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2013-03-16 11:12:55 AM  

GoldSpider: REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.

I can only speak for myself.  I get the impression from listening to her that she believes she is part of some contrived aristocratic class, lording over and talking down to the unwashed masses.


Thank God we have the Republicans to protect us from that kind of worldview!
 
2013-03-16 11:14:35 AM  

Summoner101: There is no length of party prosperity that the GOP can't rewrite out of their history.  These are the people that disacknowledge eight years of Bush.


You know, for people who claim that they couldn't possibly care less about what liberals or the MSM media or the New York Times think about them and theirs, they sure are swift to take offense at criticism and to attempt to whitewash their embarrassing past and its players.
 
2013-03-16 11:20:02 AM  

Jim_Callahan: quickdraw: Yeah we get it - she's a mature woman not a good old boy or bimbo. FWIW it only seems to be white males who don't like her and think she is uppity or "snobbish." 
To women she just looks like somebody trying to get shiat done.

Well, somebody appears to know less than nothing about district 12.  While I wouldn't insult her by calling their levels of skill or dedication comparable, she's basically in her seat for the same reason Rick Perry is in his: party machine politics.  She's an east-coast blue-blood from a political family that leveraged family and personal connections to grab a DNC seat, the connections from that to grab regional Party Chair, and her position there to grab the nomination to a "sure" district (at the time the 5th, now it's numbered 12).  This, as well as her seats as speaker, whip and minority leader, is a big part of the reason why she makes a very good symbol of the party as a whole where Obama really isn't.

Obama's a guy who more or less won local against the grain of the usual line of succession and then  supplanted the machine candidate in the primary (Mrs. Clinton) and went on to win the general against a well-regarded establishment candidate who seemed to genuinely respect him.  He's subsequently built his cabinet in a bipartisan fashion, refrained from the traditional partisan management purge, and compromised quite regularly with his opposition on various bills.  This is the other reason why Pelosi gets to be the dart-board for anti-party hate, the President, the guy who would normally represent the party, is very obviously not really a party man (especially in contrast to the last guy).

So... there's the actual, real answer why Pelosi gets to absorb the party hate.

//TL;DR version: 1. It's her job as whip/speaker/party lead, 2. She  is a good old boy, 3. Obama is not a good target if you want a symbol of the Dem. party so she's second choice.


I'm not sure you understand how boys and girls work.

/Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina and institutionally-constructed obstacles to power based on gender.

//Poor boys and poor girls also have institutionally-constructed obstacles to power based on wealth, so you'd think they'd work together more often.
 
2013-03-16 11:25:57 AM  

INeedAName: It's amazing how prophetic 'The West Wing' was. There was a scene where Josh Lyman was trying to get some legislation done with a moderate Republican but the Democratic leadership wasn't on board so they sunk it. The Republican basically said 'if you won't work with moderates, the party will shift farther right to gain votes.' It worries me to know there is still a 'farther right' that the party could go and we'll all be worse off for it.

We really need a third party that is perfectly moderate allowing Dems to sit farther left on social issues, business regulation, and the environment while the Repubs work the 'moral' issues on things like abortion, bigotry, and prejudice. This would free up the third party to garner most of the votes and let some politicians who aren't far enough for either party to come in out of the cold.


A moderate party would be the Dems. What you need is some representation from the left.

In every other industrialized country in the world, the Democrats would be center-right.
 
2013-03-16 11:28:33 AM  
REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.

For the same reason they all hate Hillary, conservatives have an irrational fear of a powerful vag.
 
2013-03-16 11:29:02 AM  
I'm spending a scintillating Satuday watching CPAC coverage. Interesting entertainment in a creepy way.
 
2013-03-16 11:47:24 AM  

INeedAName: BolloxReader: INeedAName:

We really need a third party that is perfectly moderate allowing Dems to sit farther left on social issues, business regulation, and the environment while the Repubs work the 'moral' issues on things like abortion, bigotry, and prejudice. This would free up the third party to garner most of the votes and let some politicians who aren't far enough for either party to come in out of the cold.Democrats can't go left. They have to be the party of moderates. Remove the Blue Dogs and they don't have the numbers to get anything done. What we need is for the Green Party or something like it to claim the territory of progressives, one that focuses on anti-corporatism, rolling back impediments to personal liberties ("free speech zones," parade licenses, warrantless wiretapping, pretty much all of the PATRIOT ACT) and promoting local and state reforms that permit experimentation with green tech.Sure... if the Green Party could get itself together. We would actually be better off with the Dems moving left and taking over for the Green Party leaving a moderate chunk of the populace to win over. It's easier to gain votes in the middle than on the wings.

Except that the Tea Party has proven exactly the opposite, that you CAN influence the votes on the wings, the only problem was they did it inside the Republican party, instead of on the outside.

Nah, I think a third party at this point will show up left of the Democrats. That'll push the Dems further right, and the Republicans will pretty much be squashed out of history.

/I can dream can't I?
 
2013-03-16 12:16:30 PM  
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2013-03-16 12:21:29 PM  

King Something: [www.executedtoday.com image 440x294]


Stalin:  Ruling pixels before photoshoppin' was cool.
 
2013-03-16 12:21:31 PM  

born_yesterday: Thank God we have the Republicans to protect us from that kind of worldview!


Theirs is a whole different brand of stupidity.
 
2013-03-16 12:22:23 PM  

IvanTheSilent: SomeoneDumb: Was Romney "blurred" like it said in TFA, which might imply an active manipulation of the video to diminish him, or just out of focus, like it looked in the screenshot?

I took it to mean "They even interviewed someone else while Romney was talking, as seen by him standing in the background of this shot."


Good answer

/Today's Pet Peeve: Ambiguity in the English language, intentional or no
 
2013-03-16 12:28:21 PM  
Fun facts: Pelosi is from Baltimore and DiFi was a rodeo queen.
 
2013-03-16 12:37:48 PM  
A little bit like Farkers wanting to forget all the shiat they said on this board right after 9/11.

Humans can ignore all kinds of shiat when convenient.
 
2013-03-16 12:49:34 PM  
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2013-03-16 12:58:19 PM  

Altitude5280: [img.photobucket.com image 799x567]Invited.


Is that Tina Fey?
 
2013-03-16 01:18:32 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Altitude5280: [img.photobucket.com image 799x567]Invited.

Is that Tina Fey?


Whoever it is, she's got Peg Bundy hair.
 
2013-03-16 01:19:52 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Altitude5280: [img.photobucket.com image 799x567]Invited.

Is that Tina Fey?

It's actually Palin herself. I just watched her herp a derp speech on CSPAN. Joked that the ice cubes were low cal.
 
2013-03-16 01:26:07 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.
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It's hard to get people to have a deep level of hatred against lots of individuals, the message gets diluted, it's difficult to get people to focus and the individuals change a lot. It's much more efficient to get your followers to hate one specific individual who you know will be around for a long time and then associate all your other opponents with that person. It's why you see all those "X voted with Pelosi 98% of the time last year, tell X we don't want Pelosi's extremist policies in Washington".
 
2013-03-16 01:36:11 PM  

Altitude5280: Bennie Crabtree: Altitude5280: [img.photobucket.com image 799x567]Invited.

Is that Tina Fey?
It's actually Palin herself. I just watched her herp a derp speech on CSPAN. Joked that the ice cubes were low cal.


It's so depressing that they're revolt against Michelle Obama now means celebrating being a fatass.  Promoting SODA?  That stuff is pure empty calories that you can suck fast down a straw mixed with an addictive chemical.  I hope the idiots kill themselves off with obesity.
 
2013-03-16 01:47:06 PM  

Esc7: It's so depressing that they're revolt against Michelle Obama now means celebrating being a fatass. Promoting SODA?


Yep.  Promoting soda.  And half of the country will applaud them for taking a stand against the n*gger.

/(Yeah, we know Obama had nothing to do with the attempted New York ban, but we have functional frontal lobes)
 
2013-03-16 02:13:02 PM  

GoldSpider: REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.

I can only speak for myself.  I get the impression from listening to her that she believes she is part of some contrived aristocratic class, lording over and talking down to the unwashed masses.


That's a pretty accurate description of the Republican Party.
 
2013-03-16 02:28:50 PM  

Esc7: It's so depressing that they're revolt against Michelle Obama now means celebrating being a fatass.  Promoting SODA?  That stuff is pure empty calories that you can suck fast down a straw mixed with an addictive chemical.  I hope the idiots kill themselves off with obesity.


Yknow, Palin might be a lot of things ending in "ass", not the least of which being "dumb", but "fat" is not one of them.

I suppose you support Bloomberg's law too?
 
2013-03-16 02:56:37 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: Nice try. Voted and volunteered for Hillary in PA, and think Pelosi, Boxer and DiFi too, are coonts.


What about Hilldawgs personality separates her from Pelosi? They're both - and I mean this as a compliment - ballbusters. As a woman in a man's environment you have to be twice as strong as the men. This is frequently misconstrued as "b*tch." Both Clinton and Pelosi share these traits and appear equally assertive. How does Pelosi differ in your opinion?
 
2013-03-16 03:14:49 PM  
Coverage is for closers.
 
2013-03-16 03:35:50 PM  

HeartBurnKid: REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.

Simple; she's good at her job, and she's not on their side.


Yep. She's a credible threat to them. So they demonize her.
 
2013-03-16 03:44:36 PM  

Evil High Priest: HeartBurnKid: REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.

Simple; she's good at her job, and she's not on their side.

Yep. She's a credible threat to them. So they demonize her.


Yup, they do the same by calling Joe Biden dumb. He's apparently so dumb that he totally schooled the GOP's suposed budget expert in the VP debates.

Standard Republican projection is all that it is.
 
2013-03-16 03:53:04 PM  

max_pooper: Evil High Priest: HeartBurnKid: REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.

Simple; she's good at her job, and she's not on their side.

Yep. She's a credible threat to them. So they demonize her.

Yup, they do the same by calling Joe Biden dumb. He's apparently so dumb that he totally schooled the GOP's suposed budget expert in the VP debates.

Standard Republican projection is all that it is.


Yeah, Biden makes gaffes, but that is one highly intelligent man.  I'm sure as stated above, he's good for a fart joke or two, but watching the VP debate was pretty awesome.  To me anyway.
 
2013-03-16 04:39:11 PM  

Summoner101: There is no length of party prosperity that the GOP can't rewrite out of their history.  These are the people that disacknowledge eight years of Bush.


They were denying that they ever called themselves "Teabaggers," about four seconds after they learned why everybody else was snickering.
 
2013-03-16 05:03:48 PM  
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Big Gulp laced with what?  She looks more than a little scheisse-gesicht.
 
2013-03-16 05:13:24 PM  
He was too RINOish to win.  We need a strong conservative like David Duke or Genghis Khan to win the next one.
 
2013-03-16 06:09:16 PM  

lilbjorn: Big Gulp laced with what?  She looks more than a little scheisse-gesicht.


The hilariously moranic thing about Palin's stunt is that Big Gulps (trade marked by 7-Eleven) were exempt from Bloomberg's large sized soda ban.
 
2013-03-16 06:25:51 PM  

King Something: Bennie Crabtree: Altitude5280: [img.photobucket.com image 799x567]Invited.

Is that Tina Fey?

Whoever it is, she's got Peg Bundy hair.


That's it.

I was trying to figure out who the former beauty queen, current grifter at large was morphing into and you just nailed it.

wildcardjack: [www.colbertnewshub.com image 697x393]

If only I could remember that name. What was it? Glove?


I wanna say... Flip? I dunno.

HeartBurnKid: REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.

Simple; she's good at her job, and she's not on their side.


Also 20 plus years of Pavlovian anti-Pelosi bell ringing by RW media have a large number of low-info dogs not just salivating when they hear her name but foaming by this point.

That noted I was a little cheesed at her at the time for her "impeachment is off the table" remarks when it became obvious the Bush cabal had lied a nation into war.

Still a little pissed to be honest.

She can come across as a little stand offish at times. I've never regarded her as a "warm" women by any stretch or someone (to use the cliche) I'd "like to have a beer with", just a really effective political operator who gets things done in a world that's not always friendly to her gender. Gotta admire her for that.
 
2013-03-16 06:43:44 PM  

max_pooper: lilbjorn: Big Gulp laced with what?  She looks more than a little scheisse-gesicht.

The hilariously moranic thing about Palin's stunt is that Big Gulps (trade marked by 7-Eleven) were exempt from Bloomberg's large sized soda ban.


Well. In her defense, she's a moron.

Also.

All of them.
 
2013-03-16 06:48:19 PM  

quatchi: That noted I was a little cheesed at her at the time for her "impeachment is off the table" remarks when it became obvious the Bush cabal had lied a nation into war.

Still a little pissed to be honest.


Yes, quite. The Dem party is not to be trusted. Miles better than the batshiat crazy opposition, but that's faint praise.
 
2013-03-16 07:55:41 PM  
Lars Larson?
 
2013-03-16 08:25:04 PM  

max_pooper: lilbjorn: Big Gulp laced with what?  She looks more than a little scheisse-gesicht.

The hilariously moranic thing about Palin's stunt is that Big Gulps (trade marked by 7-Eleven) were exempt from Bloomberg's large sized soda ban.



The longer this family stays in the news, the more I realize that Trig is the smart one.
 
2013-03-17 01:39:08 AM  
That's awesome. Bye, Mitt. (wave)
 
2013-03-17 05:27:01 AM  
Mitts who be she?
 
2013-03-17 09:30:13 AM  

IvanTheSilent: REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.
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She's like Romney.  Smarmy, aloof, obnoxious, very easy to hate.  The reason that Obama, Biden, and (gag) even GW Bush were likable is they had a charm about them.  Obama always reminds me of a laid-back college professor (perhaps because he was one,) the type of professor that you don't mind going to his class and would hang out with outside of school.  Biden reminds me of the crazy uncle that everyone likes because he keeps the kids occupied with fart jokes and magic tricks.  Bush reminds me of the frat boy who, despite screwing everything up all the time, was always good for a laugh.  All three are folks who, to use what's becoming a major cliche, "you'd have a beer with."  Romney and Pelosi, no so much.  They're easy to hate because not only are they different, but they're snobbish about it too.


Yup.

Americans want their politicians to have at least a little gravitas and perceived competence (i.e. the "college professor"), but they don't want them as these distant, unapproachable figures that they don't feel they could talk to if they had the chance.

It is a cliche, but "you'd have a beer with him" is a big test of being likable in US politics.  Helps that Obama is a beer homebrewer and apparently loves the stuff:

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2013-03-17 01:32:44 PM  
Did someone put acid in Palin's soda pop?
 
2013-03-17 07:23:58 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: I've never gotten their obsession with Nancy Pelosi. I have a neighbor who has four anti-Pelosi stickers on his truck.
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I've never understood it either.  I remember when she said about Obamacare "First we need to pass it, THEN we'll read it."  But that's the only thing I can think of that she said that I felt wasn't that bright.  All I ever hear is that she's an idiot, that she needs to be fired, and we need to get rid of her.  But I never hear WHY.
 
2013-03-18 11:05:03 AM  

The Lone Gunman: I remember when she said about Obamacare "First we need to pass it, THEN we'll read it."  But that's the only thing I can think of that she said that I felt wasn't that bright.  All I ever hear is that she's an idiot, that she needs to be fired, and we need to get rid of her.  But I never hear WHY.


The rest of that quote was about people lying about what was in the bill.  She was saying that they need to pass it so that people would know what was in it and could stop making things up.
 
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