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(KHOU Houston)   All hell breaks loose when an overprotective helicopter mom spots a cleaning crew employee in the parking lot of her children's school and automatically assumes he's an armed lunatic hellbent on snuffing the life out of every student   (khou.com) divider line 290
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2013-03-16 11:44:55 AM
LargeCanine:  She chews on the police who have better things to do because her needs were not prioritized.


Oh, but her needs WERE prioritized.  Correctly.  She wasn't even reporting a crime.  She wanted the cops to send out a SWAT team because there was a guy in a parking lot.  Very irrational, and completely unrealistic.
 
2013-03-16 11:46:41 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: LargeCanine:  She chews on the police who have better things to do because her needs were not prioritized.


Oh, but her needs WERE prioritized.  Correctly.  She wasn't even reporting a crime.  She wanted the cops to send out a SWAT team because there was a guy in a parking lot.  Very irrational, and completely unrealistic.


:) okay. Fair enough.
 
2013-03-16 11:47:20 AM

enderthexenocide: superlawyergirl: She's considered paranoid and annoying because she was wrong, but what if her suspicions were correct?

I don't support the spread of widespread paranoia, but, if a mother saw something suspicious at a school, didn't say anything out of fear of being called "paranoid", and tons of kids died from the subsequent rampage, she'd be crucified.

i kind of feel that way too.  i think it's stupid for parents to call the cops every time they see some unfamiliar person near the school, but at the same time, i think it is better for parents to be aware of potentially dangerous people than to simply ignore them or assume they aren't dangerous.  if you see something you think is suspicious, call the cops.  there's nothing wrong with that.

my only worry is that one of these days, a frantic parent will see someone "suspicious" and call the cops, and the first cop on the scene will try to be a superhero and save the day, and inadvertently shoot and kill the cleaning guy in the parking lot because he assumed the guy was armed or something.  eventually all this paranoia about school shootings will result in an innocent person getting killed by a security guard or something because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.




We used to say, "Hi!"

/pussies
 
2013-03-16 11:48:00 AM
Satanic_Hamster:

Five bucks the woman is white.  Twenty bucks says the guy was black or Hispanic.

But...but...but...the vast majority of these mass shooting perpetrators are white guys...
 
2013-03-16 11:48:11 AM

lokis_mentor: he was probably just brown


This.
 
2013-03-16 11:49:41 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: superlawyergirl: rumpelstiltskin: It's Texas. I expect a law will be proposed allowing two year olds to bring guns to school.

I'm pretty sure they're considering something similar the next legislative session. Seems we can't get over not being the first state to allow teachers to arm themselves.

Right.  Obviously, we can't trust teachers with a gun.  In that case, if they're so untrustworthy, WHY ARE WE TRUSTING THEM WITH OUR CHILDREN in the first place???


People usually don't die when someone fires a child at them.
 
2013-03-16 11:52:11 AM
Sarah Atchison, mother of two, comes off as overwrought and high strung. This is where she really hits her stride:

"I said I've been on the phone with you for 13 minutes and you're just now getting here? He said ' we've been kind of busy pulling a body out of a lake.' I left. I couldn't handle it anymore."
 
2013-03-16 11:53:08 AM

superlawyergirl: She's considered paranoid and annoying because she was wrong, but what if her suspicions were correct?
I don't support the spread of widespread paranoia, but, if a mother saw something suspicious at a school, didn't say anything out of fear of being called "paranoid", and tons of kids died from the subsequent rampage, she'd be crucified.


If she was that worried about it, she could have hung around until he did something that actually warranted a 911 call.
If he actually had a gun out on school grounds, the cops would be there so fast the stools at the doughnut shop would still be spinning.
 
2013-03-16 11:54:57 AM

MikeSass: It took the cops 16 minuters to get there...now you know why having responsible citizens carry guns is a good idea.


Yeah, so they could shoot a guy who works there?
 
2013-03-16 11:55:06 AM
CSB: In Louisville, KY, we had some guy in a white van try to kidnap a female employee at a Crackerbarrel a few months ago. After that, there were numerous tips from citizens of "suspicious looking white vans" from all around the city...None of them led to anything. There was even a lady (an employee of a different Crackerbarrel) who claimed some guy in a white van tried to kidnap her the day after the initial incident. She ended up being charged with false reporting, etc.

So yeah, mass hysteria is a biatch.
 
2013-03-16 11:56:02 AM

Dazman51: Weeping Jesus on a cross....Ban all schools....Home school your kids till they are 18 then release them on the world...


Actually, most home schoolers have jobs as teens and spend a great deal of time around adults learning how to act like adults. Younger children are around older children and learn to socialize with a wide age range. ITs been my experience that your average home schooler is more mature than their public school peers.
 
2013-03-16 11:56:07 AM

SurelyShirley: ReapTheChaos: So it never occurred to anyone to walk out and ask the guy what he was doing there?

No, no, no! You just know he's going to shoot you as soon as you approach.
Haven't you learned anything?
Do not approach strangers! They are out to kill kill kill!
Better to curl up, hide and be afraid.
You obviously need to watch more television, so you know what's going on in the real world.


Actually, I do a lot of social engineering for work (you would be amazed how many CEO's desk I have put my feet on) and we encourage  our clients to challenge anyone in their office that appears to not belong.  You don't need to be rude about, just ask them how you can help.  99.99% of the time (or more) the situation is harmless
 
2013-03-16 11:56:21 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: Back in college in the mid-90s i was in the theater group. One of the props for a play was a rifle, which i carried across campus without comnent, stares, or incident.

In retrospect, im grateful im still alive.

\csb


Back college in the early-90s I fired a starter's pistol in my speech class.  Teacher forced me to do a pro-gun control speech and I decided that if she just wanted me to irrationally scare folks I'd do it right.  Got an A.

\stupid
\\coolersb
 
2013-03-16 11:57:06 AM

vinniethepoo: People usually don't die when someone fires a child at them.



Right.  But if  a teacher is a lunatic bent on committing murder, one of the most serious crimes there is, a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" and is punishable far less severely than murder will really keep them from bringing a gun in illegally.
 
2013-03-16 11:58:03 AM

vartian: Atchison questioned the deputy. "I said I've been on the phone with you for 13 minutes and you're just now getting here? He said 'we've been kind of busy pulling a body out of a lake.' I left. I couldn't handle it anymore." Atchison said. No one likes to talk about the "what if," but Atchison believes she got a glimpse and it scares her even more.

Your overblown hysteria only wasted the time and effort of half the town, so naturally your response is to become even more paranoid.


Also the article fails to mention which part of California she's from.
 
2013-03-16 11:59:26 AM

ThighsofGlory: vartian: Atchison questioned the deputy. "I said I've been on the phone with you for 13 minutes and you're just now getting here? He said 'we've been kind of busy pulling a body out of a lake.' I left. I couldn't handle it anymore." Atchison said. No one likes to talk about the "what if," but Atchison believes she got a glimpse and it scares her even more.

Your overblown hysteria only wasted the time and effort of half the town, so naturally your response is to become even more paranoid.

Also the article fails to mention which part of California she's from.


Probably Orange County or Malibu.
 
2013-03-16 12:01:14 PM

John the Magnificent: When I was young Americans were thought of as courageous.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?


Progressives.
 
2013-03-16 12:02:37 PM
And in the meantime, the medias fearmongering for ratings rolls merrily along.
 
2013-03-16 12:03:00 PM

incrdbil: John the Magnificent: When I was young Americans were thought of as courageous.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?

Progressives.


It isn't liberals encouraging people to view everyone as a potential deadly threat that requires a maximally violent response to every dog barking in the neighborhood. Thats the NRA line.
 
2013-03-16 12:04:06 PM

ReapTheChaos: So it never occurred to anyone to walk out and ask the guy what he was doing there?


The guy was probably ethnic. It would be insensitive to question him.
 
2013-03-16 12:04:23 PM
BTW:  I'm not suggesting issuing every teacher a gun.  But if a teacher is willing to get the appropriate training, say, the same training and annual certification as local law enforcement, it would make the school safer, not more dangerous to allow them to be armed.  Besides, DHS recently released a video suggesting that if there's an active shooter, teachers should attack the active shooter with a pair of scissors.  I'm not kidding.  After my wife was locked down in a school while there was an active shooter in a school a short distance away, they told her that if she wanted to resist the shooter, it was permissable to throw textbooks at him.  Textbooks.
 
2013-03-16 12:05:45 PM

Girl On Couch: I work with a mom like this - she won't let her kids play outside of their cushy suburban home (cul-de-sac no less) alone. Once when she was planning a Disney vacation I told her about the child care they offered so she and he husband could have a night alone and she flipped out - she would never leave her kids with strangers!!! Even after I explained that the Disney babysitters would most,likely not rape her kids she simply would not hear of it. It was just odd.....


My brother and sister in law are like this with their kids.  They're raising targets.  They couldn't believe that my wife left our kids with my son's friend's family to go to an appointment.  She said, 'Well, none of you would look after my kids, I had to leave them with someone!".  Then they asked if *I* knew she was doing this.

They're paranoid and have an alarm system and carry panic buttons.  My BiL keeps setting his off because his keys hit it in his pocket and because it's a silent alarm, they don't know they've set it off until the cops come.

*sigh*  At least my wife has lost most of her paranoia.  A little therapy and a dose of reality helped quite a bit.
 
2013-03-16 12:06:24 PM

TheMaskedArmadillo: You don't need to be rude about, just ask them how you can help. 99.99% of the time (or more) the situation is harmless


This!
 
2013-03-16 12:07:29 PM

cman: People see strange people at schools as a threat because that is what they expect.

They need to fulfill their preconceived notions.

It is humanity. We are paranoid by nature and the recent string of shootings have made it even worse. I cant really fault her much because that is what the parent is supposed to expect in this country now.


I expect someone to not fulfill what the previous armed lunatic intended...that everyone live in fear if their own shadow.

It's horrific, but how many school shootings in the last 5 years? 4? 5? How many schools in operation at any given moment?

Stop being such a paranoid PoS...you're ruining everyday life for those if us that choose not to let everyone else dictate our way of life.
 
2013-03-16 12:08:10 PM
"My son asked me is that a bad man mommy? Is he gonna go to jail?" she said. "I didn't know what to say to him."
-=-
I bet she still hasn't told him the truth- that's she over-reacted and caused a day of turmoil for everyone around her.

Wouldn't it be great if she was a Fark reader and was reading all these comments about how damn stupid she is?
She would probably be trying to justify her actions here... acting like someone else.
 
2013-03-16 12:08:24 PM
Has someone mentioned yet how this woman is but one of the things wrong with society these days? Is there a Facebook group dedicated to humiliating her now? Because there should be, if you're into the kind of thing.
 
2013-03-16 12:08:41 PM

SurelyShirley: ReapTheChaos: So it never occurred to anyone to walk out and ask the guy what he was doing there?

No, no, no! You just know he's going to shoot you as soon as you approach.
Haven't you learned anything?
Do not approach strangers! They are out to kill kill kill!
Better to curl up, hide and be afraid.
You obviously need to watch more television, so you know what's going on in the real world.


A new favorite!

KILL YOUR TV
 
2013-03-16 12:09:39 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Right. Obviously, we can't trust teachers with a gun. In that case, if they're so untrustworthy, WHY ARE WE TRUSTING THEM WITH OUR CHILDREN in the first place???


It's not the trust in teachers that's the problem.  It's (a) bringing something into the school that's more likely to cause problems than solve them, (b) some students will find a way to get a hold of them, (c) you don't want random people joining a firefight because you'll more likely end up with friendly fire incidents.  Most teachers don't want them either because then they'll need training, certification, etc. and they already have to do that up the wazoo.
 
2013-03-16 12:10:34 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Homeland Security pays TV stations well for these "If you see something, say something" PSAs.


Yeah, but she didn't see something.
 
2013-03-16 12:11:13 PM
What the hell grade is a 2-year-old in? Pre-school? Ok.
 
2013-03-16 12:14:30 PM

incrdbil: John the Magnificent: When I was young Americans were thought of as courageous.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?

Progressives.


Affluence, a perod of generations of domestic peace and increasing comfort/safety, lawyers, and the Precautionary Principle.

Not all Americans are overwrought self-involved wimps, but enough to be noticable.
 
2013-03-16 12:14:45 PM

Zelron: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Right. Obviously, we can't trust teachers with a gun. In that case, if they're so untrustworthy, WHY ARE WE TRUSTING THEM WITH OUR CHILDREN in the first place???

It's not the trust in teachers that's the problem.  It's (a) bringing something into the school that's more likely to cause problems than solve them, (b) some students will find a way to get a hold of them, (c) you don't want random people joining a firefight because you'll more likely end up with friendly fire incidents.  Most teachers don't want them either because then they'll need training, certification, etc. and they already have to do that up the wazoo.


Ankle holster or an IWB will solve the problem of a kid getting ahold of it.
Where do you get the idea that guns will be stored in a cigar box on top of the teachers desk easily accessible to kids? Mother Jones News?
A teacher can take time in the summer or on a weekend to get proper training.
How many firendly fire incidents have their been in the over 50% of schools in this country that already have and had armed security gurads since the 60's?

Your excuses sound pretty piss poor.
 
2013-03-16 12:15:22 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: vinniethepoo: People usually don't die when someone fires a child at them.


Right.  But if  a teacher is a lunatic bent on committing murder, one of the most serious crimes there is, a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" and is punishable far less severely than murder will really keep them from bringing a gun in illegally.


So lets make the country a gun free zone.  At least concealable guns.  Then we don't have to worry about anxious people walking around parking lots putting their hands in their pockets.
 
2013-03-16 12:16:31 PM

Deathfrogg: ThighsofGlory: vartian: Atchison questioned the deputy. "I said I've been on the phone with you for 13 minutes and you're just now getting here? He said 'we've been kind of busy pulling a body out of a lake.' I left. I couldn't handle it anymore." Atchison said. No one likes to talk about the "what if," but Atchison believes she got a glimpse and it scares her even more.

Your overblown hysteria only wasted the time and effort of half the town, so naturally your response is to become even more paranoid.

Also the article fails to mention which part of California she's from.

Probably Orange County or Malibu


I was thinking Marin, but the officer and the 911 dispatcher weren't summarily fired and their careers destroyed, so you could be correct.
 
2013-03-16 12:17:04 PM
media.avclub.com
 
2013-03-16 12:18:26 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: BTW:  I'm not suggesting issuing every teacher a gun.  But if a teacher is willing to get the appropriate training, say, the same training and annual certification as local law enforcement, it would make the school safer, not more dangerous to allow them to be armed.  Besides, DHS recently released a video suggesting that if there's an active shooter, teachers should attack the active shooter with a pair of scissors.  I'm not kidding.  After my wife was locked down in a school while there was an active shooter in a school a short distance away, they told her that if she wanted to resist the shooter, it was permissable to throw textbooks at him.  Textbooks.


Bring guns into schools and kids will get a hold of the guns, whether they mean to be malicious or not.  It removes the step where the shooter needs to bring a gun to school, because there will already be guns there.

They do not belong there except in the hands of a professional armed guard or police officer.
 
2013-03-16 12:18:58 PM

Zelron: It's not the trust in teachers that's the problem.  It's (a) bringing something into the school that's more likely to cause problems than solve them, (b) some students will find a way to get a hold of them, (c) you don't want random people joining a firefight because you'll more likely end up with friendly fire incidents.  Most teachers don't want them either because then they'll need training, certification, etc. and they already have to do that up the wazoo.


A.  My wife routinely carries in the supermarket close to her school.  Her licensed sidearm doesn't seem to cause problems there.  B.  That's like saying cops shouldn't carry because a criminal might find a way to get a hold of them.  C.  That's complete bullshiat, the same idea that "Blood will run in the streets!" if CCW was legalized.  Not only didn't it, violent crime went down.  I'm pretty sure that most teachers are able to distinguish between a uniformed first responder and some scumbag that walks into a classroom and starts shooting kids.

As far as most teachers not wanting them, fair enough.  I'm not suggesting that teachers MUST be armed. But if a teacher is willing to go through all the bullshiat that would be required so that they could legally carry, they're not going to be the kind of people who would commit a crime with one.  The folks that would commit a crime with them would just say "Screw it" and bring in a gun illegally.
 
2013-03-16 12:19:13 PM

Stoker: Wouldn't it be great if she was a Fark reader and was reading all these comments about how damn stupid she is?
She would probably be trying to justify her actions here... acting like someone else.


Nobody that stupid reads Fark. ;)
 
2013-03-16 12:20:39 PM
FTA: He said 'we've been kind of busy pulling a body out of a lake.'

Sounds more interesting than a panicky parent.
 
2013-03-16 12:22:04 PM

Zelron: So lets make the country a gun free zone.  At least concealable guns.  Then we don't have to worry about anxious people walking around parking lots putting their hands in their pockets.


Well, we've already criminalized the Demon Weed, so there's no pot in the country.  The folks who are willing to break the law don't seem to, well, obey the law.  All your suggestion would do is disarm the law abiding people, who are not the problem.

Prohibition has never worked.
 
2013-03-16 12:23:15 PM

Deathfrogg: incrdbil: John the Magnificent: When I was young Americans were thought of as courageous.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU PEOPLE?

Progressives.

It isn't liberals encouraging people to view everyone as a potential deadly threat that requires a maximally violent response to every dog barking in the neighborhood. Thats the NRA line.


Sorry, the NRA encourages responsible use of firearms. Joe Biden however, endorses shotgun blasts through a door at people you cant see.
 
2013-03-16 12:23:17 PM

Zelron: Bring guns into schools and kids will get a hold of the guns, whether they mean to be malicious or not


Has there ever been a case in the US where a student got ahold of an arrmed security officers firearm?
 
2013-03-16 12:23:30 PM
superlawyergirl:
Maybe it's because I just read about the large number of medical mistakes that could be prevented if nurses weren't too afraid to speak up about what they see. Anyway..

That reminds me of my grandfather, who'd walk into a doctor's office and tell the receptionist "I'm here to see the nurse."
 
2013-03-16 12:24:30 PM

Zelron: They do not belong there except in the hands of a professional armed guard or police officer.


Once again:  My suggestion would require the teachers that want to carry to obey the same training guidelines as actual police officers.  Actual professional firearms training, annual recertifications, the whole enchilada.
 
2013-03-16 12:24:35 PM

Giltric: Ankle holster or an IWB will solve the problem of a kid getting ahold of it.
Where do you get the idea that guns will be stored in a cigar box on top of the teachers desk easily accessible to kids? Mother Jones News?
A teacher can take time in the summer or on a weekend to get proper training.
How many firendly fire incidents have their been in the over 50% of schools in this country that already have and had armed security gurads since the 60's?

Your excuses sound pretty piss poor.


Ankle holster or not, kids (especially those with malicious intent) find a way.
Yes, a teacher can, but most won't want to.  Most won't want to work at a school knowing other teachers are carrying guns.
Armed security guards are different from teachers whose primary job is teaching, not guarding.

Your reasons (not excuses--and mine aren't excuses either) are viewed through rose colored glasses.
 
2013-03-16 12:24:59 PM
Sarah Atchison, please shoot yourself now.
 
2013-03-16 12:26:24 PM
Well, I got the jist of this situation pretty quick, but went to watch the video anyways.   Maybe that was because I am getting ready to head out on a trip to Katy, or maybe becuase I was just watching Californication and have images of Housewife Hannah stuck in my head, but I was sorely disappointed.

She really looked like she was stressing the stitching on those capri jeans, and when she frowns, her pre-jowls really are quite noticeable.  I hate to think of the guy who is married to this one.  Now, he not only has to try and keep telling her how hot she is, but has to try and assuage her hysteria while she milks this event for attention as long as she can.

Yeah, I am in a foul mood today, and this sure didn't help.  Probably need to go back and watch some more Californication and keep my own mythology alive.
 
2013-03-16 12:26:27 PM

incrdbil: Joe Biden however, endorses shotgun blasts through a door at people you cant see


I wonder if "B..Bu..But Joe said" is a valid defense?

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/crime/man-charged-for-firing-gun-in-hom e
 
2013-03-16 12:27:19 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: I'm pretty sure that most teachers are able to distinguish between a uniformed first responder and some scumbag that walks into a classroom and starts shooting kids.


I'm sure they can.  But can a teacher distinguish between a shooter (who scumbag or not could be wearing a suit and tie) and a parent who's trying to help, and can the uniformed officers distinguish between a teacher, a parent, and a shooter who are all shooting at each other, with most of the bullets going wild and hitting bystanders (children) who are trying to get away?
 
2013-03-16 12:27:49 PM

Zelron: Ankle holster or not, kids (especially those with malicious intent) find a way.


So you're saying that no new laws would prevent another Sandy Hook?

Good to know.
 
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