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2013-03-15 10:09:41 PM
I deem this the 'French plan'.
 
2013-03-15 10:12:05 PM
Marks
 
2013-03-15 10:13:23 PM
Having been in a situation where everyone else is looking up wondering what that sound is while I am diving towards the ground.

This is not so stupid.


An asshole shot a bouncer down the street during a fight.
 
2013-03-15 10:15:54 PM
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Now for teachers!
 
2013-03-15 10:16:38 PM
These are the best threads to watch.  Really brings out the crazies.

Proceed.
 
2013-03-15 10:16:56 PM
This is the dumbest and most absurd thing ever.

How would knowing when a school shooting happens stop one?
 
2013-03-15 10:17:44 PM
This is a great, low cost idea. Every school should do this. Take one of those teacher in service days when the kids aren't there, bring in the cops, and have them shoot off different types of guns in different parts of the school. Here's what a pistol, shotgun, rifle, etc. sound like in the gym, hallway, cafeteria. Yes, I know it sounds like firecrackers, and nothing like what tv/movies implied. When you hear this sound, lock the classroom door and shove a filing cabinet in front of it.

This would do more to enhance student safety than ridiculous ideas like arming teachers and spending money on armed guards.

Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.
 
2013-03-15 10:18:06 PM

Kanemano: Having been in a situation where everyone else is looking up wondering what that sound is while I am diving towards the ground.

This is not so stupid.


An asshole shot a bouncer down the street during a fight.


There was a time in America when pretty much every man over 18 knew what gunfire sounded like. Nowadays not so much.

So yeah. Not stupid at all.
 
2013-03-15 10:18:47 PM
This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you, so remember it.
 
2013-03-15 10:20:24 PM

super_grass: This is the dumbest and most absurd thing ever.

How would knowing when a school shooting happens stop one?


It wouldn't. It would stop what keeps happening, where a teacher hears a funny sound, pokes her head out the door and gets her head blown off, leaving her students vulnerable.

How can you not see this?
 
2013-03-15 10:25:14 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.


I like this a lot.
 
2013-03-15 10:25:27 PM
By the age of 18, I'm guessing the average American has heard about a million gunshots on TV and video games. Are the sound effects all wrong?
 
2013-03-15 10:27:02 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yes, I know it sounds like firecrackers


Not really. I can immediately tell you whether it was fireworks or gunshots. But, then again, unlike a lot of people, I grew up with exposure to both firearms and fireworks.
 
2013-03-15 10:28:35 PM

whatshisname: By the age of 18, I'm guessing the average American has heard about a million gunshots on TV and video games. Are the sound effects all wrong?


Yep.
 
2013-03-15 10:30:35 PM

PacManDreaming: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yes, I know it sounds like firecrackers

Not really. I can immediately tell you whether it was fireworks or gunshots. But, then again, unlike a lot of people, I grew up with exposure to both firearms and fireworks.


You can tell the difference. To people who haven't spent time around firearms, gunshots sound IDENTICAL to fireworks the first time they hear them. That is why this training is necessary. You cannot distinguish the sounds unless you've heard them often.
 
2013-03-15 10:31:55 PM

PacManDreaming: whatshisname: By the age of 18, I'm guessing the average American has heard about a million gunshots on TV and video games. Are the sound effects all wrong?

Yep.


Agreed.   The gunshots I've heard over the years (sadly) in the various neighborhoods I've lived and/or had friends who lived in sound nothing like what you hear on television.  Sometimes it is hard to tell what you are hearing.
 
2013-03-15 10:34:37 PM
Anyone stupid enough to stick there head out the door after hearing gunshots in the hall shouldn't be a teacher.
 
2013-03-15 10:35:07 PM

whatshisname: By the age of 18, I'm guessing the average American has heard about a million gunshots on TV and video games. Are the sound effects all wrong?


yup
 
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2013-03-15 10:37:19 PM

hogans: This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you, so remember it.

assets.nydailynews.com

 
2013-03-15 10:38:23 PM

whatshisname: By the age of 18, I'm guessing the average American has heard about a million gunshots on TV and video games. Are the sound effects all wrong?


Yes
 
2013-03-15 10:39:40 PM
should be required viewing in all schools starting in 6th grade
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2013-03-15 10:40:03 PM

FC Exile: Anyone stupid enough to stick there head out the door after hearing gunshots in the hall shouldn't be a teacher.


Where?

But seriously, has that ever happened?
 
2013-03-15 10:46:56 PM
If it pops, he's shooting away from you. If it cracks, he's shooting towards you. If you didn't hear it, he's shooting at you
 
2013-03-15 10:46:59 PM
And because no kid has ever tossed a firecracker into the boys' bathroom.
 
2013-03-15 10:47:39 PM
Never said I should be a teacher.
 
2013-03-15 10:59:29 PM

whatshisname: By the age of 18, I'm guessing the average American has heard about a million gunshots on TV and video games. Are the sound effects all wrong?


Yep.

I used to shoot a lot, and I live half a mile from an outdoor gun range.  What you see on TV, movies, and video games is nothing like reality.

The only thing I've ever seen right is the sound of a ricochet in a remote area where the round bounces off a rock.  That one they actually nail in old westerns and cartoons.  Go figure.
 
2013-03-15 11:01:14 PM
They should throw some cooked (cooled so as not to burn people) oatmeal at the teachers and students too so they know what brain splatter feels like when they get hit with it.

Maybe set up some type of MXC or Wipeout type obstacle course too.
 
2013-03-15 11:09:54 PM
If you RTFA, they are also teaching that maybe sitting in one place is not the best strategy if a shooting happens. It actually seems to have some practical value.
 
2013-03-15 11:12:21 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: This is a great, low cost idea. Every school should do this. Take one of those teacher in service days when the kids aren't there, bring in the cops, and have them shoot off different types of guns in different parts of the school. Here's what a pistol, shotgun, rifle, etc. sound like in the gym, hallway, cafeteria. Yes, I know it sounds like firecrackers, and nothing like what tv/movies implied. When you hear this sound, lock the classroom door and shove a filing cabinet in front of it.

This would do more to enhance student safety than ridiculous ideas like arming teachers and spending money on armed guards.

Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.



How about allowing teachers the right to choose to be armed?
 
2013-03-15 11:20:32 PM

knbwhite: Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.


THAT is farking brilliant
 
2013-03-15 11:21:50 PM
"Teachers and staff rush out of the cafeteria during a lockdown exercise at Milford High School today."

Guess it wasn't much of a lockdown.
 
2013-03-15 11:21:58 PM

knbwhite: How about allowing teachers the right to choose to be armed?


Assuming they're willing to take as much firearms training as a cop and go through yearly requals, sure. But I want them to have way more training than, "Hey I done passed my background check and sat through four-hour safety brief now I'm totally ready to whip my gun out and get all James Bronson on the bad guys, because in movies it looks so totally easy to shoot someone" if they're going to be carrying a gun in a school environment.
 
2013-03-15 11:24:28 PM

Yogimus: knbwhite: Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.

THAT is farking brilliant


It's something alright. Brilliant isn't the word I'd choose.
 
2013-03-15 11:30:12 PM
Yeah the best option may be to have ten staff members run outside away from the shooting but what if each staff member has 30 students with them. Then is that the best choice? Why aren't they training with 900 students?

/elementary school tech teacher
//remembers Columbine like it was yesterday. It was just a few towns away
 
2013-03-15 11:32:28 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Assuming they're willing to take as much firearms training as a cop and go through yearly requals, sure.


You put too much faith in police training requirements.  They frequently shoot themselves during routine handling.  Their actual hit ratio on suspects is something like 20%.  The "Hey I done passed my background check and sat through four-hour safety brief now I'm totally ready to whip my gun out and get all James Bronson onHey I done passed my background check and sat through four-hour safety brief now I'm totally ready to whip my gun out and get all James Bronson on the bad guys, because in movies it looks so totally easy to shoot someone"  the bad guys, because in movies it looks so totally easy to shoot someone" concealed carry crowd tends to do much better, somewhere around 60% of shots landed.

Police rarely use their guns.  Their training reflects this. Most of their job is riding around in a car, radioing back to the department, writing tickets, etc.  The gun thing is very minor for them.  It amazes me that people think cops are cops are experts on guns.  They're not.  They're better qualified at telling you how to operate a VHF radio than they are guns.

Their re-qualification is basically a joke to anybody that ventures out to the gun range more than twice a year to practice with a handgun.
 
2013-03-15 11:38:20 PM

jbuist: concealed carry crowd tends to do much better, somewhere around 60% of shots landed.


[citation needed]
 
2013-03-15 11:39:27 PM

gadian: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.

I like this a lot.


I do too.
 
2013-03-15 11:44:44 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: jbuist: concealed carry crowd tends to do much better, somewhere around 60% of shots landed.

[citation needed]


Citation

Citation

Citation

It's only going to take ONE hit to do better than the cops.
 
2013-03-15 11:53:28 PM

Uranus Megahertz: Yeah the best option may be to have ten staff members run outside away from the shooting but what if each staff member has 30 students with them. Then is that the best choice? Why aren't they training with 900 students?

/elementary school tech teacher
//remembers Columbine like it was yesterday. It was just a few towns away


Having the teachers recognize gunfire and at least have a realistic plan is a good thing. I bet most teachers (most people) would be paralyzed with fear, which is not what you want your students emulating. Right after the CT shooting the forst thing I imagined is that the kids were all huddled in a corner around their teacher, because the teacher had absolutely no idea how to react.

Teachers shouldn't *have* to react to a shooter. But then nobody should ever be a victim of any crime. I said it right after the VT shootings: even if you hate guns, you should know how to recognize gunshots, you should be aware of how deafening they are, and you should know what the limitations of shooting accurately are. It takes one afternoon, and you only have to do it once in your life.
 
2013-03-16 12:04:37 AM

Ikam: PacManDreaming: whatshisname: By the age of 18, I'm guessing the average American has heard about a million gunshots on TV and video games. Are the sound effects all wrong?

Yep.

Agreed.   The gunshots I've heard over the years (sadly) in the various neighborhoods I've lived and/or had friends who lived in sound nothing like what you hear on television.  Sometimes it is hard to tell what you are hearing.


What you're typically hearing in games is what you hear from the aspect of the shooter and not a bystander some distance away.

Pistols pop, shotguns have a low boom, and rifles crack... At a distance.
 
2013-03-16 12:28:47 AM
Next up, briefings for what a meteorite strike 20 ks out of town sounds like.
 
2013-03-16 12:36:07 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: This is a great, low cost idea. Every school should do this. Take one of those teacher in service days when the kids aren't there, bring in the cops, and have them shoot off different types of guns in different parts of the school. Here's what a pistol, shotgun, rifle, etc. sound like in the gym, hallway, cafeteria. Yes, I know it sounds like firecrackers, and nothing like what tv/movies implied. When you hear this sound, lock the classroom door and shove a filing cabinet in front of it.

This would do more to enhance student safety than ridiculous ideas like arming teachers and spending money on armed guards.

Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.


This is not the dumbest idea. One reason 7-11s and other convenience stores and roadside diners always give cops free coffee and meals is because it means cops will always be around the location and will know the regulars. It can be very handy to have a cop close by who knows the problem children and the barflies and who can tell if there's a problem by the way the waitress says "Hey Bob."

When I worked at a casino, we used to give the deputies comp meals all the time, and a couple times it was very handy; once when one of the keno dealers came in and told me she'd just been flashed out in the parking lot and the deputies were out the door almost before I finished my radio call; and once when we had a Dad of the Year candidate who'd left his 9-year old daughter alone for 14 hours while he gambled. The deputies kindly sat him down and explained the meaning of life to him when he showed up, and without causing any undue alarm to the daughter for which we were all grateful.

So having cops used to coming in and out of the school on an informal basis would be better (and cheaper) than arguing about armed guards posted at all the doors all day long.
 
2013-03-16 12:52:44 AM
So the plan is to run serpentine?

Brilliant!
 
2013-03-16 01:35:35 AM

super_grass: This is the dumbest and most absurd thing ever.

How would knowing when a school shooting happens stop one?


Stop trying to bring logic into this. Emotions are at stake.
 
2013-03-16 02:32:25 AM

MFAWG: Kanemano: Having been in a situation where everyone else is looking up wondering what that sound is while I am diving towards the ground.

This is not so stupid.


An asshole shot a bouncer down the street during a fight.

There was a time in America when pretty much every man over 18 9 knew what gunfire sounded like. Nowadays not so much.

So yeah. Not stupid at all.

 
2013-03-16 02:36:30 AM

vpb: hogans: This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you, so remember it.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]


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2013-03-16 03:12:24 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: This is a great, low cost idea. Every school should do this. Take one of those teacher in service days when the kids aren't there, bring in the cops, and have them shoot off different types of guns in different parts of the school. Here's what a pistol, shotgun, rifle, etc. sound like in the gym, hallway, cafeteria. Yes, I know it sounds like firecrackers, and nothing like what tv/movies implied. When you hear this sound, lock the classroom door and shove a filing cabinet in front of it.

This would do more to enhance student safety than ridiculous ideas like arming teachers and spending money on armed guards.

Next idea: set aside a desk in the main office and tell cops they're free to come in and use it to do their paperwork. Come in, have some coffee, chat up the secretary, and fill out all the reports you'd otherwise do while parked at the side of the road. Give them an Internet drop. Bam. You just got police presence in school and didn't have to spend a dime to do it.


Sure. But first: a) how many filing cabinets have you ever seen in a schoolroom? b) have you tried to move a fully-loaded filing cabinet?
 
2013-03-16 03:36:51 AM

vpb: hogans: This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you, so remember it.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]


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My baby shot me down..
 
2013-03-16 04:14:37 AM

super_grass: This is the dumbest and most absurd thing ever.

How would knowing when a school shooting happens stop one?


How would being able to quickly identify the sound and relative location of gunfire help you determine a route of escape that would avoid putting yourself and your students in the line of fire?

I don't usually use this word, but are you retarded?
 
2013-03-16 04:41:25 AM
real gunfire does not sound like the movies. if they've never been around it, it makes sense to at least be able to recognize the difference between maintenance pounding with hammers and the "zing-snap" of rounds through the air.
 
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