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2013-03-16 09:29:27 AM  
And flying back to the Northeast for the summer?
 
2013-03-16 09:34:47 AM  
Leave a  shotgun in the yard.
 
2013-03-16 09:37:09 AM  
Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.
 
2013-03-16 09:40:01 AM  
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2013-03-16 09:41:22 AM  
Lived in AZ for 30+ years.

Spent lots of days out in the desert.

Seen a grand total of 1 rattler who was pissed off enough to bother coiling up and rattling.
 
2013-03-16 09:41:42 AM  
Last year 7 people were eaten whole....
 
2013-03-16 09:42:52 AM  

cygnusx13: Lived in AZ for 30+ years.

Spent lots of days out in the desert.

Seen a grand total of 1 rattler who was pissed off enough to bother coiling up and rattling.


THIS
 
2013-03-16 09:43:22 AM  
I had no idea that Sheriff Joe hibernated.
 
2013-03-16 09:44:14 AM  

squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.


I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal
 
2013-03-16 09:50:23 AM  
I am also starting waking.
 
2013-03-16 09:53:47 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal


None have ever killed me!
 
2013-03-16 09:55:25 AM  

SpdrJay: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal

None have ever killed me!


A rattlesnake killed me once!

/I got better
 
2013-03-16 09:55:57 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal


Western Diamondback rattlesnakes (most common in AZ) have a mostly hemotoxic venom, meaning that while it can absolutely be fatal (most kills of all the rattlesnakes), you generally have time to reach a hospital. Unless you're out hiking and decide to punch a snake in the face, then you deserve to bleed out internally.

As an aside, the Mojave rattlesnake has a mostly neurotoxic venom, much much more deadly, though they are scrub/low foliage dwellers, so there are fewer encounters with humans.
 
2013-03-16 09:56:09 AM  
I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal

I can't speak for the Scottsdale variety, but in Ark, TN, NC - the eastern diamondbacks can apparently control/contain/regulate the amount (if any) of venom delivered upon striking. They're not like cobras and don't have an apparent limited supply, so they're more 'discriminating' with such assets.

/Yes I've encountered these snakes in these states multiple times but have not been bitten - although I have had some strikes delivered in my direction.
 
2013-03-16 09:56:36 AM  
There's a Simpsons reference here.
 
2013-03-16 09:56:43 AM  

squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.


8" striking distance? Non-lethal? Where do you get your facts, from the Easter Bunny?
 
2013-03-16 09:58:41 AM  

NephilimNexus: I had no idea that Sheriff Joe hibernated.


I was going to say something along those lines.

/tiny fist....I shake it
 
2013-03-16 10:00:25 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal


Because the 4 people I know who have been bitten by them are still alive.
 
2013-03-16 10:02:12 AM  
I take kind of the opposite view: Rattlesnakes have a great warning system. Accidents aside, we're lucky to have this particular snake.
 
2013-03-16 10:05:07 AM  
I went to grade school with Arizona. Back then, Arizona was kind of smart, likeable, and was moderately popular. We ended up going to different high schools, and Arizona started hanging out with a different crowd. There were rumors that Arizona was stealing prescription drugs from the medicine cabinet and went to Mexico for an abortion. My relationship with Arizona pretty much faded as we both became adults. Then one day, Arizona sent me a friend request on facebook, and wanted to know what's up and how i've been. I was suspicious because California told me Arizona was also scamming people through facebook, Needless to say I didn't reply. Later, I heard through another friend that Arizona
had pretty bad psoriasis, and i felt bad because that shiat sucks.
 
2013-03-16 10:07:57 AM  
I'd be more worried about being bitten by that wildly myopic Canadian tourist.
 
2013-03-16 10:09:22 AM  
Stupid story: back in high school I took up cross country and decided I'd practice on some trails. Suddenly I heard rattling coming from every bush - hundreds if not thousands of them. I nearly pissed my pants running out of there for dear life.

Turned out they were just cicadas - I was running from bugs. Great training though.
 
2013-03-16 10:11:35 AM  

squibbits: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal

Because the 4 people I know who have been bitten by them are still alive.


Ah, OK :-)  So it was just a case of you said one thing and I thought you meant something else.  My bad
 
2013-03-16 10:18:42 AM  
The real problem has always been copperheads. We've had them routinely 'just be sitting there' on garage steps, porches, flowerbeds, gardens, etc in all of the aforementioned locations. Cottonmouths too - but not compared to copperheads. Rattlesnakes will @ least give the noise/warning, but they don't advance - they hold their ground - where I've personally had copperheads/moccasins strike and close the distance repeatedly. I've never had issues with corral snakes - plus they're very passive from what I've heard from friends.

/lower 48
 
2013-03-16 10:21:41 AM  

squibbits: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal

Because the 4 people I know who have been bitten by them are still alive.


So you know 4 people dumb enough to get within 8 inches of a rattling snake. Figures; birds of a feather and all that.

Rattlers don't have to rattle before striking.  They can strike about a third of their body length and some species grow to 8 feet. GIS of "rattlensake wound" reveals what "non-lethal" means. (warning: graphic)
 
2013-03-16 10:29:34 AM  

bump: The real problem has always been copperheads. We've had them routinely 'just be sitting there' on garage steps, porches, flowerbeds, gardens, etc in all of the aforementioned locations. Cottonmouths too - but not compared to copperheads. Rattlesnakes will @ least give the noise/warning, but they don't advance - they hold their ground - where I've personally had copperheads/moccasins strike and close the distance repeatedly. I've never had issues with corral snakes - plus they're very passive from what I've heard from friends.

/lower 48


I attended Florida Tech.  A Brooklynite freshman brought me a snake in a jar, asking what it was.   It was a coral snake. He was pretty freaked out even after I pointed out that he'd gotten away with picking it up.  Still not to be messed with.

Rattlesnakes do not have to rattle before they strike.
 
2013-03-16 10:54:33 AM  

squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.


I wish I could believe it. I'm terrified of snakes. Spiders, bugs, mtn lions, I'm all good. But snakes...ugh.

I run into a few every year on my mountain bike. And yes, I scream like a little girl.
 
2013-03-16 10:56:34 AM  
Rattlesnake = good eats.

/for real
 
2013-03-16 10:59:16 AM  

Infobahn: cygnusx13: Lived in AZ for 30+ years.

Spent lots of days out in the desert.

Seen a grand total of 1 rattler who was pissed off enough to bother coiling up and rattling.

THIS


I will never forget the day my mother opened the front door to go get the mail, screamed, and slammed the door shut.  There was a farking rattlesnake right at the door.  Rude of it just to sit on the porch like that.  It could have at least rung the doorbell.

/dad was also stupid enough to get bit by a baby rattlesnake
//almost lost his thumb
 
2013-03-16 11:03:27 AM  

litespeed74: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I wish I could believe it. I'm terrified of snakes. Spiders, bugs, mtn lions, I'm all good. But snakes...ugh.

I run into a few every year on my mountain bike. And yes, I scream like a little girl.


Red on black, friend of Jack.  Red on yellow, hurt a fellow.

images.emedicinehealth.com
 
2013-03-16 11:06:53 AM  
Arizona: come for the snakes, stay for the crazy
 
2013-03-16 11:21:14 AM  

ga362: Rattlesnake = good eats.

/for real


You like boneless, skinless, flavorless chicken  breasts, too.
 
2013-03-16 11:22:44 AM  
Well then, I guess it's a good thing people are far too large for rattlesnakes to consider them prey.
 
2013-03-16 11:23:36 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: litespeed74: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I wish I could believe it. I'm terrified of snakes. Spiders, bugs, mtn lions, I'm all good. But snakes...ugh.

I run into a few every year on my mountain bike. And yes, I scream like a little girl.

Red on black, friend of Jack.  Red on yellow, hurt a fellow.

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motores.com.py
 
2013-03-16 12:05:05 PM  

Great Justice: SpdrJay: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.

I'm curious as to why you think that rattlesnakes are non-lethal

None have ever killed me!

A rattlesnake killed me once!

/I got better


One actually DID kill me once. After being hit with the defibrillator three times, I got better.
 
2013-03-16 12:19:50 PM  
Glad you survived :-)
 
2013-03-16 12:36:05 PM  
Palo Duro Canyon, Texas
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2013-03-16 12:40:43 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Red on black, friend of Jack. Red on yellow, hurt a fellow.

phhhhhttttttttt that's backwards, the milk snake goes on the left
 
2013-03-16 12:41:42 PM  

squibbits: Let's make a big deal out of nothing. Plenty of warning (rattling), limited strike distance (8 inches) and non-lethal. I'd be more worried about the killer bees.


Vet clinic my wife works at runs a pool to pick when the first snakebite comes in. She won last year. Sadly, pooches don't understand (unless they are trained specifically) that you gotta leave those things alone and that they're not cool toys.

/it's also a problem that a lot of rattlers don't rattle anymore
//simple evolution - people hear a rattle and they kill the snake
///don't rattle and they don't find you and kill you
 
2013-03-16 01:06:17 PM  
I ran across this Arizona Black Rattlesnake last July:


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I kinda wish I'd see more rattlesnakes - they're delicious. All the kingsnakes in my yard seem to keep it rattlesnake free.
 
2013-03-16 01:06:21 PM  
azpenguin:
Vet clinic my wife works at runs a pool to pick when the first snakebite comes in. She won last year. Sadly, pooches don't understand (unless they are trained specifically) that you gotta leave those things alone and that they're not cool toys.

Yeah, I'm more worried about my dog getting bit up here in the Calif high desert than I am about myself.
 
2013-03-16 01:23:24 PM  
What's GREAT is that apparently idiot humans are applying a selective pressure on rattle snakes. I seem to recall reading they're becoming progressively quieter/evolving to make less of a warning-because the ones that *DO* warn loudly wind up eliciting the reaction of "OH SHIAT! RATTLE SNAKE! KILL IT!". So the quieter ones survive more.

/I admit though that I DO hate copperheads. Those things are mean little farkers.
 
2013-03-16 01:28:46 PM  

Felgraf: What's GREAT is that apparently idiot humans are applying a selective pressure on rattle snakes. I seem to recall reading they're becoming progressively quieter/evolving to make less of a warning-because the ones that *DO* warn loudly wind up eliciting the reaction of "OH SHIAT! RATTLE SNAKE! KILL IT!". So the quieter ones survive more.


Evolution is a beautiful thing.

//no poisonous snakes in Maine. At least as long as copperheads in Eastern New Hampshire respect our border.
 
2013-03-16 02:47:56 PM  

JesseL: I ran across this Arizona Black Rattlesnake last July:

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I kinda wish I'd see more rattlesnakes - they're delicious. All the kingsnakes in my yard seem to keep it rattlesnake free.

Beautiful.

It kinda makes up for my disappointment there hasn't been tea party/don't tread on me reference.
 
2013-03-16 03:13:35 PM  

Novart: I take kind of the opposite view: Rattlesnakes have a great warning system. Accidents aside, we're lucky to have this particular snake.


This, really. I was in Australia and was terrified that I was going to run into one of its very deadly serpents (where I was the dominant species were Tigers and Dugites, with Dugites being more common and less venomous). Of course none of their snakes will warn you with a rattle, so you have to see them to know they're there... Gimme a rattlesnake any day. On second thought, how about no? Where I grew up we killed most of ours (Massasaugas) in a roundup in the 60s, so I have no experience with them.

Felgraf: What's GREAT is that apparently idiot humans are applying a selective pressure on rattle snakes. I seem to recall reading they're becoming progressively quieter/evolving to make less of a warning-because the ones that *DO* warn loudly wind up eliciting the reaction of "OH SHIAT! RATTLE SNAKE! KILL IT!". So the quieter ones survive more.

I've heard that too and think it's fascinating.
 
2013-03-16 06:28:54 PM  
I can't speak for the Scottsdale variety, but in Ark, TN, NC - the eastern diamondbacks can apparently control/contain/regulate the amount (if any) of venom delivered upon striking. They're not like cobras and don't have an apparent limited supply, so they're more 'discriminating' with such assets.

Eastern Diamondbacks don't occur in AR or TN, and are pretty much extinct in the SE corner of NC where they used to exist.

I don't get all the fear over rattlesnakes.  I've worked with/caught for fun hundreds, if not thousands.  Most either rattle long before you see them or don't rattle at all, and only a tiny fraction try to bite- and that is nearly always after being hooked or picked up with tongs.  They're overall pretty easy going, and the same goes for copperheads and cottonmouth.  And before you start, I've heard all of the "it chased me" type stories about snake aggressiveness.  I guarantee I've seen more venomous snakes than you have, and I've yet to encounter that kind of behavior.
 
2013-03-16 09:06:54 PM  
Coincidentally, I came about 2 feet from stepping on a baby rattlesnake on my walk home last night (Southern Cal). First one I've seen since I moved here. Probably should have been more nervous of it than I was, but the afternoon was cooling down and it was pretty slow-moving. You can be goddamned sure I watched where I put my feet the rest of the walk home.
 
2013-03-17 12:43:37 AM  

slauer: Coincidentally, I came about 2 feet from stepping on a baby rattlesnake on my walk home last night (Southern Cal). First one I've seen since I moved here. Probably should have been more nervous of it than I was, but the afternoon was cooling down and it was pretty slow-moving. You can be goddamned sure I watched where I put my feet the rest of the walk home.


When you live in Arizona, you always watch where you put your hands and.feet. Rattlesnakes and scorpions and spiders, oh my.
 
2013-03-18 04:26:54 PM  

azpenguin: slauer: Coincidentally, I came about 2 feet from stepping on a baby rattlesnake on my walk home last night (Southern Cal). First one I've seen since I moved here. Probably should have been more nervous of it than I was, but the afternoon was cooling down and it was pretty slow-moving. You can be goddamned sure I watched where I put my feet the rest of the walk home.

When you live in Arizona, you always watch where you put your hands and.feet. Rattlesnakes and scorpions and spiders, oh my.


Not to mention cholla, mesquite, catclaw mimosa, etc.
 
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