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(KETV Omaha)   God doesn't want you to drink hard liquor on a Sunday morning* since that is the holy time. (*unless the bar buys an extra permit)   (ketv.com) divider line 40
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2013-03-16 08:11:32 AM  
so alco pops are still fine??
 
2013-03-16 08:24:53 AM  
Thanks, Ohama!
 
2013-03-16 08:27:41 AM  
The Sabbath is Saturday. All Jews know this and in Italian the word for Sabbath and Saturday is the same; Sabato. So there.
 
2013-03-16 08:35:11 AM  
I don't roll on Shabaz, Dude!
 
2013-03-16 08:51:01 AM  

dobro: The Sabbath is Saturday. All Jews know this and in Italian the word for Sabbath and Saturday is the same; Sabato. So there.


I'd like to know which day the FSM says is the day of rest.

All of them?
 
2013-03-16 08:55:24 AM  

Rufus Lee King: I don't wanna jump on the bandwagon against Christians, but Jeez, dudes, make up your minds about this.

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Technically, the bible forbids drunkenness, not drinking in general.  As you can tell by Jesus dying on the cross and not of dysentery.  Temperance is an extremist movement, essentially following the same logic as sects that forbid dancing in order to prevent premarital sex, or demand that food be killed by bleeding to satisfy the prohibition on raw blood/flesh.

Basically one of the world's oldest slippery slope arguments, which even most christian denominations/sects kinda roll their eyes at.  They've got influence in the US because of the good old squeaky wheel effect, the kind of people that subscribe to slippery slope logic tend to be the stupidest and thus the most loudly certain in their convictions.  It's not actually a result of anything inherent in the religion.  For, y'know, once.

//Always weirded out by people that insist that anti-homosexuality stuff isn't in the religion when it's explicitly mentioned in the new testament several times, but have no problem with temperance laws which are essentially actually the false pretense of religion that they're claiming the very explicit anti-gay stuff is.  Then, I should probably have derived from its name that apologetics would be deigned to kill brain cells in anyone trained in actual logic.
 
2013-03-16 09:02:38 AM  

dobro: The Sabbath is Saturday. All Jews know this and in Italian the word for Sabbath and Saturday is the same; Sabato. So there.


You're correct.  The Sabbath is Saturday.  It technically still is in Christianity as well, although most Christians don't have the doctrinal background to back that up, and because we go to church on Sunday instead of Saturday, it's easy to get confused over which day is the holy one.  So, in the common parlance of the uneducated masses, Sunday is the Sabbath, whereas those who have any sort of religious knowledge and understanding know it to be Saturday.

Feel better?
 
2013-03-16 09:03:00 AM  
Why should Sunday morning be any different than any other morning during the week?...

It's done with the standard, institutionalized religious flare - I gulp 'the blood' (usually mixed with orange juice) and eat 'the body' (percocet - flattened into proper wafer, sacramentally shaped and evathing) and then I  act self-rightous and pious, announcing in a loud, heartfelt voice my displeasure with that which I view/hear on my TV.

Amidoingitrite?... yes, I believe I am.

/lifts face toward heaven amidst volumetric and backlit cloud/nature/hands/faces - all in slowmo with low camera POV.
 
2013-03-16 09:09:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Rufus Lee King: I don't wanna jump on the bandwagon against Christians, but Jeez, dudes, make up your minds about this.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x536]

Technically, the bible forbids drunkenness, not drinking in general.  As you can tell by Jesus dying on the cross and not of dysentery

performing his first miracle by spiking the punch at a wedding.
 
2013-03-16 09:11:05 AM  
God drinks in mysterious ways.
 
2013-03-16 09:14:01 AM  
fark blue laws.
 
2013-03-16 09:23:00 AM  

opiumpoopy: dobro: The Sabbath is Saturday. All Jews know this and in Italian the word for Sabbath and Saturday is the same; Sabato. So there.

I'd like to know which day the FSM says is the day of rest.

All of them?


obviously the day he doesn't work and shoots up meth
 
2013-03-16 09:24:56 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Rufus Lee King: I don't wanna jump on the bandwagon against Christians, but Jeez, dudes, make up your minds about this.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x536]

Technically, the bible forbids drunkenness, not drinking in general.  As you can tell by Jesus dying on the cross and not of dysentery.  Temperance is an extremist movement, essentially following the same logic as sects that forbid dancing in order to prevent premarital sex, or demand that food be killed by bleeding to satisfy the prohibition on raw blood/flesh.

Basically one of the world's oldest slippery slope arguments, which even most christian denominations/sects kinda roll their eyes at.  They've got influence in the US because of the good old squeaky wheel effect, the kind of people that subscribe to slippery slope logic tend to be the stupidest and thus the most loudly certain in their convictions.  It's not actually a result of anything inherent in the religion.  For, y'know, once.

//Always weirded out by people that insist that anti-homosexuality stuff isn't in the religion when it's explicitly mentioned in the new testament several times, but have no problem with temperance laws which are essentially actually the false pretense of religion that they're claiming the very explicit anti-gay stuff is.  Then, I should probably have derived from its name that apologetics would be deigned to kill brain cells in anyone trained in actual logic.


It's one of my biggest frustrations about the public debate, today. "Slippery slope" arguments are as fallacious, and logically flawed as any other fallacious argument (strawman, ad hom, etc.) - but it is very, very difficult to point this out to those who embrace them - and I think it is because it is an effective "last ditch" defense when you have essentially lost an argument: "Well I may not be able to prove that this is a bad idea - but if we carry it to it's absurdly extreme logical conclusion, it would be."
 
2013-03-16 09:34:41 AM  
Why should a liquor store have to purchase an extra permit, just because Christians don't want to buy alcohol on Sunday morning?  If you need to pass laws to close down liquor stores to keep yourself from buying booze on Sunday, your religion is weak, your God is weak, and your will is weak.

None of these things are the liquor store's problem.
 
2013-03-16 09:35:23 AM  
It's not god's fault... it's 90% of the chimps that worship him.
 
2013-03-16 09:50:58 AM  
My favorite part of going to services, was noticing the 'Narthex Transition" wherein folks would shake hands/fellowship, sing, listen, pray, etc... play all nice as they file out of the sanctuary/chapel then, by the time they'd reach their car, they were swearing about traffic, appointments, practices, etc before they had taken off their clip-on ties...

/Post-Methodist
 
2013-03-16 09:55:02 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Why should a liquor store have to purchase an extra permit, just because Christians don't want to buy alcohol on Sunday morning?  If you need to pass laws to close down liquor stores to keep yourself from buying booze on Sunday, your religion is weak, your God is weak, and your will is weak.

None of these things are the liquor store's problem.


why can't we buy liquor 24/7 i see absolutely no problems with that.
 
2013-03-16 10:05:47 AM  
Then let God deal with me as He choose, and go fark yourself. Same thing with hating on the gays, no hunting on Sundays, or whatever other bullshiat view you want to cram down other peoples throats because you think the Bible tells you so. If God has a problem with something somebody is doing he can judge them when they're dead, but until then you're -supposed- to be acting with love and tolerance for your fellow man. There was a whole thing written about it, called the New Testament.
If you're Jewish, making your book the Old Testament, then maybe you've got a religious right to be a dick about things, because Old Testament god was pretty hard core, but Christians who are supposed to follow the New Testament don't have a holier-than-thou leg to stand on when it comes to judging or punishing others.
Don't know about the Muslims, never so much as looked at their book.
Think Buddhists are supposed to be cool about things too. Stay away from the Norse though. They have to die in battle to make it to their heaven.
I think that if you were to put a gun to my head and make me pick a deity to worship, I'd go with Bacchus/Dionysus. Then I'd pass a law making it mandatory to drink hard liquor on Sunday morning.

/Yeah the world would swing if I were king
 
2013-03-16 10:06:06 AM  
www.global-air.com

It is not clear what the modern response should be to requirements of the death penalty for desecrating the Sabbath, but smiting your neighbor for mowing his lawn would certainly make the evening news. (new window)
 
2013-03-16 10:08:43 AM  
Blue laws always annoyed the hell out of me.  Especially in SC, where businesses have restricted Sunday hours, until Christmas season, when they get lifted.
 
2013-03-16 10:19:10 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Rufus Lee King: I don't wanna jump on the bandwagon against Christians, but Jeez, dudes, make up your minds about this.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x536]

Technically, the bible forbids drunkenness, not drinking in general.  As you can tell by Jesus dying on the cross and not of dysentery.  Temperance is an extremist movement, essentially following the same logic as sects that forbid dancing in order to prevent premarital sex, or demand that food be killed by bleeding to satisfy the prohibition on raw blood/flesh.


"Temperance" and "prohibition" are two related but distinct concepts.  Temperance is a virtue that we are expected to practice and to encourage in others.  However, some folks are weak-willed and need a little help staying temperate, which is where prohibition comes in--it helps folks overcome temptation by putting the cause of it a little further out of reach.

Unfortunately, prohibition, when carried to extremes, is a violation of temperance itself--you may be helping the drunks, but at the expense of your fellow sober citizen who has no problem handling the occasional tipple.  There's no bright line separating the two extremes--both unrestricted access to alcohol and complete prohibition are bad things, but where you draw the cutoff point really depends who your neighbors are and what they're like.
 
2013-03-16 10:24:15 AM  

palelizard: Blue laws always annoyed the hell out of me.  Especially in SC, where businesses have restricted Sunday hours, until Christmas season, when they get lifted.


I've always wondered why an atheist business owner hasn't sued based on discrimination yet...
 
2013-03-16 10:27:05 AM  
Also, for extra entertainment value, keeping the sabbath holy is a demand of the old testament, which in Christian theology makes it a "fulfilled law" either not binding to anyone or binding only to the actual tribe of Israel, depending which Christian faction you're asking.  Jesus explicitly violates/overwrites the Jewish "don't do any work or partying" in several passages, and is called on it by Rabbis whom he tells to fark off at least once.

The reason we don't  work on Sunday (and Saturday) usually is  Labor Unions and has nothing to do with religion, before the 1920s they were standard workdays, which is why there are traditionally multiple church services/masses and one of them is early in the morning.  So people that try to justify sunday-related blue laws based on weekend labor traditions are  extra wrong.

//Just figured I'd throw that in there.
 
2013-03-16 10:33:22 AM  
Playing in a charity golf event tomorrow at 9 AM  Have to mix up a gallon of bloody marys just to get us to the 11:00 bell.. Silly prudes, you can't me sober on a weekend.
 
2013-03-16 10:33:36 AM  

Mouser: "Temperance" and "prohibition" are two related but distinct concepts.


Or, you know, I could be speaking in the context of blue laws, in which case the term refers to the Temperance  movement, which was the name of the religious groups that advocated and eventually passed prohibition in the US.

This would the the context that 99.99% of the people that have used the word since the late 1800s in the English-speaking world have meant it.  Yes, it is technically a classical virtue, but Pilgrim's Progress hasn't been required reading since the early 1800s, whereas 20th century US history tends to be common knowledge.

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2013-03-16 10:55:34 AM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: fark blue laws.

 
2013-03-16 10:56:20 AM  
Slippery Slope Arguments are fallacious? 

Pro-Choicers:  Fark you, any limit is a first step to a ban!
Pro-Gunners:  Fark you, any limit   "             "         " 

BSRB
 
2013-03-16 11:02:02 AM  
www.global-air.com

At midnight January 16, 1920, the United States went dry. Breweries, distilleries, and saloons closed their doors. Well, that solved things. (new window)
 
2013-03-16 11:05:31 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Also, for extra entertainment value, keeping the sabbath holy is a demand of the old testament, which in Christian theology makes it a "fulfilled law" either not binding to anyone or binding only to the actual tribe of Israel, depending which Christian faction you're asking.  Jesus explicitly violates/overwrites the Jewish "don't do any work or partying" in several passages, and is called on it by Rabbis whom he tells to fark off at least once.

The reason we don't  work on Sunday (and Saturday) usually is  Labor Unions and has nothing to do with religion, before the 1920s they were standard workdays, which is why there are traditionally multiple church services/masses and one of them is early in the morning.  So people that try to justify sunday-related blue laws based on weekend labor traditions are  extra wrong.

//Just figured I'd throw that in there.


All true; there's a bit more to it, though.

In Matt. 19:16-18, Jesus is asked what a man must do to earn eternal life.  "Keep the commandments," says Jesus. He's asked, "Which ones?" and he lists these:

"'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,honor your father and mother,and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

That's only six, and one is not among the Ten.  Idolatry, blasphemy, covetousness, etc., are OK.

Also, some mom-and-pop businesses like having one day a week off without losing to competitors who stay open on Sunday.
 
2013-03-16 12:15:34 PM  
Red state problems.
 
2013-03-16 01:13:30 PM  
Oh yeah? Well, let him come in here and stop me then.
 
2013-03-16 01:16:42 PM  
They just want you to get one little (extra) permit; then you can supersede the city code.  Can't you just indulge them?

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2013-03-16 02:22:44 PM  

Neo Geek: palelizard: Blue laws always annoyed the hell out of me.  Especially in SC, where businesses have restricted Sunday hours, until Christmas season, when they get lifted.

I've always wondered why an atheist business owner hasn't sued based on discrimination yet...


I expect the law is written very carefully to avoid mention of religious reasons, so one can argue that it's just an arbitrary day.
 
2013-03-16 02:26:28 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Also, some mom-and-pop businesses like having one day a week off without losing to competitors who stay open on Sunday.


I've never understood this argument. If you want to close one day a week, can't you jut be competitive on the remaining six? Does that one-day disadvantage somehow threaten your business? It's like if the store doesn't want to stock Product A, they just fail t reap any profits form Product A, but that doesn't mean they don't make money selling Products B, C, D, X, Y, and Z.
 
2013-03-16 02:40:37 PM  
There is no such thing as holy.
 
2013-03-16 03:07:34 PM  

Walker: Red state problems.


My blue state would like to differ
 
2013-03-16 03:25:17 PM  
Extra permit? What is this, Chicago?
 
2013-03-16 03:41:15 PM  
drunken irish in omaha? it's more likely than you think

maybe my cousin mike will lead the drunk parade out of the dubliner, around the block, and back downstairs once again. so if you see a crazy-haired crazy-eyed hooligan in a stupor downtown tell him I said hi
 
2013-03-16 03:50:52 PM  
Actually the Holy day is Saturday but it's about excuses and control and making money, not about actual doctrine.
 
2013-03-16 04:56:38 PM  

Walker: Red state problems.


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