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2013-03-17 01:36:09 PM

PunGent: Every time someone questions the stopping power of a .22, I ask if I can shoot them in the chest with one.

No takers yet, oddly.


I'm not doubting the lethality of a .22; a well-placed shot to the head is a killer, no matter the caliber.

But when you hear news stories about cops shooting an entire magazine of either 9mm or .40 S&W into some methed-out perp, hitting them only three or four times and that can't bring them down, then I don't think .22, even with a 100 percent hit rate is going to fare any better.

On the other hand, I don't get all the .45 ACP worship either. It's a big bullet, but the idea of a one-shot "man-stopper" seems like a silly myth.
 
2013-03-17 02:20:48 PM

orbister: Call us back if you ever have a child. Or meet one.


I've got custody of two at the moment, actually, one with autism and one who is apparently normal, apart from a My Little Pony addiction.
 
2013-03-17 02:51:53 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: orbister: Call us back if you ever have a child. Or meet one.

I've got custody of two at the moment, actually, one with autism and one who is apparently normal, apart from a My Little Pony addiction.


That is completely normal for a small female child. It's when they don't let go of it after they're eight or nine that it becomes abnormal.
 
2013-03-17 03:03:38 PM

december: I actually heard someone say that her child has a "mild form of Aspergers." What the hell is that?


Just enough to make the mother feel a bit special. See also: mild dyslexia, mild dyspraxia, mild ADHD and all the other imagined ills of the middle classes.
 
2013-03-17 03:05:23 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: I've got custody of two at the moment, actually, one with autism and one who is apparently normal, apart from a My Little Pony addiction.


Do you let them in the house in cold weather or is the kennel fine all year round?
 
2013-03-17 03:41:59 PM

orbister: december: I actually heard someone say that her child has a "mild form of Aspergers." What the hell is that?

Just enough to make the mother feel a bit special. See also: mild dyslexia, mild dyspraxia, mild ADHD and all the other imagined ills of the middle classes.


As a special education teacher..I can tell you that there are indeed various severities of Apergers.
 
2013-03-17 04:08:03 PM

orbister: december: I actually heard someone say that her child has a "mild form of Aspergers." What the hell is that?

Just enough to make the mother feel a bit special. See also: mild dyslexia, mild dyspraxia, mild ADHD and all the other imagined ills of the middle classes.


This issue of degree? I don't get the controversy. You can a have little head cold, or a bastard of a head cold. You can have a sore throat/cough or you can hack up 10 cc's of green shiat every time you cough. You can have a slight ankle sprain, or one that swells your ankle up to a millemeter of being broken. Trust me, I'm not defending this woman who wrote TFA.
 
2013-03-17 04:24:16 PM

John Buck 41: orbister: december: I actually heard someone say that her child has a "mild form of Aspergers." What the hell is that?

Just enough to make the mother feel a bit special. See also: mild dyslexia, mild dyspraxia, mild ADHD and all the other imagined ills of the middle classes.

This issue of degree? I don't get the controversy. You can a have little head cold, or a bastard of a head cold. You can have a sore throat/cough or you can hack up 10 cc's of green shiat every time you cough. You can have a slight ankle sprain, or one that swells your ankle up to a millemeter of being broken. Trust me, I'm not defending this woman who wrote TFA.


The "cause" is very important, just not necessarily to the current patient so much.

The more we know about autism, or any other illness, be it mild or severe, the better.  Hence the need for classification.
This is how we find ways of dealing with different illnesses, or even preventing them altogether if at all possible.

For treatment alone, say a kid is mildly autistic.  Do you deal with him the same as someone who has behavioral issues because he was abused, or suffered trauma(mental or physical)?  No, you tailor treatment to the actual cause of the illness.

Just as you say, a cold is a cold.  Some people don't suffer much from the flu, but to others it can be very deadly if not treated.   This is why the specificity is needed.

That's what orbister(I think) doesn't quite get.
 
2013-03-17 05:08:56 PM

december: I agree with the sentiment that the people who have mild versions ruin it for the people with severe conditions. I actually heard someone say that her child has a "mild form of Aspergers." What the hell is that? That's why i think it would benefit the ASD community if the severe versions had a different name and their own spectrum, and were not lumped in with the others.


What in the world do you mean by "ruin it"?  And mild Asperger's is not only real but can be just as or even more frustrating than a case that's clear enough to be identified and worked with.  Imagine someone who was just barely red-green colorblind enough not to be able to distinguish traffic lights but not enough so that others around him had noticed the problem before he started driving.  Now everybody who rides with him or sees him on the road thinks he's a reckless maniac.

Finally, I don't think you understand what the term "spectrum" means.  The characteristics of everything from an Asperger's mild enough not to be obvious to debilitating autism occur in a reliable group and shade in severity smoothly into the quirky end of "normal".
 
2013-03-17 05:13:12 PM

orbister: december: I actually heard someone say that her child has a "mild form of Aspergers." What the hell is that?

Just enough to make the mother feel a bit special.


You were being somewhat sensible earlier, but go jump in a lake.  Part of what characterizes Asperger's is normal to high intelligence, and it's possible for individuals who genuinely, verifiably have difficulties to go through life compensating enough to get by but making obvious-enough-to-others errors that they inadvertently come across as jerks.  A little bit of skills coaching can go a long way in these circumstances, and they're not simply being obstinate.
 
2013-03-17 05:43:37 PM

MylesHeartVodak: "HAMBURGER!  FRENCH FRIES!" <knife and fork banging on the table>

"Shhhhhhh," he hissed from across the room.

"HAMBURGER!  FRENCH FRIES!" <knife and fork banging on the table>

Everyone at the table instantly froze-except, of course, for Jonah. "I'm sorry," I explained, rising from my seat and taking a few steps toward him so I wouldn't have to holler. "My son is autistic ... "

"HAMBURGER!  FRENCH FRIES!" <knife and fork banging on the table>

"Oh, sorry," he said.

"HAMBURGER!  FRENCH FRIES!" <knife and fork banging on the table>

"He's not trying to disturb you intentionally ... "

"HAMBURGER!  FRENCH FRIES!" <knife and fork banging on the table>

"I heard you the first time," he snapped.

"HAMBURGER!  FRENCH FRIES!" <knife and fork banging on the table>

My face burned as I returned to my seat, his gratuitous nastiness instantly draining the joy from my evening.

"HAMBURGER!  FRENCH FRIES!" <knife and fork banging on the table>


So you KNEW this was going to happen?   No one is upset at the kids here. It's the parents. The kid is a little ball of excitable retard, and that's fine. The parents on the other hand are selfish pricks, dragging little johny screamanshiat to restaurants. HIRE A BABYSITTER.  Come to grips with the fact that life dealt you a bad hand, and dinners out will be coming with a 20 dollar premium.
 
2013-03-17 06:28:18 PM

chrylis: Finally, I don't think you understand what the term "spectrum" means.  The characteristics of everything from an Asperger's mild enough not to be obvious to debilitating autism occur in a reliable group and shade in severity smoothly into the quirky end of "normal".


your understanding of spectrum is very unhelpful because it merges two dimensions: 1) the spectrum of severity of the relevant characteristics, and 2) the spectrum of types of  autism.

When you switch between the two dimensions it's very hard to understand what you mean.
 
2013-03-17 06:33:10 PM

omeganuepsilon: John Buck 41: orbister: december: I actually heard someone say that her child has a "mild form of Aspergers." What the hell is that?

Just enough to make the mother feel a bit special. See also: mild dyslexia, mild dyspraxia, mild ADHD and all the other imagined ills of the middle classes.

This issue of degree? I don't get the controversy. You can a have little head cold, or a bastard of a head cold. You can have a sore throat/cough or you can hack up 10 cc's of green shiat every time you cough. You can have a slight ankle sprain, or one that swells your ankle up to a millemeter of being broken. Trust me, I'm not defending this woman who wrote TFA.

The "cause" is very important, just not necessarily to the current patient so much.

The more we know about autism, or any other illness, be it mild or severe, the better.  Hence the need for classification.
This is how we find ways of dealing with different illnesses, or even preventing them altogether if at all possible.

For treatment alone, say a kid is mildly autistic.  Do you deal with him the same as someone who has behavioral issues because he was abused, or suffered trauma(mental or physical)?  No, you tailor treatment to the actual cause of the illness.

Just as you say, a cold is a cold.  Some people don't suffer much from the flu, but to others it can be very deadly if not treated.   This is why the specificity is needed.

That's what orbister(I think) doesn't quite get.


I agree with everything you said, as you did with me, but the writer of TFA is not someone I would want to encounter in R/L.
 
2013-03-17 06:56:50 PM

december: your understanding of spectrum is very unhelpful because it merges two dimensions: 1) the spectrum of severity of the relevant characteristics, and 2) the spectrum of types of autism.

When you switch between the two dimensions it's very hard to understand what you mean.


There aren't two dimensions, just the one of how pronounced the characteristics are.  There aren't multiple "types" of autism; the formerly grouped diagnoses have either been merged (Asperger's, PDD-NOS) or recognized as a different sort of thing (Rett's), following more recent understanding.
 
2013-03-17 08:11:55 PM

december: autism is such a huge tent right now that it's hard to make statements that are true for all


In addition, "real" autism (wherever along the spectrum) is often comorbid with other developmental disorders including sight, hearing, and other forms of mental disorders.

However since there is money to help care for autistic children, everybody with a child who "isn't right" wants a diagnosis of autism. As I recall Jenny McCarthy's kid ("vaccines gave my baby autism") really doesn't qualify as autistic.
 
2013-03-17 08:22:16 PM

John Buck 41: but the writer of TFA is not someone I would want to encounter in R/L.


I might, even if only to explain that some people don't care, and should not be unloaded upon after they apologize.
 
2013-03-17 09:10:17 PM
There is no such right not to be disturbed by others in public places not 'typical' because of what fate delt them.  Civility is a two way street, someone is rude when they can help their bad behavior and should be called on it.  Someone is equally rude when they are intolerant of others for being/acting disturbing when they can't help it.

Saying that, the article writer is too sensitive, the old man is obviously just a grump.  He acknowledged he shouldn't shush an autistic child and apologized.  After that point it sounded like he was just annoyed at the mother for continuing a conversation that was closed.
 
2013-03-18 02:34:50 AM

PunGent: Every time someone questions the stopping power of a .22, I ask if I can shoot them in the chest with one.

No takers yet, oddly.


I'm a huge fan of the .22... The Mk II and Mk III are some of my favorites. I've been thinking about an AR-15 chambered in .22 just for shiats and giggles.
 
2013-03-18 03:05:17 AM

UnspokenVoice: PunGent: Every time someone questions the stopping power of a .22, I ask if I can shoot them in the chest with one.

No takers yet, oddly.

I'm a huge fan of the .22... The Mk II and Mk III are some of my favorites. I've been thinking about an AR-15 chambered in .22 just for shiats and giggles.


I've been looking for an out of the box AR styled .22, but they tend to either be spendy, or pieces of crap, or both.
 Also worried about high sights(ie the typical carry handle on ar-15 / m16 + the raised front sight) unlike a contemporary hunting/country rifle's very low-profile sights.  I do a lot of plinking at various ranges, varmints and tin cans and the like.  I haven't fired an m-16 for years, but reasoning tells me that a high sight picture relative to the barrel can mess you up as much as a scope for variable ranges..
 
2013-03-18 03:29:35 AM
May I suggest the smith & wesson M&P 15-22?   The sights are military style removable, and it has a full upper rail.   It's operation is IDENTICAL to an M-4, and costs about 500 dollars.  I own one for use in training, and am very satisfied with it.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_7500 01 _750051_757786_-1_757784_757784_image
 
2013-03-18 06:38:52 AM

HairBolus: In addition, "real" autism (wherever along the spectrum) is often comorbid with other developmental disorders including sight, hearing, and other forms of mental disorders.


I'm skeptical of this; specifically, I believe it more likely than not that the sensory issues are an inherent part of the autistic package (e.g., you wouldn't call nausea and vertigo comorbid with intoxication).  I'm not aware of any other specific problems that are particularly associated with autism that aren't predictable from the cluster of characteristics; do you have any particular examples?

HairBolus: However since there is money to help care for autistic children, everybody with a child who "isn't right" wants a diagnosis of autism. As I recall Jenny McCarthy's kid ("vaccines gave my baby autism") really doesn't qualify as autistic.


I'm sure this happens to some extent; it'll be interesting to see whether the new research in neurotransmitter chemistry and fMRI studies will be able to lead to reliable lab tests and to what extent those correlate with existing diagnostic practice.  On the high-intelligence end, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that ASDs are still significantly underdiagnosed.

I hadn't heard that particular tidbit about McCarthy, and it didn't show up on Wiki.  Do you have a link about it?
 
2013-03-18 09:55:33 AM

hundreddollarman: PunGent: Every time someone questions the stopping power of a .22, I ask if I can shoot them in the chest with one.

No takers yet, oddly.

I'm not doubting the lethality of a .22; a well-placed shot to the head is a killer, no matter the caliber.

But when you hear news stories about cops shooting an entire magazine of either 9mm or .40 S&W into some methed-out perp, hitting them only three or four times and that can't bring them down, then I don't think .22, even with a 100 percent hit rate is going to fare any better.

On the other hand, I don't get all the .45 ACP worship either. It's a big bullet, but the idea of a one-shot "man-stopper" seems like a silly myth.


Yep.  The best gun is one you have at hand, and are actually capable of hitting something with.
 
2013-03-18 10:00:07 AM

UnspokenVoice: PunGent: Every time someone questions the stopping power of a .22, I ask if I can shoot them in the chest with one.

No takers yet, oddly.

I'm a huge fan of the .22... The Mk II and Mk III are some of my favorites. I've been thinking about an AR-15 chambered in .22 just for shiats and giggles.


Huh.

Seems like you're asking for the hassle of an "omfgASSAULTRIFLE" without the...oomph.

WOULD be fun for varmints, etc, of course.

/way overdue for some range time myself
 
2013-03-18 01:21:32 PM

ciberido: kimmygibblershomework: Folks can marry their houseplant but bog forbid if I want to find my wife's ring in the grass with a metal detector.  A pet peeve of mine is all of the local idiots that bought some regentrified WW2 shoebox and park their car on the street.  Ya have that whole driveway and can't save all of the other users of the road the hassle of avoiding your car because you can't take an extra 15 seconds to back out of your driveway.  As my dad used to say, "the fleas come with the dog". I also appreciate the general 'tude of if I want to enjoy the one day I have off with the woman I love and buy her food and I am irked by someone's behavior, that I am some sort of caveperson.  Just get em a tshirt.  If their own behavior doesn't bother them at all, then why would a tshirt that explains their condition to the public?  We all want to know how special lil Suzy pink panties is also, so as not to offend thee.  Any dog under 25 pounds is not a service dog.  Just get a furby and feed them with your smartphone.  Also get the ADA tattooed on your forehead so we don't have to listen to the "You are NOT ALLOWED to ask me that question!" horseshiat in every airport, eatery, busline, sitcom, fruitbats, orangutans, and sitch.

Are you.... are you having a stroke?  Do you need me to call emergency services?


No. I have autism.  Leave my child alone!  Then re-watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail.  You will shiat yourself.
 
2013-03-18 07:12:37 PM

Gyrfalcon: Vector R: BumpInTheNight: Earlier this year, I was out to dinner with a friend and our combined eight kids.

Two adults vs 8 eights and some of them with special needs.  Unless its chucky cheese, you are assholes.  No, no arguments, you are assholes.

I was a little on the fence until I saw that part. Can you imagine that crowd at the movies? C'mon now, they cant possibly wait until Saw 5000 has a "special kid showing," or HEAVEN FORBID they wait until it comes out on DVD?

Why is ANYONE taking their kids to some of the movies out lately ffs? The number of small children I saw recently when we went to "Django Unchained" was appalling. Very small children, like, under ten. Do your kids really have to see that many buckets of blood before they reach their teens?


Pretty much. Get ready for some ACTION if you dare to ask them why they have little kids attended a hard R movie. "I DO WHUT I WANTS!!!! FREE COUNTRY!!!!!!"

I just don't to the movies much anymore, and chiefly because of loud, obnoxious patrons.
 
2013-03-18 08:22:19 PM
This thread is amazing. Right now there are 429 comments and over half (234) have been voted as smartest.

Truly Fark  is a land of high intellects.
 
2013-03-18 08:36:42 PM

HairBolus: This thread is amazing. Right now there are 429 comments and over half (234) have been voted as smartest.

Truly Fark  is a land of high intellects.


and mine is the smartest!  I am so smart, S-M-R-T!
 
2013-03-18 10:43:49 PM

HairBolus: This thread is amazing. Right now there are 429 comments and over half (234) have been voted as smartest.

Truly Fark  is a land of high intellects.


Or easily impressed imbeciles....
 
2013-03-19 06:38:31 AM

HairBolus: This thread is amazing. Right now there are 429 comments and over half (234) have been voted as smartest.

Truly Fark  is a land of high intellects.


My buttons say "smart" and "funny," not "smartEST" or "funnIEST."
 
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