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(Mother Nature Network)   Not content with forcing restaurants to display the number of calories in its meals, new study suggests Americans would also benefit from a graphic of a traffic light to indicate how healthy each plate is   (mnn.com) divider line 124
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2013-03-16 08:39:55 AM  
Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!
 
2013-03-16 08:43:29 AM  
You know, that's not a bad idea.

I'm guessing that Wendy's Baconator will trigger a red light, but I'll have one on occasion anyway.
 
2013-03-16 08:45:41 AM  
Homeland Security's version:

sadhillnews.com
 
2013-03-16 09:31:28 AM  
Too complicated and confusing.

We need one graphic of a weeping hyperobese pig getting his feet amputated 'cause the 'beetus and one graphic of a smiling Jack LaLanne getting a handy from a leotard-clad Body By Jake.
 
2013-03-16 09:49:00 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


But it's for the good of the stat...er...society.
 
2013-03-16 10:28:46 AM  
It would certainly save the guesswork in finding the worst one


FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


Second hand frenchfry grease is a killer... KILLER I say!
 
2013-03-16 11:24:49 AM  
Have we as Americans really become so .... I can't even think of the word(s) to describe it ... stupid? that we have to color code EVERYTHING?

If it has 4 patties, 3 layers of cheese, and 40,000 fries, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR YOU.
 
2013-03-16 11:26:30 AM  
How about putting a scale of 1 to 4 Hoverounds next to each menu item, like they do with chili peppers for spicy dishes?
 
2013-03-16 11:27:29 AM  
Huh. There must be some hidden language in the article talking about the government passing new regulations, similar to those hidden messages on road signs that are designed to help the UN invade America. To my eyes, this article was talking about some scientists suggesting that since caloric numbers are already required on labels, it might be a good idea to also include some sort of summarizing graphic that summarizes the information at a glance.  Like lot of labels already do, actually. It terrifies me that there are sinister entities communicating secretly to each other through seemingly innocuous web articles. Guess it's time to buy another gun.
 
2013-03-16 11:28:51 AM  

Majick Thise: It would certainly save the guesswork in finding the worst one


FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!

Second hand frenchfry grease is a killer... KILLER I say!


I love the secondhand smoke argument.  Thank God we also banned automotive and industrial pollutants, as well as potentially carcinogenic food preservatives and insecticides.  Now no one will ever get cancer from environmental toxins.
 
2013-03-16 11:29:50 AM  

Snarfangel: Homeland Security's version:

[sadhillnews.com image 256x332]


I've waited over five years to need this again...

i199.photobucket.com

\God that was a fun postseason....
 
2013-03-16 11:30:43 AM  
Considering how many Farkers whine about missing 'NSFW" tags because "not safe for work" is too complicated for them, I can understand the reasoning for this idea.
 
2013-03-16 11:31:44 AM  

Alphax: You know, that's not a bad idea.

I'm guessing that Wendy's Baconator will trigger a red light, but I'll have one on occasion anyway.


Exactly this.

I love that the picture from the article was of a couple of double doubles from In-N-Out. The logo was carefully hidden, but anyone that eats there can easily recognize their presentation.
 
2013-03-16 11:33:15 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Huh. There must be some hidden language in the article talking about the government passing new regulations, similar to those hidden messages on road signs that are designed to help the UN invade America. To my eyes, this article was talking about some scientists suggesting that since caloric numbers are already required on labels, it might be a good idea to also include some sort of summarizing graphic that summarizes the information at a glance.  Like lot of labels already do, actually. It terrifies me that there are sinister entities communicating secretly to each other through seemingly innocuous web articles. Guess it's time to buy another gun.


Good choice. Guns are low in fat, and contain almost no cholesterol.
 
2013-03-16 11:36:05 AM  
Wait, so fast food is "bad" for you now?!

I can't keep up with all scientific mumbo-jumbo. Please help us Federal Government, you're our only hope.
 
2013-03-16 11:36:23 AM  
Good lord.  Requiring calorie information is fine.  I look at it when I'm at restaurants, sometimes I'm surprised by the amount of calories in a dish and it occasionally affects my order.

This is just insulting, though.  There's a big difference between being expected to provide consumers with information and providing them with a cartoonish value judgment.
 
2013-03-16 11:36:44 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


how many people die from second hand eating?

I fully support your right to smoke on private property but your right to do so on public property ends where someone else's right to not die from second hand smoke begins
The only regulation on private businesses should be a requirement to post a big sign on the front door to let customers know that the business allows people to smoke inside it  so customers can make an informed choice
cue
 
2013-03-16 11:36:53 AM  

Pocket Ninja:  Guess it's time to buy another gun cheeseburger.

 
2013-03-16 11:37:35 AM  
I have no problem with this. Obesity is an issue, if this helps with that what's the big deal? You're still free to eat that triple burger with eight slices of bacon, six types of cheese and a plate full of gravy fries if you wish.
 
2013-03-16 11:37:59 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


I will. Thank you. 

I don't mind indulging every now and then, but if I glance at the menu and notice 'holy shiat...this quesadilla that I expected to have 800 calories actually somehow has 1700...wtf, did they infuse it with lard or something?', I will likely back off. And my waistline will thank me later.

And a picture would make that process even quicker.
 
2013-03-16 11:40:16 AM  
Restaurant grading has been around since the 60s.

Antiregulators will only be happy when not even the prices appear on the menu.

www.nypost.com
 
2013-03-16 11:40:56 AM  

lesliessexxy: Have we as Americans really become so .... I can't even think of the word(s) to describe it ... stupid? that we have to color code EVERYTHING?
If it has 4 patties, 3 layers of cheese, and 40,000 fries, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR YOU.


What a lot of people don't understand is just how bad for you seemingly typical restaurant meals are.

After California started requiring calorie counts on menus, I was surprised to see Friday's Jack Daniels burgers...a typical 1 patty burger with a sweet Jack Daniels "barbecue-style" sauce...come in at 1500 calories. With fries and a couple of refills of coke, you're going to be closer to 2500 calories than 2000. That's more calories than most Farkers need in a day. I realized they weren't great for you, what I didn't realize was just how bad they were for you.
 
2013-03-16 11:41:52 AM  
All this will do is encourage gaming of the ingredients to fit whatever bullshiat metric determines what a 'yellow' light would be.  It will mean more salt or sugar et al in things that don't need it.
 
2013-03-16 11:42:14 AM  
So if your meal is a 'Yellow Light', do you speed up or slow down?

What if the fatty at the table next to you runs a 'Red Light' meal?
 
2013-03-16 11:42:27 AM  
t1.gstatic.com

Have you done your excersise for today, citizen? Jumping jacks all together now 1 2 3 4...
For the greater good, right farklibs?
 
2013-03-16 11:42:48 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Huh. There must be some hidden language in the article talking about the government passing new regulations, similar to those hidden messages on road signs that are designed to help the UN invade America. To my eyes, this article was talking about some scientists suggesting that since caloric numbers are already required on labels, it might be a good idea to also include some sort of summarizing graphic that summarizes the information at a glance.  Like lot of labels already do, actually. It terrifies me that there are sinister entities communicating secretly to each other through seemingly innocuous web articles. Guess it's time to buy another gun.


You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.
 
2013-03-16 11:43:24 AM  
I'm OK with the law requiring nutritional content, although that is counter to my Libertarian roots. It helps me make the right eating decisions when eating out, therefore I will eat out a LOT more rather than buy and grow my own food. Restaurants win.

But that's enough information, no traffic signals and so forth!
 
2013-03-16 11:43:56 AM  
I can dig this idea. It doesn't seem too pushy yet it's letting you know exactly what you are getting into.
 
2013-03-16 11:44:14 AM  

BitwiseShift: Restaurant grading has been around since the 60s.

Antiregulators will only be happy when not even the prices appear on the menu.

[www.nypost.com image 300x200]


sadly not around here 8-(
Here it's the luck of the draw - every man for himself.
Subby, you do realize the US isn't #1 in literacy anymore right?
we've devolved into pict-o-grams - again *sigh*
 
2013-03-16 11:44:47 AM  
...but they'd probably just eat that too.
 
2013-03-16 11:45:58 AM  
I love knowing how many calories are in things. It keeps me from getting fat. I haven't had McDonalds french fries in years (a guilty pleasure) because I know the calorie count. Whatever will help me from gaining too much weight is wonderful.
 
2013-03-16 11:48:25 AM  
Good intentions, but I predict this food warning system is going to be precisely as effective as this has been in preventing smoking:

upload.wikimedia.org

Let's face it, we're human beings and we want to do things we like and who gives a crap about the consequences?  Drink, smoke, eat, gamble, fark around, YOLO, amirite?  It's human nature, and all the finger-wagging in the world isn't going to fix it.
 
2013-03-16 11:48:53 AM  

Alphax: You know, that's not a bad idea.

I'm guessing that Wendy's Baconator will trigger a red light, but I'll have one on occasion anyway.




i.imgur.com

I'd go to the red light food district to get face deep in her baconator anytime.
 
2013-03-16 11:49:06 AM  
Military chow halls already do this.  I have been eating nothing but "green" foods for several months (with a few exceptions now and then) and have lost 20 pounds.
 
2013-03-16 11:50:53 AM  

lesliessexxy: Have we as Americans really become so .... I can't even think of the word(s) to describe it ... stupid? that we have to color code EVERYTHING?

If it has 4 patties, 3 layers of cheese, and 40,000 fries, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR YOU.


Not stupid, just busybody do-gooders that treat everyone else as children, who would do what they're told if you just tell them it's a "no-no" food.
 
2013-03-16 11:51:06 AM  
The thing about free markets is that they operate best with complete information.  That's microeconomics 101.  I fail to see why people biatch about calorie counts in food.

That said, the whole red/green light etc. thing is farking stupid.
 
2013-03-16 11:52:12 AM  

insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.


The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.
 
2013-03-16 11:52:23 AM  

Badafuco: So if your meal is a 'Yellow Light', do you speed up or slow down?

What if the fatty at the table next to you runs a 'Red Light' meal?


Red light cameras. Pictures posted publicly to shame fattys.
 
2013-03-16 11:55:05 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Considering how many Farkers whine about missing 'NSFW" tags because "not safe for work" is too complicated for them, I can understand the reasoning for this idea.


I think it's cute when the headline refers to tranny rim jobs, and some schmuck thinks the thread is sfw to begin with.
 
2013-03-16 11:56:17 AM  
I'm glad I live in a red state! I can have all of the guns, cheeseburgers, sugary drinks, steaks, peanuts, strippers and prime rib I want.

/ dietary restrictions for some; steak and exercise for others
 
2013-03-16 11:56:42 AM  
I learned everything about nutrition fron Garfield (the cat, not the president). Diet is "die" with a "t" on the end.

Oh, that Garfield. What a cat!
 
2013-03-16 11:57:06 AM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


Dude, next time preface your post with a "not safe for brains", or something.  I read it unknowingly, and now I have a nosebleed.
 
2013-03-16 11:57:17 AM  
And most of these juke jive dumbass busybodies could really benefit from about fifty cracks across the bare ass with a stiff leather belt.

I am sick to death of these self--appointed asshats who want to dictate what kind of light bulbs I may use in my home, hot much soda pop I may have in my cup, what kind of toilet I may install in my bathroom, what kind of appliances I may have in my kitchen, how big a car I may drive, how much salt I may put on my burger, ad infinitum ad nauseam.

I wish they would all go away and shut up, or at least get a life.
 
2013-03-16 11:57:19 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?


Yes.

Much in the way that I'm okay with men and women having sex with men or women, but not children or llamas, laws and regulations are not part of an all-or-nothing arena.  Smokers can stay the hell out of the bar, thank you, and I had better see detailed nutritional information when I'm at the supermarket.  Plastic bag bans and caloric information right on the menu?  Not really a big fan of those.  In the case of menus, I'd rather have that information available by request or (in the case of fast food places) posted on the wall by the condiments, like they're starting to do now.  It's a balancing act between what's good, what's sensible, and how much it affects the autonomy of people/businesses.

That said, I'd like to see more rational serving sizes on nutritional information.  If I buy a single-serving bag of chips, why the hell would the nutritional information be for 2/5ths of a bag?

Well, to mislead consumers who are bad with numbers, which sort-of leads back into the premise of the article.
 
2013-03-16 11:58:24 AM  

Fano: BarkingUnicorn: Considering how many Farkers whine about missing 'NSFW" tags because "not safe for work" is too complicated for them, I can understand the reasoning for this idea.

I think it's cute when the headline refers to tranny rim jobs, and some schmuck thinks the thread is sfw to begin with.


I really wonder about such people.  Do they rely on some script that scans for "nsfw" to click on links for them?
 
2013-03-16 12:00:25 PM  
Totally fine with calorie counts on chain restaurant menus. That's just good information.
 
2013-03-16 12:02:38 PM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


So we're headed toward a totalitarian government that effectively controls every aspect of our daily lives, but isn't very efficient and ultimately fails because they can't do anything right. Got it.

/make up your farking mind
 
2013-03-16 12:04:36 PM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


It's not the gov't that is going to be dictating all of that it's your insurance company.

Passport offices have always been surprisingly efficient when I have used them.
 
2013-03-16 12:04:40 PM  
This won't help. Heck, they changed crosswalk signals from the words "Walk" and "Don't Walk" to universal symbols for walk and don't walk and people have trouble understanding that.

What they need is a Sam Kinison impersonator in every restaurant to loudly berate anyone ordering a Super Duper Nacho Cheese and acon covered Blooming Onion
 
2013-03-16 12:05:12 PM  
What a red light may look like:

What a red light may look like: a bacon cheeseburger with two patties, four strips of bacon and four glazed donuts for buns.
 
2013-03-16 12:05:52 PM  
Food that is sold is designed to make a profit not to be nutritious. That means selling the cheapest ingredients for the maximum price - and pumping as much salt, sugar, flavours and msg in them as possible to make them tasty. If you want food that is actually good for you, then you have to prepare it yourself.
 
2013-03-16 12:05:57 PM  
Oh for crissakes! Stop with the dumbing down of society already! Will there be an explaination of the meaning of each light?
Those burgers look good and since I have a healthy diet and lifestyle I can enjoy them once in awhile.
 
2013-03-16 12:05:57 PM  
Damn, farked that up.
 
2013-03-16 12:06:13 PM  
Ugh, that should say bacon covered.
 
2013-03-16 12:07:22 PM  

Krieghund: After California started requiring calorie counts on menus, I was surprised to see Friday's Jack Daniels burgers...a typical 1 patty burger with a sweet Jack Daniels "barbecue-style" sauce...come in at 1500 calories. With fries and a couple of refills of coke, you're going to be closer to 2500 calories than 2000.


Who cares? If you are concerned about counting calories or your diet in general you should only be eating restaurant burgers occasionally, that's just common sense.
 
2013-03-16 12:08:18 PM  
Tells you where we are going if you need charts to point things out to people.
Evidently the dumbing down of the population is in high gear.
Citizens you must adhere to our rules, we only make them for your own good !
 
2013-03-16 12:12:44 PM  

olddinosaur: And most of these juke jive dumbass busybodies could really benefit from about fifty cracks across the bare ass with a stiff leather belt.

I am sick to death of these self--appointed asshats who want to dictate what kind of light bulbs I may use in my home, hot much soda pop I may have in my cup, what kind of toilet I may install in my bathroom, what kind of appliances I may have in my kitchen, how big a car I may drive, how much salt I may put on my burger, ad infinitum ad nauseam.

I wish they would all go away and shut up, or at least get a life.



They are the new guardians of morality for our new era.  The age of the fire-and-brimstone preacher is passing away, and this new breed of moralizing Pharisees is rising to take their place.  Their principles and rules are different than the old ones, but the desire to see everyone be a "good" person and do what is "right" is just as strong as ever.
 
2013-03-16 12:15:07 PM  

born_yesterday: Dude, next time preface your post with a "not safe for brains", or something.  I read it unknowingly, and now I have a nosebleed.


And yet you seem to not have any reasonable response to it.  This is what is so typical.  I can't argue the point so I'll just resort to calling them names.
Ron Paul?  He's INSANE!  Why?  Well...just...I mean, everyone knows that right guys?  I mean I watch the Daily Show, I'm informed about this stuff...
 
2013-03-16 12:15:42 PM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


What is it with conservatives and fear? Why do you need fear?
 
2013-03-16 12:16:46 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: What is it with conservatives and fear? Why do you need fear?


Once again, I ask that you please respond directly to my points.
 
2013-03-16 12:17:39 PM  

johnny queso: It's not the gov't that is going to be dictating all of that it's your insurance company.


This is what liberals actually believe?   I'm the ignorant one?
 
2013-03-16 12:20:55 PM  
If you hate the damn government telling you not to smoke in other people's faces, or coming in with their dumb environmental regulations, you are welcome to go somewhere like China where people can not breathe the air or drink the water. The Yangtze River is now a cesspool. The pollution is so bad it regularly shuts down the Beijing airport because no one can see. "Hazardous" particulate pollution levels are 25 ppm, Los Angeles is like 15, it gets up to 1,000 in Beijing. Then they need to do drastic things like tell people they can only drive every other day. To prevent that, I'll accept some environmental regulations.

Ironically, China is a communist dictatorship, that allows unfettered pollution. America is a democracy that limits certain things for the greater good and to prevent the tragedy of the commons -- "Well, I should be allowed to use whatever light bulbs I want -- but we collectively should stop using so much energy and enriching terrorists in the middle east."

No one wants to be told what to do. But the costs of allowing 320 million idiots to do whatever they want (smoke in public, drive drunk, dump chemicals in the groundwater, use gas like it's water, eat like pigs then get treated for obesity/heart attacks on the public dime, etc.) are just too high.
 
2013-03-16 12:21:08 PM  
I find it hard to believe that anybody is confused by a simple listing of the number of calories.  it would seem to provide more useful info than a graphical traffic light.
 
2013-03-16 12:22:35 PM  

ExpressPork: johnny queso: It's not the gov't that is going to be dictating all of that it's your insurance company.

This is what liberals actually believe?   I'm the ignorant one?


No and yes.
 
2013-03-16 12:26:42 PM  

born_yesterday: No and yes.


Why?
Why can no one respond to anything I say besides calling me names? Is the overwhelming need to feel "right" actually drowning out your common sense and ability to think critically?
 
2013-03-16 12:27:01 PM  

born_yesterday: ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.

Dude, next time preface your post with a "not safe for brains", or something.  I read it unknowingly, and now I have a nosebleed.


I bet you do a lot of stuff unknowingly.
 
2013-03-16 12:27:58 PM  

ExpressPork: johnny queso: It's not the gov't that is going to be dictating all of that it's your insurance company.

This is what liberals actually believe?   I'm the ignorant one?


Whom do you think is asking the government to do this stuff?

This is what drives me nuts. People act as though "government" is some amorphous being that exists solely to make your life difficult. It's a bunch of people, who do things because other people ask them to, and that happens because those people are being asked to spend money in ways they don't agree with. Insurance companies want to minimize their claim expenses.
 
2013-03-16 12:29:43 PM  
More stupidity; not surprised. It might be useful, though, if it was - instead of giving its opinion of how  healthy the food supposedly is for you - to warn you of what each item might do to your digestive tract.  That might be worth the trouble, expense, and silliness of it all.
 
2013-03-16 12:31:09 PM  

iheartscotch: I'm glad I live in a red state! I can have all of the guns, cheeseburgers, sugary drinks, steaks, peanuts, strippers and prime rib I want.

/ dietary restrictions for some; steak and exercise for others


Ehhh... Enjoy it while it lasts. Population growth is highest in them due to the economy. Only a matter of time before the failed staters move in and take over.
 
2013-03-16 12:31:48 PM  

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Wait, so fast food is "bad" for you now?!

I can't keep up with all scientific mumbo-jumbo. Please help us Federal Government, you're our only hope.


You sound fat.
 
2013-03-16 12:36:48 PM  
"That's good news, because this is exactly who the government is trying to reach with this information," Ellison said. "However, labels of any form, so long as they are relatively easy to understand, are likely to have the largest impact on less health-conscious diners, because the information is new to these individuals."

Jesus F'ing Christ.  That is one elitist coont.  My poor, non-professor, simple brain needs simple info, especially since I have never before seen calorie information.  Oh wait, I think I have seen such info since at least the 1980s.  Perhaps not on restaurant menus but on plenty of other labels.

One thing in the article was interesting and that was the claim that 40% of meals are consumed outside the home.  That is a little surprising to me, at least if they mean in restaurants.  If they are including brown bag lunches eaten at work, or school provided lunches, then I can see it.  Otherwise it seems like an insanely high number.  I think my family is pretty typical (I suppose we all think that about ourselves) and we eat out about twice a month.  Far from 40% of meals.  Yes, the kids eat in the cafeteria at school daily and I bring last nights leftovers to work for lunch each day but those meals are similar to meals at home in terms of their healthiness.
 
2013-03-16 12:41:02 PM  
Why not just have a cartoon couple throughout the menu.  When the meal is healthy the couple is in shape and as it gets more unhealthy they get fatter until on the really bad ones they die from heart attacks.
 
2013-03-16 12:44:24 PM  

whistleridge: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!

I will. Thank you. 

I don't mind indulging every now and then, but if I glance at the menu and notice 'holy shiat...this quesadilla that I expected to have 800 calories actually somehow has 1700...wtf, did they infuse it with lard or something?', I will likely back off. And my waistline will thank me later.

And a picture would make that process even quicker.


It would take about 8 tablespoons of lard to add that many calories.

/mostly carbohydrates are to blame
 
2013-03-16 12:45:51 PM  
Around here there is an expansion of this actually works quite well in practice - it rates them based on calories, fat, sugar, salt (and a fifth thing I am forgetting), you can quickly compare a bunch of items broadly with a glance. It also tends to pressure the makers into keeping under certain levels that are fixed to avoid going into the next color band, where historically the amount of salt/sugar/fat tends to climb over time as people become habituated to higher levels.
 
2013-03-16 12:46:40 PM  
I was much happier when I didn't know how many calories were in a slice of pizza at Wegman's.
 
2013-03-16 12:46:54 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Jesus F'ing Christ. That is one elitist coont. My poor, non-professor, simple brain needs simple info, especially since I have never before seen calorie information. Oh wait, I think I have seen such info since at least the 1980s. Perhaps not on restaurant menus but on plenty of other labels.


And what about the colorblind?  Are we going to just sit here letting them eat their red-labeled tub of lard?

This system is prejudiced.
 
2013-03-16 12:47:21 PM  

ExpressPork: born_yesterday: No and yes.

Why?
Why can no one respond to anything I say besides calling me names? Is the overwhelming need to feel "right" actually drowning out your common sense and ability to think critically?


Welcome to Fark?    Am I doing it right?

More seriously, in the short term, eating fatty, high calorie foods can be very rewarding.   Because, hey, your body still thinks it lives in a paleolithic era and that food is uncertain and that your chances of dying from starvation vastly outweighs any long term diabetes or arteriosclerosis.

So really, "ME WANT FOOD" is the primordial argument behind any hostility and any one of the semi-rational arguments being thrown out there.    In fact, I'll be mentally imagining an angry caveman jumping up and screaming out any negative responses I get to this post.
 
2013-03-16 12:50:28 PM  
www.nhpco.org
 
2013-03-16 12:51:05 PM  
I actually wouldn't mind this. People have the right to know exactly what they're putting in their bodies, so that they can make a real, informed decision. After they've been informed, it's completely up to them.

Making that information easily accessible is important.
 
2013-03-16 12:52:21 PM  

farkdd: If you hate the damn government telling you not to smoke in other people's faces, or coming in with their dumb environmental regulations, you are welcome to go somewhere like China where people can not breathe the air or drink the water. The Yangtze River is now a cesspool. The pollution is so bad it regularly shuts down the Beijing airport because no one can see. "Hazardous" particulate pollution levels are 25 ppm, Los Angeles is like 15, it gets up to 1,000 in Beijing. Then they need to do drastic things like tell people they can only drive every other day. To prevent that, I'll accept some environmental regulations.

Ironically, China is a communist dictatorship, that allows unfettered pollution. America is a democracy that limits certain things for the greater good and to prevent the tragedy of the commons -- "Well, I should be allowed to use whatever light bulbs I want -- but we collectively should stop using so much energy and enriching terrorists in the middle east."

No one wants to be told what to do. But the costs of allowing 320 million idiots to do whatever they want (smoke in public, drive drunk, dump chemicals in the groundwater, use gas like it's water, eat like pigs then get treated for obesity/heart attacks on the public dime, etc.) are just too high.


Your color shall be orange. The greens and blues are taken.
 
2013-03-16 12:52:53 PM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


The DMV in my area is underfunded due to the right-wingers running the place, yet I still managed to renew my license, plates, and registration all at the same desk, after a 10 minute wait, during the 'busy' part of the mourning.

That's uh, one?

Anyway, you loonies on the right are paranoid pussies, in general, constantly screaming chicken-littles.  It makes you look loony when you say that a restructuring of the way employers provide health insurance, utilizing private insurance companies, is going to invariably lead to a ban on skydiving.

Oh, who was in control of my health care pre 'obamacare?" The insurance company. Who will be in 100% control of my health care in 2014? The insurance company. Your chickelittle scream of terror is so frustrating.
 
2013-03-16 01:11:05 PM  

darwinpolice: Good lord.  Requiring calorie information is fine.  I look at it when I'm at restaurants, sometimes I'm surprised by the amount of calories in a dish and it occasionally affects my order.

This is just insulting, though.  There's a big difference between being expected to provide consumers with information and providing them with a cartoonish

Graphic Novel Level  value judgment.

Fixed
 
2013-03-16 01:14:24 PM  
Nevermind, misread the headline. The traffic light is stupid. Requiring calorie counts isn't stupid.
 
2013-03-16 01:15:00 PM  
FirstNationalBastard is my new idol.

I mean, they gotta do something. Folks don't learn. I've never seen so many fat folks in my life and the number of chubby kids is just appalling.

The diet business has exploded. Grocery stores have these enormous sections of diet food. (Less ingredients, higher price.) Though, as one side pushes for people to stop chowing down like pigs at the trough, the other side (usually the restaurants) are busily developing these high calorie foods that taste so darn good -- and are so bad for you.

Then there's those TV shows which feature places serving up truck sized hamburgers, hotdogs buried under a ton of chili and sauces, steaks that require two servers to haul them in and the guys who constantly look for new things to dip in batter and deep fry.

Like candy bars, ice cream and bread.

We use so much grease and oil in the restaurant business that an entire, secondary industry has formed using the old stuff to make biofuels and soaps.

Hauling away the stuff was once paid for by the restaurants. Now, grease recyclers fight each other and pay the restaurant to take their cast-offs.

I wear a medium T-shirt. Going to buy new ones has gotten to be a pain in the arse. The racks are piled high with small, large, XL, XXL and XXXL. (I think a new size: WHALE is coming.)

Growing up, I saw very few fat folks on the streets but then again, we didn't have fast food places on nearly every corner. The frozen food sections of the grocery stores were not packed with microwave meals. Nor did we have entire aisles of crunchy snacks. (Frito-Lay had not been thought of yet.) TV was not full of commercials promoting assorted burger joints and kid's meals.

Folks will not listen.

I watched part of a game show the other night. Ten people. Five on each team. Two of the ten were thin. Everyone else ranged from plump to fat. Four were Registered Nurses and they were fat.

I'm starting to hate going to Wal-Mart. You can be nearly flabbed to death there and they need to make the aisles wider because the shoppers are wider. Going to the deli can make me hysterical as a sea of flab just crashes against the glass display cases and pudgy hands and arms are grabbing for bags heavily packed with greasy foods.

I keep expecting to come upon the picked clean bones of some skinny guy, discarded under a rack of XXL clothing after having gotten between fat folks and their chilled racks of packaged deli food.

The style for young women at the mall seems to be tight jeans -- with a wide arse --, tank top -- over the muffin top, and hair pulled back into a knot at the back of the head. The extra flab draws the muscles of their faces down, so they look perpetually pi$$ed.

The same with guys. Just add baseball caps glued to their heads, knee length shorts from the past century and big sneakers. Also, huge, baggy Sports Jersey's.

There's almost always some guy over 6 feet tall, nearly as wide, stumping along and you get out of his way because you just know something that heavy takes awhile to stop.

However, you can't rag on these people like you did smokers. You might hurt their feelings, violate their civil rights and restrict their freedoms.

Hey! Isn't that what YOU did to smokers?
 
2013-03-16 01:16:40 PM  
I'm in Germany right now for work. You know what they don't have everywhere? Low fat this. Low fat that. You get 3.5% or 1.5% milk. The cheese and ice cream have consistency of fresh butter but taste amazing. And bacon and eggs and pretty much anything pork is amazing.

And I have yet to see one massive German yet. (On the scale of a walmart scooter needed). Not a single one. Perhaps it's because they eat small portions. As in a roll, some 2 eggs and a few pieces of bacon. A denny's grand slam could feed 4 over here.

 And they farking bike/walk EVERYWHERE local. Need to go a mile to dinner? Lets walk. Commute to work on a bike.
 
2013-03-16 01:21:23 PM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


Points and laughs at ExpressPork.
 
2013-03-16 01:22:44 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


"The Slippery Slope" does not exist, fascist.  One thing never leads to another, and changes are never cumulative, and the frog always jumps out of the slowly warming water because snopes and obama.
 
2013-03-16 01:22:58 PM  
Keep all this horrible information away from ME!
 
2013-03-16 01:23:23 PM  

buckler: [www.nhpco.org image 850x229]


That guy likes it to hurt a little bit.  Kinky.
 
2013-03-16 01:36:54 PM  

ExpressPork: the greater good


farkdd: the greater good


SHUT IT!
 
2013-03-16 01:40:31 PM  
If you're a grownup and can't keep yourself from destroying your own body, don't expect me to chip in for the bigger coffin.
 
2013-03-16 01:48:37 PM  
Ate a 900 Calorie salad at the Fox and Hound. I needed no pictures to tell me that the salad was calorie intensive.  Damn it was good and the female server in Yoga pants had nice glutes.
 
2013-03-16 01:50:09 PM  

Warlordtrooper: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

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You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


how many people die from second hand eating?


I fully support your right to smoke on private property but your right to do so on public property ends where someone else's right to not die from second hand smoke begins

The only regulation on private businesses should be a requirement to post a big sign on the front door to let customers know that the business allows people to smoke inside it  so customers can make an informed choice

cue


The very fact that smoking is the target of the bans and not the second hand smoke indicates that the intent is to eliminate smoking and not the second hand smoke. I have for the past 20 years since the beginning of the antismoker nutjobs starting spouting their lies have advocated for the laws to ban second hand smoke and not smoking. It would solve the problem as stated while at the same time allowing entrepeneurs to come up with devices to contain the smoke. Jobs can be created, smokers get to smoke, and dooshbags that want hang out with smokers in bars and biatch about the smoke can breathe smoke free air.

 
2013-03-16 01:51:09 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


Yeah when they were targeting the smokers who blew smoke in my face, they were great.
DURP
 
2013-03-16 01:52:04 PM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


If the government is so inefficient, the we need to get rid of the military and outsource it to corporations who can do it cheaper and efficiently with Chinese slave labor.

Also, Medicare and social security should be sold off to the lowest bidder, as I am sure that no private investment bank or insurance company will put the needs of their clients ahead of their bottom line.


You know what, fark it all. How about instead of a government, we replace it with an efficient private company, like Comcast or Bank of America. I am sure that they will treat everyone the same, even those that are not profitable.

You are a farking child, go back and play with your blocks while the adults have a discussion.
 
2013-03-16 01:53:05 PM  

Jeep2011: Ate a 900 Calorie salad at the Fox and Hound. I needed no pictures to tell me that the salad was calorie intensive.  Damn it was good and the female server in Yoga pants had nice glutes.


900 x 3 is only 2700
 
2013-03-16 02:02:18 PM  

ExpressPork: Mambo Bananapatch: What is it with conservatives and fear? Why do you need fear?

Once again, I ask that you please respond directly to my points.


I think your points are delusional, and borne of fear. So I ask you, why do you need so much fear? What's the payoff?
 
2013-03-16 02:06:57 PM  

Dedmon: ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.

The DMV in my area is underfunded due to the right-wingers running the place, yet I still managed to renew my license, plates, and registration all at the same desk, after a 10 minute wait, during the 'busy' part of the mourning.

That's uh, one?

Anyway, you loonies on the right are paranoid pussies, in general, constantly screaming chicken-littles.  It makes you look loony when you say that a restructuring of the way employers provide health insurance, utilizing private insurance companies, is going to invariably lead to a ban on skydiving.

Oh, who was in control of my health care pre 'obamac ...


You really believe that under Obamacare the insurance companies will be in 100% control of your healthcare?  No government requirements that the insurance companies must follow, no new rules for a person to adhere to, no government fees/taxes -- just your insurance company, making all the decisions about what your coverage must consist of, who must be covered, etc?
 
2013-03-16 02:11:39 PM  
While I agree that sometimes the whole 'nanny state' thing gets absurd at times, I also believe that it wouldn't be as much of an issue if the whole 'nanny state' mentality wasn't pitted against a food industry hell bent on hiding the presence of the shiat they put in their food, or its lack of nutritional value, just to make it cheap.
 
2013-03-16 02:19:19 PM  
meant "borne"
 
2013-03-16 02:22:09 PM  

RickN99: Dedmon: ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.

The DMV in my area is underfunded due to the right-wingers running the place, yet I still managed to renew my license, plates, and registration all at the same desk, after a 10 minute wait, during the 'busy' part of the mourning.

That's uh, one?

Anyway, you loonies on the right are paranoid pussies, in general, constantly screaming chicken-littles.  It makes you look loony when you say that a restructuring of the way employers provide health insurance, utilizing private insurance companies, is going to invariably lead to a ban on skydiving.

Oh, who was in control of my health care pre 'obamac ...

You really believe that under Obamacare the insurance companies will be in 100% control of your healthcare?  No government requirements that the insurance companies must follow, no new rules for a person to adhere to, no government fees/taxes -- just your insurance company, making all the decisions about what your coverage must consist of, who must be covered, etc?


Let me guess, you think that business exists to do things that are in the customer's best interest due to a profit motive and that government exists to do things that are in government's best interest because there is no profit.

I am also going to assume that you have never had a real job and have had a business transaction with anyone other than the imaginary voices in your head,
 
2013-03-16 02:25:06 PM  
Is the government perfect? No.

Will a for-profit corporation large enough and as powerful as the government be better or worse? (Hint: think of Bank of America or Comcast, and how terrible their customer service is, and how they screw people over, and how they're so big that one side of the business can't access your account because it's in some other department, and multiply that by 1,000.) So the answer is: much, much worse.
 
2013-03-16 02:33:17 PM  

farkdd: Is the government perfect? No.

Will a for-profit corporation large enough and as powerful as the government be better or worse? (Hint: think of Bank of America or Comcast, and how terrible their customer service is, and how they screw people over, and how they're so big that one side of the business can't access your account because it's in some other department, and multiply that by 1,000.) So the answer is: much, much worse.



Are those the only two possible options?  Either a government that wipes your butt OR lawless chaos?  Are there no possible alternatives other than those two extremes?
 
2013-03-16 02:43:04 PM  

GilRuiz1: farkdd: Is the government perfect? No.

Will a for-profit corporation large enough and as powerful as the government be better or worse? (Hint: think of Bank of America or Comcast, and how terrible their customer service is, and how they screw people over, and how they're so big that one side of the business can't access your account because it's in some other department, and multiply that by 1,000.) So the answer is: much, much worse.


Are those the only two possible options?  Either a government that wipes your butt OR lawless chaos?  Are there no possible alternatives other than those two extremes?


If you leave it up to tribal and territorial monkeys, then yes.
 
2013-03-16 02:44:57 PM  

GilRuiz1: farkdd: Is the government perfect? No.

Will a for-profit corporation large enough and as powerful as the government be better or worse? (Hint: think of Bank of America or Comcast, and how terrible their customer service is, and how they screw people over, and how they're so big that one side of the business can't access your account because it's in some other department, and multiply that by 1,000.) So the answer is: much, much worse.


Are those the only two possible options?  Either a government that wipes your butt OR lawless chaos?  Are there no possible alternatives other than those two extremes?


No, we could have the system we have now, which is what lots of people in this thread are complaining about. =)
 
2013-03-16 02:51:59 PM  

GilRuiz1: farkdd: Is the government perfect? No.

Will a for-profit corporation large enough and as powerful as the government be better or worse? (Hint: think of Bank of America or Comcast, and how terrible their customer service is, and how they screw people over, and how they're so big that one side of the business can't access your account because it's in some other department, and multiply that by 1,000.) So the answer is: much, much worse.


Are those the only two possible options?  Either a government that wipes your butt OR lawless chaos?  Are there no possible alternatives other than those two extremes?


Well, if you look back on the history of American business, you'd find that the reason government started wiping people's butts is that the people were no longer willing to tolerate the lawless chaos and demanded something be done about it.

And if you're wondering why it has to go to the extent that it does to wipe people's butts, well, congratulations to you that you don't need it. Now, pop in to your closest Wal-Mart and look around a little at the people who are there, and think about how many of those people shouldn't have ever been let out alone in public, and then maybe you'll realize how we got to where we are.
 
2013-03-16 03:04:57 PM  

darkscout: I'm in Germany right now for work. You know what they don't have everywhere? Low fat this. Low fat that. You get 3.5% or 1.5% milk. The cheese and ice cream have consistency of fresh butter but taste amazing. And bacon and eggs and pretty much anything pork is amazing.

And I have yet to see one massive German yet. (On the scale of a walmart scooter needed). Not a single one. Perhaps it's because they eat small portions. As in a roll, some 2 eggs and a few pieces of bacon. A denny's grand slam could feed 4 over here.

 And they farking bike/walk EVERYWHERE local. Need to go a mile to dinner? Lets walk. Commute to work on a bike.


Or maybe the food costs a lot more there?
 
2013-03-16 03:23:42 PM  

Ivo Shandor: How about putting a scale of 1 to 4 Hoverounds next to each menu item, like they do with chili peppers for spicy dishes?


Upvoted by three greasy sweaty hoverrounds.
 
2013-03-16 03:27:16 PM  

The universe is laughing behind your back: And if you're wondering why it has to go to the extent that it does to wipe people's butts, well, congratulations to you that you don't need it. Now, pop in to your closest Wal-Mart and look around a little at the people who are there, and think about how many of those people shouldn't have ever been let out alone in public, and then maybe you'll realize how we got to where we are.


That's right. It's easy to say "But *I* make good choices, I don't want the government making them for me!" But a whole lot of people make really bad choices, choices that are dangerous for others, or choices we all must end up paying for (at least if we don't want to step over people literally dying in emergency room parking lots).*

So in the perfect world, if everyone had half a brain, we wouldn't need the government to step in with these annoying rules. But in this world, where Paris Hilton is famous and people eat at a place called Heart Attack Grill  after the spokesman for the restaurant died of a heart attack, we need some guidelines to help herd the sheep a little bit.


* It's worth noting that most of these drugged-out, overweight, uneducated, smoking, drunk-driving, texting-while-driving, teen single moms will also claim that they make good choices and don't want the government making choices for them. That's part of the deal with making poor choices, it also often comes with an inability to differentiate between good choices and bad ones.
 
2013-03-16 03:30:56 PM  

"A downside to the Affordable Care Act legislation as currently proposed is that it just provides a number," she said. "If we've learned anything about consumers, it's that people often operate under time constraints and are very convenience oriented. Not every restaurant diner has time to read, or even wants to read, the number of calories listed for each menu item.


There's one of the things Nancy Pelosi was talking about when she said we had to pass the bill in order to find out what was in it. The ACA thinks the federal government ought to be in charge of restaurant menus now. And it's STILL not enough.We've gone beyond the nanny state, now we've got the nagging biatch mother-in-law state, no doubt soon to transition to the do-whatever-we-say-and-put-a-smile-on-your-face-or-else state.

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2013-03-16 03:32:49 PM  

farkdd: help herd the sheep a little bit


A very interesting phrase to have used.
 
2013-03-16 03:36:03 PM  
Uhm, doesn't food come color coded in general? Meat is red, green stuff is green. This will be as effective as common sense.
 
2013-03-16 04:05:10 PM  

anarchy_x: Or maybe the food costs a lot more there?


Not sure where this rumor started but everywhere I visited it's flat out not true. I mean we don't have any cheap junk food but the real food doesn't cost any more. Especially if you shop local.

And stuff like candy...  A candy bar in the US $1. A candy bar in Germany $1. But the German one is loads better. (Not in the calorie department either).

Then there is 'fast food'.  For $1 a scoop I can get ice cream in the super market that is in a class above anything you can buy in the US. Even old Breyers. They have a bratwurst stand outside almost every 'big box' store (most are about 1/2 the size of most Home Depots). For $2.50 I can get a 12" bratwurst with curry and a piece of bread (currywurst).

And it's nowhere close when it comes to 'work place' food. The place I work has food that rivals 3-4 star restaurants in the US. Prepared right in front of you. Chicken with red/green bell pepper sauce over rice. AMAZING stuff. $5. For $5 in my cafeteria at work in the US You can may be get a reheated burger that was 'pre cooked' and some french fries.

And Sweden is nuts they LOVE their bulk candy. Every single supermarket I went into had bulk candy for $.50/lb.

And obviously the Coke does taste different/better it's it's all sugar and not HFCS. (The germans didn't believe us so we got dixie cups and all of the Americans took blind a blind test).
 
2013-03-16 04:11:13 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, weren't all these regulations and laws and taxes just WONDERFUL when they were only targeting the nasty old smokers?

You farkers asked for it. Enjoy!


This,
 
2013-03-16 04:42:52 PM  

ExpressPork: insano: You have to read between the lines like subby. He knows what this article is really saying; It's a call to arms! See, first there are graphics summarizing the nutritional content of foods, next Obummer is telling you what you can and can't eat, next they're stealing your babies in the middle of the night to be raised in food awareness indoctrination camps where they eat only tofu and bulger wheat and recite nutritional labels.

You are right to purchase a firearm.

The reason us "loonies" on the right get upset over this type of thing is that we're not idiots and we can see what it will eventually become.  You're incredibly ignorant if you don't understand what the "affordable care act" will allow the government to do and what it implies.  It will eventually be the left's argument that the ironically named "affordable care act" gives them license to tell you what you can eat, how much you must exercise, if you're allowed to participate in "extreme" sports, if you're allowed toride a motorcycle and if so, how much you're allowed to drive it.  It will never end.  You're naive if you don't see it coming.
Furthermore, if there is a Government entity that runs efficiently I dont know of it.  You put the same people in charge of the DMV in charge of your health.  By the time you're elderly you will be filling out a 27B-stroke-6 if you want to take an aspirin.


You never actually  read the ACA, did you?
 
2013-03-16 05:26:03 PM  
That is retarded because what is healthy for one may not be healthy for another.

Example: canned beans. High in sodium, but otherwise really healthy. If a person doesn't have hypertension or anything like that, they are fine. If said person does have hypertension, they are very bad.

Or, a big ass meal might have 2000 calories, but if its the only thing you eat that day, it is fine.
 
2013-03-16 05:48:03 PM  
Just got back from dinner at the hotel restaurant. (Business hotel, over the top restaurant).

A steak, potatoes, salad and 3 scoops of ice cream with drinks was $40. About what I'd pay in the same type of restaurant here. (Actually almost exactly what I paid when I was in Chicago for a similar meal.)

They also have no concept of 'margarine'. There is butter. That's it. No soybean oil that is partially hydrogenated nothing else. You can get salted butter, unsalted butter, whipped, but it's all butter.
 
2013-03-16 05:56:30 PM  
That's so wrong.

What you need is one of these:
 
2013-03-16 05:58:29 PM  
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2013-03-16 06:00:56 PM  

Rik01: FirstNationalBastard is my new idol.

I mean, they gotta do something. Folks don't learn. I've never seen so many fat folks in my life and the number of chubby kids is just appalling.

The diet business has exploded. Grocery stores have these enormous sections of diet food. (Less ingredients, higher price.) Though, as one side pushes for people to stop chowing down like pigs at the trough, the other side (usually the restaurants) are busily developing these high calorie foods that taste so darn good -- and are so bad for you.

Then there's those TV shows which feature places serving up truck sized hamburgers, hotdogs buried under a ton of chili and sauces, steaks that require two servers to haul them in and the guys who constantly look for new things to dip in batter and deep fry.

Like candy bars, ice cream and bread.

We use so much grease and oil in the restaurant business that an entire, secondary industry has formed using the old stuff to make biofuels and soaps.

Hauling away the stuff was once paid for by the restaurants. Now, grease recyclers fight each other and pay the restaurant to take their cast-offs.

I wear a medium T-shirt. Going to buy new ones has gotten to be a pain in the arse. The racks are piled high with small, large, XL, XXL and XXXL. (I think a new size: WHALE is coming.)

Growing up, I saw very few fat folks on the streets but then again, we didn't have fast food places on nearly every corner. The frozen food sections of the grocery stores were not packed with microwave meals. Nor did we have entire aisles of crunchy snacks. (Frito-Lay had not been thought of yet.) TV was not full of commercials promoting assorted burger joints and kid's meals.

Folks will not listen.

I watched part of a game show the other night. Ten people. Five on each team. Two of the ten were thin. Everyone else ranged from plump to fat. Four were Registered Nurses and they were fat.

I'm starting to hate going to Wal-Mart. You can be nearly flabbed to death there and they need to make the aisles wider because the shoppers are wider. Going to the deli can make me hysterical as a sea of flab just crashes against the glass display cases and pudgy hands and arms are grabbing for bags heavily packed with greasy foods.

I keep expecting to come upon the picked clean bones of some skinny guy, discarded under a rack of XXL clothing after having gotten between fat folks and their chilled racks of packaged deli food.

The style for young women at the mall seems to be tight jeans -- with a wide arse --, tank top -- over the muffin top, and hair pulled back into a knot at the back of the head. The extra flab draws the muscles of their faces down, so they look perpetually pi$$ed.

The same with guys. Just add baseball caps glued to their heads, knee length shorts from the past century and big sneakers. Also, huge, baggy Sports Jersey's.

There's almost always some guy over 6 feet tall, nearly as wide, stumping along and you get out of his way because you just know something that heavy takes awhile to stop.

However, you can't rag on these people like you did smokers. You might hurt their feelings, violate their civil rights and restrict their freedoms.

Hey! Isn't that what YOU did to smokers?


I... I think I'm in love.
 
2013-03-16 08:38:45 PM  
Please stop dumbing down our country because some lardasses are so out of touch with their bodies they are barely able to wipe their ass without instructions.

If it is a chain where food is standardized by it's nature, yes, provide salt, fat, calories, ect.

Using a color chart for food is just stupid, it does not provide context.

/And restricting cup sizes is stupid as hell, while we give sugar a try and stop using corn sugar tax breaks.  Just see what happens.
 
2013-03-17 04:47:55 AM  
The people who cry about this are probably the same ones who cried for Surgeon General warnings on tobacco products. The health nut snow ball just doesn't stop where people want it.
 
2013-03-17 02:20:18 PM  
Give me the Red Light Special with extra bacon and cheese.  Nomnomnom.
 
2013-03-18 07:03:27 AM  

RabidJade: The people who cry about this are probably the same ones who cried for Surgeon General warnings on tobacco products. The health nut snow ball just doesn't stop where people want it.


Nope, the crybabies on this story have stayed where they came from. It's not the "health nuts." It's the  scared old man who's being oppressed by additional information about the products he's purchasing at burger king. Oh no! Information about the food i eat! FREEEEDOOOOMMMMM!!
 
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