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2013-03-16 12:13:07 PM
1) Religious nuts, who won't pass muster in the national electorate
2) Economic nuts, ditto
3) Folks in BOTH 1 and 2, double-ditto
4) North-East RINOs, who won't pass muster with the base in the GOP Primaries
 
2013-03-16 12:31:01 PM
Can we do an over/under bet on the total number of votes for OH Sen Rob Portman.  Cause either way its going to be funny as shiat.
 
2013-03-16 12:32:50 PM
Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.
 
2013-03-16 12:36:48 PM
Of course Scott Walker did.  He's put WI's economy behind both the national average and (more tellingly) behind all the other states in the region.  He's only ~210k jobs away from hitting his 4-yr plan to create 250k jobs, at the *halfway point*.  Plus Forbes recently projected WI to be 2nd-worst in economic development thru 2016.  Scott Walker for President because excellent track record.
 
2013-03-16 12:46:53 PM
They should definitely run creepy Walker. He'll do great on the national stage. I swear. And they should dredge up Palin or Ryan for VP.
 
2013-03-16 12:46:54 PM

gameshowhost: Of course Scott Walker did.  He's put WI's economy behind both the national average and (more tellingly) behind all the other states in the region.  He's only ~210k jobs away from hitting his 4-yr plan to create 250k jobs, at the *halfway point*.  Plus Forbes recently projected WI to be 2nd-worst in economic development thru 2016.  Scott Walker for President because excellent track record.


A small price to pay to stick it to the libs and put down unions.
 
2013-03-16 12:50:03 PM
From TFAFormer Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels

This would be the intelligent choice, which is why it will never happen.
 
2013-03-16 01:02:18 PM

Man On A Mission: From TFA:  Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels

This would be the intelligent choice, which is why it will never happen.


No it wouldn't.  He's just as much an economic "genius" as Paul Ryan.
 
2013-03-16 01:11:10 PM
Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now

www.wisconsingazette.com
 
2013-03-16 01:24:38 PM
The list reads like a circus roster. Are Republicans ever again going to become intellectually serious? Where the hell are the Eisenhowers? Well, I know where they are...pushed out of the party either into being Democrats or judged unworthy of Republican support as RINOs.
 
2013-03-16 01:25:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.


Looks like there are some things we can all agree on after all!
 
2013-03-16 01:26:30 PM
Awww... no love for Shellie?
 
2013-03-16 01:27:08 PM

Man On A Mission: From TFA:  Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels

This would be the intelligent choice, which is why it will never happen.


Not really.

/Hoosier
//Our educational system (the primary function of a state government) has been gutted, but we have a balanced budget to make him look good to fiscal conservatives!
///I'm just SURE gutting our educational system will have no long term, negative consequences in a highly competitive 21st Century economy.
 
2013-03-16 01:30:57 PM

GAT_00: Man On A Mission: From TFA:  Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels

This would be the intelligent choice, which is why it will never happen.

No it wouldn't.  He's just as much an economic "genius" as Paul Ryan.


Well, he did serve as GW Bush's Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget during the time in which that Administration turned a budget surplus into a huge deficit, so he's got that economic genius going for him.
 
2013-03-16 01:32:03 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.


If they did, they'd have invited Christie. He's got some crossover appeal.
 
2013-03-16 01:34:21 PM
7. Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels
15. Indiana Governor Mike Pence


Double dammit! Selling everything not nailed down + tax cuts =/= good policy
 
2013-03-16 01:42:21 PM
Meanwhile, Chris Christie, who polls show at least runs well against the most likely Democratic candidates in 2016, isn't invited to CPAC because he's not conservative enough.

Not that I think it would have been wise for him to show up for this freakshow.
 
2013-03-16 01:46:55 PM

SilentStrider: Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.

If they did, they'd have invited Christie. He's got some crossover appeal.


Exactly.  If he changes parties, he could be President some day.
 
2013-03-16 02:00:14 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: 7. Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels
15. Indiana Governor Mike Pence

Double dammit! Selling everything not nailed down + tax cuts =/= good policy


Good policy is anathema to modern conservatism.
 
2013-03-16 02:10:48 PM
Meanwhile, Queen Sarah is still being the same old coont as always
 
2013-03-16 02:14:33 PM
Well, Jindal is on the list, so there's that. While most Republicans are trying to undo Roosevelt's legacy, Jindal is trying to undo Huey Long.
 
2013-03-16 02:15:08 PM
Wow that's depressing.
 
2013-03-16 02:25:06 PM
Zombie Pol Pot found to be too much of a peacemaker.
 
2013-03-16 02:57:09 PM
Sarah Palin/Rand Paul 2016!

This message paid for by the DNC.
 
2013-03-16 03:07:16 PM
I love how it's a straw poll to go with all of the straw man arguments.  I guess they have to pick the best one for that job.
 
2013-03-16 03:16:57 PM
A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.
 
2013-03-16 03:32:55 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.


Holy fark, you're not kidding.
 
2013-03-16 03:35:20 PM

Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.


Wait, why would Democrats twitch again.

We'd just be watching a Hispanic Mitt Romney and a slightly smarter version of Sarah Palin run.
 
2013-03-16 03:35:30 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meanwhile, Queen Sarah is still being the same old coont as always


"Palin hit Obama on everything from gun control to transparency and likened his administration to a TV reality show."

This is the same taco who had an actual reality show.
 
2013-03-16 03:35:57 PM
Wisconsin leads the nation in supplying us with punchable faces.
 
2013-03-16 03:36:47 PM
Jan Brewer? Is she the lady who told 2bama "you have one more year"?
 
2013-03-16 03:38:19 PM
A picture from inside the convention hall.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-16 03:39:58 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.


To be fair the front runners have never done well in primaries.
Just ask:
Huckabee,
Perry,
Cain,
Gingrich
etc etc

Not that I think their final decision will be that much better...
 
2013-03-16 03:41:03 PM
Some of these are governors who are going to get suckered into sign on to Obamacare. They may as well set fire to their Republican card while they're at it.
 
2013-03-16 03:42:39 PM

jjorsett: Some of these are governors who are going to get suckered into sign on to Obamacare. They may as well set fire to their Republican card while they're at it.


NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!!!
 
2013-03-16 03:43:21 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.

To be fair the front runners have never done well in primaries.
Just ask:
Huckabee,
Perry,
Cain,
Gingrich
etc etc

Not that I think their final decision will be that much better...


Ron Paul has wont this thing for the past 2 or 3 years I think.

These straw polls mean nothing outside of bored political junkies.
 
2013-03-16 03:44:07 PM

jjorsett: Some of these are governors who are going to get suckered into sign on to Obamacare. They may as well set fire to their Republican card while they're at it.


Yup, hindering healthcare coverage sounds like a winning strategy.
 
2013-03-16 03:44:17 PM
That's like picking a kickball team at the local special education school.
 
2013-03-16 03:46:42 PM
I'm mildly surprised that Zombie-Reagan or some sort of Reagan hologram isn't on this list.
 
2013-03-16 03:47:02 PM
Corporate lackies like Walker, economic ignoramuses like Ryan, former Bushies like Daniels, mental defectives like Perry and Palin, Bible Belters like Frothy Santorum  "we got one too" ethnic candidates like Jindal and the chick with the stripper name and some big guy who wasn't even invited to CPAC who's already been labelled a RINO?

So...?

GOP 2016 "We still got a wide variety of nothing."

Yeah, good luck with all that.

/Don't whether to laugh or cry here.
//Gonna go with laugh, I think.
///[ilold]
 
2013-03-16 03:49:47 PM

Alphakronik: That's like picking a kickball team at the local special education school.


To be fair special education students have mental handicaps that hinder their abilities. These guys have fully functioning brains but are still incompetent morans.
 
2013-03-16 03:50:56 PM

Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.


I don't get it. Will the libs be twitching because the Republicans will be making racist jokes about their own candidates? Or is this one of those "we got us some darkies so now we will win for sure" things that out-of-touch Republicans like to proclaim?
 
2013-03-16 03:51:14 PM

Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.


*blink*

You think a Hispanic presidential candidate with a female vice presidential candidate would make Dems twitch?

[quizzicaldog]

Have you ever actually met the GOP base?

Lawls.
 
2013-03-16 03:51:20 PM

max_pooper: Alphakronik: That's like picking a kickball team at the local special education school.

To be fair special education students have mental handicaps that hinder their abilities. These guys have fully functioning brains but are still incompetent morans.


I'm not sure science has proven that yet.
 
2013-03-16 03:52:25 PM
That means it's a 50/50 chance. It'll be either Clinton/Biden or Biden/Clinton.
 
2013-03-16 03:53:23 PM

max_pooper: Alphakronik: That's like picking a kickball team at the local special education school.

To be fair special education students have mental handicaps that hinder their abilities. These guys have fully functioning brains but are still incompetent morans.


citation, please.
 
2013-03-16 03:54:08 PM
If I recall right, they way the GOP does things is the one who came in second becomes the candidate next time.
So that would mean Santorum.  I hope that comes to pass. If Santorum doesn't become the candidate I will be sad.
 
2013-03-16 03:54:21 PM
The only way they will win is if they can figure out a way to gerrymander the national election.
 
2013-03-16 03:54:30 PM

Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.


Liberals will twitch with laughter.  Pat Buchanan's head will explode.
 
2013-03-16 03:57:59 PM
i1097.photobucket.com
Yes, nominate this guy, please
 
2013-03-16 03:58:56 PM

Alphakronik: That's like picking a kickball team at the local special education school.


www.wisconsingazette.com
 
2013-03-16 03:59:16 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meanwhile, Queen Sarah is still being the same old coont as always


Um...she and her audience are aware that Obama can't be re-elected, right?  They're obviously kidding, otherwise they'd look like a bunch of mean-spirited, bigoted, ignorant, hateful racists.
 
2013-03-16 04:00:15 PM

Jormungandr: If I recall right, they way the GOP does things is the one who came in second becomes the candidate next time.
So that would mean Santorum.  I hope that comes to pass. If Santorum doesn't become the candidate I will be sad.


Santorum has an advantage over any new candidate that tries to win the nomination in '16:  he managed to last through the end of the primaries last time around, so he starts off with a better ground game (just like Romney last time, and McCain in '08).  Like you, I hope that Santorum becomes the Republican nominee, and I'm very happy to see esteemed journalistical resources such as WorldNetDaily spreading Santorum's message across the intertubes.
 
2013-03-16 04:01:45 PM

quatchi: Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.

*blink*

You think a Hispanic presidential candidate with a female vice presidential candidate would make Dems twitch?

[quizzicaldog]

Have you ever actually met the GOP base?

Lawls.


You see, it's because liberals are the real racists and misogynists.
 
2013-03-16 04:03:00 PM

HighOnCraic: Like you, I hope that Santorum becomes the Republican nominee


Santorum/Palin

for the lulz

ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
 
2013-03-16 04:03:06 PM

Man On A Mission: From TFA:  Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels

This would be the intelligent choice, which is why it will never happen.


Horse shiat.  He gutted the education system here and then miraculously "found" $300M in an account. Pence is no better but at least we got rid of Bennett.

Still loving how the Republicans were so butthurt over Glenda Ritz beating Bennett that they tried to create an educational position (appointed) that would be over her just to get their pet voucher/charter schools going. Fark the lot of them.
 
2013-03-16 04:10:33 PM

Alphakronik: That's like picking a kickball team at the local special education school

for paraplegics.

FTFY
 
2013-03-16 04:11:38 PM
Phooey. Condi vs. Hillary, 2016.
/All signs point to yes.
 
2013-03-16 04:12:02 PM
Republicans don't need to win the White House, considering they're getting just about all they want by being obstructionists in Congress.
 
2013-03-16 04:12:28 PM
As my mom used to say, "The whole bunch of 'em don't have enough brains to wad a shotgun."
 
2013-03-16 04:16:53 PM
At this moment, the GOP bench is so disastrous that one could pick any pair for the ticket and I'd be saying, "Yes, oh please, oh please!"

Can anyone name two GOPers who can meet the following criteria:
1) Win their primaries
2) Win the general
3) Have sane national policies in regards to
  a) National Economics (as in, no more trickle-down)
  b) Social welfare (as in progressive taxation and support for unions)
  c) Healthcare (as in driving towards a single-payer system)
  d) Defense (in particular, have the balls to cut defense spending)
  e) Civil rights (as in, not to gut the various portions of the civil rights act)

I think the Venn Diagram of people that fit any of those criteria will show a null set for the common intersection.
 
2013-03-16 04:20:30 PM

Counter_Intelligent: Republicans don't need to win the White House, considering they're getting just about all they want by being obstructionists in Congress.


Yes, their policy now is basically to use the "gut the government" tactic at every level. Their desire to win the presidency is just to legitimize the tactic. The reality is that they want nothing more than to make the US into a banana republic. By levi-ing regressive taxes to cause a major wealth Gap. And they want to office to make it all seem Lee-gal.
 
2013-03-16 04:20:39 PM
Where the hell is Michele Bachmann ? Is she a RINO now?
 
2013-03-16 04:20:55 PM

jst3p: The only way they will win is if they can figure out a way to gerrymander the national election.


Such as dividing up electoral votes based on congressional districts?
 
2013-03-16 04:21:23 PM

abb3w: 1) Religious nuts, who won't pass muster in the national electorate
2) Economic nuts, ditto
3) Folks in BOTH 1 and 2, double-ditto
4) North-East RINOs, who won't pass muster with the base in the GOP Primaries


That's pretty much the entire party, isn't it?
 
2013-03-16 04:22:21 PM
I highly encourage the GOP to run these two fine upstanding citizen-soldiers in the upcoming 2016 election.

I fully expect them to do well and not eat their own shiat-filled diapers on national TV before choking on their own tongues.

Again.

Also, if you could see fit to include Sarah Palin and the chick from Nevada who's not a witch, that'd be super awesome.
 
2013-03-16 04:22:54 PM
6. Texas U.S. Senator Ted Cruz

/shhh...don't tell them
 
2013-03-16 04:22:58 PM

dericwater: At this moment, the GOP bench is so disastrous that one could pick any pair for the ticket and I'd be saying, "Yes, oh please, oh please!"

Can anyone name two GOPers who can meet the following criteria:
1) Win their primaries
2) Win the general
3) Have sane national policies in regards to


1 and 3 are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-03-16 04:23:50 PM
Can't the GOP find a candidate who hasn't yelled to another man "make me come?"
 
2013-03-16 04:24:57 PM
Is that fetal alcohol syndrome or gomer pyleism?
 
2013-03-16 04:25:08 PM

SilentStrider: Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.

If they did, they'd have invited Christie. He's got some crossover appeal.


Eh, TBH, I don't think Christie would do well.  His "crossover appeal" mostly comes from the fact that he actually said nice things about Obama; once people got a load of what a loudmouthed asshole he is, I think that'd evaporate really fast.

/at least he's not farking crazy, though
 
2013-03-16 04:25:47 PM

propasaurus: quatchi: Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.

*blink*

You think a Hispanic presidential candidate with a female vice presidential candidate would make Dems twitch?

[quizzicaldog]

Have you ever actually met the GOP base?

Lawls.

You see, it's because liberals are the real racists and misogynists.


Either that, or because liberals would never be able to believe that minorities would be some other party, or else liberals are obliged to vote for minorities and so they would be forced to vote Republican.
 
2013-03-16 04:26:03 PM

dericwater: At this moment, the GOP bench is so disastrous that one could pick any pair for the ticket and I'd be saying, "Yes, oh please, oh please!"

Can anyone name two GOPers who can meet the following criteria:
1) Win their primaries
2) Win the general
3) Have sane national policies in regards to
  a) National Economics (as in, no more trickle-down)
  b) Social welfare (as in progressive taxation and support for unions)
  c) Healthcare (as in driving towards a single-payer system)
  d) Defense (in particular, have the balls to cut defense spending)
  e) Civil rights (as in, not to gut the various portions of the civil rights act)

I think the Venn Diagram of people that fit any of those criteria will show a null set for the common intersection.


Way to place the goalpost on a different playing field. You want us to name GOPers who are Democrats?
 
2013-03-16 04:30:36 PM

HeartBurnKid: SilentStrider: Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.

If they did, they'd have invited Christie. He's got some crossover appeal.

Eh, TBH, I don't think Christie would do well.  His "crossover appeal" mostly comes from the fact that he actually said nice things about Obama; once people got a load of what a loudmouthed asshole he is, I think that'd evaporate really fast.

/at least he's not farking crazy, though


Not if they played it right.  Christie has enormous appeal in his state, among both parties, due to his aggressive efforts to help his state and constituents.

A solid case could be made for a series of ads highlighting Christie's efforts to be truly bipartisan and reach across the aisle to work with Democrats.  To say absolutely 'nothing' of his open and repeated comments of scorn and disdain for GOP members who insinuated that he put national GOP needs above those of his constituents.

It can very easily be believed that Christie is a man of New Jersey before he's a Republican and 'that' translates well to a national election.  In short, if they believe he'd give the finger to the GOP over what his current constituents want and need, that he'll turn around and give the same priority to the American people over what the GOP wants from him.

And honestly, looking at the man and how he acts, I believe this would be the case.  He's a jerk, but he's the jerk responsible for New Jersey's citizens and he does right by them.

At this point, I'd want a President who'd give the finger to the blowhards in both parties and do what's needed and wanted by the American people.
 
2013-03-16 04:32:39 PM

fitsnews.com


/Uh oh, somebodies got a frowny face.
 
2013-03-16 04:34:23 PM

Infernalist: HeartBurnKid: SilentStrider: Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.

If they did, they'd have invited Christie. He's got some crossover appeal.

Eh, TBH, I don't think Christie would do well.  His "crossover appeal" mostly comes from the fact that he actually said nice things about Obama; once people got a load of what a loudmouthed asshole he is, I think that'd evaporate really fast.

/at least he's not farking crazy, though

Not if they played it right.  Christie has enormous appeal in his state, among both parties, due to his aggressive efforts to help his state and constituents.

A solid case could be made for a series of ads highlighting Christie's efforts to be truly bipartisan and reach across the aisle to work with Democrats.  To say absolutely 'nothing' of his open and repeated comments of scorn and disdain for GOP members who insinuated that he put national GOP needs above those of his constituents.

It can very easily be believed that Christie is a man of New Jersey before he's a Republican and 'that' translates well to a national election.  In short, if they believe he'd give the finger to the GOP over what his current constituents want and need, that he'll turn around and give the same priority to the American people over what the GOP wants from him.

And honestly, looking at the man and how he acts, I believe this would be the case.  He's a jerk, but he's the jerk responsible for New Jersey's citizens and he does right by them.

At this point, I'd want a President who'd give the finger to the blowhards in both parties and do what's needed and wanted by the American people.


That's fair enough, but an election is at least as much a popularity contest as it is a contest of policies.  Christie's personality may resonate with New Jersey, but I don't see him really winning people over outside of it; not with the way he behaves and carries himself.
 
2013-03-16 04:34:36 PM

redqueenmeg: propasaurus: quatchi: Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.

*blink*

You think a Hispanic presidential candidate with a female vice presidential candidate would make Dems twitch?

[quizzicaldog]

Have you ever actually met the GOP base?

Lawls.

You see, it's because liberals are the real racists and misogynists.

Either that, or because liberals would never be able to believe that minorities would be some other party, or else liberals are obliged to vote for minorities and so they would be forced to vote Republican.


Minorities have NO reason whatsoever to vote for the GOP at the moment.  Their members are openly racist or too scared to confront the blowhards who spew racist sexist nonsense.

Consider that fellow from yesterday's article, the black fellow who'd organized this "The GOP isn't racist!" meeting, and had that bigot show up and spew his bullshiat openly and without rebuke.  Dude just sat there and 'took' this racist crap from this guy without saying a word back to him about it.

What black man could sign up for the GOP at this point and still be able to call himself a man?
 
2013-03-16 04:36:44 PM
FTA "Jennifer Rubin, made the case for gay marriage as conservative value."

Laughter Out Loud.
 
2013-03-16 04:36:56 PM

olderbudnoweiser: 6. Texas U.S. Senator Ted Cruz

/shhh...don't tell them


Hey, at least it's not Kenya.

/Amirite?
 
2013-03-16 04:37:00 PM

Infernalist: What black man could sign up for the GOP at this point and still be able to call himself a man?


imdatingablackguy.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-16 04:37:09 PM

olderbudnoweiser: 6. Texas U.S. Senator Ted Cruz

/shhh...don't tell them


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
 
2013-03-16 04:37:49 PM

HeartBurnKid: Infernalist: HeartBurnKid: SilentStrider: Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.

If they did, they'd have invited Christie. He's got some crossover appeal.

Eh, TBH, I don't think Christie would do well.  His "crossover appeal" mostly comes from the fact that he actually said nice things about Obama; once people got a load of what a loudmouthed asshole he is, I think that'd evaporate really fast.

/at least he's not farking crazy, though

Not if they played it right.  Christie has enormous appeal in his state, among both parties, due to his aggressive efforts to help his state and constituents.

A solid case could be made for a series of ads highlighting Christie's efforts to be truly bipartisan and reach across the aisle to work with Democrats.  To say absolutely 'nothing' of his open and repeated comments of scorn and disdain for GOP members who insinuated that he put national GOP needs above those of his constituents.

It can very easily be believed that Christie is a man of New Jersey before he's a Republican and 'that' translates well to a national election.  In short, if they believe he'd give the finger to the GOP over what his current constituents want and need, that he'll turn around and give the same priority to the American people over what the GOP wants from him.

And honestly, looking at the man and how he acts, I believe this would be the case.  He's a jerk, but he's the jerk responsible for New Jersey's citizens and he does right by them.

At this point, I'd want a President who'd give the finger to the blowhards in both parties and do what's needed and wanted by the American people.

That's fair enough, but an election is at least as much a popularity contest as it is a contest of policies.  Christie's personality may resonate with New Jersey, but I don't see him really winning people over outside of it; not with the way he behaves and carries himself.


Maybe, maybe not.  Bush Sr. was labeled a 'wimp' and the man was an ex-CIA chief.  People 'like' an aggressive personality in the big seat as long as he's not perceived as a bully.

If they highlight his aggressive demeanor against people that are generally not liked (terrorists, criminal figures, the GOP, rogue nations), then it'll work to his favor.
 
2013-03-16 04:39:21 PM
That's a surprisingly long list for such a short bus.
 
2013-03-16 04:39:54 PM

MontanaDave: dericwater: At this moment, the GOP bench is so disastrous that one could pick any pair for the ticket and I'd be saying, "Yes, oh please, oh please!"

Can anyone name two GOPers who can meet the following criteria:
1) Win their primaries
2) Win the general
3) Have sane national policies in regards to
  a) National Economics (as in, no more trickle-down)
  b) Social welfare (as in progressive taxation and support for unions)
  c) Healthcare (as in driving towards a single-payer system)
  d) Defense (in particular, have the balls to cut defense spending)
  e) Civil rights (as in, not to gut the various portions of the civil rights act)

I think the Venn Diagram of people that fit any of those criteria will show a null set for the common intersection.

Way to place the goalpost on a different playing field. You want us to name GOPers who are Democrats?


Well, see, I like to hire people based on a feature set that would be good for the country, not because the candidate might have a skin color or genitals to cover up for the short comings the party has to those with the wrong skin color or wrong genital types.
 
2013-03-16 04:40:07 PM

Delay: FTA "Jennifer Rubin, made the case for gay marriage as conservative value."

Laughter Out Loud.


But, that's the funny part. It should be a GOP value!

The GOP insists that they're the party of small government and why in the world should the government care about who gets married, as long as it's between consenting adults?   The problem lies in the social conservatives, not the fiscal 'small government' conservatives in the GOP.  But, of course, the fiscal conservatives are increasingly fewer and fewer with every election.
 
2013-03-16 04:40:30 PM

WorldCitizen: Man On A Mission: From TFA:  Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels

This would be the intelligent choice, which is why it will never happen.

Not really.

/Hoosier
//Our educational system (the primary function of a state government) has been gutted, but we have a balanced budget to make him look good to fiscal conservatives!
///I'm just SURE gutting our educational system will have no long term, negative consequences in a highly competitive 21st Century economy.


hey at least your education reform isn't in court - Jindal. as it should be, my god is the voucher program badly done. if you are a small religious school you love the program. a mid sized city with a normal demographic curve, you hate it.
 
2013-03-16 04:40:50 PM

Infernalist: If they highlight his aggressive demeanor against people that are generally not liked (terrorists, criminal figures, the GOP, rogue nations), then it'll work to his favor.


Yep.
 
2013-03-16 04:43:07 PM

Delay: Infernalist: If they highlight his aggressive demeanor against people that are generally not liked (terrorists, criminal figures, the GOP, rogue nations), then it'll work to his favor.

Yep.


And the best part is, he's already done that and it made his poll numbers go up.  Across the board.  He bucked the party leadership, gave them the finger, worked with the other party, potentially wounded the GOP's candidate for the big seat and most people gave him the thumbs and said "Good. Keep it up."
 
2013-03-16 04:43:22 PM

Delay: FTA "Jennifer Rubin, made the case for gay marriage as conservative value."

Laughter Out Loud.


I've said it before: ten years from now, the official party line will be that conservatives were ALWAYS in favor of same sex marriage and the only reason it took so long to achieve was because of the obstructionist Democrats. Remember, it was liberal hero Bill Clinton who signed DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell.
 
2013-03-16 04:45:51 PM

Infernalist: But, that's the funny part. It should be a GOP value!


I completely agree with you. Why is it not?

My guess is the GOP has no values. The Republican Party only seeks tax cuts and military contracts for the employers who enrich their campaigns.
 
2013-03-16 04:46:06 PM

Curious: WorldCitizen: Man On A Mission: From TFA:  Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels

This would be the intelligent choice, which is why it will never happen.

Not really.

/Hoosier
//Our educational system (the primary function of a state government) has been gutted, but we have a balanced budget to make him look good to fiscal conservatives!
///I'm just SURE gutting our educational system will have no long term, negative consequences in a highly competitive 21st Century economy.

hey at least your education reform isn't in court - Jindal. as it should be, my god is the voucher program badly done. if you are a small religious Christian school you love the program. a mid sized city with a normal demographic curve, you hate it.


Muslim religious schools need not apply.
 
2013-03-16 04:46:58 PM

Mrtraveler01: Richard Saunders: A Rubio/Haley ticket would be entertaining.  And by entertaining I mean,  watch liberal Democrats twitch.

Wait, why would Democrats twitch again.

We'd just be watching a Hispanic Mitt Romney and a slightly smarter version of Sarah Palin run.


Republicans think Democrats would twitch because they instinctively project their own racism on Democrats. That's why they think token brown and female candidates are good politics.
 
2013-03-16 04:48:16 PM

propasaurus: I've said it before: ten years from now, the official party line will be that conservatives were ALWAYS in favor of same sex marriage and the only reason it took so long to achieve was because of the obstructionist Democrats. Remember, it was liberal hero Bill Clinton who signed DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell.


You know I bet they'll end up reversing all their unpopular positions.  We've always been at war with East Asia....

obsidianwings.blogs.com
 
2013-03-16 04:49:10 PM

ilambiquated: That's why they think token brown and female


Please go on ....
 
2013-03-16 04:49:29 PM

Delay: FTA "Jennifer Rubin, made the case for gay marriage as conservative value."

Laughter Out Loud.


It should be. Marriage equality should be a part of the Republican platform. On the basis of freedom of religion and equal access under the law. The Party of Lincoln looking to restrict rights for citizens is shameful. It isn't the entire reason for my splitting with the party, but it is definitely a symptom of the rot within.

A church doesn't want to perform those ceremonies, I'm behind that decision, 100%. They are free to choose that path for themselves, but that extends to also allowing Methodists and Unitarians, and synagogues and others to choose their own path. Citizens have the right to equal protection under the law, and together, those should be reason enough for the Republican party to stand for marriage equality. It isn't about sin, it's about access under the law, and the freedom to worship as you like, and not have other ministries determine what is meet and good for you.

The party is in grave condition at this point, and it is because the party pulled fringe groups to become the center of their agenda, and that goes for the NeoCons as much as the Religious Right. It was a move that was made to draw in dollars, and shore up support in some states, but at a grave cost. Coupled with the move to generate scholastic support with captive publishing houses to produce books to parrot back moves that have already been decided upon, as opposed to looking to experts to advise on matters, it has led to the deafening echo chamber that now predominates the party leadership. It is a dangerous trend, and I can only hope that the party will see its own folly, or crumble and something new can form from the rubble, and hopefully something grounded in reality, as opposed to those who have willfully misconstrued the idea of "subjective reality" as their watchword...
 
2013-03-16 04:49:52 PM

HeartBurnKid: That's pretty much the entire party, isn't it?


There's a few Moneycons who aren't quite economic nuts, some not particularly religious racist Xenocons and militarist Jingocons, and some young non-northeast RINOs who still call themselves Republicans because their parents raised them to be loyal GOP voters and it hasn't sunk in just how out of tune they are with the GOP.

Not many of any of those holding elected office, especially the first and last.
 
2013-03-16 04:51:04 PM

HighOnCraic: Jormungandr: If I recall right, they way the GOP does things is the one who came in second becomes the candidate next time.
So that would mean Santorum.  I hope that comes to pass. If Santorum doesn't become the candidate I will be sad.

Santorum has an advantage over any new candidate that tries to win the nomination in '16:  he managed to last through the end of the primaries last time around, so he starts off with a better ground game (just like Romney last time, and McCain in '08).  Like you, I hope that Santorum becomes the Republican nominee, and I'm very happy to see esteemed journalistical resources such as WorldNetDaily spreading Santorum's message across the intertubes.


Yes, Santorum needs to spread. Thick, foamy and odious Santorum. I hope that who ever is the D nominee gets a few frothy jokes out there or better yet, somehow gets Dan Savage to be a debate moderator.
 
2013-03-16 04:53:32 PM

King Something: gameshowhost: Of course Scott Walker did.  He's put WI's economy behind both the national average and (more tellingly) behind all the other states in the region.  He's only ~210k jobs away from hitting his 4-yr plan to create 250k jobs, at the *halfway point*.  Plus Forbes recently projected WI to be 2nd-worst in economic development thru 2016.  Scott Walker for President because excellent track record.

A small price to pay to stick it to the libs and put down unions.


A small price indeed. But then I'd gladly break out the nukes as well if it would get rid of all the stoners.
 
2013-03-16 04:55:27 PM
I am pre-ordering my cases of popcorn now, to avoid the shortage of 2016.

Also, I saw this in TFA and I had to make the joke somewhere:

"The voice of progress for Wisconsin's LGBT community."
"Oh, you mean the cheesecocks?"

/Fark you, I get the window seat
 
2013-03-16 04:56:32 PM
They want a second president with FAS? Don't they remember what happened the last time?

www.wisconsingazette.com
 
2013-03-16 04:58:42 PM

Demetrius: Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now

[www.wisconsingazette.com image 385x292]


WTF is wrong with his head*? It looks misshapen and sort of pin-ish.

*The outside, I mean. We all know what's wrong with the inside.
 
2013-03-16 05:04:43 PM

hubiestubert: Citizens have the right to equal protection under the law, and together, those should be reason enough for the Republican party to stand for marriage equality.


Yep. Although I voted Republican in my youth, today's Republican party is not the same party I aligned with when I was younger. Today's GOP is essentially a group of people fixated on their own agenda and their agenda has nothing to do with most people of the US. The Republican agenda has to do with corporate profits.

Marriage equality has become such a hot issue today because today's Republican party has no stands.
 
2013-03-16 05:06:02 PM
I particularly liked seeing that just before $arah took the stage, they set up teleprompters for her.  After she gave Obama so much grief for using them.  She has no job, no campaign, months to prepare a single ten minute speech, in a situation where she could bring notes.

And still needed the 'prompter.

1. Christie might be veep.  Too angry to be the nominee, people don't like that.

2. Santorum?  Nominate a guy who has been out of office for a decade?  Nope.

3.  Rubio - too new for the GOP, too moderate.

4. Jindal - too short and ethnic looking

5. Nikki Haley - too new, too young (for the GOP)

6.  Rand Paul - too new, the money guys won't trust him

7.  Rick Perry - too stupid even for the GOP

No Huntsman?

Ryan is the frontrunner, with Daniels, Kasich, McDonnell, Pence in the hunt.
 
2013-03-16 05:23:20 PM
I present to you the list of every losing GOP primary candidate who won more than 4 states in a primary:

Reagan (1976)
HW Bush (1980)
Dole (1988)
McCain (2000)
Romney (2008)
Santorum (2012)

This could get good...
 
2013-03-16 05:29:14 PM

Demetrius: Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now


What is with the shape of his head? It is lopsided.
 
2013-03-16 05:37:16 PM

SilentStrider: Lionel Mandrake: Wow...Republicans really don't want to win the White House.

If they did, they'd have invited Christie. He's got some crossover appeal.


Only when sharing the stage with Obama.
 
2013-03-16 05:38:57 PM

propasaurus: hey at least your education reform isn't in court - Jindal. as it should be, my god is the voucher program badly done. if you are a small religious Christian school you love the program. a mid sized city with a normal demographic curve, you hate it.

Muslim religious schools need not apply.


yeah that kinda goes w/o saying. although here in SE LA i don't hear a lot of whining about Muslims in general. that may be because i don't get out much. :)
 
2013-03-16 05:42:00 PM

HighOnCraic: Jormungandr: If I recall right, they way the GOP does things is the one who came in second becomes the candidate next time.
So that would mean Santorum.  I hope that comes to pass. If Santorum doesn't become the candidate I will be sad.

Santorum has an advantage over any new candidate that tries to win the nomination in '16:  he managed to last through the end of the primaries last time around, so he starts off with a better ground game (just like Romney last time, and McCain in '08).  Like you, I hope that Santorum becomes the Republican nominee, and I'm very happy to see esteemed journalistical resources such as WorldNetDaily spreading Santorum's message across the intertubes.


Uh? Eww.
 
2013-03-16 05:44:57 PM

GentlemanJ: Phooey. Condi vs. Hillary, 2016.
/All signs point to yes.


What do the statisticals say?
 
2013-03-16 05:57:05 PM

MrBallou: Demetrius: Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now

[www.wisconsingazette.com image 385x292]

WTF is wrong with his head*? It looks misshapen and sort of pin-ish.

*The outside, I mean. We all know what's wrong with the inside.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-03-16 06:02:14 PM

cybrwzrd: Demetrius: Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now

What is with the shape of his head? It is lopsided.


I think that's just his hair...which he can't comb correctly because he's retarded.
 
2013-03-16 06:02:28 PM
This must be so exciting for them.
 
2013-03-16 06:17:56 PM

MrBallou: Demetrius: Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now

[www.wisconsingazette.com image 385x292]

WTF is wrong with his head*? It looks misshapen and sort of pin-ish.

*The outside, I mean. We all know what's wrong with the inside.


Fetal alcohol syndrome.  Not joking, not trying to be mean.  He's got all the telltale deformities of FAS.
 
2013-03-16 06:19:19 PM
It looks like just having the last name Paul is enough to win the CPAC Straw Poll anymore.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/16/17341131-rand-paul-win s- cpac-straw-poll-rubio-close-second?lite

This convention is such a joke.
 
2013-03-16 06:21:34 PM

Mrtraveler01: It looks like just having the last name Paul is enough to win the CPAC Straw Poll anymore.



www.theblaze.com
 
2013-03-16 06:21:59 PM
17. Ohio Senator Rob Portman
 
2013-03-16 06:25:22 PM
Scott Walker? Really? His eyes don't even point in the same direction. He's just so blatantly a drooling idiot. Republicans have historically understood that in order to get people to vote for a total shiatbag, the bag had better be pretty nice.

That's just squeezing out a fresh turd onto the face of the electorate and hoping no one notices or cares. Not the way to electoral success...
 
2013-03-16 06:25:33 PM

balloot: I present to you the list of every losing GOP primary candidate who won more than 4 states in a primary:

Reagan (1976)
HW Bush (1980)
Dole (1988)
McCain (2000)
Romney (2008)
Santorum (2012)

This could get good...


It could certainly be entertaining. I'm not sure I want to risk him actually getting the nomination though.
 
2013-03-16 06:28:19 PM
From the comments in TFA: "We're going to need a bigger clown car."

Well said, sir.
 
2013-03-16 06:29:43 PM

Infernalist: Dude just sat there and 'took' this racist crap from this guy without saying a word back to him about it.


If by "taking it" you mean acting like an adult.  He did respond to him, and if he was a good facilitator (there was not enough video to tell) he would use that exchange as a teachable moment.
 
2013-03-16 06:45:56 PM

WorldCitizen: The list reads like a circus roster. Are Republicans ever again going to become intellectually serious? Where the hell are the Eisenhowers? Well, I know where they are...pushed out of the party either into being Democrats or judged unworthy of Republican support as RINOs.


I recently read a bio of a Eisenhower (admittedly in shifts on the toilet), and I admit that I would gay-marry the man. He was someone you could admire. Now look what 'conservatives' are handing the voters.

Ike was far from perfect, particularly in Middle Eastern policy, but by today's standards he's a saint.
 
2013-03-16 07:00:49 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-16 07:08:13 PM
Ron and Rand Paul are so Libertarian they win CPAC all the time
 
2013-03-16 07:08:55 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meanwhile, Queen Sarah is still being the same old coont as always


That's amazing. She cashed in on an actual shiat-for-brains reality TV show, and she says that the Obamas star in one. At this point, she could claim that it was Obama's nitwit handling of a simple TV interview with Katie Couric that sank the McCain candidacy and those morons would cheer her.

"And what about Obama's invasion of Iraq?" Hysterical cheering.
 
2013-03-16 07:14:52 PM

Kibbler: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meanwhile, Queen Sarah is still being the same old coont as always

That's amazing. She cashed in on an actual shiat-for-brains reality TV show, and she says that the Obamas star in one. At this point, she could claim that it was Obama's nitwit handling of a simple TV interview with Katie Couric that sank the McCain candidacy and those morons would cheer her.

"And what about Obama's invasion of Iraq?" Hysterical cheering.


It's not that the Republicans are shiat-eatingly stupid that bothers me the most.  It's the hypocracy, and the total and complete lack of shame for being that farking moronic.  Being that farking stupid is something one is supposed to be embarrassed about.
 
2013-03-16 07:20:26 PM
I think CPAC's track record is so good that this is more a list of those who if you hear is the front runner, isn't gonna be the front runner

Did Mitt win last year? I thought Santorum did?

/Thank god Huntsman didn't make the cut
//who am I kidding, he's bashed the party too much to ever come back
///join the Hunt.
////Why? because one party rule isn't a good thing and he's the best shot the GOP has right now
 
2013-03-16 07:24:31 PM
Two comments:  First, was it just me or did they post the 3 most punchable faces in the history of mankind there. Second, outside of Chris Christie, who the Republicans have decided is too smart and middle-ground for them (or something) was there a single person on that list who stands a CHANCE in a general election?
 
2013-03-16 07:27:37 PM

balloot: I present to you the list of every losing GOP primary candidate who won more than 4 states in a primary:

Reagan (1976)
HW Bush (1980)
Dole (1988)
McCain (2000)
Romney (2008)
Santorum (2012)

This could get good...


That's a nice list, but those weren't the only candidates those years that won more than four states.  Huckleberry won a half dozen or so in 2008.
 
2013-03-16 07:35:21 PM
Btw, an update from CNN:

"Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky won the presidential straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Saturday. Paul won with 25% of the vote and finished slightly ahead of Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida. In third place was former senator and presidential candidate Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania."

The Republicans are fuxxored...
 
2013-03-16 07:44:14 PM
People can hem and haw all they want over who will be the 2016 front runner at this point. It is pointless fodder for cable news pundits to justify their salaries at this stage.

There is almost 4 years left for another Legitimate Rape Comment v2.0 (pops).
i.imgur.com
CPAC speculation is boring. Wake me up when they get to the fiscal benghazi cliff part.
 
2013-03-16 07:56:03 PM

born_yesterday: Kibbler: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meanwhile, Queen Sarah is still being the same old coont as always

That's amazing. She cashed in on an actual shiat-for-brains reality TV show, and she says that the Obamas star in one. At this point, she could claim that it was Obama's nitwit handling of a simple TV interview with Katie Couric that sank the McCain candidacy and those morons would cheer her.

"And what about Obama's invasion of Iraq?" Hysterical cheering.

It's not that the Republicans are shiat-eatingly stupid that bothers me the most.  It's the hypocracy, and the total and complete lack of shame for being that farking moronic.  Being that farking stupid is something one is supposed to be embarrassed about.


They hate, HATE, you for being so much smarter than they are. When the gas chambers are fired up again, look forward to your Oh-so-smart seat near the jets.

\hate.
 
2013-03-16 08:10:52 PM

GAT_00: Huckleberry


I will have to refer to him as that from this day forth.

I'm assuming it's a portmanteau of Huckabee and dingleberry.
 
2013-03-16 08:22:26 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: GAT_00: Huckleberry

I will have to refer to him as that from this day forth.

I'm assuming it's a portmanteau of Huckabee and dingleberry.


That works.  It also simply just fits to call him Huckleberry.
 
2013-03-16 08:30:10 PM

404 page not found: Mrtraveler01: It looks like just having the last name Paul is enough to win the CPAC Straw Poll anymore.


[www.theblaze.com image 240x320]


RuPaul: "Charisma Uniqueness Nerve & Talent"
GOP "Citizens United Not Timid"

RuPaul: "Don't fark it up!"
GOP: "Let's fark it up!"
 
2013-03-16 08:54:53 PM

doyner: Wisconsin leads the nation in supplying us with punchable faces.


Came here to say can't decide, face punchableness hard to quantify --need a word for that, maybe the Germans can help--

  gesichteanschlagenvergnugenheit?
 
2013-03-16 09:08:58 PM
Don't see anyone discussing really the random name on the list Carson, who ended up 7th in the straw poll. Odd to see a neurosurgeon who doesn't believe in evolution. It does suck though that he said he's going to retire from being a slicer after all these years (sure the books are hype, but the man is a gifted surgeon). Hopefully he doesn't go off the deep end to move up in the party and tries to push more back to center.
 
m00
2013-03-16 09:29:12 PM
Yeah, at this point there is no serious 2016 nominees other than Clinton and Christie.
 
2013-03-16 09:30:06 PM

TheManofPA: Don't see anyone discussing really the random name on the list Carson, who ended up 7th in the straw poll. Odd to see a neurosurgeon who doesn't believe in evolution. It does suck though that he said he's going to retire from being a slicer after all these years (sure the books are hype, but the man is a gifted surgeon). Hopefully he doesn't go off the deep end to move up in the party and tries to push more back to center.


He's the Tea Party's new black friend.
 
2013-03-16 09:38:54 PM

propasaurus: TheManofPA: Don't see anyone discussing really the random name on the list Carson, who ended up 7th in the straw poll. Odd to see a neurosurgeon who doesn't believe in evolution. It does suck though that he said he's going to retire from being a slicer after all these years (sure the books are hype, but the man is a gifted surgeon). Hopefully he doesn't go off the deep end to move up in the party and tries to push more back to center.

He's the Tea Party's new black friend.


I can't tell from his blurbs though. Is it him leaning that way (i.e. he wants to be Blacktorum) or is he saying something off the cuff (just speaking his mind about various things) and they are harping about it relates to their values? I'm not sure but I figured some farker would have more info. In any case, thought it was an interesting name to show up given his history in the field.
 
m00
2013-03-16 09:41:10 PM

TheManofPA: Odd to see a neurosurgeon who doesn't believe in evolution.


Depends on what you mean by "believe in."

I think there is room for healthy skepticism for specific mechanics of evolution, but not that evolution exists. The principle of evolution is that phenotypes in a population change over time. This cannot be disputed. But if you want to say certain kinds of simple organisms, or complex organizations in certain situations, seem to exhibit Lamarckian evolution vs Darwinian, for example with respect to epigenetics this isn't a crazy position. So for example, it would be legitimate to say "Darwinian evolution isn't really what's going on 100% of the time, in some cases there is inheritance of observable traits through some mechanism other than DNA." And you can maybe extend that to say "I think Darwin's Theory of Evolution is inaccurate," because there are a lot of poorly understood mechanisms. Now, this might grab headlines with "So-and-so doesn't believe in evolution." For example, in humans... there was some evidence that the dietary situation of grandparents (aka, they starved through a Great Depression) impact metabolic rates of grandchildren. This has been demonstrated controlling for social and dietary factors. This cannot be explained through Darwinian evolution.

Was just a general comment. I have no idea what this guy's beliefs actually are.
 
2013-03-16 09:50:35 PM

Separated at birth?

img.photobucket.comwww.open.edu

Former Secretary of State
Catriona
 
2013-03-16 09:52:50 PM
NPR news played a clip from Mrs. Palin's speech... she made a teleprompter crack. A woman who has to write "tax cuts" on her hand made a crack about the President's speaking skills about 4 years after the freshness date expired. That's what the Republicans and Conservatives bring to the table.
 
2013-03-16 09:58:04 PM
I'm going to predict Ben Carson will be the Herman Cain of 2016. At some point during the primaries, voters will get all excited about him, but then they'll have second thoughts and move on to someone else.
 
2013-03-16 10:08:31 PM

The Why Not Guy: NPR news played a clip from Mrs. Palin's speech... she made a teleprompter crack. A woman who has to write "tax cuts" on her hand made a crack about the President's speaking skills about 4 years after the freshness date expired. That's what the Republicans and Conservatives bring to the table.


Yeah, she made a TelePrompTer joke... while reading from a TelePrompTer.
 
2013-03-16 10:12:57 PM

Virtuoso80: I'm going to predict Ben Carson will be the Herman Cain of 2016. At some point during the primaries, voters will get all excited about him, but then they'll have second thoughts and move on to someone else.


He'll be long forgotten way before then.
 
2013-03-16 10:13:07 PM

propasaurus: The Why Not Guy: NPR news played a clip from Mrs. Palin's speech... she made a teleprompter crack. A woman who has to write "tax cuts" on her hand made a crack about the President's speaking skills about 4 years after the freshness date expired. That's what the Republicans and Conservatives bring to the table.

Yeah, she made a TelePrompTer joke... while reading from a TelePrompTer.


Bless her poor, dear, sweet heart...
 
2013-03-16 10:13:21 PM

Virtuoso80: I'm going to predict Ben Carson will be the Herman Cain of 2016. At some point during the primaries, voters will get all excited about him, but then they'll have second thoughts and move on to someone else.


Agreed. He's a gifted speaker in some respects as his prayer breakfast chiding of Obama proved but he's not enough of a political animal to be able to play the game to win.

Plus there's that whole "after 8 years of Obama the GOP are so not gonna nominate a black guy" thing.

Tied for 7th place in a meaningless poll with 4% of the 3,000 ballots cast aint quite gonna cut it.
 
2013-03-16 10:40:28 PM
I've come to the conclusion that CPAC actually stands for "Conservative Pep and Cheering."

Supposedly it was a place for conservatives to gather, strategize, come up with new ideas and figure out how to get their agenda ahead.

But looking at the speakers they have (or do not have,) the sheer goofiness and Fark headlines that seem to be coming out of it on an hourly basis, and the overall "let's just say lines that will get applause from the echo chamber!" feel to the whole thing, it just seems like a high-school pep rally before a football game.

It will probably have just as much effect on the contests ahead.
 
2013-03-16 10:57:50 PM
Yep, another Democrat is gonna win in 2016.
 
2013-03-16 11:06:48 PM
It was sometime around the Iowa Straw Poll that I really started to put it all together that it was going to be a shiat-show courtesy of the GOP. Yeah, the winds were blowing that way but you always want to believe than an organization that has some money behind it will pull it together.

Besides, it's Dems who fall in love and the GOP that fall in line.  Right?  Right?

And that's what the Tea Party did.  They said it was okay to fall in love.  They said it was okay to have feelings, like the one's you know are wring and inappropriate.  And some of them even said it's okay to blurt them out over the air-waves about a Georgetown co-ed, or on a Sunday morning TV show when asked about abortion in the case of rape.

Already I'm giddy about it.  I can't wait for the mid-terms to be over because the scramble to screw this up is going to be epic.  Really.  After watching CPAC today it occurred to me; they've learned nothing.  They put their hands into a boiling pot of water, spent a week in the hospital for burns and skin grafts and they're heading right back into the kitchen to do it all over again.

I've said it before and I will say it again.  This is an awesome time to be a political junkie, and even better to be a Democrat.
 
2013-03-16 11:17:16 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: MrBallou: Demetrius: Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now

[www.wisconsingazette.com image 385x292]

WTF is wrong with his head*? It looks misshapen and sort of pin-ish.

*The outside, I mean. We all know what's wrong with the inside.

Fetal alcohol syndrome.  Not joking, not trying to be mean.  He's got all the telltale deformities of FAS.


And given all that there still isn't a Democrat in the state that will beat him in 2014 so he can build his resume further.
 
2013-03-16 11:35:33 PM

sheep snorter: A picture from inside the convention hall.


i.imgur.com

Nah. It's more like

thetimetraveller.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-16 11:49:09 PM

maxheck: Supposedly it was a place for conservatives to gather, strategize, come up with new ideas and figure out how to get their agenda ahead.


The new message (of the 'stay on' variety) is that "CPAC is a youth event" for fun.

It's time for the elephant to die. When the establishment conservatives are finished cleaning the carcase those that haven't moved over already can have the Democratic party.

Then those of not gobbling up the bipartisan bullshiat can get around to a real democratic political party focused on restoring little things like civil liberties, constitutional law, peace and diplomacy as a primary strength and first resort.... hippy librul commie crap like that.
 
2013-03-16 11:58:52 PM
www.wisconsingazette.com
Didn't realize this guy was in politics, I loved him when he was on "Whose Line Is It Anyway?"

/Seriously though, he could be Stiles brother.
 
2013-03-17 12:03:23 AM

Skarekrough: I've said it before and I will say it again.  This is an awesome time to be a political junkie, and even better to be a Democrat.


It's not a good time to be someone who likes to see the government actually pass productive legislation, though.  That won't happen until the crazies and idiots left in the Republican party have been rendered completely impotent, without the executive or a majority in either house.  And thanks to gerrymandering we're probably several years away from that.
 
2013-03-17 12:06:51 AM
Santorum/Walker 2016: because we didn't lose badly enough in 2012.
 
2013-03-17 12:18:59 AM

largedon: /Seriously though, he could be Stiles brother.


Stiles' naive, unfunny, soulless, cock-punchable brother?

Yeah, I can see that.

Befuddled: Walker/Santorum 2016: because we didn't lose badly enough in 2012.


fyp
Walker didn't garble Koch balls for the last few years to sit second seat to Santorum.
 
2013-03-17 12:22:59 AM

Richard Roma: Skarekrough: I've said it before and I will say it again.  This is an awesome time to be a political junkie, and even better to be a Democrat.

It's not a good time to be someone who likes to see the government actually pass productive legislation, though.  That won't happen until the crazies and idiots left in the Republican party have been rendered completely impotent, without the executive or a majority in either house.  And thanks to gerrymandering we're probably several years away from that.


Getting to watch is the consolation prize.  That I will admit.

But in alot of terms were near fever pitch with a changing of the guard on alot of issues.  Gay Rights is largely a given among young voters.  Seeing the GOP not embrace it isn't surprising.  It will be when enough of the "decision makers" die off and they change their tune.

Will the nation suffer for the gridlock?  Yeah.  Probably.  But at the same time the conclusions were going to come to as a result of that pain is going to be very important for the next hundred years of policy.  In great part it is the laying of the foundation for the nation were going to end up becoming, whether were willing to allow the rich to co-opt the system, whether were going to find a way to compete in a global marketplace, and whether were going to strike some reasonable balance.
 
2013-03-17 01:01:07 AM
Have the 'Pubs hit maximum deck-stacking (campaign war chests, gerrymandering, etc) in the 2012 election (and still lost obviously), or is it possible there could be more?
 
2013-03-17 01:04:18 AM

Richard Roma: And thanks to gerrymandering we're probably several years away from that.


Thanks to Obamacare we're probably many years away from that.

And by that I mean these old farks that mean well but lost touch with reality long ago. Voting for whomever can convincingly enough stand before them, beside a flag and say "God bless America!". Thanks to Obamacare, they probably will live longer... extending our gridlock.

No, you're absolutely right. Though, gerrymandering creates some interesting phenomenons. If we dig into the wealth of numbers and data out there we find that while old people vote in more numbers than the young, the young in red gerrymandered districts typically vote much less than their blue district counterparts. There are many many reasons we can identify and theorize for this being so, but the end result is that their gerrymandering has turned out to be a double edged sword.

They became so good at dividing demographics up with identifiable wedge issues they didn't notice they'd painted themselves into a corner generationally... so now it's not just the rural people that are keeping them in power, more specifically it's OLD rural voters. And thus the situation they are facing now where every year that passes they are losing the numbers war.

Gerrymandering has only bought them time butapparently they feel it's enough time that they do not yet need to change their message and stances... they might be losing the numbers war but at least it's a known problem they can try to solve for. They start shifting off their old retarded ideas and they could find themselves solving an even uglier equation.
 
2013-03-17 01:05:19 AM
If the Republicans were serious about wanting a nearly 100% chance of winning (and accepting reasonable concessions), they would do the following:

1)  Tell Chris Christie he's "it", so long as he loses some weight for public image, and doesn't say anything monumentally stupid for the next 24 months.

2)  At that point, they will find the moderate Democrat that will serve as his VP candidate.  In doing so, they forge an alliance between the non-crazy GOP faction and the blue dog/moderate/fiscally conservative sides of the Democratic party.

Of course, they'll never do this, as they'll see it as a betrayal of their "principles".  They'll continue to pander to the political suicide squad they see as their base, and cling to socially conservative drivel, which they will continue to vomit with the insane impression that they can win the culture war with mental weapons forged in the 1400s.
 
2013-03-17 01:09:08 AM

Khellendros: 1) Tell Chris Christie he's "it", so long as he loses some weight for public image, and doesn't say anything monumentally stupid for the next 24 months.


Maybe they did

and Christie's response was to down a big gulp full of used fryer grease followed by a suspiciously wet sounding fart. :P

I really don't think Christie gives a fark about any of them. He knows how full of shiat and off the rails the party has gone since Bush (and they weren't snowflakes before hand either). At least for the present he's in the unique position of them needing him much more than he needs them.
 
2013-03-17 01:43:19 AM
MurphyMurphy:

maxheck: Supposedly it was a place for conservatives to gather, strategize, come up with new ideas and figure out how to get their agenda ahead.

The new message (of the 'stay on' variety) is that "CPAC is a youth event" for fun.


My bad. I forgot how plastic the message is.
"Is that a wind from the North on FoxNews?"
 
2013-03-17 02:14:56 AM
Just for shiats and giggles I wonder how far a Christie/Huntsman or Huntsman/Christie ticket would go. At least it sounds sane enough that you could agree to disagree on issues without flinging poo everywhere.
 
2013-03-17 02:19:21 AM

MurphyMurphy: Walker didn't garble Koch balls for the last few years to sit second seat to Santorum.


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m00
2013-03-17 02:35:45 AM

DigitalCoffee: Just for shiats and giggles I wonder how far a Christie/Huntsman or Huntsman/Christie ticket would go. At least it sounds sane enough that you could agree to disagree on issues without flinging poo everywhere.


In the general? it would be competitive. Dont think it would survive the primary though. Republican primary exists to churn out establishment candidates that can be controlled by the party leadership. This was made abundantly clear in 2012. RNC violated their own rules numerous times to ensure a Romney victory.

I think the RNC would rather have no Republican in the white house, if it can't have one of the rich white weirdos it so desperately wants.
 
2013-03-17 03:06:27 AM

GAT_00: Doktor_Zhivago: GAT_00: Huckleberry

I will have to refer to him as that from this day forth.

I'm assuming it's a portmanteau of Huckabee and dingleberry.

That works.  It also simply just fits to call him Huckleberry.


Calling Huckabee "Huckleberry" is an insult to Huckleberry Finn and Mark Twain. Twain would see the current GOP as the worst of Americana.
 
2013-03-17 03:37:16 AM
Rubio and Christie are the only electable ones on that list.
 
2013-03-17 04:56:02 AM

m00: TheManofPA: Odd to see a neurosurgeon who doesn't believe in evolution.

Depends on what you mean by "believe in."

I think there is room for healthy skepticism for specific mechanics of evolution, but not that evolution exists. The principle of evolution is that phenotypes in a population change over time. This cannot be disputed. But if you want to say certain kinds of simple organisms, or complex organizations in certain situations, seem to exhibit Lamarckian evolution vs Darwinian, for example with respect to epigenetics this isn't a crazy position. So for example, it would be legitimate to say "Darwinian evolution isn't really what's going on 100% of the time, in some cases there is inheritance of observable traits through some mechanism other than DNA." And you can maybe extend that to say "I think Darwin's Theory of Evolution is inaccurate," because there are a lot of poorly understood mechanisms. Now, this might grab headlines with "So-and-so doesn't believe in evolution." For example, in humans... there was some evidence that the dietary situation of grandparents (aka, they starved through a Great Depression) impact metabolic rates of grandchildren. This has been demonstrated controlling for social and dietary factors. This cannot be explained through Darwinian evolution.

Was just a general comment. I have no idea what this guy's beliefs actually are.


Actually, this is entirely explainable. After a certain point, a female fetus already has all the eggs she is going to carry for the rest of her life. The neonatal chemical stew has tremendous impact upon a developing fetus and this includes those eggs. Therefore, stresses on a materal grandmother can express themselves in her grandchildren. DNA expresses itself in response to chemical messengers, hormones. It can also be impacted by hormones and other chemicals with results that we are only beginning to understand. But we understand the process by which it happens.

Now, there's no evidence in studies of other, shorter-lived mammals that these changes are handed down to future generations. So it isn't "evolution" in a meaningful sense. It is like when they did all that work classifying immigrants from different countries by the shapes of their skulls, only to realize a couple generations later that even though an entire population had had one shape of skull, their children and grandchildren had different shapes. Environmental effects are so danged tricky to account for and people make the mistake all the time of thinking that a genetic result equals heredity. And sometimes it does not.
 
2013-03-17 05:28:35 AM

starsrift: Rubio and Christie are the only electable ones on that list.


But Rubio is the one most likely to make a poll-changing, retarded comment. I think Christie (with a fitness regimen) is the absolute smartest choice. The man can definitely be an asshole but he's certainly not stupid enough to mutter about rape, 47%, or any of the other quips we've heard from the modern GOP. He could actually engender younger or more diverse voters simply because he's not a Teabagging jerk.

Sadly, he cooperated with Obama, which makes him a heretic. Even though 2016 is a ways off, folks in the primaries don't forget that sort of thing. He's obviously a socialist.

/would not vote for him, but would not be too upset if he won
 
2013-03-17 07:12:18 AM

dickfreckle: starsrift: Rubio and Christie are the only electable ones on that list.

But Rubio is the one most likely to make a poll-changing, retarded comment. I think Christie (with a fitness regimen) is the absolute smartest choice. The man can definitely be an asshole but he's certainly not stupid enough to mutter about rape, 47%, or any of the other quips we've heard from the modern GOP. He could actually engender younger or more diverse voters simply because he's not a Teabagging jerk.

Sadly, he cooperated with Obama, which makes him a heretic. Even though 2016 is a ways off, folks in the primaries don't forget that sort of thing. He's obviously a socialist.

/would not vote for him, but would not be too upset if he won


Rubio is such a pandering hack, that he gives Romney a run for his money. Every time I see that man talk, it involves some hackneyed cliche about America.

I mean most politicians do this too but he really seems to do it more often than  most.
 
2013-03-17 09:58:34 AM

netgamer7k: Yep, another Democrat is gonna win in 2016.


Probaby, but weird shiat can still happen. Gore looked like a shoe-in due to Clinton's economy, but then Clinton got caught with his pants down.
 
2013-03-17 02:53:28 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: netgamer7k: Yep, another Democrat is gonna win in 2016.

Probaby, but weird shiat can still happen. Gore looked like a shoe-in due to Clinton's economy, but then Clinton got caught with his pants down.


It also hurt that Gore was horribly boring and Bush was the kind of guy you could get piss drunk and do cocaine with.

How about we go with a Christie-Booker 2016 alliance in some order. Maybe they alternate every other year who is in charge.
 
2013-03-17 05:24:44 PM

dickfreckle: starsrift: Rubio and Christie are the only electable ones on that list.

But Rubio is the one most likely to make a poll-changing, retarded comment.


Yeah, but we're in the age of identity politics and Rubio has a latin name. Not to mention, a bunch of conservative religious values align with that culture since it's strongly religious. And like you say, he can pander like nobody's business - ss long as he keeps it fairly smart, he is electable.

Nobody else but him and Christie on that list have a chance. Or at least, should have a chance.
 
2013-03-18 12:42:54 AM

Demetrius: Duuuuuude...I am sooooooo stoned right now

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