John the Magnificent: When I was young Americans were thought of as courageous.WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?
gonegirl: Christ. She is going to be raising some hyper-fearful little nightmare factories, there. Bet those kids need medication before they're in double-digits.
IBelieveYouHaveMyStapler: Other than being someone she didn't know, I don't see what the guy did that was suspicious. I can just imagine what that 911 call sounded like. "Someone has to get here quick! My God now he's getting keys out of his pocket!! We're all going to be killed!!"
Semantic Warrior: I also don't think highly of sending a 2 year old to school... parents seem to want their kids out of their hair as soon as they can walk.
Giltric: You have references to back this up or at least something anecdotal?
Secret Master of All Flatulence: Right. Obviously, we can't trust teachers with a gun. In that case, if they're so untrustworthy, WHY ARE WE TRUSTING THEM WITH OUR CHILDREN in the first place???
Russ1642: With mothers acting like this now I'm amazed there isn't entire generation being home-schooled just to keep them safe.
superlawyergirl: She's considered paranoid and annoying because she was wrong, but what if her suspicions were correct?I don't support the spread of widespread paranoia, but, if a mother saw something suspicious at a school, didn't say anything out of fear of being called "paranoid", and tons of kids died from the subsequent rampage, she'd be crucified.
Zelron: Calling it bullshiat doesn't make it bullshiat. You are, in fact, more likely to injure yourself or someone else than you are likely to protect you or someone else.
D2theMcV: No one has done this yet? Really?
Zelron: StoPPeRmobile: Zelron: A gun in the house is more likely to injure someone in the house than to be used to protect someone in the house.Suicide isn't the answer.Suicide is worse for the family and friends than it is for the "victim". I remember as far back as 6th grade I took a psych test for a friend's mother's PhD thesis. One of the questions was, "Do you think your family would be better off without you?" to which I answered "No." But I recall thinking a follow up question should be, "Do you think you'd be better off without you" to which I would have answered "Yes."Everybody dies. No one lives forever. I'm here for the pleasure of my friends and family. But frankly I don't see the point. I die, you die, we all die. Why slog through the tedium of day to day life and arguments about taxes, fire-arms, personal liberties, etc.?So we're all doomed. Some of us just realize it earlier than others.
Zelron: I don't think it's necessary because knives have other uses than killing. Guns don't, unless you use it as a hammer which is not recommended.
The_Gallant_Gallstone: John the Magnificent: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?Are you telling me that 9/11 didn't change everything?9/11 changed everything...
mr_a: I can't imagine why it would take the cops 16 minutes to get there. Maybe they were off investigating some other wild-goose chase called in by a different hysterical mother?
Secret Master of All Flatulence: Well, that, and to give the good guy an effective tool to deal with the situation, without freaking people like the idiot in the story.
Mock26: Zelron: Having a gun in the home increases the likelihood that you'll get shot and killed, most likely in an accident or by someone in your home who's pissed at you.Yeah, and if you have a knife in the home you are more likely to cut yourself than if you have no knives in the home.
Giltric: You almost sound like the paranoid mom in the article.
Secret Master of All Flatulence: Once again: If a parent walks into a classroom and starts shooting kids, I'd think they'd be "fair game".It's really not that hard to recognize that if somebody is shooting unarmed children, they're the problem, not somebody trying to help.
Secret Master of All Flatulence: BTW: I'm not suggesting issuing every teacher a gun. But if a teacher is willing to get the appropriate training, say, the same training and annual certification as local law enforcement, it would make the school safer, not more dangerous to allow them to be armed. Besides, DHS recently released a video suggesting that if there's an active shooter, teachers should attack the active shooter with a pair of scissors. I'm not kidding. After my wife was locked down in a school while there was an active shooter in a school a short distance away, they told her that if she wanted to resist the shooter, it was permissable to throw textbooks at him. Textbooks.
ReapTheChaos: So it never occurred to anyone to walk out and ask the guy what he was doing there?
Giltric: Has there ever been a case in the US where a student got ahold of an arrmed security officers firearm?
Secret Master of All Flatulence: Well, we've already criminalized the Demon Weed, so there's no pot in the country. The folks who are willing to break the law don't seem to, well, obey the law. All your suggestion would do is disarm the law abiding people, who are not the problem.Prohibition has never worked.
Secret Master of All Flatulence: I'm pretty sure that most teachers are able to distinguish between a uniformed first responder and some scumbag that walks into a classroom and starts shooting kids.
Giltric: Ankle holster or an IWB will solve the problem of a kid getting ahold of it.Where do you get the idea that guns will be stored in a cigar box on top of the teachers desk easily accessible to kids? Mother Jones News?A teacher can take time in the summer or on a weekend to get proper training.How many firendly fire incidents have their been in the over 50% of schools in this country that already have and had armed security gurads since the 60's?Your excuses sound pretty piss poor.
Zelron: Bring guns into schools and kids will get a hold of the guns, whether they mean to be malicious or not
BarkingUnicorn: Homeland Security pays TV stations well for these "If you see something, say something" PSAs.
cman: People see strange people at schools as a threat because that is what they expect.They need to fulfill their preconceived notions.It is humanity. We are paranoid by nature and the recent string of shootings have made it even worse. I cant really fault her much because that is what the parent is supposed to expect in this country now.
Girl On Couch: I work with a mom like this - she won't let her kids play outside of their cushy suburban home (cul-de-sac no less) alone. Once when she was planning a Disney vacation I told her about the child care they offered so she and he husband could have a night alone and she flipped out - she would never leave her kids with strangers!!! Even after I explained that the Disney babysitters would most,likely not rape her kids she simply would not hear of it. It was just odd.....
incrdbil: John the Magnificent: When I was young Americans were thought of as courageous.WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?Progressives.
Bartleby the Scrivener: Back in college in the mid-90s i was in the theater group. One of the props for a play was a rifle, which i carried across campus without comnent, stares, or incident.In retrospect, im grateful im still alive.\csb
Dazman51: Weeping Jesus on a cross....Ban all schools....Home school your kids till they are 18 then release them on the world...
MikeSass: It took the cops 16 minuters to get there...now you know why having responsible citizens carry guns is a good idea.
Secret Master of All Flatulence: superlawyergirl: rumpelstiltskin: It's Texas. I expect a law will be proposed allowing two year olds to bring guns to school.I'm pretty sure they're considering something similar the next legislative session. Seems we can't get over not being the first state to allow teachers to arm themselves.Right. Obviously, we can't trust teachers with a gun. In that case, if they're so untrustworthy, WHY ARE WE TRUSTING THEM WITH OUR CHILDREN in the first place???
enderthexenocide: superlawyergirl: She's considered paranoid and annoying because she was wrong, but what if her suspicions were correct?I don't support the spread of widespread paranoia, but, if a mother saw something suspicious at a school, didn't say anything out of fear of being called "paranoid", and tons of kids died from the subsequent rampage, she'd be crucified.i kind of feel that way too. i think it's stupid for parents to call the cops every time they see some unfamiliar person near the school, but at the same time, i think it is better for parents to be aware of potentially dangerous people than to simply ignore them or assume they aren't dangerous. if you see something you think is suspicious, call the cops. there's nothing wrong with that.my only worry is that one of these days, a frantic parent will see someone "suspicious" and call the cops, and the first cop on the scene will try to be a superhero and save the day, and inadvertently shoot and kill the cleaning guy in the parking lot because he assumed the guy was armed or something. eventually all this paranoia about school shootings will result in an innocent person getting killed by a security guard or something because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Marcintosh: is the guy on death row yet?
aharown: MikeSass: It took the cops 16 minuters to get there...now you know why having responsible citizens carry guns is a good idea.Oh my little troll, how I've missed you so.
Semantic Warrior: superlawyergirl: She's considered paranoid and annoying because she was wrong, but what if her suspicions were correct?I don't support the spread of widespread paranoia, but, if a mother saw something suspicious at a school, didn't say anything out of fear of being called "paranoid", and tons of kids died from the subsequent rampage, she'd be crucified.I have to call BS on anything but hysterical paranoia here... If I had kids, and if I was dropping them off at school and saw a suspicious person in the parking lot, you better believe I wouldn't "rush them inside", I'd take them back to the car, drive a safe ways away, then make calls to the police and/or school's office, and await the situation to be resolved.What if this guy was just a look out and there were others inside? What if he gets spooked and moves up his time table once your kids are in... Great parenting. Sounds like she just really needed attention (evidenced by this entire "story"), and was risking her kids lives so SHE could be a victim had something actually happened.
lokis_mentor: IBelieveYouHaveMyStapler: Other than being someone she didn't know, I don't see what the guy did that was suspicious. I can just imagine what that 911 call sounded like. "Someone has to get here quick! My God now he's getting keys out of his pocket!! We're all going to be killed!!"Given that part of Texas, and guy ended up being a new guy on the cleaning crew, he was probably just brown. That neighborhood is pretty much golf course subdivisions and is one of the more monied sections of harris county
John the Magnificent: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?
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