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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   How well are the wealthy doing? Luxury hotels are springing up in mega malls to give them a place to stay while they go on shopping sprees   (startribune.com) divider line 52
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2013-03-16 09:45:44 AM
i need a place to sleep while i decide whether to buy Eiffel 65's Europop or Cake's Fashion Nugget
 
2013-03-16 09:50:59 AM
I like hotels with amenities within walking distance.  This place would be nice.
 
2013-03-16 12:18:33 PM
I doubt wealthy people go to shopping malls, much less stay at Radisson hotels.
 
2013-03-16 01:43:33 PM
When I want that, it's called a nice hotel in a city.  Much better food and stuff than malls usually.  Oh and entertainment.  Don't forget parks and museums.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-16 02:07:02 PM
Well, they have to do something since they can't afford to create jobs what with Obama taxing them and all.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-16 02:08:13 PM

hb0mb: I doubt wealthy people go to shopping malls, much less stay at Radisson hotels.


They have to put their personal shoppers and other staff up somewhere.
 
2013-03-16 02:51:45 PM
Now I'm thinking of the song "Skyway" by the Replacements.
 
2013-03-16 02:59:03 PM
In the case of the Mall of America, that  actually already happens. I was there a couple years back and learned that there are actually foreign tourists who fly to the United States, MSP is right across from the Mall, they fly in, drive to the Mall, spend the day there and then immediately fly back home. That actually counts as an entire American vacation for some people.
 
2013-03-16 03:00:48 PM
You mean a place for our servants to stay while on long shopping trips, peasant.  Now if you'll excuse me I've 26 gyms to buy or something.
 
2013-03-16 03:09:06 PM
So... just like the Kissimmee - St.Cloud, Orlando/Disney relationship.

/haters gotta hate
 
2013-03-16 03:14:59 PM
Those are the personal shoppers for the rich, not the rich themselves.

/They will be eaten and they will call we who do the eating zombies.
 
2013-03-16 03:53:36 PM

hb0mb: I doubt wealthy people go to shopping malls, much less stay at Radisson hotels.


Its a Radisson Blu hotel.  Which is the upscale version of the Radisson hotel brand.

/which are mostly in Europe and Asia
//believe this is only the second one in the US
///worked for the parent company for a while
 
2013-03-16 04:04:19 PM

monty666: Now I'm thinking of the song "Skyway" by the Replacements.


And that got me singing "You ain't nothing but a waitress in the sky."
 
2013-03-16 04:34:09 PM
They need a break from all that job creating!
 
2013-03-16 05:23:35 PM

Gosling: In the case of the Mall of America, that  actually already happens. I was there a couple years back and learned that there are actually foreign tourists who fly to the United States, MSP is right across from the Mall, they fly in, drive to the Mall, spend the day there and then immediately fly back home. That actually counts as an entire American vacation for some people.


Clothes in particular are generally pretty cheap in the States compared to a lot of places in the world.  I have a friend who flies to New York City (not the cheapest place for buying one's rags) once or twice a year - she leaves with two empty suitcases and comes back with two full ones.  Even after the cost of the plane ticket and a hotel room for a few days, she comes out ahead.  If there are a lot of international flights out of MSP it would seem perfectly reasonable that this is the market they're trying to capture.
 
2013-03-16 05:43:00 PM
Ah, finally found something to do with all those empty department store rooms have we?
 
2013-03-16 06:11:00 PM

Robo Beat: If there are a lot of international flights out of MSP it would seem perfectly reasonable that this is the market they're trying to capture.



There's no sales tax on clothing in Minnesota either.  People from those states that do have one, believe they're getting a deal, in addition to getting out of Dodge for a couple of days.

I've heard the figure that at any given time, nearly half the people in the MOA are from out of state.  This sort of makes sense, since locals tend to go to malls nearer their homes (the Twin Cities has about 8 full scale malls).

Japanese tourists come into town by the 747 full.  The wives shop for 3 or 4 days and the hubbys go golfing.  You can play a great course around Minneapolis for less than 80 bucks (with a cart) and apparently that's practically free compared to what they're used to.

The bulk of the tourists though are 20 / 30 something women from Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Winnepeg and Chicago, out for a shopping spree with their girlfriends.

I personally love the Mall of America.  I work there as a contractor frequently and that place has made its share of my mortgage payments over the years.
 
2013-03-16 06:26:46 PM
About the same rate of every other fleabag room across the country
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2013-03-16 06:34:40 PM

Gosling: In the case of the Mall of America, that  actually already happens. I was there a couple years back and learned that there are actually foreign tourists who fly to the United States, MSP is right across from the Mall, they fly in, drive to the Mall, spend the day there and then immediately fly back home. That actually counts as an entire American vacation for some people.


woodbury commons outlet mall is a very popular tourist day trip from NYC. even during the week, lines form in front of the Coach store.

joke is on them, prices are not great. some stores don't offer any discount despite being outlets, Converse for example.
 
2013-03-16 07:05:27 PM
It is not just the wealthy who are renting those rooms. I am sure that hotel fills up people from all over who are living on plastic who just want to believe they are wealthy because they stayed in hotel in a mall.
 
2013-03-16 07:09:37 PM
The Houston Galleria has had hotels for decades
 
2013-03-16 07:12:46 PM

no icon tact: About the same rate of every other fleabag room across the country
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Hey, those aren't any old bath amenities, those are.....Name Brand ones! I assume!

Also, $1100 in coupons: You'd be a fool not to stay there! Free money! Basically!
 
2013-03-16 07:24:40 PM

TomD9938: The bulk of the tourists though are 20 / 30 something women from Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Winnepeg and Chicago, out for a shopping spree with their girlfriends.


My main purpose in town was to come in from Wisconsin to see a Twins game the next day at shiny new Target Field (they beat the Tigers 10-4). I went in there looking for, among other things, Metropolitan Stadium home plate. Takes a bit away from the whole Koufax/Killebrew mystique when standing there means you're staring right at the Rugrats bumper cars.
 
2013-03-16 07:53:11 PM

Gosling: I went in there looking for... Metropolitan Stadium home plate. Takes a bit away from the whole Koufax/Killebrew mystique when standing there means you're staring right at the Rugrats bumper cars.


Only a little though.
 
2013-03-16 07:58:01 PM

dumbobruni: joke is on them, prices are not great. some stores don't offer any discount despite being outlets, Converse for example.


The way I view it, unless you're looking at the mishmash clearance racks, expect the outlet mall stuff to be about the same as a mid-level department store brand.  I guess it's nice if you really really like a particular brand over others but I don't see the appeal in making a special trip there.

/only goes when it's really close to a location I'm going to for other reasons
//and not afraid to leave emptyhanded
 
2013-03-16 08:10:27 PM
I want a subway inside the hotel.
Or a steakhouse, if I am on per deim for work.
 
2013-03-16 08:16:45 PM
swotti.starmedia.com

Go back to the mall that spawned you.

/Now literal.
 
2013-03-16 08:57:43 PM
Hell with that, there are condos at the Natick Mall outside Boston.

\not very profitable ones, mind you
\\and really, who the fark would want to be stuck in the traffic jam that is the Golden Triangle to get home in November & December??
 
2013-03-16 09:10:53 PM

Gosling: In the case of the Mall of America, that  actually already happens. I was there a couple years back and learned that there are actually foreign tourists who fly to the United States, MSP is right across from the Mall, they fly in, drive to the Mall, spend the day there and then immediately fly back home. That actually counts as an entire American vacation for some people.


Who is going to rent a car to drive a whole mile to a mall when they can just take a 5 minute train ride?

/and whenever I had to deal with visitors from out of town - they always want to hit the stupid thing - especially those from Asia
 
2013-03-16 09:13:48 PM

Robo Beat: If there are a lot of international flights out of MSP it would seem perfectly reasonable that this is the market they're trying to capture.


Daily direct flights to Europe and Asia.
 
2013-03-16 09:23:43 PM

12349876: dumbobruni: joke is on them, prices are not great. some stores don't offer any discount despite being outlets, Converse for example.

The way I view it, unless you're looking at the mishmash clearance racks, expect the outlet mall stuff to be about the same as a mid-level department store brand.  I guess it's nice if you really really like a particular brand over others but I don't see the appeal in making a special trip there.

/only goes when it's really close to a location I'm going to for other reasons
//and not afraid to leave emptyhanded


the factory stores had good deals. Theory, John Varvatos, and Levis especially...for a European looking for Levis, outlets are worth the trip ($18 a pair at the outlet, at least 80 euros a pair back home)
 
2013-03-16 09:29:56 PM

dumbobruni: Gosling: In the case of the Mall of America, that  actually already happens. I was there a couple years back and learned that there are actually foreign tourists who fly to the United States, MSP is right across from the Mall, they fly in, drive to the Mall, spend the day there and then immediately fly back home. That actually counts as an entire American vacation for some people.

woodbury commons outlet mall is a very popular tourist day trip from NYC. even during the week, lines form in front of the Coach store.

joke is on them, prices are not great. some stores don't offer any discount despite being outlets, Converse for example.


I've loved my Cons since the 80's. I'm so sad that they've been bought out by Nike and their price has consequently tripled.
 
2013-03-16 10:15:22 PM

dumbobruni: 12349876: dumbobruni: joke is on them, prices are not great. some stores don't offer any discount despite being outlets, Converse for example.

The way I view it, unless you're looking at the mishmash clearance racks, expect the outlet mall stuff to be about the same as a mid-level department store brand.  I guess it's nice if you really really like a particular brand over others but I don't see the appeal in making a special trip there.

/only goes when it's really close to a location I'm going to for other reasons
//and not afraid to leave emptyhanded

the factory stores had good deals. Theory, John Varvatos, and Levis especially...for a European looking for Levis, outlets are worth the trip ($18 a pair at the outlet, at least 80 euros a pair back home)


The key words being FOR A EUROPEAN

At the department store that's a 20 minute walk away from my place, the jeans that AREN'T on sale are around 2 for 90 bucks, some brands are on sale as low as 20 bucks.
 
2013-03-16 11:00:59 PM
Hell, without the wealthy, I'd be jobless.

Anybody else here in this boat?
 
2013-03-16 11:11:30 PM

emonk: Hell, without the wealthy, I'd be jobless.

Anybody else here in this boat?


the product I help make can only be bought by the .00001% so I'm very thankful for the wealthy prople and the companies they own.  Supporting them helps make life fun for me, my wife and daughter.
 
2013-03-17 12:09:34 AM
Job Creators need some rest while doing their creating. Even got took the seventh day off
 
2013-03-17 12:17:11 AM

hb0mb: I doubt wealthy people go to shopping malls, much less stay at Radisson hotels.


http://www.onecentral.com.mo/en/shopping/overview.asp
 
2013-03-17 12:27:09 AM
http://www.alternet.org/our-future-going-be-keeping-rich-people-happy - servant-economy

Is Our Future Going to Be Keeping Rich People Happy in a Servant Economy?
 
2013-03-17 12:35:08 AM

bindlestiff2600: http://www.alternet.org/our-future-going-be-keeping-rich-people-happy - servant-economy

Is Our Future Going to Be Keeping Rich People Happy in a Servant Economy?


I like serving the rich.  I like charging them way too much to design their houses.  It is a side job so it's not often I get to do it.  But when I do, I charge far more than the next moonlighter.

How?  I'm just that farking good at it.  Never did like the marketing bit so I never went full time
 
2013-03-17 12:43:26 AM
These people realize the weaponry from the days of the reign of terror has been upgraded a bit, yes?
 
Xai
2013-03-17 05:52:17 AM
is it bad I find this very affordable?
 
2013-03-17 08:36:13 AM
Malls are still a thing? In my part of the country, they appear to be slowly dying out...

/ I blame Amazon
// apart from getting my Cinnebon fix, there's little reason for me to set foot in one...
 
2013-03-17 09:10:38 AM

FriarReb98: Hell with that, there are condos at the Natick Mall outside Boston.

\not very profitable ones, mind you
\\and really, who the fark would want to be stuck in the traffic jam that is the Golden Triangle to get home in November & December??


Best part of the Natick Mall condos?  They were built right about when the housing market went completely tits-up.  The condos originally listed for about $750,000 and up, and les than 5% were sold for two years after the grand opening.  There were also reports of the management company failing miserably at doing basic maintenance, like toilets being broken for weeks.  Fast forward, and the developer went Chapter 11, putting a whole boatload of units on the market for auction, where they sold for roughly 1/3 the original list.

In other words, here's all these stupid rich assholes that paid full price to LIVE AT THE MALL, because it was exclusive luxury, and along come these plebes who are able to pick up the same units for about the price of a mid-sized house in the actual town of Natick.  Needless to say, they were a little pissed and have filed a lawsuit to try and recoup their losses.

The schadenfreude is just plain delicious.
 
2013-03-17 09:32:54 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: i need a place to sleep while i decide whether to buy Eiffel 65's Europop or Cake's Fashion Nugget


I recommemnd Fasion Nugget.
 
2013-03-17 10:32:27 AM
Given how empty malls are getting around here (DC) besides the super high end ones at Tyson's Corner and Pentagon City, might actually be a good idea to use space given the chronic lack of hotel rooms.

/never go to the mall unless I need new clothes
//rarely need new clothes
 
2013-03-17 12:19:36 PM
There's a nice outdoor mall near the casinos in Shreveport.  Marriott built a reasonable hotel in the mall, but it probably gets a lot of casino visitors too.  Last anniversary, we dumped our kid on my parents and stayed at that hotel.  I always stay up later than my wife so after she went to bed I just walked to the nearest bar in the mall and stumbled back to the room later.  Worked for me.
 
2013-03-17 04:23:24 PM
Pff, Kansas City has had a luxury hotel attached to a mall for forever.
 
2013-03-17 04:27:02 PM
Well, "luxury" for Kansas City.
 
2013-03-17 05:29:44 PM

mc_hfcs: Well, "luxury" for Kansas City.


So, the toilets are indoors, then.
 
2013-03-17 06:29:41 PM

beta_plus: Given how empty malls are getting around here (DC) besides the super high end ones at Tyson's Corner and Pentagon City, might actually be a good idea to use space given the chronic lack of hotel rooms.

/never go to the mall unless I need new clothes
//rarely need new clothes


Pentagon City is "super high end"?
 
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