissed off.


LOL. You're the one being obtuse. You might want to look it up. Why is the assignment inappropriate? If he gets his jollies offending people...and he's good at it, farking great! not many can do that. Ellis, Pahni...pah...uh...the 'Fight Club' guy, as well as,  in their time, Lovecraft and Poe, all offended people. What a bunch of inappropriate hacks, amiright?

/Not a B.E.E fan.
//American Psycho was unreadable for me.
 
2013-03-17 09:22:32 AM
That bastage did that sort of creepy thing to the poor victim, a female teacher.

Oh, wait - was it the female teacher simply looking for the love/passion/longing she so sorely deserved - emotionally abandoned in a male dominated society, finding it in the youthful male presence?

... gawdamn it's hard to decide right from wrong....
 
2013-03-17 12:21:27 PM
Dear Journal:

That Veronica Vaughn is one hot piece of ass. So hot, want to touch the heinie.
 
2013-03-17 12:24:03 PM
CSS Time!:

When I first went to grad school, we could sign up to be Teaching Assistants, which was a decent gig, as we got paid a monthly stipend, had part of our education paid for by the university, and a few other perks. So a bunch of us signed up, and we had to take a class about how to do everything.

One of the sections covered at the end of the training was about how students can undermine the authority of instructors to the point of harassment and beyond, in either written or verbal form. This section was accompanied by a story of a Teaching Assistant that worked in the Public Speaking classes, who thought everything was going great until the day that the "freestyle" speeches were to be given (each student was allowed to write on whatever topic they wanted, and the speech had to be 3-4 minutes long).

A male student decided to wax poetic on "the perfect woman", describing her hair, her eyes, her body, and how he hoped to learn more about what was under her clothes himself, and at the end of the speech named the Teaching Assistant as whom he was writing about. That is, of course, super-inappropriate, and as the "hot for teacher" student in TFA was also inappropriate in the same vein, I can see why he was given the punishment he was from the college.

/Never been so happy to be a Plain Jane in all my life as when I was teaching
//Some of my friends got hit on by students after the students were done taking their class
///My friends were creeped out by it and always turned them down
 
2013-03-17 12:35:17 PM

RadicalArcher: CSS Time!:

When I first went to grad school, we could sign up to be Teaching Assistants, which was a decent gig, as we got paid a monthly stipend, had part of our education paid for by the university, and a few other perks. So a bunch of us signed up, and we had to take a class about how to do everything.

One of the sections covered at the end of the training was about how students can undermine the authority of instructors to the point of harassment and beyond, in either written or verbal form. This section was accompanied by a story of a Teaching Assistant that worked in the Public Speaking classes, who thought everything was going great until the day that the "freestyle" speeches were to be given (each student was allowed to write on whatever topic they wanted, and the speech had to be 3-4 minutes long).

A male student decided to wax poetic on "the perfect woman", describing her hair, her eyes, her body, and how he hoped to learn more about what was under her clothes himself, and at the end of the speech named the Teaching Assistant as whom he was writing about. That is, of course, super-inappropriate, and as the "hot for teacher" student in TFA was also inappropriate in the same vein, I can see why he was given the punishment he was from the college.

/Never been so happy to be a Plain Jane in all my life as when I was teaching
//Some of my friends got hit on by students after the students were done taking their class
///My friends were creeped out by it and always turned them down


You sound jealous.
/and fat
 
2013-03-17 01:09:10 PM
"It's Creative Writing class!  Let a Thousand Flowers bloom, comrades!"

Srsly, if it was an aging female divorcee getting moist over a younger male teacher, would he get all Ox-Bow Incident on her?
 
2013-03-17 02:21:19 PM

RadicalArcher: /Never been so happy to be a Plain Jane in all my life as when I was teaching


You have beautiful eyes and a nice smile.
 
2013-03-17 02:55:54 PM

Fano: Dear Journal:

That Veronica Vaughn is one hot piece of ass. So hot, want to touch the heinie.


I read that in Doug Funnie's voice.
 
2013-03-17 03:21:52 PM

Madbassist1: RedVentrue: You can violate someones personal space with words.


That's the dumbest farking thing I have ever read. As someone who reads FARK daily, that's saying something.


BarkingUnicorn: RedVentrue: Snort: RedVentrue: FTA "
"I've had a few worries lately, the first that Lynn Anne, my wife, would read this. But now I don't care. I suppose my fear is a good sign that I'm writing honestly," Corlett wrote."

No. You are violating the personal space of everyone around you.

You know how I know you don't know what personal space is, you know?

You can violate someones personal space with words.

And you just did.  I need to go wash the bullshiat out of my eyes now.


See? There's the proof.
 
2013-03-17 04:29:59 PM

RedVentrue: Madbassist1: RedVentrue: You can violate someones personal space with words.


That's the dumbest farking thing I have ever read. As someone who reads FARK daily, that's saying something.

BarkingUnicorn: RedVentrue: Snort: RedVentrue: FTA "
"I've had a few worries lately, the first that Lynn Anne, my wife, would read this. But now I don't care. I suppose my fear is a good sign that I'm writing honestly," Corlett wrote."

No. You are violating the personal space of everyone around you.

You know how I know you don't know what personal space is, you know?

You can violate someones personal space with words.

And you just did.  I need to go wash the bullshiat out of my eyes now.

See? There's the proof.


*snerk*

Grow a thicker skin.
 
2013-03-17 05:53:32 PM

Madbassist1: LOL. You're the one being obtuse. You might want to look it up. Why is the assignment inappropriate? If he gets his jollies offending people...and he's good at it, farking great! not many can do that. Ellis, Pahni...pah...uh...the 'Fight Club' guy, as well as, in their time, Lovecraft and Poe, all offended people. What a bunch of inappropriate hacks, amiright?

/Not a B.E.E fan.
//American Psycho was unreadable for me


Those weren't university students.

There is a difference between creative writing as a hobby or profession and creative writing as a task assigned by your prof.

Push boundaries on your own time. The point of the assignment was hardly to show off how edgy you could be... She's trying to teach a class -- she's not getting payed to act as an audience for attention seekers and trolls.

Save the erotica for your own time. His paper amounts to him yelling HEY IMA GREASE BALL WHATR YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? and of course in real life people will and can do something about it.

He reminds me of that guy who got tazed because he wouldnt turn off his caera in the courthouse and kept arguing with the baliff. in that case you know your being an ass and your trying to hide behind rules that really werent made for someone in your position. Sounds obtuse to me. Being a farkwad because you can is being obtuse.
 
2013-03-17 06:30:29 PM

Happy Hours: RadicalArcher: /Never been so happy to be a Plain Jane in all my life as when I was teaching

You have beautiful eyes and a nice smile.


That's really sweet. Now tell her about how you sleep naked with a gun, and call her at home!
 
2013-03-17 11:06:38 PM

mr0x: Seems like the dude articulated what every other (male) student is thinking in her class.


Yeah they added the hotness thing to RateMyProfessor a long time ago.
Anyway, every other male student isn't turning in papers to her describing what they're thinking.
Of course she knows what they think, teachers look at RMP.  But there's a huge difference between noticing a hot girl with a nice rack and giving her a polite smile and "hi", and giving her the up and down look and saying "hey, nice t*ts!".  Whether she knows what you're thinking or not is irrelevant; actually saying it makes the situation 10x more uncomfortable for her and you should know that.  If you don't you're socially retarded and if you do and do it anyway then you're an a**hole.


Summoner101: gerbilpox: Corlett described sleeping in the nude with his gun and making a fellow female student uncomfortable when he looked up her number and called her home.

That's the intimidating part. "Gosh, I love your relentless teaching style, and the fact that you're stacked. I once tracked down a woman's home address. By the way, did I mention my gun?"

I didn't realize being 27 made me old and crusty, but back in the day there was something called a phone book where you could look up the phone numbers of listed people and businesses.

/offer not valid if student had her number made private which isn't indicated in the article


Yes I've used one of those books, and even in that day and age it was considered creepy to look up the number of a girl and call her if she would not normally be expecting or welcoming a call from you.  Just because someone's information is a matter of public record does not make it socially acceptable to go digging that information up or to make use of it.
 
2013-03-17 11:11:52 PM

Virtuoso80: Creative writing is, to some extent, about having the courage to bear your soul. The article makes it clear to me that the guy clearly took that part seriously.


Your response makes it clear to me that you don't understand the difference between creative writing and inappropriate passive-aggressive sexual advances.
What he was doing was blatantly transparent, and it wasn't an honest attempt at completing the assignment in a creative way.
 
2013-03-17 11:12:13 PM

Dragonflew: Happy Hours: RadicalArcher: /Never been so happy to be a Plain Jane in all my life as when I was teaching

You have beautiful eyes and a nice smile.

That's really sweet. Now tell her about how you sleep naked with a gun, and call her at home!


And then tell her about your philosophy of treating others as you'd like to be treated, which means that you would greatly appreciate if anyone sexually attracted to you made that known immediately. So you're really just extending that courtesy to her as part of your personal code of ethics.
 
2013-03-18 04:11:08 AM

Gawdzila: Virtuoso80: Creative writing is, to some extent, about having the courage to bear your soul. The article makes it clear to me that the guy clearly took that part seriously.

Your response makes it clear to me that you don't understand the difference between creative writing and inappropriate passive-aggressive sexual advances.
What he was doing was blatantly transparent, and it wasn't an honest attempt at completing the assignment in a creative way.


I would suggest that many a famous writer has used writing to vent, and to express things passive-aggressively they couldn't express elsewhere.
 
2013-03-18 07:47:27 PM

Virtuoso80: Gawdzila: Virtuoso80: Crea

I would suggest that many a famous writer has used writing to vent, and to express things passive-aggressively they couldn't express elsewhere.


Find examples they made while taking a university course.

Venting is fine -- do it on your own time.
 
2013-03-18 08:36:25 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Fano: Dear Journal:

That Veronica Vaughn is one hot piece of ass. So hot, want to touch the heinie.

I read that in Doug Funnie's voice.


25.media.tumblr.com
Could be
 
2013-03-18 11:33:18 PM

Theaetetus: ArcadianRefugee: So long as none of the teachers are, say, the one he is submitting the essay(s) to, I don't see the problem.

Another essay described a teacher who is "tall, blonde and stacked" in a "skirt, heels, fingernails, smile," and described her as "smart and articulate." He basically said, in the essay he turned in to her, that her looks were distracting.

So, you do see the problem?


Assuming those two her's are the same her, yes. If not, no.
 
2013-03-19 12:34:18 AM
Also, I'd need to see photos.
 
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