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(Guardian)   Aston Villa take on QPR in a relegation critical match whilst MUFC will win at a canter against Reading and Everton seek to regain momentum against Man City - it's your weekend EPL thread   (guardian.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-03-16 08:02:16 AM  
Your FFPL report for Round 29


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A moderately positive week for most players on a very limited group of just six fixtures. For MOST players.

At the top, a last minute winner for the Toon changed a -30 to a +90, helping me increase my lead over Obamartins slightly - he used the banker/insurance approach on that game as well - showing a disturbing lack of faith. For the record, a +90 feels even better when it is your team.

At the bottom, 30/30 scored a healthy +65, reversing a terrible recent run with two perfects and just two wrong. Possibly that was auto-generated as he didn't use the banker or the insurance chips?

After me as top scorer we have ADubs86 with +95 and nathanjr on +75. Adubs joined me in having a sweet, sweet +90 for Toon-Stoke but nathanjr was crippled by a -30 on Norwich Vs Southampton.

On the slide this week we have Chattanooga_FC and lost_limey with -50, demonstrating that you can do yourself a lot of damage, even with only a short blade. TottenhamLukewarmspur on -30 and I have nae sympathy 'cos he went for a Stoke win.

Mitchcumstein1 drops onto Page 2 thanks to backing Swansea, replaced on Page 1 by DesertMoloch who collected an above average 65 this week - possibly automatically?

StRalphtheLiar keeps the Presidency of the Banker Bonus club, retaining his +20 again - impressive work and measurable chutzpah to put it on WBA beating Swans. The ONLY result he got right this round. His reign may end soon, as one spot below Adubs86 is within spitting distance and outranking him Cognitive_Displaysia, Martissimo and Team Toon are all on 15s with MUFC at home to Reading.

Here is how FFPL is looking in the global context of all 76,000 players.

Our median is between The_Envoy and Norfolkingchance at #32,488, meaning FFPL is doing better than a random cross section of global players. It is very early as I type this, but I think that is the 43rd percentile? It should be noted that we started a week late - a handicap - but we've also pruned some dead players which the global league won't have done. Our last uncensored player - 30/30 is ahead of more than 25,000 players. She Who Must Not Be Teased on -10 total is still ahead of 1000 players.

In the League of Leagues, FFPL is in 86th position. Can anyone infer [or read] how our score is calculated collectively? Is it just a sum of player scores?

See:  http://predictor.talksport.co.uk/minileagues/league-of-leagues.htm?id = 17006 - membership required.

At the top I'm in 694th - just inside the top 1%. Obamartins in the Top 6%. Global leader is on 2525 to my 1980. Spur's supporting Lady called Tracey. I'm 24th of all Toon fans. Kcostell - any AFC Wimbledon fans beating you?

9 games to go!
 
2013-03-16 08:02:44 AM  
DAMN it was hard to make picks this week. I'll be crying into my beer this time tomorrow night, I think
 
2013-03-16 08:05:24 AM  
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Global thoughts on Everton Vs MCFC

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2013-03-16 08:09:58 AM  

midpoint: Global thoughts on Everton Vs MCFC

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Wow, only 6% calling for an Everton win. No doubt Everton's struggling, but Man City hasn't been THAT dominant against them, especially at Goodison Park.
 
2013-03-16 08:10:51 AM  
I have Cognitive_Displaysia down as holding the record for highest score in a round with a huge 225 back in round 5. Any advance on 225?
 
2013-03-16 08:12:06 AM  

Langston: midpoint: Global thoughts on Everton Vs MCFC

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Wow, only 6% calling for an Everton win. No doubt Everton's struggling, but Man City hasn't been THAT dominant against them, especially at Goodison Park.


I have my banker on a MCFC win.
 
2013-03-16 08:13:20 AM  
Meanwhile, Dr Who has a new enemy:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21810265
 
2013-03-16 08:14:21 AM  

Langston: midpoint: Global thoughts on Everton Vs MCFC

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Wow, only 6% calling for an Everton win. No doubt Everton's struggling, but Man City hasn't been THAT dominant against them, especially at Goodison Park.


1-0 home win not in 8 most common predictions. Coo!
 
2013-03-16 08:19:56 AM  

midpoint: Langston: midpoint: Global thoughts on Everton Vs MCFC

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Wow, only 6% calling for an Everton win. No doubt Everton's struggling, but Man City hasn't been THAT dominant against them, especially at Goodison Park.

1-0 home win not in 8 most common predictions. Coo!


Everton's tired. You could tell last week against Wigan. Don't have too much faith that they can get it done against City, who need the points worse than the Blues do.
 
2013-03-16 08:20:18 AM  

midpoint: Langston: midpoint: Global thoughts on Everton Vs MCFC

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Wow, only 6% calling for an Everton win. No doubt Everton's struggling, but Man City hasn't been THAT dominant against them, especially at Goodison Park.

I have my banker on a MCFC win.


I put it on Man U as i think Reading are much worse than Everton and Utd are better than City. If you are only going for the x2 better make it a sure thing.

Plus insuring your banker is for girly men who exfoliate and moisturise.
 
2013-03-16 08:21:43 AM  

Norfolking Chance: midpoint: Langston: midpoint: Global thoughts on Everton Vs MCFC

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Wow, only 6% calling for an Everton win. No doubt Everton's struggling, but Man City hasn't been THAT dominant against them, especially at Goodison Park.

I have my banker on a MCFC win.

I put it on Man U as i think Reading are much worse than Everton and Utd are better than City. If you are only going for the x2 better make it a sure thing.

Plus insuring your banker is for girly men who exfoliate and moisturise.


Oops! I meant to type I have my insurance on a MCFC win. Banker is elsewhere.
 
2013-03-16 08:22:20 AM  
Norfolking Chance:

Plus insuring your banker is for girly men who exfoliate and moisturise.

That.
 
2013-03-16 08:33:22 AM  
Word on the street is Joleon Lescott's on the way out of City. Sign him up Brendan!
 
2013-03-16 08:35:14 AM  

midpoint: Oops! I meant to type I have my insurance on a MCFC win. Banker is elsewhere.


AAAHHHHH, that makes more sense. I predicted a City win, but by a narrow one-goal margin and I wouldn't be surprised if it went the other way. I used my insurance on Aston Villa/QPR. That was too tough a game for me to call. Nothing would surprise me with that game. Aguero out, Komany out for City, Tim Howard not in goal for Everton...
 
2013-03-16 08:43:23 AM  
No Yaya? Ohh, this might be a tougher call than I thought.
 
2013-03-16 08:58:22 AM  
Barely offside. Might be level.
 
2013-03-16 09:02:03 AM  
I'm in Cali today so I'm barely awake.
 
2013-03-16 09:04:31 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: I'm in Cali today so I'm barely awake.


Snowing here :(
 
2013-03-16 09:05:36 AM  

midpoint: HaywoodJablonski: I'm in Cali today so I'm barely awake.

Snowing here :(


Back in London Wednesday. Hope it's nicer by then
 
2013-03-16 09:18:10 AM  
OSMAN!
That was onside. Nicely done finish.
 
2013-03-16 09:20:25 AM  

ADubs86: OSMAN!
That was onside. Nicely done finish.


That was a sweet hit.  So much movement on that strike.
 
2013-03-16 10:03:59 AM  
Seeing Red....
 
2013-03-16 10:04:34 AM  
Everton down to 10.
 
2013-03-16 10:04:56 AM  
welp, good luck Everton
 
2013-03-16 10:07:03 AM  

dietbubba: welp, good luck Everton


They're still outplaying the crap of city.
 
2013-03-16 10:10:28 AM  
City couldn't finish a pie. What the fark. Embarrassing.
 
2013-03-16 10:11:06 AM  
Wow, 2 GREAT saves
 
2013-03-16 10:11:43 AM  
Did Everton find their goalie at a Guy Ritchie casting call?
 
2013-03-16 10:13:44 AM  
NIAC time
 
2013-03-16 10:17:21 AM  
Does city even want a goal? 0 2 buck chuck shirts in the box (considering the quality of play that color doesn't earn the name Burgundy).
 
2013-03-16 10:26:04 AM  
City...you're farking terrible.
 
2013-03-16 10:27:58 AM  

ScouserDuck: City...you're farking terrible.


The entire EPL save ManUre is absolute shiat this season.
 
2013-03-16 10:29:27 AM  
Welp, you might as well go ahead and give United the trophy now. As it stands, the Manchester derby could lock up the title.
 
2013-03-16 10:29:42 AM  
And city just got robbed.
 
2013-03-16 10:30:28 AM  
Eek.  Oh yeah, Free kick is the right call.  :)
 
2013-03-16 10:30:53 AM  
I'll say.  Terrible call.
 
2013-03-16 10:30:54 AM  

ScouserDuck: And city just got robbed.


Yeah, that wasn't even close.
 
2013-03-16 10:30:56 AM  
Why are people shocked that a team thats been between 3rd and 5th for most of the season taking an injury depleted and demoralised Man City down to the wire? Its not like its a team from the bottom half of the table doing this.

/Everton have been good most of the season
//Deserve some credit
///If i had know the injuries i might of insured this result
 
2013-03-16 10:33:05 AM  
What did Garcia do to get those boos?
 
2013-03-16 10:35:34 AM  

dietbubba: What did Garcia do to get those boos?


Just another case of player rolling around like they were shot then hopping up once the card is shown.
 
2013-03-16 10:36:45 AM  
Holy shiat, Everton. Well done
 
2013-03-16 10:37:47 AM  
Thanks for stopping by ManC.
 
2013-03-16 10:38:17 AM  
City... You should be absolutely embarrassed. 20 minutes being a man up. You're supposed to be an all-star team a la Real Madrid. Fark you guys.
 
2013-03-16 10:39:07 AM  
-10
 
2013-03-16 10:42:23 AM  
That was a good start to the weekend.
 
2013-03-16 10:43:24 AM  
It looks from whats been said on the BBC text feed that the ref and the lino's had a shocker. So Everton should of got the disalowed goal, City should of got a penalty and Milner should of joined Pinaar with a red. Did i miss anything?
 
2013-03-16 10:45:08 AM  
 
2013-03-16 10:48:51 AM  

mitchcumstein1: HaywoodJablonski: -10


Looking at my chart, you have to think the vast majority took a bath. And almost everyone who didn't has their insurance to thank.
 
2013-03-16 10:55:44 AM  

mitchcumstein1: HaywoodJablonski: -10

Yup.


Same
 
2013-03-16 10:56:43 AM  

midpoint: mitchcumstein1: HaywoodJablonski: -10

Looking at my chart, you have to think the vast majority took a bath. And almost everyone who didn't has their insurance to thank.


My insurance almost always goes on Arsenal.

Such is my life.
 
2013-03-16 11:03:34 AM  
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Come on, you Gunners
 
2013-03-16 11:16:24 AM  
Southampton already up? What the fark is going on?
 
2013-03-16 11:21:17 AM  
Get Allen off already.
 
2013-03-16 11:28:43 AM  
Suarez just got hosed.
 
2013-03-16 11:30:10 AM  
Smartest move for me so far was removing my banker and putting my insurance on Liverpool. Looks like it just might pay off. All year Liverpool have been a 2 step forward, one step back team, now they're getting put to the sword by Soton. Not shocked at all.
 
2013-03-16 11:33:39 AM  
I think Brendan Rogers banged that lineys wife judging by the decisions we are getting.
 
2013-03-16 11:34:37 AM  
Smartest last minute insurance ever.
 
2013-03-16 11:35:03 AM  
Good lord we are terrible.
 
2013-03-16 11:38:20 AM  
Ugh... the one week I just put my banker on Liverpool and put my insurance somewhere else, this shiat happens.

I might be a chicken shiat for doing the banker/insurance combo, but I'd rather be that than lose 30 points.
 
2013-03-16 11:41:35 AM  
It is a constant mystery to me how this team can be so good against a top side one week and be so shiat against a lower side the next. Baffling.
 
2013-03-16 11:48:49 AM  
COUTINHO!
At least we got one back. Good to go into half with something positive, we are getting torn apart.
 
2013-03-16 12:07:03 PM  
As everyone predicted, Arsenal/Swansea are in a nil-nil affair
 
2013-03-16 12:08:59 PM  
hello all, checking in from sunny san francisco. I see HaywoodJablonski is also in cali, what part? I'll be here til Thursday visiting friends and already have my first hangover. Going to 21st amendment brewery later!

Woke up and was excited to see the Everton result even though I predicted a city win (3-2) like everyone else. I will start doing mls fantasy round ups when I'm back home.

Speaking of mls, DC United play NYRB on regular NBC at 1230 eastern! It's rivalry week and NBC has a bunch of games on their networks.
 
2013-03-16 12:10:14 PM  

Stimied in a Rut: hello all, checking in from sunny san francisco. I see HaywoodJablonski is also in cali, what part? I'll be here til Thursday visiting friends and already have my first hangover. Going to 21st amendment brewery later!

Woke up and was excited to see the Everton result even though I predicted a city win (3-2) like everyone else. I will start doing mls fantasy round ups when I'm back home.

Speaking of mls, DC United play NYRB on regular NBC at 1230 eastern! It's rivalry week and NBC has a bunch of games on their networks.


I'm visiting relatives in the La/Pslm Springs area; showing off the 3-month old. :)
 
2013-03-16 12:18:17 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Stimied in a Rut: hello all, checking in from sunny san francisco. I see HaywoodJablonski is also in cali, what part? I'll be here til Thursday visiting friends and already have my first hangover. Going to 21st amendment brewery later!

Woke up and was excited to see the Everton result even though I predicted a city win (3-2) like everyone else. I will start doing mls fantasy round ups when I'm back home.

Speaking of mls, DC United play NYRB on regular NBC at 1230 eastern! It's rivalry week and NBC has a bunch of games on their networks.

I'm visiting relatives in the La/Pslm Springs area; showing off the 3-month old. :)


Awesome! Have a wonderful time
 
2013-03-16 12:20:27 PM  
What's liver pools pass completion today? 5%?
 
2013-03-16 12:23:07 PM  
Damnit Suarez!
 
2013-03-16 12:32:44 PM  
There it is!!

NACHO
 
2013-03-16 12:34:12 PM  
Thank you, Nacho!
 
2013-03-16 12:38:34 PM  
Well this one's over.
 
2013-03-16 12:39:17 PM  
Farking a.. That's embarrassing.
 
2013-03-16 12:39:56 PM  

Stimied in a Rut: HaywoodJablonski: Stimied in a Rut: hello all, checking in from sunny san francisco. I see HaywoodJablonski is also in cali, what part? I'll be here til Thursday visiting friends and already have my first hangover. Going to 21st amendment brewery later!

Woke up and was excited to see the Everton result even though I predicted a city win (3-2) like everyone else. I will start doing mls fantasy round ups when I'm back home.

Speaking of mls, DC United play NYRB on regular NBC at 1230 eastern! It's rivalry week and NBC has a bunch of games on their networks.

I'm visiting relatives in the La/Pslm Springs area; showing off the 3-month old. :)

Awesome! Have a wonderful time


Thanks. You, too. I may end up going back and forth to San Fran for work in a few months. Stay tuned
 
2013-03-16 12:42:58 PM  
Everything I wanted to happen today is happening opposite.
 
2013-03-16 12:45:05 PM  

ScouserDuck: Everything I wanted to happen today is happening opposite.


Kinda the problem when you need to rely on other teams to help you out.
 
2013-03-16 12:48:13 PM  

drewogatory: ScouserDuck: Everything I wanted to happen today is happening opposite.

Kinda the problem when you need to rely on other teams to help you out.


Well the other teams are only magnified when Liverpool are playing as if soccer changed the rules to predominately using your feet yesterday.
 
2013-03-16 12:49:20 PM  
I mean shiat. Even gervinho can score.
 
2013-03-16 12:50:40 PM  

ScouserDuck: I mean shiat. Even gervinho can score.


Bullshiat. Must be a mirage
 
2013-03-16 12:51:31 PM  
HOLY CRAP Gervinho still remembers where the net is.
 
2013-03-16 12:51:42 PM  
Well at least Oregon can possibly meaninglessly win the PAC-12 tourney today.
 
2013-03-16 01:04:26 PM  
Smartest Banker/Insurance switch ever.

ScouserDuck: Well at least Oregon can possibly meaninglessly win the PAC-12 tourney today.


I woke up today wanting Liverpool, Seattle Sounders, and Louisville to win. I'll take two of those three.
 
2013-03-16 01:18:40 PM  
I was pretty confident in my picks today...until I came back from Ultimate and saw the scores they all did. FU Liverpool! Last time I put my banker on you. GAH!
 
2013-03-16 01:24:31 PM  
Look who's 2 points out of 4th place
 
2013-03-16 01:25:12 PM  
To the tune of "Rock the Casbah":

Gervinho don't like it!

FARK the Tottenham! FARK the Tottenham!
 
2013-03-16 01:25:49 PM  
Way to fark my day up Liverpool.
Gonna be a lot of drinking tonight at the Crew match.
 
2013-03-16 01:26:55 PM  
-50. Going for the reverse perfect
 
2013-03-16 01:40:11 PM  
Its March. Its too early to talk relegation
 
2013-03-16 01:45:24 PM  

Stimied in a Rut: Speaking of mls, DC United play NYRB on regular NBC at 1230 eastern! It's rivalry week and NBC has a bunch of games on their networks.


So, is Thierry Henry supposed to be the best player on the pitch, or is he just able to do so because it's so early in the campaign?
 
2013-03-16 02:09:54 PM  

Loomy: Stimied in a Rut: Speaking of mls, DC United play NYRB on regular NBC at 1230 eastern! It's rivalry week and NBC has a bunch of games on their networks.

So, is Thierry Henry supposed to be the best player on the pitch, or is he just able to do so because it's so early in the campaign?


I mean, he's pretty damn good so yeah. NYRB are stacked and should be in the finals every season but love to shoot themselves in the foot which is fine by me. Pretty good game so far I think.
 
2013-03-16 02:50:13 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: ScouserDuck: I mean shiat. Even gervinho can score.

Bullshiat. Must be a mirage


He very nearly kicked it straight at the goalie, but as usual he missed.
 
2013-03-16 03:26:04 PM  
I think I'm breaking even, and I'm thinking 0 is looking like a decent score.
 
2013-03-16 03:52:27 PM  
FFPL scores up.

Kudos to JuicePats, who predicted a 4-0 home win for Man U against Reading, but was MORE CERTAIN that QPR would win by one goal at AVF so put his banker there.
 
2013-03-16 04:07:10 PM  

midpoint: FFPL scores up.

Kudos to JuicePats, who predicted a 4-0 home win for Man U against Reading, but was MORE CERTAIN that QPR would win by one goal at AVF so put his banker there.


Lol
 
2013-03-16 04:50:17 PM  

midpoint: FFPL scores up.


This game sucks.  Fark you, Liverpool.
 
2013-03-16 04:52:10 PM  

tom servo bit me: midpoint: FFPL scores up.

This game sucks.  Fark you, Liverpool

I

sense it has been an emotional roller-coaster for you Tom?
 
2013-03-16 04:55:56 PM  

midpoint: tom servo bit me: midpoint: FFPL scores up.

This game sucks.  Fark you, Liverpool

I sense it has been an emotional roller-coaster for you Tom?


Just a one-step-forward, two-steps-back experience for me with the predos.  I gotta get off the damn second page.
 
2013-03-16 05:21:49 PM  

tom servo bit me: midpoint: FFPL scores up.

This game sucks.  Fark you, Liverpool.


If it's any consolation, some of us Liverpool fans are saying the same thing.
 
2013-03-16 07:51:16 PM  

desertgeek: tom servo bit me: midpoint: FFPL scores up.

This game sucks.  Fark you, Liverpool.

If it's any consolation, some of us Liverpool fans are saying the same thing.


Seconded.

Time for Cascadia!
 
2013-03-16 08:12:59 PM  

ADubs86: Smartest Banker/Insurance switch ever.

ScouserDuck: Well at least Oregon can possibly meaninglessly win the PAC-12 tourney today.

I woke up today wanting Liverpool, Seattle Sounders, and Louisville to win. I'll take two of those three.


With all due respect... Your sounders can suck it.
 
2013-03-16 08:37:54 PM  
EJ!
I'm hoping that EJ + Oba = Goals a plenty.
 
2013-03-16 09:49:17 PM  
Who do I need to kill to be not last? This sucks. I don't even know why I bother.

Now thats out the way, come on you gooooners! Swans looked kinda jaded during second half but a good, grindy result. Cazola was great and yes, I thought Gervinio was gonna miss that.

Merseyside combined to bone me red and blue.

midpoint: Your FFPL report for Round 29


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At the bottom, 30/30 scored a healthy +65, reversing a terrible recent run with two perfects and just two wrong. Possibly that was auto-generated as he didn't use the banker or the insurance chips?



Lets go with yes. I need it for my self esteem. Also, auto-generate could've got me first page action had I known about it sooner. ;.;
 
2013-03-16 10:15:05 PM  

ADubs86: I woke up today wanting Liverpool, Seattle Sounders, and Louisville to win. I'll take two of those three.


Looks like I'm going 0 for 3 today. Great day.
/I laugh to keep myself from crying
 
2013-03-16 10:58:26 PM  

ADubs86: ADubs86: I woke up today wanting Liverpool, Seattle Sounders, and Louisville to win. I'll take two of those three.

Looks like I'm going 0 for 3 today. Great day.
/I laugh to keep myself from crying


Well, 1 of three ain't bad. Technically I went 1-1-1.
/Big East Champs!
 
2013-03-17 12:04:07 AM  
I am starting to love Wallace as an attacker...so much better than as a defender.
 
2013-03-17 05:28:33 AM  

tom servo bit me: midpoint: tom servo bit me: midpoint: FFPL scores up.

This game sucks.  Fark you, Liverpool

I sense it has been an emotional roller-coaster for you Tom?

Just a one-step-forward, two-steps-back experience for me with the predos.  I gotta get off the damn second page.


It is quite an exclusive club these days.
 
2013-03-17 05:36:11 AM  
Every FFPL Spurs supporter* lost points yesterday. All Toon supporters scored 0**. All MUFC supporters scored 0 or more. All Oxford Utd players scored +75. Best Liverpool score was 0.

* Discounting HawaiiE, who opted out two months ago it seems.
** Obamartins 0 included a broken banker. Such a shame [sincere face].
 
2013-03-17 08:26:36 AM  

ADubs86: EJ!
I'm hoping that EJ + Oba = Goals a plenty.


I love that my namesake is now in the mls. So excited to finally get to see him play live when he comes to Philly in may.
 
2013-03-17 08:28:17 AM  

midpoint: Every FFPL Spurs supporter* lost points yesterday. All Toon supporters scored 0**. All MUFC supporters scored 0 or more. All Oxford Utd players scored +75. Best Liverpool score was 0.

* Discounting HawaiiE, who opted out two months ago it seems.
** Obamartins 0 included a broken banker. Such a shame [sincere face].


Damn Liverpool. But that's what I get for refusing to put my banker on a X2 game.
 
2013-03-17 09:17:34 AM  
I thought the UK daylight savings time kicked in today. Shouldn't we have a game in progress? My fantasy site says otherwise
 
2013-03-17 09:19:19 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: I thought the UK daylight savings time kicked in today. Shouldn't we have a game in progress? My fantasy site says otherwise


I'm off by 2 weeks I see. Carry on
 
2013-03-17 09:40:33 AM  
Serious question because I know this thread is full of people who are knowledgeable about soccer: is the league of MLS better than the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, or any of the other European leagues? BEFORE YOU ANSWER: I know the level of play is better in the EPL, and EPL teams would beat MLS teams, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if the league is better administered, in terms of maintaining competitive balance, resistance to corruption, prevalence of diving, etc. I ask because whenever I read an ESPN or SI piece about European soccer, they're always talking about the exact same clubs winning, or about match fixing, or controversial reds. I was wondering if that was just US bias or if soccer is really all kinds of messed up in other countries.
 
2013-03-17 09:57:27 AM  
Wow, get drunk, forget to make Saturday picks, end up @ +5 with a higher score than half the league. I'll take it. Oh, and COYW!
 
2013-03-17 09:59:09 AM  

Palmer Eldritch: Serious question because I know this thread is full of people who are knowledgeable about soccer: is the league of MLS better than the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, or any of the other European leagues? BEFORE YOU ANSWER: I know the level of play is better in the EPL, and EPL teams would beat MLS teams, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if the league is better administered, in terms of maintaining competitive balance, resistance to corruption, prevalence of diving, etc. I ask because whenever I read an ESPN or SI piece about European soccer, they're always talking about the exact same clubs winning, or about match fixing, or controversial reds. I was wondering if that was just US bias or if soccer is really all kinds of messed up in other countries.



Thats the $10,000 question.

I can't say anything about MLS as i haven't watched any teams from it.

EPL vs Serie A. Serie A teams tend to be better at the technical skills and tactically but are very risk averse so tend to be very defensive and walk the tightrope of fouls. EPL teams tend to be much more fluid and attacking but may lack a little tactically. As for off the field it is the most corrupt of the big leagues in Europe with notable match fixing and bribing scandals and the worst crowd issues with the "Ultras". Stabbings are common (but mostly aimed at hurting and not killing). Financially both are as stable as each other.

EPL vs La Liga: The two big teams in La Liga are just a little bit better than the top of the EPL, mostly due to being able to outspend them. La Liga tends to be less competitive than the EPL after the top two with more "rabbit" teams who are beaten by everyone. Financially EPL teams are not very solvent by its much worse in La Liga. The Spanish tax man is owed somewhere in the region of €200,000 per team.
 
2013-03-17 10:01:05 AM  
Damn, Bunn sent off with a red. Canaries down to 10.
 
2013-03-17 10:03:43 AM  
The short answer is that Football is no more messed up than Baseball, Bascketball, American Football or say Ice Hockey but its messed up in different ways.

For example Football doesn't have the issues with labour disputes so no strikes or lockouts; nor does it have the big issues with off the field player problems with crimes or PEDs.

But it does have its own set of issues with finances, match fixing and crowd troubles.
 
2013-03-17 10:04:29 AM  
Why do i get the feeling that if that was the home keeper it wouldn't of been a red.

Come one you Yellows!
 
2013-03-17 10:05:31 AM  

Palmer Eldritch: Serious question because I know this thread is full of people who are knowledgeable about soccer: is the league of MLS better than the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, or any of the other European leagues? BEFORE YOU ANSWER: I know the level of play is better in the EPL, and EPL teams would beat MLS teams, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if the league is better administered, in terms of maintaining competitive balance, resistance to corruption, prevalence of diving, etc. I ask because whenever I read an ESPN or SI piece about European soccer, they're always talking about the exact same clubs winning, or about match fixing, or controversial reds. I was wondering if that was just US bias or if soccer is really all kinds of messed up in other countries.



Well,
MLS certainly has a more collectivist framework in place wrt revenue sharing and new young talent. My instinctive response is that it would be one of the most corruption free leagues in the world because of the relative lack of money and the strong legal frameworks of the US underneath.
Ironically, the more collectively inclined Euro cultures run their leagues along pretty cut-throat/free-market principles. Stealing of young players from smaller teams, ruthlessness wrt revenue etc
MLS teams are franchises with (at the minute) little to no cultural or social or political significance. In other countries the opposite is the case - Tottenham and Jews, Celtic and the Irish, Roma and fascists, Real Madrid and Franco, the number of East European teams with connections to  Soviet regimes etc. Their roots run deeeeeep.
Italian football has had a lot of issues with match fixing. Spanish football has a lot of local govt interference.
In respect of referee decisions - most of the complaints come from TV pundits required to shout and fill time. Many of them have a poor grasp of the rules, as do a remarkable number of fans. I'm a fan of referees - generally decent men doing the best they can.
You have to remember, the bigger clubs in each Euro league are the biggest sports-brands in the world, and every step they take causes tremors in society, business and of course the media.
MLS teams will get better. I'm not sure that quality improvement can be hot housed, rather it must come from organic growth.
 
2013-03-17 10:06:13 AM  

Palmer Eldritch: Serious question because I know this thread is full of people who are knowledgeable about soccer: is the league of MLS better than the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, or any of the other European leagues? BEFORE YOU ANSWER: I know the level of play is better in the EPL, and EPL teams would beat MLS teams, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if the league is better administered, in terms of maintaining competitive balance, resistance to corruption, prevalence of diving, etc. I ask because whenever I read an ESPN or SI piece about European soccer, they're always talking about the exact same clubs winning, or about match fixing, or controversial reds. I was wondering if that was just US bias or if soccer is really all kinds of messed up in other countries.


Separating your question into two parts, the first league administration:
MLS is set up and administered to try and create parity.  This starts with the salary structure but also with the rules on foreign players.  Having said that there are teams that seem to get some preferential treatment, NY and LA, for the better of the league.  Europe doesn't do this.  I believe that what Real Madrid pays in salary for its starting 11, would be enough to pay for about half the the other teams salaries in LA Liga, if not more.

MLS does have less corruption than other leagues around the globe.

League office takes actions to grow the sport as a whole, not just promote one team.

Field Play:
Diving - you get that in every league.  MLS is no different.
MLS is a far more physical league than many others.
Play level is one to two notches below top European leagues, though improving.  It is becoming a feeder league with some players doing quite well when joining top leagues in Europe.
MLS refs - Are freaking horrible.

So if you are asking if MLS is better run, I think yes.

If you are asking if MLS is a better league, I think no.   The level of play is getting better, but until it is a top league, the MLS is a just well run feeder league.
 
2013-03-17 10:08:20 AM  

Palmer Eldritch: Serious question because I know this thread is full of people who are knowledgeable about soccer: is the league of MLS better than the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, or any of the other European leagues? BEFORE YOU ANSWER: I know the level of play is better in the EPL, and EPL teams would beat MLS teams, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if the league is better administered, in terms of maintaining competitive balance, resistance to corruption, prevalence of diving, etc. I ask because whenever I read an ESPN or SI piece about European soccer, they're always talking about the exact same clubs winning, or about match fixing, or controversial reds. I was wondering if that was just US bias or if soccer is really all kinds of messed up in other countries.


Administration wise, yes, because the MLS is looking for countrywide stability. Unlike European leagues of today which have been around for a century or more, the MLS is just a little under 20 years old. It HAS to be stable because there is no room for error. Footy teams here (Pacific northwest excluded) don't have that kind of local pride established with them that comes with having a top-level team to support for generations, not to mention the complete lack of funding and promotion of lower level sides.
 
2013-03-17 10:08:55 AM  
Stan Collymore just staid the game was being  played at St James Park. I'd fear for his life, if I wouldn't mind him getting a sadistic beating or two.

Sounds like a quiet, dull game with no incident so far, ahem.
 
2013-03-17 10:09:39 AM  
Holy shiat! Norwich is taking it in the ass from the refs today. Yet one more reason to hate Sunderland, not that anyone needed one.
 
2013-03-17 10:09:49 AM  
Pretty good responses there Norfolking and midpoint.
 
2013-03-17 10:10:52 AM  

Norfolking Chance: Palmer Eldritch: Serious question because I know this thread is full of people who are knowledgeable about soccer: is the league of MLS better than the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, or any of the other European leagues? BEFORE YOU ANSWER: I know the level of play is better in the EPL, and EPL teams would beat MLS teams, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if the league is better administered, in terms of maintaining competitive balance, resistance to corruption, prevalence of diving, etc. I ask because whenever I read an ESPN or SI piece about European soccer, they're always talking about the exact same clubs winning, or about match fixing, or controversial reds. I was wondering if that was just US bias or if soccer is really all kinds of messed up in other countries.


Thats the $10,000 question.

I can't say anything about MLS as i haven't watched any teams from it.

EPL vs Serie A. Serie A teams tend to be better at the technical skills and tactically but are very risk averse so tend to be very defensive and walk the tightrope of fouls. EPL teams tend to be much more fluid and attacking but may lack a little tactically. As for off the field it is the most corrupt of the big leagues in Europe with notable match fixing and bribing scandals and the worst crowd issues with the "Ultras". Stabbings are common (but mostly aimed at hurting and not killing). Financially both are as stable as each other.

EPL vs La Liga: The two big teams in La Liga are just a little bit better than the top of the EPL, mostly due to being able to outspend them. La Liga tends to be less competitive than the EPL after the top two with more "rabbit" teams who are beaten by everyone. Financially EPL teams are not very solvent by its much worse in La Liga. The Spanish tax man is owed somewhere in the region of €200,000 per team.


I'm not horribly knowledgable about MLS, but:

Is the MLS better than other leagues WRT:

Competitive Balance:  Yes.  But MLS's structure defines this.  If the MLS became a huge money-maker, I doubt the current structure would survive and the league would have to deal with the same problems as every league.

Match Fixing: We really don't know.  But most likely "yes"., This would have to with the strength of the US legal institutions rather than the MLS.

Diving: No. MLS is not better vis-a-vis diving.  Maybe the Aussie league is the best in those terms.
 
2013-03-17 10:11:38 AM  
Sorry replied to wrong comment above.
 
2013-03-17 10:13:12 AM  
I had Sunderland Norwich as a draw, so this is working out for me so far.
 
2013-03-17 10:14:14 AM  
Those reffing descions remind more of the first few games at the begining of last season. Time and again i've seen that penalty call be waved aside as ball to hand.
 
2013-03-17 10:18:47 AM  

Norfolking Chance: Those reffing descions remind more of the first few games at the begining of last season. Time and again i've seen that penalty call be waved aside as ball to hand.


It is an impossible job. Lessons to be learned from rugby for sure. If I'm ever in charge, there will be pitch-side firing squads.
 
2013-03-17 10:25:21 AM  

midpoint: Norfolking Chance: Those reffing descions remind more of the first few games at the begining of last season. Time and again i've seen that penalty call be waved aside as ball to hand.

It is an impossible job. Lessons to be learned from rugby for sure. If I'm ever in charge, there will be pitch-side firing squads.


Its painful to see them but at the end of the day these poor descions tend to even out over the season. Very hard job made worse by the rampant "gamesmanship"
 
2013-03-17 10:33:03 AM  
To me,mother biggest single issue corruption wise is the people and culture of the macro-governing bodies. FIFA being considerable worse than UEFA, which isn't that good but is better. The recent award of the World Cup to Qatar may be the crisis that bring snecessary change.

Euro states may step in, those nations accounting for most of the cash and global interest.
 
2013-03-17 10:37:34 AM  

Norfolking Chance: midpoint: Norfolking Chance: Those reffing descions remind more of the first few games at the begining of last season. Time and again i've seen that penalty call be waved aside as ball to hand.

It is an impossible job. Lessons to be learned from rugby for sure. If I'm ever in charge, there will be pitch-side firing squads.

Its painful to see them but at the end of the day these poor descions tend to even out over the season. Very hard job made worse by the rampant "gamesmanship"


I tend to agree, but the Timbers have been hosed on non-pk calls.  Last weeks match a fine example.  Defend has arm up in the back of attackers head, makes contact with arm and rest of body, doesn't touch the ball at all.  Ref gives a corner.  Only league where I see refs give corners as concession for fouls (the ref deems not strong enough for a PK) is in rec leagues.  If you are going to call a foul at midfield, call it in the box.  Portland had an iffy no-call last night as well.  The defender did get the ball, but he went thru the attacker.  That happens at midfield and is called about 95% percent of the time.
 
2013-03-17 10:48:22 AM  
In respect of the same teams winning a lot there is something of a positive feedback loop in some leagues.

Winning a league increases your prominence, brings you new fans and then sponsorship/TV deals and merchandise sales means you have greater revenues to spend on facilities(bigger stadia) and players - more and better. All that means you find it incrementally easier to win the league/cup next iteration.

MUFC the perfect example of how that has been efficiently exploited - until the takeover a few years ago.

Celtic and Rangers in Glasgow stuck together to create or deny proposed changes to revenue sharing/TV deals etc. On SPL votes, a motion could ony pass if it had an 11-1 majority, meaning that the Old Firm could exert significant control by working together. An unintended consequence for Celtic of Rangers being cast out has been that they have no partner to
 
2013-03-17 10:49:58 AM  
...block changes which they don't want - e.g the way TV money is shared out.
 
2013-03-17 10:55:48 AM  
 
2013-03-17 10:59:55 AM  

midpoint: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/17/greek-football-lifetim e -ban-nazi-saluteGreek player banned after giving Nazi salute


Moron. Grow up, Europe
 
2013-03-17 11:04:03 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: midpoint: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/17/greek-football-lifetim e -ban-nazi-saluteGreek player banned after giving Nazi salute

Moron. Grow up, Europe


Gets better. The coach of that team is German.
 
2013-03-17 11:11:15 AM  
St Mirren Vs Hearts in the Scottish League Cup today. Don't all rush at once.
 
2013-03-17 11:14:12 AM  
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21790728 BBC article on millionaire players who have gone bankrupt.

I'm struck by the high proportion of those that played for Newcastle.
 
2013-03-17 11:20:17 AM  

midpoint: HaywoodJablonski: midpoint: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/17/greek-football-lifetim e -ban-nazi-saluteGreek player banned after giving Nazi salute

Moron. Grow up, Europe

Gets better. The coach of that team is German.


FTA:
"The player's action to salute to spectators in a Nazi manner is a severe provocation, insults all the victims of Nazi bestiality and injures the deeply pacifist and human character of the game," EPO said in a statement.

I must have fallen asleep in class the day we talked about that.
 
2013-03-17 11:25:28 AM  

bjmichel: I must have fallen asleep in class the day we talked about that.


bestiality
1. brutish or beastly character or behavior; beastliness.
2. indulgence in beastlike appetites, instincts, impulses, etc.
3. an instance of bestial character or behavior.
4. sexual relations between a person and an animal; sodomy.
 
2013-03-17 11:32:50 AM  
Nice draw Norwich, gives me +20 to start the day.
 
2013-03-17 11:55:06 AM  
Snoozefest at White Hart Lane. Thankfully, Spurs are playing as awful as we are. Would love to see Emanuelson on for Duff at half, who has been wholly ineffective since signing his new contract.
 
2013-03-17 12:01:43 PM  

Cognitive Displaysia: Snoozefest at White Hart Lane. Thankfully, Spurs are playing as awful as we are. Would love to see Emanuelson on for Duff at half, who has been wholly ineffective since signing his new contract.


Whew, Milan game was eventful, time to relax.

What's been up with Urby? He was always right on the verge of being something at Milan, it seems he would be a regular for that squad, has he been hurt or something?
 
2013-03-17 12:07:25 PM  

martissimo: Cognitive Displaysia: Snoozefest at White Hart Lane. Thankfully, Spurs are playing as awful as we are. Would love to see Emanuelson on for Duff at half, who has been wholly ineffective since signing his new contract.

Whew, Milan game was eventful, time to relax.

What's been up with Urby? He was always right on the verge of being something at Milan, it seems he would be a regular for that squad, has he been hurt or something?


Don't really know. Only thing I can think is he has made it clear he's only here for 6 months, maybe the club is a little miffed and is loathe to give him a lot of playing time. Only hurting ourselves at the moment though, he has great pace and better skill than Duff at this point from what little we've seen of him.
 
2013-03-17 12:10:39 PM  
Berba!!!!!
 
2013-03-17 12:12:41 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org !
 
2013-03-17 12:29:10 PM  
FAT FRANK LAMPARD
Congrats on 200 goals.
 
2013-03-17 12:54:10 PM  
3 pts at White Hart Lane. Best -10 pts in the predictions league this year for me.
 
2013-03-17 12:56:02 PM  

Cognitive Displaysia: 3 pts at White Hart Lane. Best -10 pts in the predictions league this year for me.


I wouldn't be at all surprised to find we're worse at predicting our own teams results than others - excepting key rivals.
 
2013-03-17 12:56:46 PM  

Cognitive Displaysia: 3 pts at White Hart Lane. Best -10 pts in the predictions league this year for me.


Arsenal fans thank Fulham as well.
 
2013-03-17 12:57:08 PM  
Well done Tottenham. Thanks for the -10.
 
2013-03-17 01:03:47 PM  
So I guess we are at that part of the season when Tottenham starts their collapse.
 
2013-03-17 01:03:49 PM  
Saint Totteringham remains asleep, but begins to toss and turn in his bed!
 
2013-03-17 01:08:42 PM  
Callum Henry McManaman (born 25 April 1991) is a violent

Heh, someone's already gone Wiki-trolling.
 
2013-03-17 01:13:47 PM  
I would have done better in FFPL if I'd let my dogs picked this week.
 
2013-03-17 01:13:52 PM  
Thanks for the responses, everyone. The part that surprised me the most is that people said that MLS has just as much of a diving problem as the other leagues- wouldn't have expected US audiences to be willing to put up with that. Followup question- would post-match review to award yellows to uncaught flops fix that? They're doing post-game reviews and fines for uncaught flops in the NBA now, and it seems to be working.
 
2013-03-17 01:22:23 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: Thanks for the responses, everyone. The part that surprised me the most is that people said that MLS has just as much of a diving problem as the other leagues- wouldn't have expected US audiences to be willing to put up with that. Followup question- would post-match review to award yellows to uncaught flops fix that? They're doing post-game reviews and fines for uncaught flops in the NBA now, and it seems to be working.


Yeah, I think it might. I don't think it'll ever be eliminated, though, because it's not always easy to distinguish between a legitimate foul and an overreaction and take into account the advantage of the stop vs. play-on option in a split second. But harsher penalties after the fact would at least (hopefully) make players think twice about it.
 
2013-03-17 01:23:14 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: Thanks for the responses, everyone. The part that surprised me the most is that people said that MLS has just as much of a diving problem as the other leagues- wouldn't have expected US audiences to be willing to put up with that. Followup question- would post-match review to award yellows to uncaught flops fix that? They're doing post-game reviews and fines for uncaught flops in the NBA now, and it seems to be working.


Yes it would. The main issue is that FIFA say that the Ref is the sole arbiter of what happens on the pitch and should be regardless of the level of the game. Thats why goal line technology has been resisted so much.

It works very well for Rugby as the 4th official has 24 hours after the game to give his report to all sides and if your name is on it you will have a hearing that week. Reason why punch ups are so rare in rugby now as you will get a couple of game bans for it no matter what.
 
2013-03-17 01:26:17 PM  

Mr_H: I would have done better in FFPL if I'd let my dogs picked this week.


Possibly, what kind of dogs?
 
2013-03-17 01:34:29 PM  
Toon equalise.
 
2013-03-17 01:35:52 PM  
Need one more goal from the Toon for another perfect.
 
2013-03-17 01:36:03 PM  

midpoint: Toon equalise.


Wow it is loudddddd at the DW right now
 
2013-03-17 01:39:31 PM  

obamartins: midpoint: Toon equalise.

Wow it is loudddddd at the DW right now


I believe I've mentioned previously I used to live 200yds away from SJP? This was pre-expansion, so about 35K capacity. When Newcastle scored, the ground would shake, then a moment later the sound waves would catch up.
 
2013-03-17 01:43:41 PM  

midpoint: obamartins: midpoint: Toon equalise.

Wow it is loudddddd at the DW right now

I believe I've mentioned previously I used to live 200yds away from SJP? This was pre-expansion, so about 35K capacity. When Newcastle scored, the ground would shake, then a moment later the sound waves would catch up.


That's awesome. I still have yet to make it over to England. The next time nufc play at home around Christmas I'm going to be tempted to make the trip.
 
2013-03-17 01:46:28 PM  

obamartins: midpoint: obamartins: midpoint: Toon equalise.

Wow it is loudddddd at the DW right now

I believe I've mentioned previously I used to live 200yds away from SJP? This was pre-expansion, so about 35K capacity. When Newcastle scored, the ground would shake, then a moment later the sound waves would catch up.

That's awesome. I still have yet to make it over to England. The next time nufc play at home around Christmas I'm going to be tempted to make the trip.


H'actually reviewing the map it was more like 400 yards, but the rest is correct.

If you're lucky you might have a choice of two home games and possibly an FA Cup tie.
 
2013-03-17 01:53:56 PM  
Well, perfect for Sunderland-Norwich, perfect for Chelsea-West Ham w/ banker, Fulham away win, good day! And it's my birthday. Hope the rest is as enjoyable, lol.
 
2013-03-17 01:54:54 PM  

midpoint: obamartins: midpoint: obamartins: midpoint: Toon equalise.

Wow it is loudddddd at the DW right now

I believe I've mentioned previously I used to live 200yds away from SJP? This was pre-expansion, so about 35K capacity. When Newcastle scored, the ground would shake, then a moment later the sound waves would catch up.

That's awesome. I still have yet to make it over to England. The next time nufc play at home around Christmas I'm going to be tempted to make the trip.

H'actually reviewing the map it was more like 400 yards, but the rest is correct.

If you're lucky you might have a choice of two home games and possibly an FA Cup tie.


Yeah that's what I figure with the Boxing Day fixture mixed in there.

Nufc just unlucky today with bad no calls today between the missed red and that hand ball.
 
2013-03-17 01:55:23 PM  
KONE 2013 does me in.
Good thing I had a perfect on Chelsea-West Ham to mitigate the damage.
 
2013-03-17 01:56:34 PM  

Cognitive Displaysia: Well, perfect for Sunderland-Norwich, perfect for Chelsea-West Ham w/ banker, Fulham away win, good day! And it's my birthday. Hope the rest is as enjoyable, lol.


Happy birthday! Go get drunk and try to pick up a chick or two.
 
2013-03-17 02:04:17 PM  
They're Staying Up
They're Staying Up
They're Staying
Wigan's Staying Up..........

We Still Believe (We Still Believe)
We Still Believe (We Still Believe)......
 
2013-03-17 02:21:06 PM  
It's turning into quite the clusterfark at the bottom. There are quite a few teams within 6 pts of the zone, practically the whole bottom half of the table.
 
2013-03-17 02:26:52 PM  

drewogatory: It's turning into quite the clusterfark at the bottom. There are quite a few teams within 6 pts of the zone, practically the whole bottom half of the table.


Indeed. Hopefully our unexpected 3 pts from Spurs can boost us clear, as we still have a couple matches yet that should get us points before the end of the season.
 
2013-03-17 03:15:05 PM  
I squeeze the lead 40pts wider. Huge day for 30/30.
 
2013-03-17 03:58:02 PM  

midpoint: Mr_H: I would have done better in FFPL if I'd let my dogs picked this week.

Possibly, what kind of dogs?


Blabs.  Beagle Lab Mixes.

Amazingly, I ended up with +10.  Chelsea and Wigan gave me two perfects for the day.  Woo.
 
2013-03-17 04:03:29 PM  

Mr_H: midpoint: Mr_H: I would have done better in FFPL if I'd let my dogs picked this week.

Possibly, what kind of dogs?

Blabs.  Beagle Lab Mixes.

Amazingly, I ended up with +10.  Chelsea and Wigan gave me two perfects for the day.  Woo.


Beagles know the fitba. Labs not so much.
 
2013-03-17 04:18:35 PM  

midpoint: Every FFPL Spurs supporter* lost points yesterday. All Toon supporters scored 0**. All MUFC supporters scored 0 or more. All Oxford Utd players scored +75. Best Liverpool score was 0.

* Discounting HawaiiE, who opted out two months ago it seems.
** Obamartins 0 included a broken banker. Such a shame [sincere face].


Love the specific mention of the MIGHTY Oxford United here. Incidentally they lost 1-0 to Chesterfield yesterday which just about eliminates Oxford from playoff our promotion competition barring a couple of epic collapses at the top of League Two
 
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