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2013-03-16 07:31:34 AM
Well, that's unexpected.
 
2013-03-16 09:57:55 AM
I can see that photo being co-opted by the GOP in their next anti-LGBT broadside.
 
2013-03-16 10:20:14 AM
I liked that Cuba drove lots of vintage cars from the 1950's.

To me it kept driving home how US carmakers used to make things that would last, and with proper care and a good mechanic a car could last for decades, a lifetime maybe. . .instead of falling to crap after a couple hundred thousand miles.
 
2013-03-16 10:23:32 AM
I was expecting a picture of Shamu smoking a cigar.
 
2013-03-16 10:23:33 AM
There's a SeaWorld in Cuba now!?
 
2013-03-16 10:26:51 AM
That is exactly what I thought a transsexual Cuban would look like.
 
2013-03-16 10:26:58 AM
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2013-03-16 10:31:11 AM
Meh. The main reason that Cuba is so backwards is that America has strangled their economy for fifty years, and mainly because J.Edgar Hoover had a hate-on for the Castro regime for cutting down his supply of well-hung young Latino men. No more romance time in Havana, Hoover-boy.
 
2013-03-16 10:35:19 AM
I know his movie roles have fallen off in the past few years, but I never thought it would lead to cross-dressing.
 
2013-03-16 10:41:51 AM

Silverstaff: I liked that Cuba drove lots of vintage cars from the 1950's.

To me it kept driving home how US carmakers used to make things that would last, and with proper care and a good mechanic a car could last for decades, a lifetime maybe. . .instead of falling to crap after a couple hundred thousand miles.


That's partly to do with encouraging Americans to buy a new car every five years.
 
2013-03-16 10:52:14 AM
See World?
Marine Land and Game Farm?
 
2013-03-16 10:56:21 AM
Wow. Horse and buggies. See what happens when you end up on the wrong side of America?
 
2013-03-16 11:04:00 AM

Silverstaff: I liked that Cuba drove lots of vintage cars from the 1950's.

To me it kept driving home how US carmakers used to make things that would last, and with proper care and a good mechanic a car could last for decades, a lifetime maybe. . .instead of falling to crap after a couple hundred thousand miles.


It does not attest to quality but it attests to supply, they have none, so they have had to jury rig those old beasts to keep them running, manufacturer parts for them, spit and duct tape hold them together.

It used to be that when an american car got into 40-50k on the odometer it was time to look for a new one because they would literally fall apart, and this was up until the mid 1980s.  It was not proper care, it was sloppy work and planned obsolescence.

Then the japs really got on board with inexepensive cars that were well made, and needed little upkeep that American car makers actually started making quality cars again in the mid 90s until now.

While older cars might be easier to fix, they are far less reliable than cars of today.
 
2013-03-16 11:06:56 AM
FTA: "So far, she has persuaded the authorities to install running water at the local clinic, which used buckets  for six years; secured some lights for the main street; and got the ration store to order extra milk for children."
Rock on, girl.

Now compare this to that transgender city manager in Florida who got fired specifically because she was trans even though by all accounts 'he' (formerly) had been doing a fine job.

And Americans keep saying that Cuba is stuck in the past? They may have their problems in other areas, but they're clearly a step ahead in at least one respect.
 
2013-03-16 11:10:00 AM

sudo give me more cowbell: FTA: "So far, she has persuaded the authorities to install running water at the local clinic, which used buckets  for six years; secured some lights for the main street; and got the ration store to order extra milk for children."
Rock on, girl.

Now compare this to that transgender city manager in Florida who got fired specifically because she was trans even though by all accounts 'he' (formerly) had been doing a fine job.

And Americans keep saying that Cuba is stuck in the past? They may have their problems in other areas, but they're clearly a step ahead in at least one respect.


One of the safest latin american countries I have been to, they are too weak from hunger to steal.
 
2013-03-16 11:22:04 AM
As a kid I was taught how evil Cuba was.  They did have a hardon for the US agreed but once Kreshchiev took a powder and took his generals with him things seemed to change - except for the boat lift thing-

OK they've been assholes for a long time

I do think we traded shots though trying to kill Fidel and Bay of Pigs and all that so perhaps all in all we're even?
well the armageddon thing was sort of over the top but it worked out okay.
Jesus it's a complicated relationship aint it?

Can Cuba and the US have a do-over?  Should be friendly but it's just not workin' out.  The rest of the Americas are on such good terms with the US (cue wild laughter)
 
2013-03-16 11:26:15 AM
Was it man to woman, or woman to man....hard to tell from pic.
 
2013-03-16 11:29:11 AM
Cuba also has a disturbing history of forcing non-transgendered gay males to undergo sex reassignment.

Wonder if that practice went out with Fidel too?
 
2013-03-16 11:30:40 AM
Which hole in the dirt does she shart into?
 
2013-03-16 12:17:34 PM
There is nothing wrong with the Cuban people.
 
2013-03-16 12:18:33 PM
Funny how the US is the  only country that does not trade with Cuba and yet the Castros blame  all their economic problems on it.

Once again the sooner the Castros and their ilk die the better off the people of Cuba will be.
 
2013-03-16 12:19:56 PM

theflatline: Silverstaff: I liked that Cuba drove lots of vintage cars from the 1950's.

To me it kept driving home how US carmakers used to make things that would last, and with proper care and a good mechanic a car could last for decades, a lifetime maybe. . .instead of falling to crap after a couple hundred thousand miles.

It does not attest to quality but it attests to supply, they have none, so they have had to jury rig those old beasts to keep them running, manufacturer parts for them, spit and duct tape hold them together.

It used to be that when an american car got into 40-50k on the odometer it was time to look for a new one because they would literally fall apart, and this was up until the mid 1980s.  It was not proper care, it was sloppy work and planned obsolescence.

Then the japs really got on board with inexepensive cars that were well made, and needed little upkeep that American car makers actually started making quality cars again in the mid 90s until now.

While older cars might be easier to fix, they are far less reliable than cars of today.


I'm a gearhead, who spent some time in Cuba, mostly in and around Havanna (beautiful city !), but also out in the coutryside.

Here's what I noticed: Very, very few of the older US cars in Cuba are original. Most use a large percentage of adapted parts from Soviet trucks, including engines and transmissions.

The image of Cubans driving around in 1950s US cars is misleading. Yes, there are a a relatively large number of them in and around  the main tourist areas where they can be a source of revenue for their owners, many tourists being willing to pay for a ride in one of them. The truth, though, is that the traffic in Cuba is mostly made up of an eclectic mix of '70s and '80s eastern block cars (mostly Soviet Lada and Moskvitch) and brand new European (Fiat and Peugeot mostly), Korean, and Chinese cars. There are also lots of motorcycles many with a sidecar attached.  Those with a sidecar are mostly recent Czech Jawas, with a small number of tired old Russian Urals. Those without are usually new small-displacement Chinese bikes.  One of my favourite scenes was an older gentleman on his old East-German MZ sans sidecar.

For a Quebecer, the strangest thing is the large number of our old 1980s school buses, with all their markings still intact,  ferrying tourists around. There is also a goodly number of our old tractor-trailers, complete with "centre du camion Gamache" (French for Gamache truck center, Gamache being a common Quebecois surname), mud flaps.

Other cars I've seen in Cuba: A Pontiac Sunfire, several recent Lincolns (used by hotels), a couple of new Audis, a 1960s Skoda.
 
2013-03-16 12:31:29 PM

hardinparamedic: Cuba also has a disturbing history of forcing non-transgendered gay males to undergo sex reassignment.

Wonder if that practice went out with Fidel too?


Um - no. That might have happened in ....Iran, I think.
 
2013-03-16 12:35:45 PM

douchebag/hater: Funny how the US is the  only country that does not trade with Cuba and yet the Castros blame  all their economic problems on it...


You have a point. While in Cuba I had a long conversation over cold beers with a government employee who kept going on about how the US embargo was hurting and oppressing her people. Eventually, I asked her if she really believed that lifting the US embargo would really change much for her country, considering that, as you pointed out, Cuba already trades with the whole world. She admitted that it probably wouldn't.

Mind you, if the embargo was lifted, it's possible that an influx of US tourist money would give the Cuban economy a boost.

Then again, it's just as possible that it would lead to a reduction in tourism from the rest of the world...
 
2013-03-16 12:50:06 PM

edmo: I can see that photo being co-opted by the GOP in their next anti-LGBT broadside.


It could be used by the GOP for anti-LGBT and anti-Latino.  It's a perfect toofer!
 
2013-03-16 12:50:36 PM
Explains why I keep getting this banner ad wherever I go:

img.turn.com

/ ¡ Es un hombre, baby!
 
2013-03-16 12:51:13 PM

MikeSass: They have TG cars in Cuba?
Help us out here, Subby.  You just the whole English.


I think he's was trying to make a "transmission" joke, since sometimes people call transmissions "trannies."  The concept was ok, but the execution was terrible.
 
2013-03-16 12:54:59 PM

Silverstaff: I liked that Cuba drove lots of vintage cars from the 1950's.

To me it kept driving home how US carmakers used to make things that would last, and with proper care and a good mechanic a car could last for decades, a lifetime maybe. . .instead of falling to crap after a couple hundred thousand miles.


Actually, quality was WAY worse back in those days.  The only reason those old Cuban cars are still running is that their mechanics make herculean efforts to keep them operational, and they've probably replaced almost every moving part at least once.  Just like with any old car, at some point it's cheaper to get a new one than to keep fixing up an old one...except in Cuba they don't have accesss to new cars, so their only option is to keep the old ones on the road.

It's like looking at old USAF B-52s.  Sure it's impressive that those old planes are still flying, but they've replaced all the parts multiple times by now.
 
2013-03-16 01:07:53 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Silverstaff: I liked that Cuba drove lots of vintage cars from the 1950's.

To me it kept driving home how US carmakers used to make things that would last, and with proper care and a good mechanic a car could last for decades, a lifetime maybe. . .instead of falling to crap after a couple hundred thousand miles.

Actually, quality was WAY worse back in those days.  The only reason those old Cuban cars are still running is that their mechanics make herculean efforts to keep them operational, and they've probably replaced almost every moving part at least once.  Just like with any old car, at some point it's cheaper to get a new one than to keep fixing up an old one...except in Cuba they don't have accesss to new cars, so their only option is to keep the old ones on the road.

It's like looking at old USAF B-52s.  Sure it's impressive that those old planes are still flying, but they've replaced all the parts multiple times by now.


As per my previous post, Cubans have access to lots of new cars, just not US-made ones.  You're right, the overwhelming majority of those old US cars are not original. Engines, transmissions, wheels, brakes, sometimes even the frame, have been replaced with equivalent components from Soviet trucks.  Not even the original bakelite steering wheels survive. What you are left with is a US-made shell filled with Soviet bits.
 
2013-03-16 01:09:36 PM
Bless her little heart.
 
2013-03-16 01:12:13 PM
Does this mean I need a new hard drive? (look at article). Not likely.
 
2013-03-16 01:13:21 PM

brilett: hardinparamedic: Cuba also has a disturbing history of forcing non-transgendered gay males to undergo sex reassignment.

Wonder if that practice went out with Fidel too?

Um - no. That might have happened in ....Iran, I think.


Uh, no. Up until 10 years ago, many gay Cubans were forced to undergo aversion therapy, and "effeminate" gay makes were being forced to undergo SRT therapy.

Despite the fact that they were not transsexual or transgendered.

Fidel had a fear of the ghei.

/on a cell phone or I'd post links.
//Gay rights in Cuba is a good starting point on google.
 
2013-03-16 01:33:17 PM

Silverstaff: To me it kept driving home how US carmakers used to make things that would last, and with proper care and a good mechanic a car could last for decades, a lifetime maybe. . .instead of falling to crap after a couple hundred thousand miles.


It helps if you live in a non-winter climate where there's no salt on the roads, so the cars don't turn into rust buckets after five years.  The expression "California car" exists for a reason.
 
2013-03-16 02:10:33 PM
"Castro and the other leading revolutionaries considered homosexuality a devious product of capitalism, which had to be rooted out entirely from society. " -  http://www.coha.org/from-persecution-to-acceptance-history-of-lgbt-in - cuba/

This seems to be a common theme with commie governments. They do not like homos.
 
2013-03-16 02:15:31 PM

JeffDenver: "Castro and the other leading revolutionaries considered homosexuality a devious product of capitalism, which had to be rooted out entirely from society. " -  http://www.coha.org/from-persecution-to-acceptance-history-of-lgbt-in - cuba/

This seems to be a common theme with commie governments. They do not like homos.


And homosexuals are generally the best tippers(no joke there, but it is funny) and spend tons of money on vacations.

Usually macho repressed gay man are the worst haters of homos.  Maybe that is why Heminway loved it there.

While on the coast of Colombia it is ok to bang a donkey, but if you want to poke another man in the ass, you get shot or macheted up.
 
2013-03-16 02:19:41 PM

douchebag/hater: Funny how the US is the  only country that does not trade with Cuba and yet the Castros blame  all their economic problems on it.

Once again the sooner the Castros and their ilk die the better off the people of Cuba will be.


To be fair US also uses it's weather machine to prevent foreign ship and planes from reaching Cuba
 
2013-03-16 02:19:54 PM

douchebag/hater: Funny how the US is the  only country that does not trade with Cuba and yet the Castros blame  all their economic problems on it.

Once again the sooner the Castros and their ilk die the better off the people of Cuba will be.


They have a thriving organic export business. Look up Cuba and organic farms. It is big business over there.

http://www.globalexchange.org/news/cuba-enters-market-organic-produc ts
 
2013-03-16 03:25:32 PM
Worst tranny evar.
 
2013-03-16 07:55:05 PM

JeffDenver: "Castro and the other leading revolutionaries considered homosexuality a devious product of capitalism, which had to be rooted out entirely from society. " -  http://www.coha.org/from-persecution-to-acceptance-history-of-lgbt-in - cuba/

This seems to be a common theme with commie governments. They do not like homos.


It generally goes hand-in-hand with the whole control-freak on every aspect of citizen life/total repression theme they generally have going. But Cuba's actually not that bad in comparison to other parts of the Caribbean in regards to LGBT issues.

Child sex tourism, on the other hand...
 
2013-03-17 01:31:28 AM

capt.hollister: douchebag/hater: Funny how the US is the  only country that does not trade with Cuba and yet the Castros blame  all their economic problems on it...

You have a point. While in Cuba I had a long conversation over cold beers with a government employee who kept going on about how the US embargo was hurting and oppressing her people. Eventually, I asked her if she really believed that lifting the US embargo would really change much for her country, considering that, as you pointed out, Cuba already trades with the whole world. She admitted that it probably wouldn't.

Mind you, if the embargo was lifted, it's possible that an influx of US tourist money would give the Cuban economy a boost.

Then again, it's just as possible that it would lead to a reduction in tourism from the rest of the world...


Before the revolution the amount of yankui dollars flowing into Cuba in the form investment and tourism was substantial. If not for that whole revoution/Castro thing, Cuba would likely have become a U.S. commwealth like Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.

So yes being within spitting distance of the world's largest economy and getting none of that action is hurting Cuba.

/FYI, once the restriction inevitably does come down, it'll be like the Spanish/Aztecs all over again. But instead it'll be U.S. developers robbing the poor of their land for pennies on the dollar.
 
2013-03-18 09:45:16 AM

geekbikerskum: It helps if you live in a non-winter climate where there's no salt on the roads, so the cars don't turn into rust buckets after five years. The expression "California car" exists for a reason.


Y'know, I always thought a "California car" had to do with the emissions packages that the state of California required in the 60s, since they were always at the front of the pack when tightening up pollution controls. So you could get the regular car that didn't have the smog crap on it, or the "California car" that did - and was usually less powerful/fuel efficient because of it. In other words, the California car that ended up on the lot in some other state was usually the crappiest one on the lot.
 
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