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(CBS Detroit)   Student suspended over 'Hot For Teacher' essay sues Oakland University. "She was blonde and attractive in the Meg Ryan kind of way which I usually don't go for"   (detroit.cbslocal.com) divider line 143
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2013-03-16 07:20:14 PM

megarian: I work for this college...so I'm getting a very creepy kick...


That's my signal!
 
2013-03-16 07:23:56 PM

Madbassist1: This story and people who think this guy is commiting some sort of wrongdoing give Chuck Palahniuk, and other modern, A-List writers a sad. If shiat like this, which is an honest look inside this guys thought processes makes you uncomfortable, go back to reading Stephanie Meyer, FFS.


Did Palahniuk write candid, sexually-charged essays about the professors he was studying under, with the understanding that those professors would be reading and grading them? No, seriously, did he? Because, if not, that's apples and oranges.

/Ew, Meyer? Now there's a creepy writer...
 
2013-03-16 07:24:27 PM
57 years old?

Siddown, WALDO.
 
2013-03-16 07:26:21 PM
Just so that all the white knights in here are clear who they're defending...
In other journal entries, Corlett described sleeping in the nude with his gun and making a fellow female student uncomfortable when he looked up her number and called her home.
 
2013-03-16 07:27:26 PM

ArcadianRefugee: So long as none of the teachers are, say, the one he is submitting the essay(s) to, I don't see the problem.


Another essay described a teacher who is "tall, blonde and stacked" in a "skirt, heels, fingernails, smile," and described her as "smart and articulate." He basically said, in the essay he turned in to her, that her looks were distracting.

So, you do see the problem?
 
2013-03-16 07:30:57 PM
A fellow student said Corlett was known around campus for strong opinions on open carry laws: He argued voraciously that students should be allowed to carry guns to class.
 
2013-03-16 07:31:11 PM
Was his name Dimitri?
 
2013-03-16 07:32:39 PM
From one of the comment threads on the article:

I have to agree with Mr. Wallace on this issue. I too have had experiences with Mr. Corlett on campus, and on repeated occasions have bore witness to his intimidation of fellow students. Mr. Corlett has repeatedly used classroom discussion times in my class with him to make other students uncomfortable with sexist and borderline racist comments. I am, frankly, not surprised this hasn't happened sooner.

www.neontommy.com
 
2013-03-16 07:38:09 PM

Theaetetus: ArcadianRefugee: So long as none of the teachers are, say, the one he is submitting the essay(s) to, I don't see the problem.

Another essay described a teacher who is "tall, blonde and stacked" in a "skirt, heels, fingernails, smile," and described her as "smart and articulate." He basically said, in the essay he turned in to her, that her looks were distracting.

So, you do see the problem?


Id bet $100 he doesnt.
 
2013-03-16 07:39:29 PM
I worked at a small for-profit school as a comp teacher.  This school catered to military vets, the recently laid off, and the folks just out of prison.  I started to notice that, even though there were many who were fine, many others were mentally ill.  One guy wrote about keeping cutouts of Playboy centerfolds on his bedroom wall.  At night, they would speak to him.  Another guy (recently out on pedophilia charges) kept writing about how much he loved his wife--who he met when she was 14.  He was 40.  One woman with schizophrenia wrote about the voices in her head struggling against the medication.  A woman kept writing about when she was raped.

Of course, this was a for-profit school, so there were no counselors available.  I would give the essays to the "CEO," who looked them over, told me to give them As, so they could "graduate and get the hell out of here."

\seriously folks, it's a journal, but you don't need to confess anything to me
\\have learned many, many things about people
 
2013-03-16 07:40:06 PM

buzzcut73: ACunningPlan: This is the pic which accompanies the Yahoo version of the story.
[l1.yimg.com image 630x354]

Wow, reminds me of a guy I used to work with....we called him Creepy D. Looked pretty much like that, and would probably write similar essays if he was back in school.

There was a huge party the night that guy got canned.


Yep, we've all worked with that guy:)

I know one shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, and quite likely people think I'm peculiar looking, but I saw the picture & thought "creepy."

Plus if it's a creative writing class, couldn't he "create" a teacher for his journal and express those inner thoughts w/o referencing his actual teacher?
 
2013-03-16 07:42:56 PM
"Her boobs hung in the air in exactly the way that bricks don't."

/with apologies to Douglas Adams
//no kidding, first thing I thought of when I read the quote in the headline
 
2013-03-16 07:57:13 PM

Canton: Madbassist1: This story and people who think this guy is commiting some sort of wrongdoing give Chuck Palahniuk, and other modern, A-List writers a sad. If shiat like this, which is an honest look inside this guys thought processes makes you uncomfortable, go back to reading Stephanie Meyer, FFS.

Did Palahniuk write candid, sexually-charged essays about the professors he was studying under, with the understanding that those professors would be reading and grading them? No, seriously, did he? Because, if not, that's apples and oranges.

/Ew, Meyer? Now there's a creepy writer...


Did these professors realize that an advanced college level writing may be intended to make the reader uncomfortable? No, seriously, did they not realize that? Because if they didn't, those professors aren't fit to teach farking preschool, and you, well you just sound like a sanctimonious prick.

Seriously, I'm not calling you a prick, but lets act like farking adults here. Its an advanced college level course to be taught and participated in by adults.
 
2013-03-16 07:57:43 PM
He writes like a certain cadre of Farkers, to my mind. However he does exhibit creepiness so... yeah.
 
2013-03-16 07:59:16 PM

Theaetetus: A fellow student said Corlett was known around campus for strong opinions on open carry laws: He argued voraciously that students should be allowed to carry guns to class.


I heard from someone he picks his nose hairs and leaves them on other student's papers.
 
2013-03-16 08:05:08 PM
I remember my critical writing class in high school, fondly. In particular, one hot early summer day.

The rest of the class had already left for the next period and Ms. Saulice, our young and eager 23y/o teacher, was cleaning the chalk board while I fumbled with my backpack.

"MurphyMurphy," she said "could you come over hear and help me reach the projector screen?"

Standing up I was immediately embarrassed when I noticed the time I had spent watching her clean the chalkboard had left me standing at attention. She may have been our teacher, but sometimes she just seemed like one of us students. She'd had fit right in if there was a 13th grade and that body would be a welcome addition to the cheer-leading squad.

If she noticed my adolescent reaction to her presence, she didn't let on. "Just reach up there and pull that screen down if you could. I told Mrs. Halls I'd put it down for her class in the morning."

Usually the last person to use the screen doesn't put it up all the way, it was odd to be fully retracted like that, I had to stand on my tiptoes just to reach it. "Got it!" I said, grabbing the screen with just the top bit of my middle finger. No sooner had I gained a hold on the screen handle I felt a hand grip me where none but my own had gripped before.

"Me too" Ms. Saulice said with a sly toothless smile and an intimidating look of mischief in her eyes.

I froze. I did not know how to react. This did not phase Ms. Saulice however, as the only part of me she was paying attention to was reacting on it's own. I can tell you now that what was about to happen, I truly thought would never happen to me.....
 
2013-03-16 08:06:11 PM
I have sympathy for the poor bloke and I don't think he stepped out of line here. I'm sure it was an entertaining, engrossing read and isn't that kind of the point?

/This is why I avoid writing nonfiction entirely.
 
2013-03-16 08:08:41 PM
So how many people thought, "big deal", then read the article, saw it was a middle aged guy and changed their reaction to "ewwww!"

If you fall into that category, fark you.
 
2013-03-16 08:12:55 PM

OgreMagi: So how many people thought, "big deal", then read the article, saw it was a middle aged guy and changed their reaction to "ewwww!"

If you fall into that category, fark you.


ewwwww
 
2013-03-16 08:15:47 PM

OgreMagi: So how many people thought, "big deal", then read the article, saw it was a middle aged guy and changed their reaction to "ewwww!"

If you fall into that category, fark you.




It would also be creepy from an 18 year old kid.
 
2013-03-16 08:16:48 PM

thisispete: OgreMagi: So how many people thought, "big deal", then read the article, saw it was a middle aged guy and changed their reaction to "ewwww!"

If you fall into that category, fark you.

It would also be creepy from an 18 year old kid.


Its creepy no matter what or who.
 
2013-03-16 08:21:03 PM

Madbassist1: Canton: Madbassist1: This story and people who think this guy is commiting some sort of wrongdoing give Chuck Palahniuk, and other modern, A-List writers a sad. If shiat like this, which is an honest look inside this guys thought processes makes you uncomfortable, go back to reading Stephanie Meyer, FFS.

Did Palahniuk write candid, sexually-charged essays about the professors he was studying under, with the understanding that those professors would be reading and grading them? No, seriously, did he? Because, if not, that's apples and oranges.

/Ew, Meyer? Now there's a creepy writer...

Did these professors realize that an advanced college level writing may be intended to make the reader uncomfortable? No, seriously, did they not realize that? Because if they didn't, those professors aren't fit to teach farking preschool, and you, well you just sound like a sanctimonious prick.

Seriously, I'm not calling you a prick, but lets act like farking adults here. Its an advanced college level course to be taught and participated in by adults.


Right. Thing is, there are different kinds of discomfort. From what it sounds like, this guy's writing made particular individuals uncomfortable, as it was both sexual and specifically about them. That's a different sort of discomfort than the sort that comes from writing that puts characters in uncomfortable situations, or conveys ideas outside of the reader's comfort zone. Writers like Palahniuk do not, to my knowledge, do the former. Least of all in a college classroom.

In any advanced college level writing course -- and I say this as a writing major -- you do learn about writing for more than one audience. (Primary, secondary, tertiary, gatekeepers...) This guy's primary audience was his professors. Had he actually considered that, maybe he could have at least changed some names and personal details. You know, to prevent a professor from possibly being creeped enough to want a restraining order or a handgun or something.
 
2013-03-16 08:28:53 PM
img304.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-16 08:30:09 PM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: He's guilty of being older and not very attractive.


Ding! We've a winnar!
 
2013-03-16 08:34:05 PM

Canton: In any advanced college level writing course -- and I say this as a writing major -- you do learn about writing for more than one audience. (Primary, secondary, tertiary, gatekeepers...) This guy's primary audience was his professors. Had he actually considered that, maybe he could have at least changed some names and personal details. You know, to prevent a professor from possibly being creeped enough to want a restraining order or a handgun or something.


Well as a writing major, don't you feel like you've wasted your farking money because you can't ever go balls out with your writing for fear of getting kicked out of school?

Seriously, fark them.
 
2013-03-16 08:42:04 PM

Madbassist1: Canton: In any advanced college level writing course -- and I say this as a writing major -- you do learn about writing for more than one audience. (Primary, secondary, tertiary, gatekeepers...) This guy's primary audience was his professors. Had he actually considered that, maybe he could have at least changed some names and personal details. You know, to prevent a professor from possibly being creeped enough to want a restraining order or a handgun or something.

Well as a writing major, don't you feel like you've wasted your farking money because you can't ever go balls out with your writing for fear of getting kicked out of school?

Seriously, fark them.


You can write anything you want.  You shouldn't be turning writing about people in TO THEM unless it's something you're certain will go over smoothly.

Had this guy written about his professors on his own time, there wouldn't be an issue.
 
2013-03-16 08:42:55 PM

Nick Nostril: The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: He's guilty of being older and not very attractive.

Ding! We've a winnar!


Yes, but he's also guilty of bad judgement. Various articles about this say that he verified with the professor that the journal entries could be about anything, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to push the envelope. I can't help but think he was trying to provoke a reaction, and counted on being able to fall back on having been given permission to write about anything if the shiat hit the fan.
 
2013-03-16 08:43:38 PM
"She was blonde and attractive in the Meg Ryan kind of way"

3.bp.blogspot.com


/I'll have what she's having.
 
2013-03-16 08:48:52 PM
"She was blonde and attractive in the Meg Ryan kind of way which I usually don't go for"

cdn.evilbeetgossip.com

Yeah, me neither.
 
2013-03-16 08:58:44 PM

MurphyMurphy: I remember my critical writing class in high school, fondly. In particular, one hot early summer day.

The rest of the class had already left for the next period and Ms. Saulice, our young and eager 23y/o teacher, was cleaning the chalk board while I fumbled with my backpack.

"MurphyMurphy," she said "could you come over hear and help me reach the projector screen?"

Standing up I was immediately embarrassed when I noticed the time I had spent watching her clean the chalkboard had left me standing at attention. She may have been our teacher, but sometimes she just seemed like one of us students. She'd had fit right in if there was a 13th grade and that body would be a welcome addition to the cheer-leading squad.

If she noticed my adolescent reaction to her presence, she didn't let on. "Just reach up there and pull that screen down if you could. I told Mrs. Halls I'd put it down for her class in the morning."

Usually the last person to use the screen doesn't put it up all the way, it was odd to be fully retracted like that, I had to stand on my tiptoes just to reach it. "Got it!" I said, grabbing the screen with just the top bit of my middle finger. No sooner had I gained a hold on the screen handle I felt a hand grip me where none but my own had gripped before.

"Me too" Ms. Saulice said with a sly toothless smile and an intimidating look of mischief in her eyes.

I froze. I did not know how to react. This did not phase Ms. Saulice however, as the only part of me she was paying attention to was reacting on it's own. I can tell you now that what was about to happen, I truly thought would never happen to me.....


Were you ever a sophomore  at a small mid-western college?
 
2013-03-16 09:06:39 PM

Dafatone: Madbassist1: Canton: In any advanced college level writing course -- and I say this as a writing major -- you do learn about writing for more than one audience. (Primary, secondary, tertiary, gatekeepers...) This guy's primary audience was his professors. Had he actually considered that, maybe he could have at least changed some names and personal details. You know, to prevent a professor from possibly being creeped enough to want a restraining order or a handgun or something.

Well as a writing major, don't you feel like you've wasted your farking money because you can't ever go balls out with your writing for fear of getting kicked out of school?

Seriously, fark them.

You can write anything you want.  You shouldn't be turning writing about people in TO THEM unless it's something you're certain will go over smoothly.

Had this guy written about his professors on his own time, there wouldn't be an issue.


This. One can go balls out with writing and use some common sense  at the same time. This guy focused far too much on his balls, and far too little on considering his audience. That's why it's an issue.
 
2013-03-16 09:10:22 PM
Corlett, a then 56-year-old student enrolled in an advanced critical writing class, titled his journal entries "Hot For Teacher," after a song by the rock band Van Halen, as part of assignment on diary-style composition.
This actually seems pretty legit.  However, upon further inspection...


The essay goes on to describe another teacher who is "tall, blonde and stacked" in a "skirt, heels, fingernails, smile," ... He basically said, in the essay he turned in to her, that her looks were distracting.
...
In other journal entries, Corlett described sleeping in the nude with his gun and making a fellow female student uncomfortable when he looked up her number and called her home.



... the dude is just a full-on creeper.
He's using a writing assignment as an excuse to make extremely blatant sexual advances on his teachers and then using the assignment again as a scapegoat when he gets in trouble for it.
 
2013-03-16 09:19:42 PM

BigRightRear: Were you ever a sophomore at a small mid-western college?


Hey now, my writing skills may be in need of improvement,

but they aren't 'mid-western college' bad!
 
2013-03-16 09:22:32 PM

Happy Hours: thisispete: Sounds pretty creepy, actually.

It does, but so what?

As long as he's not harassing them or worse the teachers should STFU and honestly grade his essays on the merits.


Yeah, in this, case, suspend him for totally butchering the hard-boiled detective style of noir writing.
 
2013-03-16 09:26:28 PM
I, too am on the wrong side of 50, and I can also attest to never EVER having a thing for Meg Ryan.
 
2013-03-16 09:26:33 PM
Young man writing about beautiful women = poetry. Old man doing same, creepy.
/Being old SUCKS
 
2013-03-16 09:29:18 PM
Well after reading a bit of what he wrote in that article I can conclude what he wrote was creepy indeed.
 
2013-03-16 09:41:11 PM
Yeah, maybe if he was just the essays he'd just be creepy.
But the whole "sleeping naked with a gun" and other stuff people have references in this thread paint a picture of a mentally unbalanced dude that I wouldn't be comfortable around if I were a woman.
On the plus side, it's good that he went back to school. Never too old for that.
 
2013-03-16 09:45:40 PM

Snort: RedVentrue: FTA "
"I've had a few worries lately, the first that Lynn Anne, my wife, would read this. But now I don't care. I suppose my fear is a good sign that I'm writing honestly," Corlett wrote."

No. You are violating the personal space of everyone around you.

You know how I know you don't know what personal space is, you know?


You can violate someones personal space with words.
 
2013-03-16 09:49:28 PM

Canton: Dafatone: Madbassist1: Canton: In any advanced college level writing course -- and I say this as a writing major -- you do learn about writing for more than one audience. (Primary, secondary, tertiary, gatekeepers...) This guy's primary audience was his professors. Had he actually considered that, maybe he could have at least changed some names and personal details. You know, to prevent a professor from possibly being creeped enough to want a restraining order or a handgun or something.

Well as a writing major, don't you feel like you've wasted your farking money because you can't ever go balls out with your writing for fear of getting kicked out of school?

Seriously, fark them.

You can write anything you want.  You shouldn't be turning writing about people in TO THEM unless it's something you're certain will go over smoothly.

Had this guy written about his professors on his own time, there wouldn't be an issue.

This. One can go balls out with writing and use some common sense  at the same time. This guy focused far too much on his balls, and far too little on considering his audience. That's why it's an issue.


I totally agree.
 
2013-03-16 09:58:33 PM

Theaetetus: Just so that all the white knights in here are clear who they're defending...
In other journal entries, Corlett described sleeping in the nude with his gun and making a fellow female student uncomfortable when he looked up her number and called her home.


They should farking outlaw those phonebooks!
 
2013-03-16 10:11:09 PM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: He's guilty of being older and not very attractive.


That and being a scarily creepy individual.

Even if he were young and attractive, he'd be just a creepy.  Some of the ladies might have looked past the creepiness if he were hot, but not all of them would.  Those that did, they'd probably regret it later .

I've known a few guys like this, some young and good looking, some older and not so good looking.  Not one of them would surprise me a bit were they to be in the newspaper tomorrow, accused of killing their significant other.

/Creepy is creepy
 
2013-03-16 10:22:56 PM

MurphyMurphy: I remember my critical writing class in high school, fondly. In particular, one hot early summer day.

The rest of the class had already left for the next period and Ms. Saulice, our young and eager 23y/o teacher, was cleaning the chalk board while I fumbled with my backpack.

"MurphyMurphy," she said "could you come over hear and help me reach the projector screen?"

Standing up I was immediately embarrassed when I noticed the time I had spent watching her clean the chalkboard had left me standing at attention. She may have been our teacher, but sometimes she just seemed like one of us students. She'd had fit right in if there was a 13th grade and that body would be a welcome addition to the cheer-leading squad.

If she noticed my adolescent reaction to her presence, she didn't let on. "Just reach up there and pull that screen down if you could. I told Mrs. Halls I'd put it down for her class in the morning."

Usually the last person to use the screen doesn't put it up all the way, it was odd to be fully retracted like that, I had to stand on my tiptoes just to reach it. "Got it!" I said, grabbing the screen with just the top bit of my middle finger. No sooner had I gained a hold on the screen handle I felt a hand grip me where none but my own had gripped before.

"Me too" Ms. Saulice said with a sly toothless smile and an intimidating look of mischief in her eyes.

I froze. I did not know how to react. This did not phase Ms. Saulice however, as the only part of me she was paying attention to was reacting on it's own. I can tell you now that what was about to happen, I truly thought would never happen to me,

cuz my mom got scared And said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air." I whistled for a cab and when it came near The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror If anything I could say that this cab was rare But I thought, "Nah, forget it. Yo home to Bel-Air!" I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 And I yelled to the cabby yo holmes smell ya later Looked at my kingdom I was finally there To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air.

FTFY
 
2013-03-16 10:36:10 PM

Theaetetus: Happy Hours: thisispete: Sounds pretty creepy, actually.

It does, but so what?

As long as he's not harassing them or worse the teachers should STFU and honestly grade his essays on the merits.

So, you agree that he was properly kicked off campus?


No, because I don't believe what was described in the article was harassment. If the teacher had spoken to him about it and requested he refrain from using actual characters in his writing because it made her uncomfortable and he continued to do so, then you might have a case for harassment.

Now that may have just led to thinly veiled fictitious characters in which case it might be sort of a grey area. Of course, Hollywood often puts disclaimers in movies that say "All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental." even though very often it's pretty obvious it was at least inspired by actual people.
 
2013-03-16 10:42:25 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Young man writing about beautiful women = poetry. Old man doing same, creepy.
/Being old SUCKS


No... if you're writing it about your teacher, a person who has an arms-length relationship with you at best in a college setting, and then handing that same story in to her, you're being creepy regardless of your age. It's possible that some younger guy might get away with it because the teacher might think he doesn't know any better, but it would be considered creepy either way.
 
2013-03-16 10:42:58 PM

Theaetetus: Just so that all the white knights in here are clear who they're defending...
In other journal entries, Corlett described sleeping in the nude with his gun and making a fellow female student uncomfortable when he looked up her number and called her home.


Oh my! When I was in college I sometimes looked up other students numbers and called them at home. Sometimes they were even girls and I asked them to go out with me. Sometimes they shot me down. From their rejections I gather they didn't want to go out with me. Was that harassment?

No. Would it have been harassment to call over and over when it was clear they didn't want to go out? Yes, it would have been. The article says he called one female student once.

Perhaps there's a lot more to this story, but I can only go by what it says in the article.
 
2013-03-16 10:48:27 PM

Canton: This. One can go balls out with writing and use some common sense at the same time. This guy focused far too much on his balls, and far too little on considering his audience. That's why it's an issue.


Um...its an issue because his professor...the professional in the relationship, made it an issue.
 
2013-03-16 10:50:42 PM

RedVentrue: You can violate someones personal space with words.



That's the dumbest farking thing I have ever read. As someone who reads FARK daily, that's saying something.
 
2013-03-16 10:55:40 PM

Next week's Tom Sawyer: The lesson here is that when teachers insist students keep a journal of thoughts that might otherwise be self-censored, and when requested clarification upon requested clarification results in a repeat of the ambiguous requirements if the assignment, they should not be surprised when the entries contain things one might consider offensive.

This teacher should either lighten up, or stop teaching (in the manner she is teaching). Either way, I could give a fark less about some middle aged woman feigning outrage when she was the one pushing the limits.


This.

You assign a project, the student complies, and you get bent out of shape.

Maybe the teacher should have set rules.
 
2013-03-16 11:00:05 PM

Gawdzila: He's using a writing assignment as an excuse to make extremely blatant sexual advances on his teachers and then using the assignment again as a scapegoat when he gets in trouble for it.


This.

Another essay described a teacher who is "tall, blonde and stacked" in a "skirt, heels, fingernails, smile," and described her as "smart and articulate." I'll search for something unattractive about her. No luck yet," he wrote. ...

"The very essence of what I'm saying is that I'm inspired by her relentless teaching style ... It had nothing to do with her physical appearance whatsoever."

"It was never just about their bodies, that was just a small part of it," he explained to Langton about his essays, adding, "I used nine words to describe her and of those nine words, two were 'smart' and 'articulate.'"


Yeah, and the other 7 were all about her looks, including "stacked."

7/9 = 78% > "a small part" > "nothing ... whatsoever."

(Though, in fairness, when I tell my dates that a small part is more than nothing, they don't seem to grasp the difference -- so to speak.)

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: He's guilty of being older and not very attractive.


Partly this. The compliments may have been unwise, or even inappropriate, but let's be honest: if she thought he was hot, would she be bothered by it? It's not harassment unless she'd already rejected him. However...

Corlett described sleeping in the nude with his gun and making a fellow female student uncomfortable when he looked up her number and called her home.

That's the intimidating part. "Gosh, I love your relentless teaching style, and the fact that you're stacked. I once tracked down a woman's home address. By the way, did I mention my gun?"
 
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