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2013-03-16 08:43:18 AM
Are these banned too?

newpaigespective.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-16 08:47:02 AM
Why would anyone volunteer to live in one of these douchenozzle controlled neighborhoods?
 
2013-03-16 08:50:12 AM
It is all fun and games until a precious snowflake gets injured and its parents lawyer up.

Thursday's letter from the Boca Quay HOA that says safety and liability concerns prompted the board to ban most things with wheels in roadways, walkways, or common grounds.

Blame the scumsuckingmaggotlawyers-always
 
2013-03-16 08:51:26 AM
Doesn't surprise me. HOA officers are typically a bunch of Dianne Feinsteins on acid.
 
2013-03-16 08:58:59 AM
FTFA:  We tried to get answers from several members of the HOA. One drove away, saying, "It's not about the kids."

For once, its not about the children.  And the speaker is STILL a douche.
 
2013-03-16 09:00:05 AM
"There is no comment. Don't you understand?" said Roberta Caruso, the HOA president.
Her husband, Fred, explained the side of the HOA and the management company, Trident.
"What do we have to do, wait for a kid to get run over? That's what is going to happen. Cars go through here very fast," said Caruso.


If only there was something the HOA president could do about that.
 
2013-03-16 09:01:49 AM

squibbits: Doesn't surprise me. HOA officers are typically a bunch of Dianne Feinsteins on acid.


Um, rather the opposite. HOAs are privatized government, where majority rules and minority opinion is accorded zero rights. They are the folks who back "small government" so they are free to ban anyone they don't like from their space and declare that "public spaces" are subject exclusively to private control.
 
2013-03-16 09:06:05 AM

OrcusFelinus: Why would anyone volunteer to live in one of these douchenozzle controlled neighborhoods?


Because not everyone is wealthy enough to live on a plot of land large enough to effectively isolate them from their neighbors.  Give me a house with an acre or two of land between the nearest neighbor and I wouldn't want an HOA.  But if I'm stuck in a cookie-cutter house, townhouse or apartment; as much as it I dislike restrictions imposed on what *I* can do, I'm willing to accept the HOA terms because they limit what my *neighbors* can do.

HOAs are just a smaller implementation of cities.  Most cities have rules about where kids can play, how loud you can be, what vehicles you can drive on the road, what you can build, what permits you need to build something, how you can build it, what pets you can have, what type of lawn you can have, etc, etc...but people, collectively, want those laws.  Most people agree on common behavior and want to enforce compliance for everyone.

I live in a cheap apartment (relatively speaking) in a crappy part of town.  I'm an 'end unit' which means I share a wall with the outside and immediately outside is paved.  In this neighborhood, my wall (well, my landlord's wall) is the closest thing to a basketball court the kids have.  They will happily throw a basketball against the wall of my bedroom.  The construction is such that it is unbelievably loud (much louder inside than out).

Now, I'd never allow my children to do that.  It's disrespectful, damaging to the building, and they have absolutely no claim of ownership.  But the neighbors (yes, I spoke to their parents because I'm a d-bag) don't see it that way.  They don't care.  They are happy to let their kids outside in the morning and let them do whatever it is they are going to do.  'Kids will be kids'.  I'm not saying they are *wrong* and I'm *right* - but we have different expectations of acceptable behavior (although, realistically, if it were them being woken up, they'd probably change their tune, but regardless).  An HOA gives individuals more direct control over the definition of acceptable.

It's not a bad thing it all.  But yeah, it can be applied poorly.
 
2013-03-16 09:11:37 AM
I've always wondered...Why do people hate skateboarders so much?  I was slower than a bike and took up less space.  Why the hate?
 
2013-03-16 09:16:15 AM
Homeowner president says "Cars go through here very fast".
Their efforts seem misdirected.
Also, it would seem that they have opened the door to liability the next time a speeding car injures anyone, including the occupants of the speeding car.
 
2013-03-16 09:20:20 AM
Boca Quay

HOA

To children's fun

They say "no way"

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2013-03-16 09:21:05 AM

BolloxReader: squibbits: Doesn't surprise me. HOA officers are typically a bunch of Dianne Feinsteins on acid.

Um, rather the opposite. HOAs are privatized government, where majority rules and minority opinion is accorded zero rights. They are the folks who back "small government" so they are free to ban anyone they don't like from their space and declare that "public spaces" are subject exclusively to private control.


The ones I have met all reminded me of her, hence the reason why I moved out of an HOA neighborhood. Good riddance to the neighborhood ninny-nanny-nazis.
 
2013-03-16 09:30:28 AM

chrisco123: I've always wondered...Why do people hate skateboarders so much?  I was slower than a bike and took up less space.  Why the hate?


Because idiots think that skateboarding is a gateway to crime and drugs.
 
2013-03-16 09:37:08 AM
If it teaches children to despise HOAs and to never want to live in one, good.

/There are far more insidious things that demolished your property's value then little johnny's basket ball net next door
 
2013-03-16 09:38:18 AM

squibbits: chrisco123: I've always wondered...Why do people hate skateboarders so much?  I was slower than a bike and took up less space.  Why the hate?

Because idiots think that skateboarding is a gateway to crime and drugs.


Because you represent a freedeom... a freedome they shall never have.
 
2013-03-16 09:38:59 AM
I know there's no e on freedom.  It's just going to be one of those days.
 
2013-03-16 09:44:41 AM
First they came for the skateboarders....
 
2013-03-16 09:47:42 AM

santadog: squibbits: chrisco123: I've always wondered...Why do people hate skateboarders so much?  I was slower than a bike and took up less space.  Why the hate?

Because idiots think that skateboarding is a gateway to crime and drugs.

Because you represent a freedeom... a freedome they shall never have.



Because instead of looking like this:

fashionscute.com


You really look like this:

www.tokyofaces.com
 
2013-03-16 09:49:34 AM
This is nothing that a little arson and chains on the door can't fix.  You want to be a nazi?  We'll burn you out.
 
2013-03-16 09:51:21 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: OrcusFelinus: Why would anyone volunteer to live in one of these douchenozzle controlled neighborhoods?

Because not everyone is wealthy enough to live on a plot of land large enough to effectively isolate them from their neighbors.  Give me a house with an acre or two of land between the nearest neighbor and I wouldn't want an HOA.  But if I'm stuck in a cookie-cutter house, townhouse or apartment; as much as it I dislike restrictions imposed on what *I* can do, I'm willing to accept the HOA terms because they limit what my *neighbors* can do.

HOAs are just a smaller implementation of cities.  Most cities have rules about where kids can play, how loud you can be, what vehicles you can drive on the road, what you can build, what permits you need to build something, how you can build it, what pets you can have, what type of lawn you can have, etc, etc...but people, collectively, want those laws.  Most people agree on common behavior and want to enforce compliance for everyone.

I live in a cheap apartment (relatively speaking) in a crappy part of town.  I'm an 'end unit' which means I share a wall with the outside and immediately outside is paved.  In this neighborhood, my wall (well, my landlord's wall) is the closest thing to a basketball court the kids have.  They will happily throw a basketball against the wall of my bedroom.  The construction is such that it is unbelievably loud (much louder inside than out).

Now, I'd never allow my children to do that.  It's disrespectful, damaging to the building, and they have absolutely no claim of ownership.  But the neighbors (yes, I spoke to their parents because I'm a d-bag) don't see it that way.  They don't care.  They are happy to let their kids outside in the morning and let them do whatever it is they are going to do.  'Kids will be kids'.  I'm not saying they are *wrong* and I'm *right* - but we have different expectations of acceptable behavior (although, realistically, if it were them being woken up, they'd pro ...


My biggest issue with HOAs is the lack of a proper formal process and openness. Here we have laws and even covenants written into the deeds of houses by developers (I'm not allowed to have anyone stay in a mobile home in my drive or fit anything buy wood window frames for example) but enforcement is done by the local council. Those councils are big enough that they are not a Boss Hog type throwing his personal authority around, they are a large, formal, official department. As such they have rules, openness, set procedures, appeal procedures and accountability.

With HOAs you can easily get some asshat on a power trip and not only will it be personal, because he lives in the same street, but he can make stuff up as he goes along, have votes in meetings you weren't told about and interpret the rules the way he wants to.

It's that that makes me far far rather deal with a large impersonal council department. It won't be an asshole neighbour with a personal vendetta and there will be a proper process that will follow the law.

HOAs are virtually unknown here yet strangely we're not surrounded with people with cars on bricks and overgrown lawns. There are the odd few but no one really cares. I have a tree on the edge of my property that overhangs a public footpath. In twenty years living here I once got a letter from the council asking me to cut the overhang. No threats, plenty of time to comply, a contact name to speak to if I had any questions and so on. I had the tree trimmed and that was it. Who needs a HOA?
 
2013-03-16 09:58:16 AM
That hypocrite smokes two packs a day!!!
 
2013-03-16 10:02:01 AM

chrisco123: I've always wondered...Why do people hate skateboarders so much?  I was slower than a bike and took up less space.  Why the hate?


Like any group, the few asshats are the loudest and make the rest look bad.
 
2013-03-16 10:06:22 AM

Flint Ironstag: HOAs are virtually unknown here yet strangely we're not surrounded with people with cars on bricks and overgrown lawns. There are the odd few but no one really cares. I have a tree on the edge of my property that overhangs a public footpath. In twenty years living here I once got a letter from the council asking me to cut the overhang. No threats, plenty of time to comply, a contact name to speak to if I had any questions and so on. I had the tree trimmed and that was it. Who needs a HOA?


THIS.
 
2013-03-16 10:11:34 AM
Because they don't want to hear screaming kids and the clickity clack of skateboards on sidewalks.
The little shiats in my neighborhood play street football and street hockey even though there is a park one block away and a school playground two blocks away.  No you cannot play hockey with your goal in front of my car you little dildo.  Put the goal in front of your mom's minivan.  You are 12.  You should know better.

I would also ban weekend lawn mowing and any use of leaf blowers.  Why are you washing your car at 11pm?  Do you really need to use a leaf blower to dry your car?  Do you need a front lawn? There is a park with lots of grass one block away.  What a nice Saturday.  Let's have a BBQ.  What?  I can't here you over 2 lawn mowers, 1 leaf blower, Islamic prayer music, and explicit rap music.  "Face down, ass up,  that's the way, I like to fark."
 
2013-03-16 10:27:41 AM
Having lived in Boca Raton for almost 20 years, this is not only completely unsurprising due to the prevalence of inordinately powerful HOAs, but the city itself is full of douchenozzles, too. There aren't any places for kids for play on purpose. Boca doesn't want anything that might encourage children or teenagers to congregate. Take it somewhere else. It is a predominantly upscale area filled with old, Jewish white people. They hate pretty much everyone.
 
2013-03-16 10:37:03 AM

Vegetative reproduction: Because they don't want to hear screaming kids and the clickity clack of skateboards on sidewalks.
The little shiats in my neighborhood play street football and street hockey even though there is a park one block away and a school playground two blocks away.  No you cannot play hockey with your goal in front of my car you little dildo.  Put the goal in front of your mom's minivan.  You are 12.  You should know better.

I would also ban weekend lawn mowing and any use of leaf blowers.  Why are you washing your car at 11pm?  Do you really need to use a leaf blower to dry your car?  Do you need a front lawn? There is a park with lots of grass one block away.  What a nice Saturday.  Let's have a BBQ.  What?  I can't here you over 2 lawn mowers, 1 leaf blower, Islamic prayer music, and explicit rap music.  "Face down, ass up,  that's the way, I like to fark."


I was in a shiatty neighborhood like that once.

But fark you.  I am going to play death metal, dry my motorcycle with a leaf blower, and grill dead animals on my, MY, front lawn all I want.  On a weekday, at 3pm.

11 pm.  That's barbaric. BARBARIC!!
 
2013-03-16 10:38:50 AM
Doesn't quay rhyme with key?
 
2013-03-16 10:39:25 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: OrcusFelinus: Why would anyone volunteer to live in one of these douchenozzle controlled neighborhoods?

Because not everyone is wealthy enough to live on a plot of land large enough to effectively isolate them from their neighbors.  Give me a house with an acre or two of land between the nearest neighbor and I wouldn't want an HOA.  But if I'm stuck in a cookie-cutter house, townhouse or apartment; as much as it I dislike restrictions imposed on what *I* can do, I'm willing to accept the HOA terms because they limit what my *neighbors* can do.

HOAs are just a smaller implementation of cities.  Most cities have rules about where kids can play, how loud you can be, what vehicles you can drive on the road, what you can build, what permits you need to build something, how you can build it, what pets you can have, what type of lawn you can have, etc, etc...but people, collectively, want those laws.  Most people agree on common behavior and want to enforce compliance for everyone.

I live in a cheap apartment (relatively speaking) in a crappy part of town.  I'm an 'end unit' which means I share a wall with the outside and immediately outside is paved.  In this neighborhood, my wall (well, my landlord's wall) is the closest thing to a basketball court the kids have.  They will happily throw a basketball against the wall of my bedroom.  The construction is such that it is unbelievably loud (much louder inside than out).

Now, I'd never allow my children to do that.  It's disrespectful, damaging to the building, and they have absolutely no claim of ownership.  But the neighbors (yes, I spoke to their parents because I'm a d-bag) don't see it that way.  They don't care.  They are happy to let their kids outside in the morning and let them do whatever it is they are going to do.  'Kids will be kids'.  I'm not saying they are *wrong* and I'm *right* - but we have different expectations of acceptable behavior (although, realistically, if it were them being woken up, they'd probably change their tune, but regardless).  An HOA gives individuals more direct control over the definition of acceptable.

It's not a bad thing it all.  But yeah, it can be applied poorly.


My condolences on your sad, unfulfilling life but HOAs are not the answer. You should try booze or drugs instead.
 
2013-03-16 10:43:22 AM

NutWrench: "There is no comment. Don't you understand?" said Roberta Caruso, the HOA president.
Her husband, Fred, explained the side of the HOA and the management company, Trident.
"What do we have to do, wait for a kid to get run over? That's what is going to happen. Cars go through here very fast," said Caruso.

If only there was something the HOA president could do about that.


He's lowering the speed limit to 5 mph.  So everyone will  be late to work, get fired, and fall behind on their association dues.  Then the  HOA can foreclose on all the homes and resell them. Also, the HOA installs private speed cams and earns ticket revenue.

You just don't understand how make a profit.
 
2013-03-16 10:50:53 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Vegetative reproduction: Because they don't want to hear screaming kids and the clickity clack of skateboards on sidewalks.
The little shiats in my neighborhood play street football and street hockey even though there is a park one block away and a school playground two blocks away.  No you cannot play hockey with your goal in front of my car you little dildo.  Put the goal in front of your mom's minivan.  You are 12.  You should know better.

I would also ban weekend lawn mowing and any use of leaf blowers.  Why are you washing your car at 11pm?  Do you really need to use a leaf blower to dry your car?  Do you need a front lawn? There is a park with lots of grass one block away.  What a nice Saturday.  Let's have a BBQ.  What?  I can't here you over 2 lawn mowers, 1 leaf blower, Islamic prayer music, and explicit rap music.  "Face down, ass up,  that's the way, I like to fark."

I was in a shiatty neighborhood like that once.

But fark you.  I am going to play death metal, dry my motorcycle with a leaf blower, and grill dead animals on my, MY, front lawn all I want.  On a weekday, at 3pm.

11 pm.  That's barbaric. BARBARIC!!


Hope my "fark you" didn't come across the wrong way. I'd be pissed just as much as you if I was in your place.  That really sucks.

Yeah, I brought my son out to eat.  Yeah, he tosses food and shiat on the floor. The waitress gives me a look.  Then I ask for extra napkins, and after a good tip I clean that shiat up.  Nothing grinds my gears more than stupid parents letting their kids do stupid things to annoy other people.  I was there once. And while my boy is my everything, I realize he's just a little shiat to a lot of people.  Won't let him infringe at all, but hell, if you give a kid a reuben sandwich, it's gonna be a mess.  I clean it up.

Basketballs on your wall?  Christ man...that really sucks!

I almost...almost, in a near blacked out stupor went out into my apartment complex...I wanted to post a sign that said "You don't want your farking kids reading cock pussy coont bullshiat signs like this just as much as I don't want mine to JUST as much as I don't want to step in your dog's feces. Feces also means shiat, poop.  Pick up your dog's shiat. Thanks"

I didn't because they'd know who I was because I'm the only one that lets my little boy run around this place.

I need my own house. goddammitsomuch.
 
2013-03-16 10:52:46 AM

chrisco123: I've always wondered...Why do people hate skateboarders so much?  I was slower than a bike and took up less space.  Why the hate?


It's the unpredictability of skaters. They show up where they're not expected and that freaks people out.

I was going to pick up my kid at elementary school when a 5th grader zoomed around a corner and collided with me.  If I'd been a first-grader, I'd have been knocked flat.  It felt like my appendix had been ruptured.  I didn't freak out on the lad, just walked him to the principal's office and let them have a little talk.
 
2013-03-16 10:53:35 AM

Flint Ironstag: It's that that makes me far far rather deal with a large impersonal council department. It won't be an asshole neighbour with a personal vendetta and there will be a proper process that will follow the law.

HOAs are virtually unknown here yet strangely we're not surrounded with people with cars on bricks and overgrown lawns. There are the odd few but no one really cares. I have a tree on the edge of my property that overhangs a public footpath. In twenty years living here I once got a letter from the council asking me to cut the overhang. No threats, plenty of time to comply, a contact name to speak to if I had any questions and so on. I had the tree trimmed and that was it. Who needs a HOA?


Not you, obviously.  I don't mean that disrespectfully, but that's true of any sort of rules or regulations.  If everyone drives safely there isn't need for a posted speed limit.  If nobody breaks the law, nobody needs police.  If nobody steals, we don't even need laws against stealing.

When you live in an area where the people around you are 'reasonable' (for what you personally consider reasonable) there is no need for an HOA, or local laws.  Most of things come into being IN RESPONSE to someone being unreasonable (for what the community considers unreasonable).  You got a letter about a tree, then you had it trimmed.  Perfect.  The problem is when the next guy gets a letter and says, 'Not my problem'.  Or when a new neighbor moves in and stops cutting his lawn and decides to ignore any letters from the council about it.  Personally, my issues are all with noise - I don't care how long your grass is, I'm happy enough to let mine grow as tall as wild grass can grow.  But most people disagree.  So when someone like me moves into next to you - I'm a jerk - and I'm not going to cut my grass unless there are actual consequences to not cutting it.  If you feel cutting the grass is reasonable, then I'm an unreasonable person.  Short of you cutting it for me or paying me a lot of money, I'm not going to do it.

Then you'd need an HOA or a city ordinance.

Most cities have laws governing what animals you can own.  That seems awfully ridiculous - until you are living next to someone who has a chicken coup.  Then what do you do?  Move?  Sure, if you've got a lot of money and time - but what's to say your next neighbor won't also take up chicken collecting after you move in?  Nothing, unless there is an ordinance or HOA.
 
2013-03-16 11:17:45 AM
Here is how HOAs get started:

Developers:  "We want to build 1000 homes here."
City:  "Nah, it would cost us too much to police and maintain."
Developers:  "We'll do that, and charge the residents."
City:  "OK, as long as we still collect property taxes."
Developers: "Now that we've sold the homes, let's turn the responsibilities &  power over to residents."
 
2013-03-16 11:28:53 AM

chrisco123: I've always wondered...Why do people hate skateboarders so much?  I was slower than a bike and took up less space.  Why the hate?


When I lived in an apartment years ago, the front steps of my building were the only set of steps that had "two sections."  That is, from the sidewalk, there were two steps up, then some more sidewalk, then two more steps, then the sidewalk to the stairs to the second floor (none of the other buildings had that - only two steps up from the sidewalk.

There were a few kids not even from the apartment buildings thinking they were going to the next Tony Hawk (and failing miserably).   First off, they were trespassing.  Second, residents cars were parked at the bottom of the steps - so if a car is damaged, who is going to pay for it?  The kids' parents?   Unlikely.  Third, they never wore any knee pads, elbow pads or a helmet, so if they smashed their head into the sidewalk, who is going to get sued?

They would arrive after the apartment manager would leave for the day.  So, yea, I did tell them to get off my lawn.
 
2013-03-16 11:36:51 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Vegetative reproduction: Because they don't want to hear screaming kids and the clickity clack of skateboards on sidewalks.
The little shiats in my neighborhood play street football and street hockey even though there is a park one block away and a school playground two blocks away.  No you cannot play hockey with your goal in front of my car you little dildo.  Put the goal in front of your mom's minivan.  You are 12.  You should know better.

I would also ban weekend lawn mowing and any use of leaf blowers.  Why are you washing your car at 11pm?  Do you really need to use a leaf blower to dry your car?  Do you need a front lawn? There is a park with lots of grass one block away.  What a nice Saturday.  Let's have a BBQ.  What?  I can't here you over 2 lawn mowers, 1 leaf blower, Islamic prayer music, and explicit rap music.  "Face down, ass up,  that's the way, I like to fark."

I was in a shiatty neighborhood like that once.

But fark you.  I am going to play death metal, dry my motorcycle with a leaf blower, and grill dead animals on my, MY, front lawn all I want.  On a weekday, at 3pm.

11 pm.  That's barbaric. BARBARIC!!

Hope my "fark you" didn't come across the wrong way. I'd be pissed just as much as you if I was in your place.  That really sucks.

Yeah, I brought my son out to eat.  Yeah, he tosses food and shiat on the floor. The waitress gives me a look.  Then I ask for extra napkins, and after a good tip I clean that shiat up.  Nothing grinds my gears more than stupid parents letting their kids do stupid things to annoy other people.  I was there once. And while my boy is my everything, I realize he's just a little shiat to a lot of people.  Won't let him infringe at all, but hell, if you give a kid a reuben sandwich, it's gonna be a mess.  I clean it up.

Basketballs on your wall?  Christ man...that really sucks!

I almost...almost, in a near blacked out stupor went out into my apartment complex...I wanted to post a sign that said ...


No worries.  We are planning on moving soon.  Most of the neighbors were nice when we bought our house, but half were foreclosed by the end of 2011 and have been replaced by new renters every few months.
 
2013-03-16 11:48:11 AM
First they decided to not build the park. Then they shut down the community center. Only a matter of time now until the kids chain everyone into the school auditorium.
 
2013-03-16 11:51:39 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Flint Ironstag: It's that that makes me far far rather deal with a large impersonal council department. It won't be an asshole neighbour with a personal vendetta and there will be a proper process that will follow the law.

HOAs are virtually unknown here yet strangely we're not surrounded with people with cars on bricks and overgrown lawns. There are the odd few but no one really cares. I have a tree on the edge of my property that overhangs a public footpath. In twenty years living here I once got a letter from the council asking me to cut the overhang. No threats, plenty of time to comply, a contact name to speak to if I had any questions and so on. I had the tree trimmed and that was it. Who needs a HOA?

Not you, obviously.  I don't mean that disrespectfully, but that's true of any sort of rules or regulations.  If everyone drives safely there isn't need for a posted speed limit.  If nobody breaks the law, nobody needs police.  If nobody steals, we don't even need laws against stealing.

When you live in an area where the people around you are 'reasonable' (for what you personally consider reasonable) there is no need for an HOA, or local laws.  Most of things come into being IN RESPONSE to someone being unreasonable (for what the community considers unreasonable).  You got a letter about a tree, then you had it trimmed.  Perfect.  The problem is when the next guy gets a letter and says, 'Not my problem'.  Or when a new neighbor moves in and stops cutting his lawn and decides to ignore any letters from the council about it.  Personally, my issues are all with noise - I don't care how long your grass is, I'm happy enough to let mine grow as tall as wild grass can grow.  But most people disagree.  So when someone like me moves into next to you - I'm a jerk - and I'm not going to cut my grass unless there are actual consequences to not cutting it.  If you feel cutting the grass is reasonable, then I'm an unreasonable person.  Short of you cutting it for me or payi ...


My point was that the council do enforce the rules and can and do take action against people who ignore them, up to and including prosecution.

But if I am prosecuted in court I will know my rights and the rules and will get a fair trial and if not there is a proper appeal process. That is far better than a local HOA asshat on a power trip being my judge and jury and his word being final.

The bottom line is as I said we do not have HOAs yet the vast majority of people do not cause a problem.

Example streetview.


Have a look. No HOA there. How many cars on bricks can you see? How many overgrown gardens? The city takes care of the common areas and the roads. Of course there will be exceptions, and there are areas that are bad, but no one needs a HOA to live in a nice house. You'll see from the make and model of the cars that this is not a super high end development but a fairly average and reasonably affordable area. As affordable as any housing in the UK is anyway.
 
2013-03-16 11:55:12 AM

OrcusFelinus: Why would anyone volunteer to live in one of these douchenozzle controlled neighborhoods?


In many places finding a new construction without a HOA is becoming like finding a telecom without a mandatory arbitration clause, i.e. good luck with that.
 
2013-03-16 12:00:39 PM
"They wanted to play when they were kids, didn't they? So why can't we play? I was so upset," said Blanka Dobias, 9.


Apparently this kid's parents played a lot of Street Fighter when they were kids.


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2013-03-16 12:05:13 PM
Kids should start playing the screaming game. Whoever screams the loudest wins
 
2013-03-16 12:07:57 PM
Vegetative reproduction:

 Why are you washing your car at 11pm?

To get the skateboarders' blood off of it.

Do you really need to use a leaf blower to dry your car?

I do if I want to get all the little bits of skater out of the grill.
 
2013-03-16 01:53:47 PM
If Fred were to suddenly become a widower, he wouldn't be the only person to become suddenly HAPPY.
 
2013-03-16 02:46:15 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Here is how HOAs get started:

Developers:  "We want to build 1000 homes here."
City:  "Nah, it would cost us too much to police and maintain."
Developers:  "We'll do that, and charge the residents."
City:  "OK, as long as we still collect property taxes."
Developers: "Now that we've sold the homes, let's turn the responsibilities &  power over to residents."


Nah.  The Supreme court ruled that convents prohibiting selling houses to Mexicans, Jews, and Blacks were unenforceable. So HMO's were created which had the power to block people from selling their homes to Mexicans, Jews, and Black.  About ten years later the Supreme Court ruled that illegal as well.  By that time though developers realized that HOA were a great way to jack homeowners via petty graft and corruption.
 
2013-03-16 03:10:15 PM
What's the point of getting rid of the nanny state if it is just replaced with the nanny corporation? It just shows that public or private it doesn't matter- there are people in both spheres who get a taste of power and want to smother ordinary folk with petty arbitrary rules that destroy our quality of life.
 
2013-03-16 05:21:14 PM

gibbon1: BarkingUnicorn: Here is how HOAs get started:

Developers:  "We want to build 1000 homes here."
City:  "Nah, it would cost us too much to police and maintain."
Developers:  "We'll do that, and charge the residents."
City:  "OK, as long as we still collect property taxes."
Developers: "Now that we've sold the homes, let's turn the responsibilities &  power over to residents."

Nah.  The Supreme court ruled that convents prohibiting selling houses to Mexicans, Jews, and Blacks were unenforceable. So HMO's were created which had the power to block people from selling their homes to Mexicans, Jews, and Black.  About ten years later the Supreme Court ruled that illegal as well.  By that time though developers realized that HOA were a great way to jack homeowners via petty graft and corruption.


OK.  But I said "get started," not "got started."  Today, it's about the money, and the money works as I've described.
 
2013-03-16 08:06:42 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm willing to accept the HOA terms because they limit what my *neighbors* can do.


If you can't convince either your neighbor to comply with your wishes, or your town to outlaw whatever they're doing that bothers you, it's probably something that shouldn't be banned and you should just learn to deal with. It might legitimately annoy you. It might be something your neighbor, as a fellow human being, shouldn't subject you to. But using an HOA to bypass the limits we intentionally placed on government, and giving so much power to people with such petty concerns is not a good plan.

I'm not saying there are no legitimate uses for an HOA (though I'd argue most of cases could be equally well served by an independent corporation that owns common property and/or the normal procedures of government), but addressing petty grievances through some formal, external rule making system -- a system that uses the threat of losing your home for enforcement -- is not the path to civil neighborly relations.
 
2013-03-16 11:18:48 PM
When I submitted this I knew there would be at least one sadsack defending the HOA, haha.
 
2013-03-16 11:51:55 PM
The letter also explains that the speed limit is being lowered to 5 MPH.

WTF?  How are they going to enforce that?   My car doesn't even register under 10.  And, it idles at just a tick above that.  There's no way I would ride my brakes through that neighborhood just because some Napoleon with a power trip thinks he owns the place.  Do many radar guns work accurately at that speed?  Most people I know walk faster than that.  5 MPH is just about right for a drive-by of some sort, though.

Yeah, I know, if, if, if...
 
2013-03-17 12:59:48 AM
I got lucky, my HOA charges $90 a year for mowing and flowers for the long entryway to the neighborhood and upkeep of the dam on our 30 acre private pond that has some good bass fishing.  My brother lives 2 miles away and pays $120 a month for nothing more than snow plowing, can only paint his house certain colors, and cannot park his trailered boat in his driveway without getting fined daily.   Both houses are of the same value and I have a wooded 1 acre lot where he has no trees between his neighbors.
 
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