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(Examiner)   Chicago Public School CEO says "Persepolis" by Marjane Satrapi isn't "banned," it's just removed from classrooms. Wait, what?   (examiner.com) divider line 61
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2013-03-16 01:33:19 AM
It's rather simple, subby. But apparently rather simple is too much for you, they explain it in the first damn paragraph. "Now, it is being purported by the administrative office of the Chicago Schools that the text is being removed from the seventh grade's literary curriculum, but - in accordance with the United States' First Amendment regarding free speech - the book is not being banned from schools and their libraries."
 
2013-03-16 01:37:02 AM
People have to pay for their own torture porn?!?! This is an outrage!
 
2013-03-16 07:26:34 AM
This would never happen in red state America.
 
2013-03-16 07:36:30 AM
I'm not sure I would assign her work to 7th graders. As much as I worship the ground she walks on.
 
2013-03-16 08:46:40 AM

johnryan51: This would never happen in red state America.


Bet it's not even in the libraries of the schools in the blue states. No need to know anything about any other culture there.
 
2013-03-16 08:51:48 AM
I am in favor of this if the book is crappy. I wish many of the "classics" were banned.
 
2013-03-16 08:54:08 AM
 
2013-03-16 08:54:16 AM
Since its a blue state Im sure it wont be considered cool to post pics of Nazi book burnings.
 
2013-03-16 08:55:26 AM

sno man: johnryan51: This would never happen in red state America.

Bet it's not even in the libraries of the schools in the blue states. No need to know anything about any other culture there.


The colours are reversed in the States dude.
 
2013-03-16 09:00:58 AM
I had never heard of this book, but simply seeing that's it's illustrated makes ask what the hell it's doing in a middle school classrom in the first place.  Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?
 
2013-03-16 09:02:33 AM

Last of the Crazy People: sno man: johnryan51: This would never happen in red state America.

Bet it's not even in the libraries of the schools in the blue states. No need to know anything about any other culture there.

The colours are reversed in the States dude.


heh, yea my bad... not coffee'd yet.

/no need to know about strange cultures indeed...
//that really is f'd up you know... but it does make stuff like "the Red Menace" and "better dead than red" really funny coming from the right.
 
2013-03-16 09:03:56 AM

KangTheMad: It's rather simple, subby. But apparently rather simple is too much for you, they explain it in the first damn paragraph. "Now, it is being purported by the administrative office of the Chicago Schools that the text is being removed from the seventh grade's literary curriculum, but - in accordance with the United States' First Amendment regarding free speech - the book is not being banned from schools and their libraries."


Kind of like science books in Texas.
 
2013-03-16 09:06:39 AM

sno man: johnryan51: This would never happen in red state America.

Bet it's not even in the libraries of the schools in the blue states. No need to know anything about any other culture there.


What are libraries? We don't have money for that. We are too busy shoveling our money down to the red states. Someday we hope to be free thinking like you guys.
 
2013-03-16 09:07:46 AM
"So, we're not actually burning the books.  We are merely raising their surface temperature to four hundred and fifty one degrees, at which point the books spontaneously combust of their own volition."
 
2013-03-16 09:08:13 AM

Jarhead_h: I had never heard of this book, but simply seeing that's it's illustrated makes ask what the hell it's doing in a middle school classrom in the first place.  Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?


Maybe you should look into this book before just spouting off. Just because it is illustrated does not mean that it is not written for adults.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepolis_(comics)
 
2013-03-16 09:09:52 AM
"Oh no, we're not throwing that person in prison.  We are just providing them with a structured environment designed to adjust their behavior to a desired norm while learning the vocational skill of making license plates."
 
2013-03-16 09:09:52 AM

Jarhead_h: Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?


It's an excellent and highly personal recounting of life in Iran around the Revolution. The fact that it's in graphic novel form does nothing to really alter its merit in that regard.
 
2013-03-16 09:12:49 AM
"Oh no, we aren't violating the 1st amendment.  We're just protecting the moral standards of our society, as defined as 'whatever I believe in' ."
 
2013-03-16 09:13:14 AM

sno man: Last of the Crazy People: sno man: johnryan51: This would never happen in red state America.

Bet it's not even in the libraries of the schools in the blue states. No need to know anything about any other culture there.

The colours are reversed in the States dude.

heh, yea my bad... not coffee'd yet.

/no need to know about strange cultures indeed...
//that really is f'd up you know... but it does make stuff like "the Red Menace" and "better dead than red" really funny coming from the right.


You can thank CNN for that. They did up an election day map with red and blue one year and it stuck. I always get a small, short chuckle about the red thing. Very short because then I consider how fond they are of sobriety check points, making one show ID everywhere to obtain basic rights, voter suppression, militarizing police, torture, and unifying the intelligence and investigative agencies under a single umbrella. And the color red suddenly seems prophetic.
 
2013-03-16 09:14:25 AM

t3knomanser: Jarhead_h: Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?

It's an excellent and highly personal recounting of life in Iran around the Revolution. The fact that it's in graphic novel form does nothing to really alter its merit in that regard.


There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader. It's a great starting point for good discussions about perceptions of Iran.
 
2013-03-16 09:15:51 AM

Jarhead_h: I had never heard of this book, but simply seeing that's it's illustrated makes ask what the hell it's doing in a middle school classrom in the first place.  Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?


It's a graphic novel, telling the life story of the author, who grew up in Shah and then Ayatollah controlled Iran before being sent to Europe for school because things were getting too crazy in Iran. It basically covers the kind of craziness you'd get when a young woman is separated from her family and culture during her young adulthood. It's rather powerful and and saw a movie release as well. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808417/?ref_=sr_1
 
2013-03-16 09:28:05 AM
If they're assigning comic books to be read in seventh grade, I think I see why reading scores aren't what they used to be.
 
2013-03-16 09:30:56 AM

moonscatter: t3knomanser: Jarhead_h: Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?

It's an excellent and highly personal recounting of life in Iran around the Revolution. The fact that it's in graphic novel form does nothing to really alter its merit in that regard.

There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader. It's a great starting point for good discussions about perceptions of Iran.


The "problem" with the book is it is humanizing the country and it's people.  Bad for government business when/if the bombing starts.  We don't want to think about killing real people like us.
 
2013-03-16 09:32:47 AM
These kinds of things mostly seem to me to be symptoms of something else...but in this case not enough info to know what that something else is.

I think that the issue here is what is considered to be age appropriate for the curriculum...and who is responsible for that determination. Fifty shades of grey would not be appropriate for a HS library let alone middle school, but not including it in the curriculum or housing it in the library is not akin to banning it.

Further, a local school library simply does not have the resources to house hardcopies of all known books.
 
2013-03-16 09:32:50 AM

moonscatter: There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader.


I would agree. But I tend to think that we should expect much more maturity from our children than we currently do.
 
2013-03-16 09:35:11 AM

oukewldave: Bad for government business when/if the bombing starts.


Open war with Iran would be the dumbest thing the government could do. If you want to topple the Ayatollah, just  wait (and make sure you don't Iran do anything utterly stupid in the meantime). There's a huge population of youth in Iran who have no love for the current regime. The hardline supporters are getting old and dying off.
 
2013-03-16 09:37:19 AM

t3knomanser: Jarhead_h: Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?

It's an excellent and highly personal recounting of life in Iran around the Revolution. The fact that it's in graphic novel form does nothing to really alter its merit in that regard.


When I was in middle school we read "Maus" in lit class. First real graphic novel I ever read, it opened my eyes to the genre.

Oh yeah, we also learned about the european holocaust too.
 
2013-03-16 09:40:33 AM
I don't see how banning Greek mythology in schools is going to help anything.

Perseus is a perfectly cromulent hero.
 
2013-03-16 09:46:23 AM

KangTheMad: It's rather simple, subby. But apparently rather simple is too much for you, they explain it in the first damn paragraph. "Now, it is being purported by the administrative office of the Chicago Schools that the text is being removed from the seventh grade's literary curriculum, but - in accordance with the United States' First Amendment regarding free speech - the book is not being banned from schools and their libraries."


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CPS is backpedaling..... they WERE banning it and planning to remove ALL copies from classrooms and libraries until the Chicago Teachers Union began leaking the letters to the media. Now, they are just saying they wanted it removed from the 7th grade curriculum.
 
2013-03-16 09:49:57 AM

Jarhead_h: I had never heard of this book, but simply seeing that's it's illustrated makes ask what the hell it's doing in a middle school classrom in the first place.  Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?


Not sure what you have against illustrations or how that statement even makes sense. I would think it would make kids more likely to read the book. Just because something resembles something else doesn't mean they're the same. Why, I bet Archie and Jughead aren't even in Perseopolis. And I don't think Odie and Nermal show up until Perseopolis II: The Halalasagna Caper.
 
2013-03-16 10:05:29 AM
Torture, humiliation, some guy peeing on some other guy... no problem.

Should be good for kindergarteners.

As long as there is nothing that looks like a gun.
 
2013-03-16 10:11:59 AM

NephilimNexus: "Oh no, we aren't violating the 1st amendment.  We're just protecting the moral standards of our society, as defined as 'whatever I believe in' ."


Indeed.  School senior administrators seem to have a communicable disease that renders them unable to engage in any sort of critical thinking or understanding of nuance.
 
2013-03-16 10:24:43 AM
Maus was assigned reading for one of my higher level college history classes. And my fiancee had to read Persepolis for one of her 400 level international studies classes.

But you know, theyre comic books, so theyre for children.
 
2013-03-16 10:27:10 AM
This is probably the best thing that could happen for sales of that book.
 
2013-03-16 10:29:16 AM
FTFA: Therefore, the book has obviously been taken out of some schools - the many schools without libraries...

I'm just gobsmacked at the very idea of schools without libraries.  How the fark does that work? Not well, I'm guessing.
 
2013-03-16 10:34:51 AM
They don't gotta burn the books
They just remove 'em
 
2013-03-16 10:36:01 AM

Jarhead_h: I had never heard of this book, but simply seeing that's it's illustrated makes ask what the hell it's doing in a middle school classrom in the first place.  Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?


Ever read "Gray's Anatomy," text-snob?
 
2013-03-16 10:37:46 AM

suziequzie: FTFA: Therefore, the book has obviously been taken out of some schools - the many schools without libraries...

I'm just gobsmacked at the very idea of schools without libraries.  How the fark does that work? Not well, I'm guessing.


This. The real story is that more than 150 Chicago elementary schools lack libraries.
 
2013-03-16 10:44:40 AM

moonscatter: There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader.


There are visual depictions of torture, nudity, sex, drug use, murder, and war. I don't think it should be banned from a school, but I can understand why a parent might not want their child exposed to it that young.
 
2013-03-16 10:52:00 AM
But I'm sure Maus I and Maus II are still cool, right?

Cause 'merica is all about the Jew love, not so much the persian love.
 
2013-03-16 10:59:47 AM

NephilimNexus: "Oh no, we aren't violating the 1st amendment.  We're just protecting the moral standards of our society, as defined as 'whatever I believe in' ."


Reading lists for school curriculum have never changed! EVER!
 
2013-03-16 11:00:37 AM

karl2025: moonscatter: There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader.

There are visual depictions of torture, nudity, sex, drug use, murder, and war. I don't think it should be banned from a school, but I can understand why a parent might not want their child exposed to it that young.


You are the only person in the world who thinks torture, nudity, sex, drug use, murder and war could be news to seventh graders.

Based on my personal playground memories, most middle-schoolers had first hand knowledge of numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 on your list.  The war and torture usually involved a whack on the head with some chestnuts on a string, but still.
 
2013-03-16 11:02:13 AM

BolloxReader: sno man: Last of the Crazy People: sno man: johnryan51: This would never happen in red state America.

Bet it's not even in the libraries of the schools in the blue states. No need to know anything about any other culture there.

The colours are reversed in the States dude.

heh, yea my bad... not coffee'd yet.

/no need to know about strange cultures indeed...
//that really is f'd up you know... but it does make stuff like "the Red Menace" and "better dead than red" really funny coming from the right.

You can thank CNN for that. They did up an election day map with red and blue one year and it stuck. I always get a small, short chuckle about the red thing. Very short because then I consider how fond they are of sobriety check points, making one show ID everywhere to obtain basic rights, voter suppression, militarizing police, torture, and unifying the intelligence and investigative agencies under a single umbrella. And the color red suddenly seems prophetic.


Yeap. No crazy militarized police structures in those blue states. Stupid red states with their soda bans, terry stops, and probably illegal body searches. Stop being so red NYC!
 
2013-03-16 11:05:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: suziequzie: FTFA: Therefore, the book has obviously been taken out of some schools - the many schools without libraries...

I'm just gobsmacked at the very idea of schools without libraries.  How the fark does that work? Not well, I'm guessing.

This. The real story is that more than 150 Chicago elementary schools lack libraries.


More kids means more demand for classrooms in buildings that weren't designed for them, and less space for things like libraries.
Books cost money.
Librarians cost money.
Libraries tend to lose books to forgetful or malicious kids, and parents think they don't have to pay for them because, after all, their tax dollars bought them.
Private schools use computers instead of libraries.
It's Chicago. 1 in 4 elementary schools lack a library. 51 high schools lack a library. For one school, parents and teachers had to stage a month-long sit-in just to get what would be considered a primitive library 50 years ago.
 
2013-03-16 11:25:37 AM

karl2025: moonscatter: There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader.

There are visual depictions of torture, nudity, sex, drug use, murder, and war. I don't think it should be banned from a school, but I can understand why a parent might not want their child exposed to it that young.


Because the parents think their kids are natural-born killers just waiting for their depraved lusts to be triggered?
 
2013-03-16 11:34:14 AM

bill4935: karl2025: moonscatter: There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader.

There are visual depictions of torture, nudity, sex, drug use, murder, and war. I don't think it should be banned from a school, but I can understand why a parent might not want their child exposed to it that young.

You are the only person in the world who thinks torture, nudity, sex, drug use, murder and war could be news to seventh graders.

Based on my personal playground memories, most middle-schoolers had first hand knowledge of numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 on your list.  The war and torture usually involved a whack on the head with some chestnuts on a string, but still.


Keep in mind it's Chicago, I'd bet a solid percentage have first hand knowledge of 5 as well.
 
2013-03-16 11:36:09 AM

oukewldave: moonscatter: t3knomanser: Jarhead_h: Not against illustrated work for pleasure reading, but academic?

It's an excellent and highly personal recounting of life in Iran around the Revolution. The fact that it's in graphic novel form does nothing to really alter its merit in that regard.

There is nothing in that book that is inappropriate for a 7th grader. It's a great starting point for good discussions about perceptions of Iran.

The "problem" with the book is it is humanizing the country and it's people.  Bad for government business when/if the bombing starts.  We don't want to think about killing real people like us.


Nailed it.
 
2013-03-16 11:45:31 AM
"banned", "removed".  It's all semantics.
 
2013-03-16 11:46:06 AM

SomeoneDumb: If they're assigning comic books to be read in seventh grade, I think I see why reading scores aren't what they used to be.


First of all, comic books can be a great way to get kids to read. Second, this book is pretty heavy reading. And lastly, go see the movie. It's awesome.
 
2013-03-16 12:18:09 PM

Hermione_Granger: SomeoneDumb: If they're assigning comic books to be read in seventh grade, I think I see why reading scores aren't what they used to be.

First of all, comic books can be a great way to get kids to read. Second, this book is pretty heavy reading. And lastly, go see the movie. It's awesome.


Yeah, there's a part where a man is whipped, burned with an iron, and peed on. That might be a bit much for 7th graders.

If you want to know why it was removed, a parent complained that her precious snowflake should read about Arabs. Schools don't randomly do stuff like this. Somebody complained.
 
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