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(Yahoo)   Teen son on phone with boyfriend: "I'm going to tell my dad I'm gay." Dad writes: "I've known you were gay since you were six. Now go buy some orange juice"   (shine.yahoo.com) divider line 416
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2013-03-15 03:38:24 PM
Damn it's dusty in here today!
 
2013-03-15 03:58:11 PM
Doing it right.
 
2013-03-15 04:16:03 PM
Go Dad!
 
2013-03-15 04:33:04 PM
Parenting done right!  A rare awesome sight.
 
2013-03-15 04:51:52 PM

RobertBruce: Parenting done right!

 
2013-03-15 05:05:59 PM

Majick Thise: Damn it's dusty in here today!


Made me cry, too. And I'm jaded and hate everybody.
 
2013-03-15 05:15:34 PM
Wow.

/trying not to cry, because I'm at work
 
2013-03-15 05:16:38 PM
OMG, that almost made me cry. BEST DAD EVAR!
 
2013-03-15 05:20:24 PM
Very sweet :-)
 
2013-03-15 05:24:56 PM
i911.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-15 05:31:16 PM
Damn dust
 
2013-03-15 05:31:35 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Doing it right.


Word for word what I said out loud.
 
2013-03-15 05:32:29 PM
Ditto everyone else.
 
2013-03-15 05:33:22 PM
Actual. Tears.
 
2013-03-15 05:33:48 PM
Awesome story.
 
2013-03-15 05:36:25 PM
So did the brat go buy orange juice or not?
 
2013-03-15 05:36:42 PM
I'd like to buy that Dad a drink.
 
2013-03-15 05:37:42 PM
It's a nice little father-son story - but I really don't get a lot of warm fuzzies out of these stories any more - they are starting to feel mundane.
And that, when you think about it, is a very, very good sign.
 
2013-03-15 05:38:45 PM

Ned Stark: So did the brat go buy orange juice or not?


Jesus Christ man, there's just some things you don't talk about in public.
 
2013-03-15 05:38:54 PM
all my parents do is tell me how disappointed they are in me

:'(

/ really
 
2013-03-15 05:38:59 PM

Majick Thise: Damn it's dusty in here today!


I know, right?
 
2013-03-15 05:39:06 PM
6?
 
2013-03-15 05:39:07 PM
Dad didn't vote Republican apparently.
 
2013-03-15 05:39:10 PM
Reminds me of this:

2.bp.blogspot.com

Sadly I can't find a video link that would load because it's a great scene.
 
2013-03-15 05:39:17 PM

Ned Stark: So did the brat go buy orange juice or not?


JESUS man!  content8.flixster.com
 
US1
2013-03-15 05:39:55 PM
p.twimg.com
 
2013-03-15 05:40:07 PM

thisiszombocom: all my parents do is tell me how disappointed they are in me

:'(

/ really


I am pleased to be able to say that my sexual orientation has no bearing upon my parents' disappointment in me.
 
2013-03-15 05:40:19 PM
"I've loved you forever, and I knew. Pick up some OJ and bread, will you?"

Brilliant. Go Dad.
 
2013-03-15 05:40:26 PM
I'll feel a lot better when this is the normal reaction parents have to this sort of thing, and it doesn't become news.
 
2013-03-15 05:40:35 PM
I farking hate that feeling when you're tearing up and then someone makes some super heartfelt joke so then you're laughing while you're crying and you're just a farking emotional wreck.

"We are out [of OJ and bread], like you now."
 
2013-03-15 05:40:55 PM
Ase a father of 3 I say he's won this years "Father of the Year" I can only hope to be so cool.
 
2013-03-15 05:41:15 PM
Hmmm...this is too obvious. I'm calling fake.
 
2013-03-15 05:41:16 PM
Kind of sad this is such a big deal. This is how parents are supposed to react.

/now go buy me some damn OJ
 
2013-03-15 05:41:44 PM

Majick Thise: Damn it's dusty in here today!


My allergies are acting up again.
 
2013-03-15 05:41:51 PM
SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.
 
2013-03-15 05:42:25 PM
well if my dad was eavesdropping on my phone calls, I'd want him to admit it to me in person instead of cowardly leaving me a note.

/ good for him on the "being accepting" thing though.
// sad that being a reasonable person makes the news
 
2013-03-15 05:43:01 PM
Love it. You go, dad.
 
2013-03-15 05:43:10 PM
Fake in 3, 2, 1...
 
2013-03-15 05:43:15 PM
Uh, Dad?  Mike isn't gay
 
2013-03-15 05:43:18 PM
Bread and OJ are high in folic acid and magnesium.
 
2013-03-15 05:43:20 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


They could tell by the shoes he was wearing.
 
2013-03-15 05:44:58 PM

thisiszombocom: all my parents do is tell me how disappointed they are in me

:'(

/ really




Well, for what it's worth, I'm not. So somewhere on this ball of blue, someone thinks you are awesome.... and you will never know exactly who.

/creepy isn't it :)
 
2013-03-15 05:45:16 PM
I hope that isn't fake because, awwwwww.
 
2013-03-15 05:45:31 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


Watch some old reruns of Who's the Boss and then get back to us
 
2013-03-15 05:45:31 PM
Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.
 
2013-03-15 05:45:32 PM
Thanks, Dad, for making up your mind about my sexuality years before I even started to entertain the issue for myself.

Also for listening in on a private conversation between me and my friend.

God, you're THE WORST
 
2013-03-15 05:45:35 PM
That's a good dad. It's an uplifting little anecdote, the kind that renews your hope in humanity.

This is a good example of the unconditional love that the unholy GOP and evangelical alliance stands against. They literally stand in opposition to love. For people who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus I find this terribly ironic tragic idiotic.
 
2013-03-15 05:45:58 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


When I was taking care of kids, I had one not much older who enjoyed hanging out with the girls much more than with boys, enjoyed playing hairdressing games, liked to try on jewelry and girls' hats and such, and who refused to play competitive games. He liked watching "girly" cartoons and shows. Visiting counselors would say they could easily see feather boas in his future. At some point, it becomes pretty evident. Not always, mind you, but it's fairly obvious.
 
2013-03-15 05:46:04 PM

Watubi: Uh, Dad?  Mike isn't gay


What the hell, dad??? I said come out with you, not come out to you!!!
 
2013-03-15 05:47:25 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


When my sister was in grade 1, there was one boy who spent every recess and break styling the girls' hair, brushing and braiding and putting in ponytails. He wanted everything to be made beautiful and arranged nicely. If your 6 year old boy wants to be a hairstylist, collect unicorns, and is horrified by ripped clothes, dirt, and people shouting, that could be an indicator.
 
2013-03-15 05:47:46 PM
I am bringing home OJ and bread
4.bp.blogspot.comwww.israbox.com

 
2013-03-15 05:47:53 PM

Cagey B: I'll feel a lot better when this is the normal reaction parents have to this sort of thing, and it doesn't become news.


"Love Is ..." was an insipid illustration that appeared in "news"papers for decades. Some people just liked the stupidly positive message.

This one isn't stupid. It's kind of silly, full of love and cool. That never gets old.
 
2013-03-15 05:47:55 PM
Does Anita Bryant know teh gays are buying orange juice?!!?
 
2013-03-15 05:48:09 PM

FunkOut: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

When my sister was in grade 1, there was one boy who spent every recess and break styling the girls' hair, brushing and braiding and putting in ponytails. He wanted everything to be made beautiful and arranged nicely. If your 6 year old boy wants to be a hairstylist, collect unicorns, and is horrified by ripped clothes, dirt, and people shouting, that could be an indicator.


I thought stereotypes were bad?
 
2013-03-15 05:48:35 PM
What it Mike isn't out.

You know, how many BFFs happen to be Nate and Mike? Now they're all suspect.

Thanks Dad.
 
2013-03-15 05:49:38 PM

Dahnkster: I am bringing home OJ and bread
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Dahnkster: I am bringing home OJ and bread
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userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-03-15 05:50:47 PM
I have never been a big fan of homosexuality... I am probably one of those 10 percent of males that has no ability to understand the desire... That being said, I am also a father...I would like to think I am that kind of man.Inspiring story, thanks subby.
 
2013-03-15 05:50:55 PM

Ned Stark: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

They could tell by the shoes he was wearing.


His mother bought him some culottes, she thought they were shorts. This made him gay.
 
2013-03-15 05:51:08 PM
Was he a little too happy to see the tooth fairy, dad?
 
2013-03-15 05:51:08 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


They took him to the doctor to get some blood work done, and the results came back positive....for gay.

/ ok, I'll need to use that as an insult sometime.
// I agree though.  How would you know?

CSB time: I remember at about that age (maybe a little older than 6.  8 or 9, i think?), my parents were shopping in the bookstore and I wandered off to the magazine area and happened across a Playgirl magazine that ended up on one of the lower racks.  I was fascinated by the concept of a magazine that had naked people in it, and sat there looking through it.  It was totally devoid of any sexual arousal--I was a kid fer chrissakes.  I just knew nudity was taboo and I was enjoying the thrill of breaking the rules.

I can only imagine how awkward things would have become if my parents had seen that and said "oh, our little snowflake is gay.  Let's do everything we can to make him the best gay he can be", then started buying me gay clothes, encouraging me to listen to gay music, etc.  Would I have gone insane, or would it have turned me gay?
 
2013-03-15 05:51:21 PM
My daughter didn't come out to me , I asked her "So were you ever going to tell me your gay?" and she got a big "gosh I don't know" smile on her face. I just told her not to worry about what people think and to just follow her heart , because it will guide her in the right direction.
 
2013-03-15 05:51:31 PM

thisiszombocom: all my parents do is tell me how disappointed they are in me

:'(

/ really


That really sucks.  And even if they feel that way, they are dicks for telling you.  I mean, that's very telling of the kind of people they are right there.  Not to 10-second arm-chair psycholgist mixing metaphors here, but if you are not hurting anyone, it sounds like a them problem, not a you problem.    In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that they grumble to themselves and internalize about other people who piss them off, but are too chicken-shiat to say anything to their faces.  You take care of yourself and let them live in their disappointed misery.  Peace, bro or sis. I really feel for you.
 
2013-03-15 05:51:45 PM
www.miataturbo.net
 
2013-03-15 05:51:54 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


I guess I was an odd bird, that was the age I started really noticing women. Of course I didn't actually act on that until high school. And I couldn't have done anything about it at the time anyway.

But yeah some young kids do get urges even if they don't yet know what they mean.
 
2013-03-15 05:52:00 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


Kid who grew up down the street from me was the same age as my younger sister. When he was 4-5, he'd come over to play with Barbies. Insisted on coming over to play with Barbies. It was obvious to my parents at that age...though not obvious to his super-conservative parents. By his teens, he was a walking bad stereotype.

Now, he's 25ish and last I heard is working as a personal assistant and 'rooming' with his boss. To the best of my knowledge, his parents still haven't figured it out; they'd probably cut off all contact if they found out, and I've always felt badly for him that he'll almost likely never get this kind of acceptance from his family.
 
2013-03-15 05:52:14 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.


I don't know how I'd feel in that situation.  If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated?  Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me.  Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something.  Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.

I've never really thought about that before.  Hmm.
 
2013-03-15 05:53:01 PM
My parents are lesbians. The messages I got were more like "Please pick up some beers on the way home, I'm out."    "Son, this weekend I want you to wash the truck before I go out golfing with Pat ahd Kim and Terry."    or the ever infamous: walking into the living room and my mom and her friends are all watchin Xena. Eyes fixed. Slight drool, uncomfortable expressions. "Hey mom, going out."  "MM...be safe...."

/No lie.
//My parents are wonderful.
 
2013-03-15 05:53:30 PM

fsbilly: What it Mike isn't out.

You know, how many BFFs happen to be Nate and Mike? Now they're all suspect.

Thanks Dad.


1950's style propaganda poster:
"A BFF is only one letter away from a BF.  Could YOUR son be a homosexual?"
 
2013-03-15 05:54:56 PM
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-03-15 05:55:18 PM
So did he pick up the OJ and bread or not?
 
2013-03-15 05:55:18 PM
I hope this story is not fake, but either way I'm getting to the bottom of this. 
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2013-03-15 05:56:05 PM

WhippingBoy: FunkOut: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

When my sister was in grade 1, there was one boy who spent every recess and break styling the girls' hair, brushing and braiding and putting in ponytails. He wanted everything to be made beautiful and arranged nicely. If your 6 year old boy wants to be a hairstylist, collect unicorns, and is horrified by ripped clothes, dirt, and people shouting, that could be an indicator.

I thought stereotypes were bad?


This kid really existed. Mothers thought he was the sweetest thing ever, he got invited to all the girl's birthday parties. Perfect little gentleman and whatnot.
 
2013-03-15 05:56:14 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


When I was six I already had a boyfriend. Not that I remember much about him but blond curly hair, blue eyes, dimples, and an unusually long and stretchy foreskin, but my parents found out after that little biatch gail tattled on us after she saw us making out at recess.

My parental response was twelve years of Jesus and violence.

Hey kid, wanna switch lives? I could use a bit of parental decency, and you'd be amazed what guys will let you put up their butts when you look like me.

Think about it.
 
2013-03-15 05:56:40 PM
DAMN YOU OBAAAAAMAAAAA
 
2013-03-15 05:56:45 PM

pivazena: Lumbar Puncture: Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.

I don't know how I'd feel in that situation.  If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated?  Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me.  Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something.  Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.

I've never really thought about that before.  Hmm.


There's no data like experimental data. Go come out to your parents as whatever orientation they think you aren't. Repeat every couple weeks until whatever reaction they do show fades to "OK, whatever". Then report back to us with your feelings on the matter.
 
2013-03-15 05:57:00 PM

Watubi: Uh, Dad?  Mike isn't gay


What?!? Now listen here, son. Mike looks like a fine upstanding young man any father would be proud to have for a son-in-law. I said I didn't mind that you're gay, but by God you'll be gay with who I tell you to be gay with. Now go be gay with Mike!

/Also think this father is pretty cool
//Just jaded enough by the internet/our current culture to think this is fake
///but don't want to
 
2013-03-15 05:57:25 PM

buckler: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

When I was taking care of kids, I had one not much older who enjoyed hanging out with the girls much more than with boys, enjoyed playing hairdressing games, liked to try on jewelry and girls' hats and such, and who refused to play competitive games. He liked watching "girly" cartoons and shows. Visiting counselors would say they could easily see feather boas in his future. At some point, it becomes pretty evident. Not always, mind you, but it's fairly obvious.


He could also have been trans, which is different than being gay.
 
2013-03-15 05:57:40 PM
Was the son's name "Lyle", by any chance?

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2013-03-15 05:58:16 PM
Parenting Level:  EPIC
 
2013-03-15 05:58:18 PM

Meatybrain: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

When I was six I already had a boyfriend. Not that I remember much about him but blond curly hair, blue eyes, dimples, and an unusually long and stretchy foreskin


userimg.tv.com

Reunion?
 
2013-03-15 05:58:33 PM

pivazena: Lumbar Puncture: Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.

I don't know how I'd feel in that situation.  If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated?  Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me.  Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something.  Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.

I've never really thought about that before.  Hmm.


You want a hug? What are you ga...oh, right.
 
2013-03-15 05:58:38 PM
I hope that's real and not an elaborate prank.

Because goddam the internet, and attention whores do all kinds of appalling shiat just for the fark of it.

If it is real ... awww. Sweet.
 
2013-03-15 05:59:34 PM
6? Dad's got some weapon's grade gaydar there.

/ NTTAWWT
 
2013-03-15 05:59:54 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Majick Thise: Damn it's dusty in here today!

Made me cry, too. And I'm jaded and hate everybody.


That makes two of us.
 
2013-03-15 06:00:43 PM
I suspect this letter is fake.

As are 99% of all the other letters that magically went vial.
 
2013-03-15 06:00:47 PM
My dad had a similar but different conversation with my sister once.  It went something like this, "I know you've got a fake ID.  Bring me back a case of beer, you can keep the change."
 
2013-03-15 06:00:53 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Majick Thise: Damn it's dusty in here today!

Made me cry, too. And I'm jaded and hate everybody.


guess i'm more jaded then because to me this reads too much like a cause publicity-stunt.
i do wish its genuine though
 
2013-03-15 06:01:10 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


When my cousin's son was 3, his dad TOTALLY caught him flirting with the hot redheaded barista at Starbucks. David thought to himself, "Well, I guess he's straight." It wasn't "Hell yeah, he's straight!" either, but "okay, mental note." And another friend has known since his son was a baby that he was straight because of how he would flirt with the ladies. Children aren't asexual.

/One of my gay friends knew he was gay since he was in kindergarten. He still doesn't understand how his parents didn't figure it out when he asked for the album soundtrack to Xanadu when he was 8.
 
2013-03-15 06:01:10 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


its because thats when the boy began engaging in anal sex with his father and that would be considered gay.
 
2013-03-15 06:01:37 PM

pivazena: I don't know how I'd feel in that situation. If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated? Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me. Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something. Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.


One of my best friends practiced his "Mom, Dad...I'm gay" speech on my parents at Thanksgiving (he couldn't go home for a visit until the weekend because of his job at the time).  He was so nervous to see their reaction.  When he actually told his parents (who were old school hippies), his Mom immediately gushed "Oh honey, I've always know.  I read it in your aura." His dad said "Cool."  He talked about his boyfriend (now husband of 10 years) and his Dad's reaction was, "Oh.  Sounds good.  And you two can share clothes.  That's pretty convenient."

He came back super relieved but also sort of miffed...he was hoping for at least a LITTLE drama.
 
2013-03-15 06:02:00 PM
There was another kid who was gay but his childhood involved a lot of GI Joe action figures getting it on and a fascination for guns, the military, and wrestling. If I remember right, he got kicked out of the Army for purposely shooting his foot or leg. I knew his brother, who would be like "Goddammit, if the kid isn't posing his action figures all nasty, he's lighting them on fire."
 
2013-03-15 06:02:34 PM

fusillade762: Reminds me of this:

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Sadly I can't find a video link that would load because it's a great scene.


huh
reminded me of this:
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2013-03-15 06:02:53 PM
No Hero tag?
 
2013-03-15 06:03:15 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.


I felt bad for a friend who came out in high school and got the, "dude, you're dream is to be a stylist. We know."

He seemed more surprised than anyone he was telling.
 
2013-03-15 06:03:53 PM
When I was four I was oddly fascinated with male bodybuilding and the volleyball scene in Top Gun for reasons I could not understand at the time.
 
2013-03-15 06:03:55 PM

justanothersumguy: I have never been a big fan of homosexuality... I am probably one of those 10 percent of males that has no ability to understand the desire... That being said, I am also a father...I would like to think I am that kind of man.Inspiring story, thanks subby.


You're one of the 10% percent of men who doesn't understand the desire? Of what? Having sex with other men? So you're saying 90% of men are gay? What are you saying? Yeah straight dudes don't want to bone down on other dudes. Shocker.
 
2013-03-15 06:04:11 PM
Oh, look, another homo lover destroying the sanctity of marriage and the traditional American family by wanting his son to be happy.  What a douche.

/sarcasm, for the love of Dog
 
2013-03-15 06:05:08 PM
Good:  Your dad assures you he accepts you as you are and loves you.
Bad:    Your dad tells you that you and your boyfriend make a "cute couple."

When I was a teen, the last thing I wanted to hear was my parents' opinion of my boyfriend's cuteness.
 
2013-03-15 06:05:38 PM

Mike Chewbacca: /One of my gay friends knew he was gay since he was in kindergarten. He still doesn't understand how his parents didn't figure it out when he asked for the album soundtrack to Xanadu when he was 8.


That was my favorite album when I was 11 and I'm pretty sure I don't have the ghey.
 
2013-03-15 06:06:39 PM
As far as knowing at age six, well parents (if they're honest with themselves) just know these things. The parents who are shocked when their kids come out are either oblivious or in denial.

My mother practically outed me. I was on the phone with her when I was 19 telling her about my "roommate" I had been living with for about six months at the time. It was something like:

Me: "Blah blah blah, school, some general stuff about the 'roommate', etc."

Mom: "Well do you love him?"

Me: "Uhhh..."

Mom: "It's ok, I know. I'm your mom."

Me: "Um, well, yeah, I do love him."

Mom: "I'm glad, you deserve someone special. You're both going to come down for Christmas so I can meet him, right?"

Things didn't go quite as smoothly with my dad and stepmom, but they're ok now. They even send my batter half birthday cards.
 
2013-03-15 06:07:52 PM
img694.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-15 06:08:22 PM
farking stupid.  fark all involved.
 
2013-03-15 06:09:27 PM
What a lovely story to come home from work to!
 
2013-03-15 06:10:17 PM

BolloxReader: buckler: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

When I was taking care of kids, I had one not much older who enjoyed hanging out with the girls much more than with boys, enjoyed playing hairdressing games, liked to try on jewelry and girls' hats and such, and who refused to play competitive games. He liked watching "girly" cartoons and shows. Visiting counselors would say they could easily see feather boas in his future. At some point, it becomes pretty evident. Not always, mind you, but it's fairly obvious.

He could also have been trans, which is different than being gay.


Thank you. A lot of people assume that gender identity and sexual identity go hand-in-hand, but they don't always. That's why you sometimes meet stereotypical masculine men who have never had an interest in women, and makeup-addicted drag queens who are sexually attracted to women. Hormones and brain chemistry can do all kinds of wonderful things with human gender and sexual identity. Not every man you meet with a lisp and a hip sway is gay. That's why not every gay couple has a "male" and a "female". Sometimes it's two people who got together because they both happen to be a lot alike and enjoy the same things.
 
2013-03-15 06:10:30 PM

DeerNuts: Things didn't go quite as smoothly with my dad and stepmom, but they're ok now. They even send my batter half birthday cards.


So you're the ... nah, too easy.
 
2013-03-15 06:11:55 PM
Hoax.
 
2013-03-15 06:12:13 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


Not 6, but I first met my girlfriend's nephew when he was 9.  On the drive back home, I asked her "does your brother realize his son is gay?" I mean, he was a very effeminate kid.  And loved to dance and show off his dance moves to the entire family.  My girlfriend thought I was crazy.  We met him again when he was about 14, and he came to NYC for a dance summer program at Julliard.  In my opinion, he was completely out by then.  And my girlfriend still refused to agree.  At 16 he came back to NYC to try out for Julliard, and stayed at our place since we lived near there.  First day he sat down on the couch next to us while we were watching TV, opened his laptop, and the background image was the naked torso of a big muscle dude with a huge unit.  So I turned to her and asked "Now do you believe me?"

Last I heard of him he was a successful choreographer living in Israel.  With his boyfriend.
 
2013-03-15 06:12:24 PM
This a touching story. But in the real world, not all gay people care if they have acceptance from parents.

Or anyone.
 
2013-03-15 06:12:45 PM
I am crying at work.  Great...
 
2013-03-15 06:12:54 PM

mindaroth: Sometimes it's two people who got together because they both happen to be a lot alike and enjoy the same things.


And also because fencing is fun.
 
2013-03-15 06:13:16 PM
There are some good parents out there.  My cousin's kid has gender dysphoria.  The kid kept thinking she was a boy and kept asking her parents if she was going to get her boy parts when she got older.  She started talking like this when she was about 6.  They took her to the psych doctor, and the doctor said, "She has gender dysphoria.  The best thing you can do is let her dress like a boy if she wants and do boy things."  They do this. She is a good kid (unlike the "normal" ones) and is accepted by the entire family.
 
2013-03-15 06:14:00 PM

otherginger: Good:  Your dad assures you he accepts you as you are and loves you.
Bad:    Your dad tells you that you and your boyfriend make a "cute couple."

When I was a teen, the last thing I wanted to hear was my parents' opinion of my boyfriend's cuteness.


Hey, at least he doesn't give helpful tips like "remember, whichever one of you is the bottom should take an enema beforehand to clean yourself out, so the top doesn't pull out a plum."
 
2013-03-15 06:14:05 PM

Ed Grubermann: DeerNuts: Things didn't go quite as smoothly with my dad and stepmom, but they're ok now. They even send my batter half birthday cards.

So you're the ... nah, too easy.


Aw shiat. Best typo all day.
 
2013-03-15 06:15:55 PM
Way to pigeonhole your kid at 6; you must be some kind of seer.

Nice letter, though. Props to Dad.
 
2013-03-15 06:16:31 PM

WhippingBoy: Mike Chewbacca: /One of my gay friends knew he was gay since he was in kindergarten. He still doesn't understand how his parents didn't figure it out when he asked for the album soundtrack to Xanadu when he was 8.

That was my favorite album when I was 11 and I'm pretty sure I don't have the ghey.


Eh, it was his joke.
 
2013-03-15 06:16:49 PM

Acharne: My parents are lesbians.



If you're a guy and your parents are lesbians, they're not telling you the whole story.

/Y-Chromosome in the woodpile, perhaps?
// NNTAWWT
 
2013-03-15 06:16:51 PM
Dont you hate it when fun stories are fake?
 
2013-03-15 06:16:53 PM
You know who else was secretly gay?

 Well nearly every gay person silly, thats why they refer to it as "coming out".
 
2013-03-15 06:17:04 PM

flannelcat: farking stupid.  fark all involved.


Was that meant for another thread or is there something you'd like to share with the class?
 
2013-03-15 06:17:12 PM
Jeez Dad, you coulda told me I was gay.
 
2013-03-15 06:17:33 PM
my mom told me the last time my dad was proud of me is when i graduated from basic training, and i'm 49. but come to think of it i agree with him.
 
2013-03-15 06:17:52 PM
What is all this gay dust doing in my office?!
 
2013-03-15 06:17:55 PM

Raider_dad: My daughter didn't come out to me , I asked her "So were you ever going to tell me your gay?" and she got a big "gosh I don't know" smile on her face. I just told her not to worry about what people think and to just follow her heart , because it will guide her in the right direction.


"Hey Sarah, my dad thinks I'm a lesbian!"

"Seriously?"

"Now i can can get mike alone in my room and my dad won't suspect a thing!"
 
2013-03-15 06:19:12 PM

DeerNuts: They even send my batter half birthday cards.


I always thought there was a pitcher and a catcher...

*shrug*
 
2013-03-15 06:19:26 PM

mikaloyd: Dont you hate it when fun stories are fake?


Everything is a hoax and all stories are fake. This reality doesn't even exist.
 
2013-03-15 06:19:28 PM

Godscrack: This a touching story. But in the real world, not all gay people care if they have acceptance from parents.

Or anyone.


Thank you Debbie.
 
2013-03-15 06:19:37 PM

j__z: Kind of sad this is such a big deal. This is how parents are supposed to react.

/now go buy me some damn OJ


American parents are assholes, with various flavors by region.
 
2013-03-15 06:19:57 PM

Godscrack: This a touching story. But in the real world, not all gay people care if they have acceptance from parents.

Or anyone.


It's tough to argue that people don't want acceptance from their parents. I think most people don't let it ruin their lives if they don't, but seriously, unless you have pieces of shiate for parents or you're a sociopath, having proud parents would be a good thing.
 
2013-03-15 06:20:01 PM

RobertBruce: Parenting done right!  A rare awesome sight.


I enjoyed the rhyme
 
2013-03-15 06:20:22 PM

mikaloyd: Dont you hate it when fun stories are fake?


{citation needed}
 
2013-03-15 06:20:40 PM

SultanofSchwing: What is all this gay dust doing in my office?!


www.onlineworldofwrestling.com
 
2013-03-15 06:21:14 PM
I probably knew at 6, though I don't know that I knew what I knew.  I explicitly remember hearing "For the Longest Time" and thinking the guy was singing to a guy and that this was kind of neat (early 80s).  And, no, I didn't play with Barbies - Legos and Transformers, mostly, when I wasn't on the computer or taking apart old electronics.  My parents never claimed to have known, but both are a little self-centered anyway, so they just may not have noticed anything.

/Mid-30s now, came out at 13, never had a girlfriend.
 
2013-03-15 06:21:32 PM
Strange thread.
 
2013-03-15 06:21:35 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


When I was six I was already playing kissing games with girls and about a year later I was sneaking my dad's nudie mags. I just knew I liked girls.
 
2013-03-15 06:21:57 PM

angrymacface: When I was four I was oddly fascinated with male bodybuilding and the volleyball scene in Top Gun for reasons I could not understand at the time.


I really liked pirate movies. A lot.
 
2013-03-15 06:22:00 PM
All kinds of awesome. My brother died of AIDS, and our parents never accepted his orientation.

/why yes, fundy Christian upbringing
//one time when we were driving he started to turn and I told him to go straight. "I tried," he said.
 
2013-03-15 06:22:10 PM

FirstNationalBastard: SultanofSchwing: What is all this gay dust doing in my office?!

[www.onlineworldofwrestling.com image 316x237]


gaaah I just sharted
 
2013-03-15 06:22:12 PM

Ed Grubermann: So you're the ... nah, too easy.


Dammit, and I even refreshed before I made the pitcher/catcher joke.

/Oh well..
 
2013-03-15 06:23:13 PM
Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age
 
2013-03-15 06:23:44 PM

flannelcat: farking stupid.  fark all involved.


Plonked, because fark you, that's why.
 
2013-03-15 06:23:55 PM

Cletus C.: Cagey B: I'll feel a lot better when this is the normal reaction parents have to this sort of thing, and it doesn't become news.

"Love Is ..." was an insipid illustration that appeared in "news"papers for decades. Some people just liked the stupidly positive message.

This one isn't stupid. It's kind of silly, full of love and cool. That never gets old.


Love is... Letting him flirt a bit. All kinds of nsfw
 
2013-03-15 06:24:05 PM
Gay=Grey. They are aliens. They are trying to copulate with the human race. Say NO to the Greys! This is unmerican and you all should feel bad.
 
2013-03-15 06:24:11 PM
I actually asked my son if he was gay, he has tons of girlfriends but no "girlfriend".  I said, I'm cool with it but your conservative dad might need a talk by me before you come out, to ease the blow (yeah pun intended).  He said "No I just want to hang out, get hugs (he's short so face boobage is awesome)  and I hate talking about feelings. But can I tell Jon your ok with it?  He's afraid to tell his parents."   Broke my heart.  At 15 you should be able to tell your mum everything.
 
2013-03-15 06:24:23 PM
That's cool and all but what if Dad misunderstood what his son was talking about on the phone. Now he says he's known he was gay since he was 6 and the kid's just devastated now because he's really not?
 
2013-03-15 06:24:47 PM

Psylence: Ned Stark: So did the brat go buy orange juice or not?

JESUS man!  [content8.flixster.com image 360x231]


'Jesus' said backwards sounds like 'sausage'. I tried to explain that to a co-worker today and he kept saying "SUSS-ej". I thought he was fairly creative and had a sense of humor but apparently not.
 
2013-03-15 06:25:57 PM
I thought the Internet was like ten years past the era when people believed all the unattributed, anonymous tales that got passed around.

I mean, this would be a nice story... except that I'd really recommend the dad having a face-to-face talk with the kid, or better yet, letting the kid approach him on his own terms, no matter what the dad already knows.
 
2013-03-15 06:26:36 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age


Me and my brother knew our cousin was gay around that age, but we never let him know we knew
 
2013-03-15 06:26:57 PM

sleeps in trees: I actually asked my son if he was gay, he has tons of girlfriends but no "girlfriend".  I said, I'm cool with it but your conservative dad might need a talk by me before you come out, to ease the blow (yeah pun intended).  He said "No I just want to hang out, get hugs (he's short so face boobage is awesome)  and I hate talking about feelings. But can I tell Jon your ok with it?  He's afraid to tell his parents."   Broke my heart.  At 15 you should be able to tell your mum everything.


I didn't really understand this post, but this is still called for

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-15 06:27:10 PM
Nate was later seen pulling up to his house in this

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-15 06:27:20 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age


No, they're not - at least, not all of them. Some realize what sexuality is earlier than that. Some just know that certain things make them excited or curious, without really knowing why. For some very unlucky kids (not me, thankfully), abuse can make them aware of sexuality from a frighteningly early. And for some kids, the brain and the body just act precociously and they develop sexually very early. Our body is a weird machine, man, and they don't make them all the same.
 
2013-03-15 06:27:22 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age


Trolling?
 
2013-03-15 06:28:02 PM
Mike Chewbacca:
/One of my gay friends knew he was gay since he was in kindergarten. He still doesn't understand how his parents didn't figure it out when he asked for the album soundtrack to Xanadu when he was 8.

I dragged my mother to see that movie when I was 9.  In my defense, I was a huge ELO fan at the time.

She forgave me eventually.

/ About 99 44/100% hetero.
// My kids all know that we'll love them unconditionally, no matter who they fall in love with.
 
2013-03-15 06:28:06 PM

aspAddict: Ed Grubermann: So you're the ... nah, too easy.

Dammit, and I even refreshed before I made the pitcher/catcher joke.

/Oh well..


Well sorry I chose to use a little tact. For once. Ever. Kinda. Maybe.
 
2013-03-15 06:28:14 PM
That's a sweet story. It's hard not to feel empathy for people you'd expect to have more challenges in life than you face. Who doesn't like seeing an underdog "win"?
 
2013-03-15 06:28:29 PM
I had a similar moment with my daughter when she was 15. Her mother had thrown her out because the step-Dad is, well... an A-hole, and she said to me, "Don't you get it? I'm gay!" I told her "So? Clean your damn room. It's a mess. I love you."

Always been proud of her and now she's studying to be history teacher. Dusty in here....
 Another point. This kind of stuff shouldn't be so rare that it warrants an article about it.
 
2013-03-15 06:29:05 PM

milk000: I suspect this letter is fake.

As are 99% of all the other letters that magically went vial.


Tell me more about this magic vial. Is it anything like a bag of holding?
 
2013-03-15 06:29:42 PM

thisispete: That's a sweet story. It's hard not to feel empathy for people you'd expect to have more challenges in life than you face. Who doesn't like seeing an underdog "win"?


www.framingthedialogue.com
 
2013-03-15 06:30:40 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


At age six I was masturbating to illustrated self-breast exam pamphlets.
 
2013-03-15 06:30:44 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: milk000: I suspect this letter is fake.

As are 99% of all the other letters that magically went vial.

Tell me more about this magic vial. Is it anything like a bag of holding?


Never, ever put a flask inside a vial! It'll create a rift!
 
2013-03-15 06:31:49 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Some 'Splainin' To Do: milk000: I suspect this letter is fake.

As are 99% of all the other letters that magically went vial.

Tell me more about this magic vial. Is it anything like a bag of holding?

Never, ever put a flask inside a vial! It'll create a rift!


So the flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true?
 
2013-03-15 06:32:13 PM
 
2013-03-15 06:32:29 PM
My youngest at almost 4 years old was keeping us from leaving the pool one day.  His 6 year-old brother went to drag him to the car and little playa's reason was "Can't you see I'm talking to a lady here?"  And the lady in question was almost 8 years old.  All these years later, he still likes dark headed, brown eyed, olive skinned older girls.  They play him, run him, and he loves it.  The older one seems to be either more shy, or testing the waters.  He's just recently put up a picture of someone other than family on FB.  She's cute, but he doesn't want us to discuss anything about sex.  Ever.
 
2013-03-15 06:32:51 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

Trolling?




No, I'm not trolling. I just think it's odd that we are going to label six year olds for life.
 
2013-03-15 06:33:01 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age


This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.
 
2013-03-15 06:33:05 PM

aspAddict: DeerNuts: They even send my batter half birthday cards.

I always thought there was a pitcher and a catcher...

*shrug*


Well they do say homosexuality leads to polygamy ....

/so who's designated long reliever?
 
2013-03-15 06:33:39 PM
6 what?
 
2013-03-15 06:33:49 PM

Mike Chewbacca: When my cousin's son was 3, his dad TOTALLY caught him flirting with the hot redheaded barista at Starbucks.


How does a 3 year old flirt?
 
2013-03-15 06:35:18 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Mike Chewbacca: When my cousin's son was 3, his dad TOTALLY caught him flirting with the hot redheaded barista at Starbucks.

How does a 3 year old flirt?


Hey, baby... this isn't a half a roll of life savers in my pocket.
 
2013-03-15 06:36:47 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age


Kind of, but not entirely.

I remember find my dad's Playboys when I was around the age and getting an erection from looking at the pictures. I had no idea what an erection was or why my weener was suddenly hard, but I certainly understood that I liked looking at naked ladies.

/ I also got an erection the first time I played doctor with a neighbor girl... which would have been around 8.
 
2013-03-15 06:37:54 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Soup4Bonnie: Mike Chewbacca: When my cousin's son was 3, his dad TOTALLY caught him flirting with the hot redheaded barista at Starbucks.

How does a 3 year old flirt?

Hey, baby... this isn't a half a roll of life savers in my pocket.


Do you want the window or the aisle? Fark, I laughed.
 
2013-03-15 06:38:20 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Mike Chewbacca: When my cousin's son was 3, his dad TOTALLY caught him flirting with the hot redheaded barista at Starbucks.

How does a 3 year old flirt?


Really, you can't figure it out?
 
2013-03-15 06:38:33 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age


Uhm, no. I was super gay early on. By the time I was six my parents should have figured this out after my obsession with Micheal York. Kids are more sexual than the puritanical assholes running this country think they are.
 
2013-03-15 06:38:57 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.




I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".
 
2013-03-15 06:39:05 PM

poot_rootbeer: Thanks, Dad, for making up your mind about my sexuality years before I even started to entertain the issue for myself.

Also for listening in on a private conversation between me and my friend.

God, you're THE WORST


You want privacy? Get a job and a place to live. As long as you live in MY house...
 
2013-03-15 06:39:17 PM
awww man I swore I wasn't going to cry..
 
2013-03-15 06:39:50 PM

swingbozo: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

Uhm, no. I was super gay early on. By the time I was six my parents should have figured this out after my obsession with Micheal York. Kids are more sexual than the puritanical assholes running this country think they are.


Or rather than they want people to think they are. Controlling sex as comprehensively as possible is one of the foundations of theocratic control.
 
2013-03-15 06:41:23 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Mike Chewbacca: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

Trolling?

No, I'm not trolling. I just think it's odd that we are going to label six year olds for life.


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-03-15 06:43:00 PM

WhippingBoy: FunkOut: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

When my sister was in grade 1, there was one boy who spent every recess and break styling the girls' hair, brushing and braiding and putting in ponytails. He wanted everything to be made beautiful and arranged nicely. If your 6 year old boy wants to be a hairstylist, collect unicorns, and is horrified by ripped clothes, dirt, and people shouting, that could be an indicator.

I thought stereotypes were bad?


Stereotyping = saving time
 
2013-03-15 06:43:02 PM
Not to be a douche, but I've heard it different from gay people...and it's just an honest question:

Nature or nature? Are you born gay, or do you become gay?

/I'm curious. From a scientific standpoint, not a "that thing/person/experience" must have made you gay.
 
2013-03-15 06:43:43 PM
I guess I went through the reverse situation of that.  Ten years ago my dad came out as gay, I just gave him a hug and told him it didn't matter to me.  He's much happier now.  Good for him.
 
2013-03-15 06:44:31 PM

Cheater71: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mike Chewbacca: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

Trolling?

No, I'm not trolling. I just think it's odd that we are going to label six year olds for life.

[southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com image 200x150]


Is this why I am not Wonder Woman..Because at 6 I was Wonder Woman all the freaking time.
 
2013-03-15 06:45:34 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

Me and my brother knew our cousin was gay around that age, but we never let him know we knew


guestofaguest.com
"You knew he was gay when you were kids!  You was playing ball, he was jumping rope! He didn't turn gay, he was gay then. He just didn't have nobody to be gay with"
 
2013-03-15 06:45:34 PM
When I was a kid talking on the phone to one of my friends and we suspected a parent might be listening in, we'd always try to say something shocking just to get them to admit to eavesdropping.

Just saying.
 
2013-03-15 06:46:24 PM

Raider_dad: My daughter didn't come out to me , I asked her "So were you ever going to tell me your gay?" and she got a big "gosh I don't know" smile on her face. I just told her not to worry about what people think and to just follow her heart , because it will guide her in the right direction.


Does anyone think it might be easier as a father to accept a gay daughter more so than a gay son?
 
2013-03-15 06:46:31 PM
Dammit!  Now I want some bread and OJ ...
 
2013-03-15 06:47:04 PM

Dahnkster: I hope this story is not fake, but either way I'm getting to the bottom of this. 
[d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net image 333x333]


Maybe he just needs to pee. Or poop. Or dance. Or some or all of them.

All right. He's gay.
 
2013-03-15 06:47:18 PM

GoSurfing: Not to be a douche, but I've heard it different from gay people...and it's just an honest question:

Nature or nature? Are you born gay, or do you become gay?

/I'm curious. From a scientific standpoint, not a "that thing/person/experience" must have made you gay.


It's a choice made on an individual basis, obviously.

/How does the religious right make this kind of argument on a daily basis?
//feels gross
 
2013-03-15 06:50:17 PM
Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age.

I had crushes on girls by age 5.  Attraction went sexual by age 9 (reading my friend's dad's playboy magazines, fantasizing about girls, etc).
 
2013-03-15 06:50:31 PM
 
2013-03-15 06:51:14 PM
This afternoon my Southern Baptist Grandmother was over for me to fix her computer. Every thing was going smoothly till she started talking to me about God.
She said "homosexuality is a sin" and I said "I have Gay Christian friends who go to church"--she said "well no one is without sin" and I said "so why persecute gays? She then went back to "My best friend growing up was Jim Nabors" I said "I know and you would think that you would get that he is a good person so gay people can be good people and get over it" She was mad when she left. OH well. I can fix the computer but I can't fix the delusion to control sexuality.
 
2013-03-15 06:52:10 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".


See, there are a lot of religiously influenced groups that would have people believe sexual orientation is a choice (and thus condemnable as sin), but weight of evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) seems to suggest a very different story of human sexual development.

Don't follow the propaganda, follow the evidence.
 
2013-03-15 06:52:26 PM

Cheater71: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mike Chewbacca: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

Trolling?

No, I'm not trolling. I just think it's odd that we are going to label six year olds for life.

[southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com image 200x150]


He didn't label a six year old for life.  He knew, and said nothing, until his son (now older) was ready to say something about it.
 
2013-03-15 06:52:42 PM

Cup_O_Jo: This afternoon my Southern Baptist Grandmother was over for me to fix her computer. Every thing was going smoothly till she started talking to me about God.
She said "homosexuality is a sin" and I said "I have Gay Christian friends who go to church"--she said "well no one is without sin" and I said "so why persecute gays? She then went back to "My best friend growing up was Jim Nabors" I said "I know and you would think that you would get that he is a good person so gay people can be good people and get over it" She was mad when she left. OH well. I can fix the computer but I can't fix the delusion to control sexuality.


Change her desktop to a rainbow.
 
2013-03-15 06:52:49 PM

swingbozo: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

Uhm, no. I was super gay early on. By the time I was six my parents should have figured this out after my obsession with Micheal York. Kids are more sexual than the puritanical assholes running this country think they are.


Was it this Michael York?

www.filmreference.com

/I still watch that farking movie just for the title sequence. I have no idea what that says about my sexual preferences
 
2013-03-15 06:52:49 PM
I'm quite tired of the "lesbians are our lost sons" crap. Everyone knows the gay boy factor is something about anal sex. Our lovely snowflake likes it up the ass, that certainly wakes everyone up.
 
2013-03-15 06:53:25 PM

valar_morghulis: GoSurfing: Not to be a douche, but I've heard it different from gay people...and it's just an honest question:

Nature or nature? Are you born gay, or do you become gay?

/I'm curious. From a scientific standpoint, not a "that thing/person/experience" must have made you gay.

It's a choice made on an individual basis, obviously.

/How does the religious right make this kind of argument on a daily basis?
//feels gross


I hope you aren't misunderstanding me. I'm not alleging it to be a choice.

/forget the question- you all probably think I'm a douche neo-con.
//guess it makes sense that statistical likelihood of being gay is akin to statistical likelihood of you have blue eyes or not.
 
2013-03-15 06:53:42 PM
i.imgflip.com
 
2013-03-15 06:54:27 PM

swingbozo: I'm quite tired of the "lesbians are our lost sons" crap. Everyone knows the gay boy factor is something about anal sex. Our lovely snowflake likes it up the ass, that certainly wakes everyone up.


I'm not sure if this is offensive, because I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.
 
2013-03-15 06:56:14 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: sleeps in trees: I actually asked my son if he was gay, he has tons of girlfriends but no "girlfriend".  I said, I'm cool with it but your conservative dad might need a talk by me before you come out, to ease the blow (yeah pun intended).  He said "No I just want to hang out, get hugs (he's short so face boobage is awesome)  and I hate talking about feelings. But can I tell Jon your ok with it?  He's afraid to tell his parents."   Broke my heart.  At 15 you should be able to tell your mum everything.

I didn't really understand this post, but this is still called for

[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x208]




He's straight, but his best friend is gay. Sorry.
 
2013-03-15 06:56:23 PM
I'm suspicious of "news" articles that I see scooped by Facebook viewers....
Now I'm going to be expecting Snopes, or a "Follow up" article about how it's not real. :-/
 
2013-03-15 06:57:31 PM

GoSurfing: valar_morghulis: GoSurfing: Not to be a douche, but I've heard it different from gay people...and it's just an honest question:

Nature or nature? Are you born gay, or do you become gay?

/I'm curious. From a scientific standpoint, not a "that thing/person/experience" must have made you gay.

It's a choice made on an individual basis, obviously.

/How does the religious right make this kind of argument on a daily basis?
//feels gross

I hope you aren't misunderstanding me. I'm not alleging it to be a choice.

/forget the question- you all probably think I'm a douche neo-con.
//guess it makes sense that statistical likelihood of being gay is akin to statistical likelihood of you have blue eyes or not.


I don't think you're a douche neo-con. I was just being a douche by channelling my inner douche neo-con. We straight, dawg.
 
2013-03-15 06:57:32 PM
Low Pulp?
 
2013-03-15 06:57:48 PM

sleeps in trees: thisisyourbrainonFark: sleeps in trees: I actually asked my son if he was gay, he has tons of girlfriends but no "girlfriend".  I said, I'm cool with it but your conservative dad might need a talk by me before you come out, to ease the blow (yeah pun intended).  He said "No I just want to hang out, get hugs (he's short so face boobage is awesome)  and I hate talking about feelings. But can I tell Jon your ok with it?  He's afraid to tell his parents."   Broke my heart.  At 15 you should be able to tell your mum everything.

I didn't really understand this post, but this is still called for

[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x208]

He's straight, but his best friend is gay. Sorry.


^--- This.
 
2013-03-15 06:58:05 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".

See, there are a lot of religiously influenced groups that would have people believe sexual orientation is a choice (and thus condemnable as sin), but weight of evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) seems to suggest a very different story of human sexual development.

Don't follow the propaganda, follow the evidence.




I don't care who or isn't gay. I just think that we shouldn't be thinking about six years olds sex orientations. Heck six year old kids shouldn't know what sex is.
 
2013-03-15 06:58:25 PM
TheShavingofOccam123:

Was it this Michael York?

Logan's run sweetie, I chapped my hands during that movie...
 
2013-03-15 07:00:19 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".

See, there are a lot of religiously influenced groups that would have people believe sexual orientation is a choice (and thus condemnable as sin), but weight of evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) seems to suggest a very different story of human sexual development.

Don't follow the propaganda, follow the evidence.

I don't care who or isn't gay. I just think that we shouldn't be thinking about six years olds sex orientations. Heck six year old kids shouldn't know what sex is.


Oh shut up you prude.
 
2013-03-15 07:02:12 PM

swingbozo: TheShavingofOccam123:

Was it this Michael York?

Logan's run sweetie, I chapped my hands during that movie...


Ah, yes. Logan's Run. It had something for everyone.
 
2013-03-15 07:03:04 PM
Kids start to work out gender and sexual identity pretty early on, they just usually have no frame of reference to discuss it with anyone. As others have pointed out, sexual desire and attraction are two different things. I've been attracted to lots of girls but had no interest in actually having sex with them. Not that I'd have said no, I just never considered it a goal. Human interaction is way more complex than some of you seem to think, especially when you admit to yourself you don't have to behave the way everyone else does.
 
2013-03-15 07:04:32 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".

See, there are a lot of religiously influenced groups that would have people believe sexual orientation is a choice (and thus condemnable as sin), but weight of evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) seems to suggest a very different story of human sexual development.

Don't follow the propaganda, follow the evidence.

I don't care who or isn't gay. I just think that we shouldn't be thinking about six years olds sex orientations. Heck six year old kids shouldn't know what sex is.

Oh shut up you prude.




How does that make me a prude? 6 years olds should be innocent.
 
2013-03-15 07:04:49 PM
Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.
 
2013-03-15 07:05:14 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".

See, there are a lot of religiously influenced groups that would have people believe sexual orientation is a choice (and thus condemnable as sin), but weight of evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) seems to suggest a very different story of human sexual development.

Don't follow the propaganda, follow the evidence.

I don't care who or isn't gay. I just think that we shouldn't be thinking about six years olds sex orientations. Heck six year old kids shouldn't know what sex is.


Why?

Understand, I'm not advocating pedophilia, but why should six year old kids be insulated from learning, academically, a biological fact? Recall, I learned from an encyclopedia at age seven. I grew up into a man comfortable with his sexuality and did not turn into a raving sex fiend or sex offender. Are you saying I'm the exception to some rule I'm unaware of?

What exactly is it you believe you are protecting them (or civilization) from?
 
2013-03-15 07:06:43 PM

swingbozo: Logan's run sweetie, I chapped my hands during that movie...


I don't care who or what you're fapping to.  You're just lucky it was your hands that chapped.
 
2013-03-15 07:06:55 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: All kinds of awesome. My brother died of AIDS, and our parents never accepted his orientation.

/why yes, fundy Christian upbringing
//one time when we were driving he started to turn and I told him to go straight. "I tried," he said.


I was a part of my campus's Gay/Straight Alliance in college. One of the oldest (and still in use) jokes that we had was having to say "Proceed gaily forward" instead of "Go straight."
 
2013-03-15 07:07:32 PM

SultanofSchwing: Cup_O_Jo: This afternoon my Southern Baptist Grandmother was over for me to fix her computer. Every thing was going smoothly till she started talking to me about God.
She said "homosexuality is a sin" and I said "I have Gay Christian friends who go to church"--she said "well no one is without sin" and I said "so why persecute gays? She then went back to "My best friend growing up was Jim Nabors" I said "I know and you would think that you would get that he is a good person so gay people can be good people and get over it" She was mad when she left. OH well. I can fix the computer but I can't fix the delusion to control sexuality.

Change her desktop to a rainbow.


I am working on a photoshop of Jim Nabors with rainbow angel wings holding a bible. Is that going overboard? LOL
 
2013-03-15 07:08:29 PM
That's a great letter.  My mom found out I was gay snooping around my computer one day when I was 16.  Her reaction was to try and send me to therapy and the local Priest to talk to.  We didn't talk much until I was in my late 20's and have only a luke-warm relationship.
 
2013-03-15 07:08:40 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: How does that make me a prude? 6 years olds should be innocent.


How does me thinking about my cousin's heterosexuality ("Yep, he's straight!") take away his innocence? How does a 6 year old giggling at the underwear ads in that week's circular take away his (or her!) innocence? Why are you more uncomfortable with your kid's sexuality than he is?
 
2013-03-15 07:10:25 PM
My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I. He played baseball on the same team as we did. He took dance and tumbling classes at the same school as I did. She probably knew him at 8 or 9 years old. Throughout high school, she insisted he was gay. He didn't have overly feminine behaviors, there were plenty of boys in the tumbling and dance classes we took together, it wasn't that he was unmasculine, he just was gay. During high school, so, so many girls had huge crushes on him and threw themselves at him and despite numerous jerks pointing out his rumored sexuality, these girls never believed it (or thought they could change him?) My mom, though a zealot anti-gay Christian now, was always very specific to my brother and I that we were to never, ever speak of his sexual orientation. It was NOT OK to ever share that information.

He got married last year, 13 years after high school having not come out during that time. A few of the girls who had crushes on him have admitted to never even considering it was possible that he was gay.
 
2013-03-15 07:10:43 PM
"Your mom and I think you and Mike make a cute couple."

Kiss of death Mike.  Sorry about that.  He'll be dropping you like a bad habit within a week.


Cool on the parents.  Awesome dads are awesome.
 
2013-03-15 07:11:52 PM

DeerNuts: my batter half


/that's a new expression. presumably due to you coating him in your baby batter?
 
2013-03-15 07:14:29 PM
Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink
 
2013-03-15 07:14:45 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


There exists a picture of my beloved little brother at the age of two wearing my older sister's pink tutu and looking absolutely resplendent in it, as if he was born to wear it.  I always knew he was gay, though he waited until he was in college before coming out.  I was like, "No shiat, dude.  About time you figured it out.  Let's have a beer."

/CSB , literally
//love my little brother and he loves me after I was a jerk to him growing up
///you can't unscramble an egg, but people grow
 
2013-03-15 07:16:02 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I.


My daughter had a best friend guy from grade school through high school.  When they were about 12, my wife said "he is gay", and my daughter said "No way!" and gave a hundred reasons why he wasn't.  We both just said it wasn't a big deal, and not to worry about it.

When he came home from his first semester at college, our daughter came in with breaking news that he was gay.  We reminded her of a conversation about 6 years earlier that she "vaguely recalled".
 
2013-03-15 07:17:32 PM

sleeps in trees: thisisyourbrainonFark: sleeps in trees: I actually asked my son if he was gay, he has tons of girlfriends but no "girlfriend".  I said, I'm cool with it but your conservative dad might need a talk by me before you come out, to ease the blow (yeah pun intended).  He said "No I just want to hang out, get hugs (he's short so face boobage is awesome)  and I hate talking about feelings. But can I tell Jon your ok with it?  He's afraid to tell his parents."   Broke my heart.  At 15 you should be able to tell your mum everything.

I didn't really understand this post, but this is still called for

[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x208]

He's straight, but his best friend is gay. Sorry.


'Tis fine, we're all starting to imbibe. Except for the "straight"-laced.
 
2013-03-15 07:18:25 PM

This space intentionally left blank.: Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink


EXTRA PULP IS GREAT.  TRY SOME
 
2013-03-15 07:20:32 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


Huh.  I had already been having 3-ways with the neighbor girls for a year...

Sometimes, sexual orientation is *really obvious* at an early age.
 
2013-03-15 07:21:36 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: This space intentionally left blank.: Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink

EXTRA PULP IS GREAT.  TRY SOME


This. I sincerely love extra pulp orange juice.

/admit to being one of the folks who shared this on FB
//i so hope it's true.
 
2013-03-15 07:22:07 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: sleeps in trees: thisisyourbrainonFark: sleeps in trees: I actually asked my son if he was gay, he has tons of girlfriends but no "girlfriend".  I said, I'm cool with it but your conservative dad might need a talk by me before you come out, to ease the blow (yeah pun intended).  He said "No I just want to hang out, get hugs (he's short so face boobage is awesome)  and I hate talking about feelings. But can I tell Jon your ok with it?  He's afraid to tell his parents."   Broke my heart.  At 15 you should be able to tell your mum everything.

I didn't really understand this post, but this is still called for

[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x208]

He's straight, but his best friend is gay. Sorry.

'Tis fine, we're all starting to imbibe. Except for the "straight"-laced.





You missed "your". I'm on a streek.
 
2013-03-15 07:22:36 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-15 07:23:08 PM

SBinRR: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I.

My daughter had a best friend guy from grade school through high school.  When they were about 12, my wife said "he is gay", and my daughter said "No way!" and gave a hundred reasons why he wasn't.  We both just said it wasn't a big deal, and not to worry about it.

When he came home from his first semester at college, our daughter came in with breaking news that he was gay.  We reminded her of a conversation about 6 years earlier that she "vaguely recalled".


My mom is friend's with my childhood friend's aunt on Facebook so she saw that he had a hyphenated name after getting married and good grief, you'd think that cow never had the chance to say "I told you so" before in her life. Believe me, my brother was a huge tool as a teenager, she said it almost constantly. Yes, yes, he's gay, you were right. Remember when you weren't an intolerant bigot and told your kids to never, ever treat their gay friend who was in the closet any differently because he was gay?! Remember when you raised us to be compassionate and tolerant?

/My mom flipped the script and is now a hugely intolerant biatch about gayness.
//she RSVP'd on Facebook to a Chik-Fil-A appreciation thing in August last year.
///The ensuing drama lasted for two days, 230 comments on my Facebook between my family, friends and coworkers.
//I blocked my mom and brother from posting.
/We spoke again after WA state approved R74 for marriage equality in November.
 
2013-03-15 07:25:13 PM

Dr_Gene: Acharne: My parents are lesbians.


If you're a guy and your parents are lesbians, they're not telling you the whole story.

/Y-Chromosome in the woodpile, perhaps?
// NNTAWWT


OK here goes: Mom has always been a lesbian. Once and only once she got drunk and slept with a dude (not sure if it was in a woodpile, but she must have been piled by wood. Y she did that, I don't know). A couple weeks after that she hooked up with a new lady and they fell in love. Shortly after that mom realised she was pregnant with me. Big changes. They agree to raise me together. *BAM* 32 years pass and here we are, in this thread.  There is more to the story but this is Fark and I'm already causing many pairs of pants to stir by simply mentioning a lesbian having sex with a dude once.
 
2013-03-15 07:25:23 PM

ravenlore: This. I sincerely love extra pulp orange juice.


www.spscriptorium.com

Christ, eat an orange.
 
2013-03-15 07:26:08 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


My mom works at a daycare and today she said one of the 4-year-old girls only wears boys underwear because she has decided she is a boy. It's not a phase either, her parents have met with the directors and stuff. Maybe at 6 he painted his GI Joes pink and made them little dresses?
 
2013-03-15 07:26:44 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I. He played baseball on the same team as we did. He took dance and tumbling classes at the same school as I did. She probably knew him at 8 or 9 years old. Throughout high school, she insisted he was gay. He didn't have overly feminine behaviors, there were plenty of boys in the tumbling and dance classes we took together, it wasn't that he was unmasculine, he just was gay. During high school, so, so many girls had huge crushes on him and threw themselves at him and despite numerous jerks pointing out his rumored sexuality, these girls never believed it (or thought they could change him?) My mom, though a zealot anti-gay Christian now, was always very specific to my brother and I that we were to never, ever speak of his sexual orientation. It was NOT OK to ever share that information.

He got married last year, 13 years after high school having not come out during that time. A few of the girls who had crushes on him have admitted to never even considering it was possible that he was gay.


So is he gay?
 
2013-03-15 07:26:48 PM
As someone that just took down  a whole bottle of Trop 50 I am getting a kick of being out of Orange Juice. I always worry about how I would handle it if (when I have kids) one of my kids came out. I really don't give a crap if I have a gay son or daughter and I would hope that I am a good enough dad that my kid will know I love them unconditionally but I don't know if I should just be nonchalant like this dad or if it is important that you address it and explain your position, if a demonstrative expression of my support is truly important. I guess I may find out one day who knows.
 
2013-03-15 07:27:57 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: SBinRR: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I.

My daughter had a best friend guy from grade school through high school.  When they were about 12, my wife said "he is gay", and my daughter said "No way!" and gave a hundred reasons why he wasn't.  We both just said it wasn't a big deal, and not to worry about it.

When he came home from his first semester at college, our daughter came in with breaking news that he was gay.  We reminded her of a conversation about 6 years earlier that she "vaguely recalled".

My mom is friend's with my childhood friend's aunt on Facebook so she saw that he had a hyphenated name after getting married and good grief, you'd think that cow never had the chance to say "I told you so" before in her life. Believe me, my brother was a huge tool as a teenager, she said it almost constantly. Yes, yes, he's gay, you were right. Remember when you weren't an intolerant bigot and told your kids to never, ever treat their gay friend who was in the closet any differently because he was gay?! Remember when you raised us to be compassionate and tolerant?

/My mom flipped the script and is now a hugely intolerant biatch about gayness.
//she RSVP'd on Facebook to a Chik-Fil-A appreciation thing in August last year.
///The ensuing drama lasted for two days, 230 comments on my Facebook between my family, friends and coworkers.
//I blocked my mom and brother from posting.
/We spoke again after WA state approved R74 for marriage equality in November.


That sucks man.  My parents have the intolerance virus as well, so I get that.  They were also the Chik-Fil-A day attendees posting on Facebook as well.  My proudest moment during all that was when my daughter updated her FB page during that mess to say "I'm so happy that I was raised by parents that treat ALL people equally and taught me to do the same".
 
2013-03-15 07:30:30 PM

Watubi: Uh, Dad?  Mike isn't gay


this. And mikes parents saw the letter and already sent their straight son off to anti gay camp.

As for dad and son...damn it's dusty!
 
2013-03-15 07:31:26 PM

Ned Stark: So did the brat go buy orange juice or not?


yes he did.. but I think he forgot the daily bread.
 
2013-03-15 07:32:40 PM

SBinRR: My parents have the intolerance virus as well, so I get that.


I'm so glad mine do not! I didn't talk to my parents about marriage equality until probably 4 years ago. I assumed they were against it because they were devout Christians. But they both said that they support marriage equality (and legalization of marijuana, and gambling, and prostitution, because prohibiting it causes more harm than good). I was pleasantly surprised! But, they're Methodist, so that might be part of why they're progressive.
 
2013-03-15 07:32:55 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


buckler: When I was taking care of kids, I had one not much older who enjoyed hanging out with the girls much more than with boys, enjoyed playing hairdressing games, liked to try on jewelry and girls' hats and such, and who refused to play competitive games. He liked watching "girly" cartoons and shows. Visiting counselors would say they could easily see feather boas in his future. At some point, it becomes pretty evident. Not always, mind you, but it's fairly obvious.


FunkOut: When my sister was in grade 1, there was one boy who spent every recess and break styling the girls' hair, brushing and braiding and putting in ponytails. He wanted everything to be made beautiful and arranged nicely. If your 6 year old boy wants to be a hairstylist, collect unicorns, and is horrified by ripped clothes, dirt, and people shouting, that could be an indicator.


That's not an indicator of being gay. That's an indicator of liking girly things.  It's about as good an indicator of being gay as a man watching My Little Pony is an indicator of him being a pedophile. And it's cited as such about as often. Which is a shame, because many gay men are as manly as can be, and many heterosexual men like "girly" pursuits.
 
2013-03-15 07:33:07 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: This space intentionally left blank.: Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink

EXTRA PULP IS GREAT.  TRY SOME


Bleh. Gets caught in my teeth.

Y'know, if we do this right we could turn this thread into a pulp/no pulp flame war. It could almost be as big as the creamy/crunchy peanut butter wars of 2007.
 
2013-03-15 07:33:42 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Mike Chewbacca: When my cousin's son was 3, his dad TOTALLY caught him flirting with the hot redheaded barista at Starbucks.

How does a 3 year old flirt?


My then 3 year old son flirted with a group of cute college girls when we were stuck in an airport with a delayed connection. He sauntered up to them and announced, "I can go poo poo on the potty all by myself now!" The girls seemed to think it was adorable, so it kinda worked.
 
2013-03-15 07:35:06 PM
When *I* was six, I saw that poster of "Star Wars", where Luke's shirt is spread open down to his bellybutton, and I remember thinking, "THAT scene wasn't in the movie!"

/yeah, I was gay at six
//eventually I noticed Leia on the poster too
 
2013-03-15 07:36:30 PM
s1.dmcdn.net

//hotlinks.
 
2013-03-15 07:37:04 PM

Mike Chewbacca: SBinRR: My parents have the intolerance virus as well, so I get that.

I'm so glad mine do not! I didn't talk to my parents about marriage equality until probably 4 years ago. I assumed they were against it because they were devout Christians. But they both said that they support marriage equality (and legalization of marijuana, and gambling, and prostitution, because prohibiting it causes more harm than good). I was pleasantly surprised! But, they're Methodist, so that might be part of why they're progressive.


I want to party trade casserole recipes with your parents. :)

My folks were pretty damn awesome when they were younger, but damn if they haven't gone way right in all the wrong ways in the last 15-20 years.   They still have their Bob Dylan and Peter Paul & Mary albums, but something went way wrong.
 
2013-03-15 07:40:14 PM

This space intentionally left blank.: Jon iz teh kewl: This space intentionally left blank.: Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink

EXTRA PULP IS GREAT.  TRY SOME

Bleh. Gets caught in my teeth.

Y'know, if we do this right we could turn this thread into a pulp/no pulp flame war. It could almost be as big as the creamy/crunchy peanut butter wars of 2007.


Pulp damnit! More fiber. This is nutritional fact here slapping the face of the no-pulp freaks. The texture adds to the body of the drink. It is not gross, the detractors are defective.
 
2013-03-15 07:45:20 PM

Acharne: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I. He played baseball on the same team as we did. He took dance and tumbling classes at the same school as I did. She probably knew him at 8 or 9 years old. Throughout high school, she insisted he was gay. He didn't have overly feminine behaviors, there were plenty of boys in the tumbling and dance classes we took together, it wasn't that he was unmasculine, he just was gay. During high school, so, so many girls had huge crushes on him and threw themselves at him and despite numerous jerks pointing out his rumored sexuality, these girls never believed it (or thought they could change him?) My mom, though a zealot anti-gay Christian now, was always very specific to my brother and I that we were to never, ever speak of his sexual orientation. It was NOT OK to ever share that information.

He got married last year, 13 years after high school having not come out during that time. A few of the girls who had crushes on him have admitted to never even considering it was possible that he was gay.

So is he gay?


Yes, I am sorry if that was unclear, when I said, "my mom knew..."
 
2013-03-15 07:45:29 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


You raise a good point.  Exactly what did he mean by 'I knew you were gay since you were 6'?  There are some places that goes, which aren't (uhm) heartwarming or positive.
 
2013-03-15 07:46:31 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

You raise a good point.  Exactly what did he mean by 'I knew you were gay since you were 6'?  There are some places that goes, which aren't (uhm) heartwarming or positive.


RTFT?
 
2013-03-15 07:48:12 PM

GoSurfing: This space intentionally left blank.: Jon iz teh kewl: This space intentionally left blank.: Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink

EXTRA PULP IS GREAT.  TRY SOME

Bleh. Gets caught in my teeth.

Y'know, if we do this right we could turn this thread into a pulp/no pulp flame war. It could almost be as big as the creamy/crunchy peanut butter wars of 2007.

Pulp damnit! More fiber. This is nutritional fact here slapping the face of the no-pulp freaks. The texture adds to the body of the drink. It is not gross, the detractors are defective.


Sometimes, Iike my orange juice smooth and pulp-free.

Sometimes, I like my OJ so thick with pulp I can chew it.

I guess I'm Bi-Jucial.
 
2013-03-15 07:48:54 PM

Watubi: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

Watch some old reruns of Who's the Boss and then get back to us


I was thinking the  exact same thing.  He was eight when he started on that show, and it was obvious immediately.  I think the world knew long before he did.
 
2013-03-15 07:50:20 PM
I've had to come out to say that I am not, in fact, gay.  When you are 30 and have never had a girlfriend, people begin to start talking...
 
2013-03-15 07:52:15 PM
DeerNuts: ....They even send my batter half birthday cards.


Shows how out of touch I am.  I always thought it was just Pitchers and Catchers.


/I too hope this is not a hoax butt it just seems too....
 
2013-03-15 07:52:29 PM

oukewldave: I've had to come out to say that I am not, in fact, gay.  When you are 30 and have never had a girlfriend, people begin to start talking...


I was single until I was 37. Nobody questioned anything. I guess I was just unattractive.
 
2013-03-15 07:55:06 PM
Every one of the comments on there that is against the letter for supporting homosexuality trumpets their "values."  They literally act like hate, inter-family discord and judging others are the most important principles to live by.  I really get annoyed at other people who aren't religious that bash religion on the internet, but it is getting harder and harder to refrain from doing it myself.
 
2013-03-15 07:55:32 PM
If six year olds don't know if they're gay or not, how come so many of them hook up with male priests???

Answer me that, smart guys!
 
2013-03-15 07:56:23 PM
That sucks man.  My parents have the intolerance virus as well, so I get that.  They were also the Chik-Fil-A day attendees posting on Facebook as well.  My proudest moment during all that was when my daughter updated her FB page during that mess to say "I'm so happy that I was raised by parents that treat ALL people equally and taught me to do the same".

I am glad you and your child found a better way. I honestly do not understand the shift in her mindset. From a very early age, we were raised that equality is key, even though we were raised in a devout Christian family. When the pastor of the church we used to attend (and my grandmother still attends) was outed by Lavender magazine because he was a fire-and-brimstone anti-gay YouTube freakshow who blamed tolerant Lutheran pastors for tornado damage in downtown Minneapolis, my mother broke the news to me and was very disturbed that she raised my brother and I in a church led by such a horrible person (not because he was gay, but because he was such a arse about it.) She even, shock of shocks, said my dad was probably right about the pastor all along (my dad actually disrupted services when the pastor spoke out of line with the Bible and was thrown out multiple times.) Then, she got involved in this weirdo prosperity gospel based mega-church and totally changed. Thankfully, I got out with a better sense of compassion. My brother is a little homophobic, after spending time in the military under DADT.

Sadly, my mom has a gay uncle who we love and respect. Her new beliefs are very upsetting to me, because she just seems to have done a 180. My husband questions her mental fitness. I think she's been so distressed by her unemployment, plus the lure of the fellowship from the megachurch, she's lost her way. I hope, before my hypothetical and unborn children come along, she finds her senses again. Her homophobia and intolerance would be a deal breaker for me, just like my dad's brother's racial intolerance and bigotry was when she was raising us.
 
2013-03-15 07:56:35 PM

aspAddict: Ed Grubermann: So you're the ... nah, too easy.

Dammit, and I even refreshed before I made the pitcher/catcher joke.

/Oh well..


Yeah....I should have read on too.  Sorry for repeating the same joke.
 
2013-03-15 07:58:45 PM

Godscrack: This a touching story. But in the real world, not all gay people care if they have acceptance from parents.

Or anyone.


This, sort of.

Big farking deal.  Millions of kids want and get the attention they need from their parents, straight, gay, or otherwise.

We shouldn't celebrate the mediocrity of someone reacting rationally.

As to the "this" part.  We all mostly know what our parents will and will not except or handle well for the most part.  Being overly concerned with what your parents think to the point it causes stress is possibly indicative of problems.  If they have a thing against gay's or whatever, lower your expectations of them and adjust accordingly.  Break or limit your bond with them, it's not the end of the world.  Part of the point of growing up is getting by without them and not sharing every little thing with them.

For this kid it should be a reality check on how he reads and identifies with other people, and how wrong he was, or at the very least, how insecure he was.  The note is comforting in that regard, but it is a small band-aid on the large wound, the relief felt from such a situation masks the kid's real problems.

I never understood the need to be "out".  Carry out your life as you will, and avoid the assholes who shouldn't rightly care but still seem to anyhow. Simple really.  No need for attention seeking or creating drama that need not be there.
 
2013-03-15 07:59:48 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


When I was a kid back in 60's-70's there was a kid down the block who played with his sisters Barbies etc. Yep he was gay when he grew up. So I reckon it can be obvious even at a young age in some cases. Probably really pissed his Dad off, that guy was a crewcut ex-military pilot who flew for I think United Airlines. Every kid on the block was glad he wasn't our Dad, he was not that nice to his future gay kid. Glad the guy in this letter is cool with his son no matter what.
 
2013-03-15 08:03:21 PM

This space intentionally left blank.: Jon iz teh kewl: This space intentionally left blank.: Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink

EXTRA PULP IS GREAT.  TRY SOME

Bleh. Gets caught in my teeth.

Y'know, if we do this right we could turn this thread into a pulp/no pulp flame war. It could almost be as big as the creamy/crunchy peanut butter wars of 2007.


Crunchy.
 
2013-03-15 08:04:35 PM

ravenlore: This space intentionally left blank.: Jon iz teh kewl: This space intentionally left blank.: Little shiat probably brought back the OJ with extra pulp. I hate that stuff.

/ another guy who would like to shake that dad's hand and buy him a drink

EXTRA PULP IS GREAT.  TRY SOME

Bleh. Gets caught in my teeth.

Y'know, if we do this right we could turn this thread into a pulp/no pulp flame war. It could almost be as big as the creamy/crunchy peanut butter wars of 2007.

Crunchy.


I don't like peanut butter in ANY form. This opinion has caused me to be branded as a heretic.
 
2013-03-15 08:08:07 PM
A similar thing happened with a close friend in high school. Luckily, his parents were as understanding as the dad who wrote thus note. Being a teenager is hard enough and I can't even to begin to imagine the pain of being rejected by your own family for just being you.
 
2013-03-15 08:08:41 PM
I suspect most parents of gay kids are likewise aware; yet deny the obvious.  Just imagine the damage being done from that point of recognition forward due to denial.
 
2013-03-15 08:10:35 PM

I should be in the kitchen: A similar thing happened with a close friend in high school. Luckily, his parents were as understanding as the dad who wrote thus note. Being a teenager is hard enough and I can't even to begin to imagine the pain of being rejected by your own family for just being you.


My half-brother (from my father's first marriage) was disowned and shunned by my father for a good 20 years. His crime? Marrying a Puerto Rican woman.
 
2013-03-15 08:10:42 PM
What nonsense.

Did the kid demand to wear princess tutus at 6 and that's how the dad knew?

Just more attempt by people who use their personal life to force their political agenda on the rest of us.
 
2013-03-15 08:11:10 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

He loves his (not) dead gay son.
 
2013-03-15 08:14:35 PM
EXTRA PULP AND CRUNCHY PEANUT BUTTER.

Also, good for that dad. If my daughter ends up liking girls when she's older, I plan to react exactly like this guy did to his son.
 
2013-03-15 08:14:45 PM
I would have been horrified straight had I found a note like that from either of my parents when I was a teen.
 
2013-03-15 08:15:36 PM

SnakeLee: Every one of the comments on there that is against the letter for supporting homosexuality trumpets their "values."  They literally act like hate, inter-family discord and judging others are the most important principles to live by.  I really get annoyed at other people who aren't religious that bash religion on the internet, but it is getting harder and harder to refrain from doing it myself.


Why does homosexuality need to be "supported".  Why can't people be allowed to just not give a fark?

IMO, the more beneficial response would have been.  "We always knew son.  Why were you so afraid to come out sooner? What have we done that would make you think we'd care at all or love you less?"

Answer being "no reason, you did nothing" lets the kid know he's drama queening for absolutely no reason, without beating him over the head with it.

Sexuality isn't that important, well... when your parent's are top on the worry about them knowing list but have not shown evidence that they'd care at all.  That kind of issue is typically reserved for actual children.  By the time you've got your sexuality ironed out, you should know your parents well enough to not lose confidence in them(or have an overconfidence).

Sure, support people that have suffered at the hands of others.  People can come to need validation after being victimized.  But this whole act of all gays needing support is sort of the opposite end of bigotry that's come around full circle and becomes bigotry again.  Same as feminists that think advertising beauty products victimizes innocent women because women are weak and buy into such things hook line and sinker, that they need the protection...
 
2013-03-15 08:17:55 PM
Yeah two of my cousins are gay...we always knew or at least figured. I think my family was more surprised when my mom came out as religious.
 
2013-03-15 08:18:22 PM

thisiszombocom: all my parents do is tell me how disappointed they are in me

:'(

/ really


This isn't about you.  Can't you do anything right?
 
2013-03-15 08:19:46 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


Well this reminds me of Latin American culture - mucho macho naturally - where you will see adults appraise a six-year old and remark "Ese nino es joto" ("That kid's a queer").

It is usually said, from what I've observed, with a mixture of disapproval and pity - most of all for the parents - but also with finality. Which I found interesting: it's there and no amount of football or beatings or hormone therapy or electroshock or Jeebus-screeching is going to change it.
 
2013-03-15 08:20:20 PM

oukewldave: I've had to come out to say that I am not, in fact, gay.  When you are 30 and have never had a girlfriend, people begin to start talking...


I have tons of female friends, I'm sensitive and emotional, I'm an artist, and I'm single.  People tend to assume.   So yeah, I know how you feel.
 
2013-03-15 08:22:49 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


I knew from six (or earlier) that I liked the opposite sex. I had no idea what to do about it, but it for damn sure gave me a different feeling to be around them. It wouldn't surprise me if that was apparent in my behavior. I'm sure that isn't true for everyone, but to me it's your incredulity that is surprising.

/I was pretty stereotypical in my toy/media preferences too
 
2013-03-15 08:23:03 PM

Dragonflew: oukewldave: I've had to come out to say that I am not, in fact, gay.  When you are 30 and have never had a girlfriend, people begin to start talking...

I have tons of female friends, I'm sensitive and emotional, I'm an artist, and I'm single.  People tend to assume.   So yeah, I know how you feel.


I swear my dad thought i was gay for years. I just couldn't tell him that I never brought girls home to meet him because he was an asshole.
 
2013-03-15 08:23:28 PM

poot_rootbeer: Thanks, Dad, for making up your mind about my sexuality years before I even started to entertain the issue for myself.

Also for listening in on a private conversation between me and my friend.

God, you're THE WORST


Is this an example of what is signified when they refer to an attitude as 'contrarian'?
 
2013-03-15 08:26:43 PM

WeenerGord: Does Anita Bryant know teh gays are buying orange juice?!!?


Hag's about 90.

/ I truly enjoyed watching those 'Anita Bryant Look-Alike Contest' shows.
 
2013-03-15 08:27:40 PM
I'm not sure why there is confusion about the fear of coming out. Its a different lifestyle that did not, until recently, get spoken of in open terms.

I had a conversation about religion with my father in law. He was raised Christian in a communist country. His religious education was done in secret, they were made to feel fear of their peers or neighbors or friends finding out about the fact that they were Christian. It was damaging to him and he never anything but shame and anxiety about the religion his parents tried to teach him. So he's atheist, his one sister is Agnostic and his other sister is devoutly Catholic.

Shame, anxiety, fear and secrecy is no way to live your life. It doesn't make you a happy, healthy person. If only a few people know and accept you fully and others expect you to be entirely different, it doesn't help you develop well. I think its the same for children/teenagers who have a different sexual orientation than what their family expects of them.

My husband's cousin and I have been close for nearly 10 years. Since she was just a teenager. For many of those years, she was unsure how I'd react to her sexual orientation. Randomly, I "liked" something on Facebook that indicated I was supportive toward equal rights for gay people (1,000,000 strong for marriage equality or something) and she still wasn't sure I was safe. She would rather hide her orientation, pretend to like guys in my company and keep our friendship than tell me the truth and live her life as who she is. Finally, she decided to take the risk. Well, its not a risk, because I love her no matter what. She asked me if she should tell her cousin/my husband. No brainer, I married a tolerant, open minded person who would accept her whole heartedly.

She has not come out to my brother in law. His new-found Christian faith and the fact that she wants to be involved in the lives of my nephews is worth her keeping it on the  down-low. Sad but true.
 
2013-03-15 08:27:46 PM

Acharne: Dr_Gene: Acharne: My parents are lesbians.


If you're a guy and your parents are lesbians, they're not telling you the whole story.

/Y-Chromosome in the woodpile, perhaps?
// NNTAWWT

OK here goes: Mom has always been a lesbian. Once and only once she got drunk and slept with a dude (not sure if it was in a woodpile, but she must have been piled by wood. Y she did that, I don't know). A couple weeks after that she hooked up with a new lady and they fell in love. Shortly after that mom realised she was pregnant with me. Big changes. They agree to raise me together. *BAM* 32 years pass and here we are, in this thread.  There is more to the story but this is Fark and I'm already causing many pairs of pants to stir by simply mentioning a lesbian having sex with a dude once.


So... Are your moms hot?

/sorry
 
2013-03-15 08:27:56 PM

buckler: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

When I was taking care of kids, I had one not much older who enjoyed hanging out with the girls much more than with boys, enjoyed playing hairdressing games, liked to try on jewelry and girls' hats and such, and who refused to play competitive games. He liked watching "girly" cartoons and shows. Visiting counselors would say they could easily see feather boas in his future. At some point, it becomes pretty evident. Not always, mind you, but it's fairly obvious.


Best friend has told me that he knew he was 'different' since he was about 6.  Said he had the biggest crush on Sandy from the show Flipper...and Jai from Tarzan.

Ex-partner told me he was 'sexually aware' even younger...but that might be because he was molested.
 
2013-03-15 08:28:26 PM

uncleacid: Was he a little too happy to see the tooth fairy, dad?


What? You don't want a quarter??
 
2013-03-15 08:31:52 PM
So some guy is OK with his gay son, but also wants him to buy OJ?

Somewhere, Anita Bryant is feeling very conflicted and confused.
 
2013-03-15 08:35:20 PM
I am sure little foreshadows of our sexuality are there at age six, it happened to me.  I positively had a crush on a girl I sat next to in first grade.  I remember showing her where Italy was on this big word search we were given, thinking I was some big shot white knight.  She didn't seem to reciprocate, though.  And I don't think she showed me where any other countries were. :(

The thing is, this little sexual emergence tends to go away for ages 7-10 or so.
 
2013-03-15 08:35:48 PM

SueDisco: pivazena: I don't know how I'd feel in that situation. If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated? Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me. Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something. Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.

One of my best friends practiced his "Mom, Dad...I'm gay" speech on my parents at Thanksgiving (he couldn't go home for a visit until the weekend because of his job at the time).  He was so nervous to see their reaction.  When he actually told his parents (who were old school hippies), his Mom immediately gushed "Oh honey, I've always know.  I read it in your aura." His dad said "Cool."  He talked about his boyfriend (now husband of 10 years) and his Dad's reaction was, "Oh.  Sounds good.  And you two can share clothes.  That's pretty convenient."

He came back super relieved but also sort of miffed...he was hoping for at least a LITTLE drama.


Drama Queene??
 
2013-03-15 08:36:05 PM

WhippingBoy: If six year olds don't know if they're gay or not, how come so many of them hook up with male priests???

Answer me that, smart guys!


Winner!   +1 internets for you.
 
2013-03-15 08:40:13 PM

Joe Peanut: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

Not 6, but I first met my girlfriend's nephew when he was 9.  On the drive back home, I asked her "does your brother realize his son is gay?" I mean, he was a very effeminate kid.  And loved to dance and show off his dance moves to the entire family.  My girlfriend thought I was crazy.  We met him again when he was about 14, and he came to NYC for a dance summer program at Julliard.  In my opinion, he was completely out by then.  And my girlfriend still refused to agree.  At 16 he came back to NYC to try out for Julliard, and stayed at our place since we lived near there.  First day he sat down on the couch next to us while we were watching TV, opened his laptop, and the background image was the naked torso of a big muscle dude with a huge unit.  So I turned to her and asked "Now do you believe me?"

Last I heard of him he was a successful choreographer living in Israel.  With his boyfriend.


"Huge Unit"?  Hmmm, band name?
 
2013-03-15 08:41:13 PM

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: His crime? Marrying a Puerto Rican woman.


Now see, that's a choice.
 
2013-03-15 08:41:20 PM

davidphogan: So... Are your moms hot?

/sorry


For each other, yes, quite.
 
2013-03-15 08:43:36 PM
Father of the Year candidate. Lucky kid too.

/dust hell, made me cry
 
2013-03-15 08:45:29 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age


Never play doctor? No??
 
2013-03-15 08:48:03 PM

Acharne: davidphogan: So... Are your moms hot?

/sorry

For each other, yes, quite.


That was an awesome answer to my smartassery. I LOL'd.
 
2013-03-15 08:48:47 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: His crime? Marrying a Puerto Rican woman.

Now see, that's a choice.


It's a choice, but it doesn't make it at all right that his old man turned his back on him like that.
 
2013-03-15 08:48:54 PM

SpeedyBB: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

Well this reminds me of Latin American culture - mucho macho naturally - where you will see adults appraise a six-year old and remark "Ese nino es joto" ("That kid's a queer").

It is usually said, from what I've observed, with a mixture of disapproval and pity - most of all for the parents - but also with finality. Which I found interesting: it's there and no amount of football or beatings or hormone therapy or electroshock or Jeebus-screeching is going to change it.


Well, there is always the burlap sack and river solution...

Nothing like humble clothes, and a fresh baptism before sending them off to live in a monastery with all those catholic monks.

A vow of silence means no telling.
 
2013-03-15 08:49:39 PM
I learned it by watching you!

i641.photobucket.com

 
2013-03-15 08:51:32 PM

obenchainr: I probably knew at 6, though I don't know that I knew what I knew.  I explicitly remember hearing "For the Longest Time" and thinking the guy was singing to a guy and that this was kind of neat (early 80s).  And, no, I didn't play with Barbies - Legos and Transformers, mostly, when I wasn't on the computer or taking apart old electronics.  My parents never claimed to have known, but both are a little self-centered anyway, so they just may not have noticed anything.

/Mid-30s now, came out at 13, never had a girlfriend.


You pretty much described my life. I preferred Lego and Transformers over Barbie, but I didn't come out until I started college.
 
2013-03-15 08:52:59 PM

davidphogan: Acharne: davidphogan: So... Are your moms hot?

/sorry

For each other, yes, quite.

That was an awesome answer to my smartassery. I LOL'd.


I've been asked that question SO often :)  I'm like 'It's my mom! Is YOUR mom hot?'

/Yer mom's hot
 
2013-03-15 08:54:19 PM

This space intentionally left blank.: It's a choice, but it doesn't make it at all right that his old man turned his back on him like that.


I never said it was.  Of course neither of us has met the woman in question so maybe there's some basis for it.

And perhaps we should both check our sarcasm meters.
 
2013-03-15 08:55:05 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

I knew from six (or earlier) that I liked the opposite sex. I had no idea what to do about it, but it for damn sure gave me a different feeling to be around them. It wouldn't surprise me if that was apparent in my behavior. I'm sure that isn't true for everyone, but to me it's your incredulity that is surprising.

/I was pretty stereotypical in my toy/media preferences too


I have four nephews. By the time they hit grade school - the talk of "girlfriends" have long started. Except for one. He's gayer than I am but his dad turns a blind eye to him. When he finally comes out - my brother will have a a heart attack.

/it will be his third
//hopefully this time it kills him
///my brothers an asshole
 
2013-03-15 09:10:45 PM
When I came out to my parents and told them I was straight they supported me 100%.
 
2013-03-15 09:12:57 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: SBinRR: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I.

My daughter had a best friend guy from grade school through high school.  When they were about 12, my wife said "he is gay", and my daughter said "No way!" and gave a hundred reasons why he wasn't.  We both just said it wasn't a big deal, and not to worry about it.

When he came home from his first semester at college, our daughter came in with breaking news that he was gay.  We reminded her of a conversation about 6 years earlier that she "vaguely recalled".

My mom is friend's with my childhood friend's aunt on Facebook so she saw that he had a hyphenated name after getting married and good grief, you'd think that cow never had the chance to say "I told you so" before in her life. Believe me, my brother was a huge tool as a teenager, she said it almost constantly. Yes, yes, he's gay, you were right. Remember when you weren't an intolerant bigot and told your kids to never, ever treat their gay friend who was in the closet any differently because he was gay?! Remember when you raised us to be compassionate and tolerant?

/My mom flipped the script and is now a hugely intolerant biatch about gayness.
//she RSVP'd on Facebook to a Chik-Fil-A appreciation thing in August last year.
///The ensuing drama lasted for two days, 230 comments on my Facebook between my family, friends and coworkers.
//I blocked my mom and brother from posting.
/We spoke again after WA state approved R74 for marriage equality in November.


What made your mom go all WBC like that?
 
2013-03-15 09:17:30 PM

Acharne: Dr_Gene: Acharne: My parents are lesbians.


If you're a guy and your parents are lesbians, they're not telling you the whole story.

/Y-Chromosome in the woodpile, perhaps?
// NNTAWWT

OK here goes: Mom has always been a lesbian. Once and only once she got drunk and slept with a dude (not sure if it was in a woodpile, but she must have been piled by wood. Y she did that, I don't know). A couple weeks after that she hooked up with a new lady and they fell in love. Shortly after that mom realised she was pregnant with me. Big changes. They agree to raise me together. *BAM* 32 years pass and here we are, in this thread.  There is more to the story but this is Fark and I'm already causing many pairs of pants to stir by simply mentioning a lesbian having sex with a dude once.


My mom got pregnant with me by my dad, and with my half-sister by another guy before she realized she was a lesbian. She's been blissfully dick-free since 1982.
 
2013-03-15 09:17:35 PM

BolloxReader: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

I guess I was an odd bird, that was the age I started really noticing women. Of course I didn't actually act on that until high school. And I couldn't have done anything about it at the time anyway.

But yeah some young kids do get urges even if they don't yet know what they mean.


When I was little, I was a complete tomboy and spent most of my time running around, getting dirty, climbing trees, and playing football and soccer with the boys. I hated wearing dresses or skirts or doing my hair and only had dolls I was given, never asked for. I also had a hell of a matchbox car collection that I carried around in a special case.

But I also liked watching Tarzan on TV. The star was Ron Ely, and I thought he was smokin' hot, or however I thought of him with my little-girl vocabulary. I had no idea why I liked watching him run around in the jungle in only his tiny loincloth but boy, did I ever!

So I always knew I was straight, even though I didn't like to do anything that most girls liked to do and had no idea what sex was for many more years after that, but I might have confused my parents...
 
2013-03-15 09:23:40 PM

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: I should be in the kitchen: A similar thing happened with a close friend in high school. Luckily, his parents were as understanding as the dad who wrote thus note. Being a teenager is hard enough and I can't even to begin to imagine the pain of being rejected by your own family for just being you.

My half-brother (from my father's first marriage) was disowned and shunned by my father for a good 20 years. His crime? Marrying a Puerto Rican woman.


Damn, that's awful. I try to at least understand where people are coming from even if I don't agree, but I truly don't understand how people can cast aside their own children like that.
 
2013-03-15 09:24:33 PM

silvervial: BolloxReader: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

I guess I was an odd bird, that was the age I started really noticing women. Of course I didn't actually act on that until high school. And I couldn't have done anything about it at the time anyway.

But yeah some young kids do get urges even if they don't yet know what they mean.

When I was little, I was a complete tomboy and spent most of my time running around, getting dirty, climbing trees, and playing football and soccer with the boys. I hated wearing dresses or skirts or doing my hair and only had dolls I was given, never asked for. I also had a hell of a matchbox car collection that I carried around in a special case.

But I also liked watching Tarzan on TV. The star was Ron Ely, and I thought he was smokin' hot, or however I thought of him with my little-girl vocabulary. I had no idea why I liked watching him run around in the jungle in only his tiny loincloth but boy, did I ever!

So I always knew I was straight, even though I didn't like to do anything that most girls liked to do and had no idea what sex was for many more years after that, but I might have confused my parents...


My sis was a total tomboy. Still is. She's still angry that Mom and Dad refused to buy her "boy's" toys like Transformers and GI Joes and Matchbox cars. But she's totally, 100% straight, and them not buying her the toys she wanted had nothing to do with her heterosexuality.
 
2013-03-15 09:25:02 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: SBinRR: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: My mom knew about one of the childhood friends of my brother and I.

My daughter had a best friend guy from grade school through high school.  When they were about 12, my wife said "he is gay", and my daughter said "No way!" and gave a hundred reasons why he wasn't.  We both just said it wasn't a big deal, and not to worry about it.

When he came home from his first semester at college, our daughter came in with breaking news that he was gay.  We reminded her of a conversation about 6 years earlier that she "vaguely recalled".

My mom is friend's with my childhood friend's aunt on Facebook so she saw that he had a hyphenated name after getting married and good grief, you'd think that cow never had the chance to say "I told you so" before in her life. Believe me, my brother was a huge tool as a teenager, she said it almost constantly. Yes, yes, he's gay, you were right. Remember when you weren't an intolerant bigot and told your kids to never, ever treat their gay friend who was in the closet any differently because he was gay?! Remember when you raised us to be compassionate and tolerant?

/My mom flipped the script and is now a hugely intolerant biatch about gayness.
//she RSVP'd on Facebook to a Chik-Fil-A appreciation thing in August last year.
///The ensuing drama lasted for two days, 230 comments on my Facebook between my family, friends and coworkers.
//I blocked my mom and brother from posting.
/We spoke again after WA state approved R74 for marriage equality in November.

What made your mom go all WBC like that?


I wish I knew. She moved to TX from MN when she lost her job on a whim, leaving my brother who was still in high school to fend for himself (i.e. live with my dad, which is like being left in the woods without a map or a compass) and then she got herself back together in TX. My brother moved there but only stayed for a year or so before joining the Army, when he was gone, she found a new church. From there, it just kept getting worse. Its been unbearable for 3-4 years now.
 
2013-03-15 09:25:57 PM
Tropicana IS the best mass-produced orange juice in the world.
 
2013-03-15 09:31:42 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: My mom got pregnant with me by my dad, and with my half-sister by another guy before she realized she was a lesbian. She's been blissfully dick-free since 1982.


I'm glad she found her way, she wouldn't trade you nor your sister to change anything I bet.

In my case though, my parents have been dick free much less time, only since I moved out.
 
2013-03-15 09:34:33 PM
My sister has yet to come out to the family. We know she's gay. Instead of coming out, she has move across the country to Portland, Oregon, cut off all ties with the family except to my dad. It's bizarre. We all love her, we all know, and we'd just like to at least see her once and a while.
 
2013-03-15 09:36:41 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


I'm gay and suspected it when I was about that age. It wasn't sexual, but I had an inkling I can't quite articulate.

/Not effeminate, didn't play with Barbies, etc.
 
2013-03-15 09:39:41 PM
How the fark in this day and age does someone not realize children can be gay?  Shiat, my parents were born in the '40s and recognized their own cousins being gay when they were kids.  The dudes liked doing girl things when they were very little, so it came as no surprise when they "came out."  It was more like, "Yeah, we know, and we don't care," from what I've been told.  This was the '60s with a bunch of Hispanics, they were much more accepting than the the rest of the country was, now that I think about it.
I have an old friend who took me to family gatherings when we were close 15 years ago.  Her cousin, a 9 year old boy, was the nail painter for grandma because he LOVED (add gay peak stress) doing it.  He also LOVED my dress.  I told my friend he was gay, and she rebutted that he was only 9.  Come 12 years later we were talking, and she says, "____ IS gay."  Yep.  Told you so.
 
2013-03-15 09:47:52 PM

ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.


I think because thinking of kids being sexual beings is creepy for some people. Adults (normal adults) are not attracted to children, therefor I think they tend to view them as being asexual since they aren't sexual to them. While some people find it 'cute' when children have crushes on much older children, teens or adults, there's other people like me who have the internal bleeergh reaction when I realized the little boys I was baby sitting climbing into my lap were faaar more interested in my boobs than the girls and the lap sitting and trying to get close to me was not 100% asexual comfort. It was just weird because until then I had thought of young children as asexual and the idea that kids that young were viewing me in any kind of sexual context freaked me out. I don't really know why, but I didn't really like it. I think it's easier for adults just not to think about that at all when they're dealing with kids.
 
2013-03-15 09:52:57 PM
I'm so jaded and used to hoaxes on the internet that I think it's fake.

/sad, but you get that way after being burned so many times
 
2013-03-15 09:53:51 PM

ambercat: ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.

I think because thinking of kids being sexual beings is creepy for some people. Adults (normal adults) are not attracted to children, therefor I think they tend to view them as being asexual since they aren't sexual to them. While some people find it 'cute' when children have crushes on much older children, teens or adults, there's other people like me who have the internal bleeergh reaction when I realized the little boys I was baby sitting climbing into my lap were faaar more interested in my boobs than the girls and the lap sitting and trying to get close to me was not 100% asexual comfort. It was just weird because until then I had thought of young children as asexual and the idea that kids that young were viewing me in any kind of sexual context freaked me out. I don't really know why, but I didn't really like it. I think it's easier for adults just not to think about that at all when they're dealing with kids.


Actually, now that I've gone ahead and posted I realized why I didn't like it. Because I want to be able to hug and pick up small children without worrying I'm giving some 6 year old a baby boner. Course, now that I'm older, I don't think that's likely, but as a teen, it was odd.
 
2013-03-15 09:54:49 PM

ambercat: ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.

I think because thinking of kids being sexual beings is creepy for some people. Adults (normal adults) are not attracted to children, therefor I think they tend to view them as being asexual since they aren't sexual to them. While some people find it 'cute' when children have crushes on much older children, teens or adults, there's other people like me who have the internal bleeergh reaction when I realized the little boys I was baby sitting climbing into my lap were faaar more interested in my boobs than the girls and the lap sitting and trying to get close to me was not 100% asexual comfort. It was just weird because until then I had thought of young children as asexual and the idea that kids that young were viewing me in any kind of sexual context freaked me out. I don't really know why, but I didn't really like it. I think it's easier for adults just not to think about that at all when they're dealing with kids.


Yeah, my cousin had the same realization when she started hanging out with other parents and their kid. One little boy was always trying to feel her up. Unfortunately, it's probably because he was sexualized early on by either repeated viewings of someone having sex or through active molestation. He used to say all sorts of inappropriate things as well. I can't remember any examples, but it was stuff you'd expect a middle schooler to know, not a 4 year old. He was the only who tried to feel her up repeatedly, but she definitely noticed other boys wanting hugs and laps from her.
 
2013-03-15 10:00:16 PM

Talos: Hmmm...this is too obvious. I'm calling fake.


I see today isn't your first day on the internet.
 
2013-03-15 10:03:36 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Mike Chewbacca: When my cousin's son was 3, his dad TOTALLY caught him flirting with the hot redheaded barista at Starbucks.

How does a 3 year old flirt?


When my niece was three she hit on my (late 30's) boyfriend and asked him to come home with her.  He was more than a little surprised!
 
2013-03-15 10:05:40 PM

ambercat: ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.

I think because thinking of kids being sexual beings is creepy for some people. Adults (normal adults) are not attracted to children, therefor I think they tend to view them as being asexual since they aren't sexual to them. While some people find it 'cute' when children have crushes on much older children, teens or adults, there's other people like me who have the internal bleeergh reaction when I realized the little boys I was baby sitting climbing into my lap were faaar more interested in my boobs than the girls and the lap sitting and trying to get close to me was not 100% asexual comfort. It was just weird because until then I had thought of young children as asexual and the idea that kids that young were viewing me in any kind of sexual context freaked me out. I don't really know why, but I didn't really like it. I think it's easier for adults just not to think about that at all when they're dealing with kids.


Kids are not asexual.  The instinct is there at birth.  I got a farking 3 year old kind of nephew (it's my boyfriend's nephew) bringing me candy and grass he thinks is just as good as flowers to me with his face flushed as he does it.  Kids just don't think about sexuality the same as adults because the "sex" in sexuality is not there yet.  They have no apprehension toward affection.  It is not until adults come in the picture to wag their fingers at them that they start learning what is and is not acceptable behavior, which shapes their idea of what should and should not be, which then leads to shame and guilt.
 
2013-03-15 10:11:04 PM

WeenerGord: Does Anita Bryant know teh gays are buying orange juice?!!?


And that gets you on my favorites list, something I should have done long ago.
 
2013-03-15 10:14:51 PM

Caffandtranqs: Kids are not asexual.  The instinct is there at birth.  I got a farking 3 year old kind of nephew (it's my boyfriend's nephew) bringing me candy and grass he thinks is just as good as flowers to me with his face flushed as he does it.  Kids just don't think about sexuality the same as adults because the "sex" in sexuality is not there yet.


Bonding =/= Sexuality

In other words, sexuality without the sex, is just plain old bonding.  People seek affection and approval and simple intimacy from everyone, according to their tastes of course, all without sex and through all ages.

If you think a kid giving you grass because he thinks he's giving you flowers is tied to sexuality, you're destined to have a seat over there...
 
2013-03-15 10:15:14 PM
s1.aecdn.com
 
2013-03-15 10:16:00 PM
omeganuepsilon

Answer being "no reason, you did nothing" lets the kid know he's drama queening for absolutely no reason, without beating him over the head with it.

Whoa there sparky, back the fark up. The fear of potentially losing your familial connections, given the (now, thankfully, diminishing) amount of parents who go absolute bonkers when their snowflakes come out, is not what I would call "drama queening for absolutely no reason". I've lived through that agonizing, crippling fear that plagued me from the age of 11, and that mind set that emblazoned on my mind before I even had a grip on the world. This shiat can leave veritable scars.
 
2013-03-15 10:20:51 PM

ambercat: ambercat: ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.

I think because thinking of kids being sexual beings is creepy for some people. Adults (normal adults) are not attracted to children, therefor I think they tend to view them as being asexual since they aren't sexual to them. While some people find it 'cute' when children have crushes on much older children, teens or adults, there's other people like me who have the internal bleeergh reaction when I realized the little boys I was baby sitting climbing into my lap were faaar more interested in my boobs than the girls and the lap sitting and trying to get close to me was not 100% asexual comfort. It was just weird because until then I had thought of young children as asexual and the idea that kids that young were viewing me in any kind of sexual context freaked me out. I don't really know why, but I didn't really like it. I think it's easier for adults just not to think about that at all when they're dealing with kids.

Actually, now that I've gone ahead and posted I realized why I didn't like it. Because I want to be able to hug and pick up small children without worrying I'm giving some 6 year old a baby boner. Course, now that I'm older, I don't think that's likely, but as a teen, it was odd.


Well, that part is physically impossible, so you didn't have that to worry about. Also, it's less "I want to bone her" and more "She's pretty." They have the instincts, but they don't understand the instincts yet.
 
2013-03-15 10:21:23 PM
Yeah, there's no way little kids can have a sexuality.

mmyhasptymouth.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-03-15 10:24:37 PM

omeganuepsilon: Caffandtranqs: Kids are not asexual.  The instinct is there at birth.  I got a farking 3 year old kind of nephew (it's my boyfriend's nephew) bringing me candy and grass he thinks is just as good as flowers to me with his face flushed as he does it.  Kids just don't think about sexuality the same as adults because the "sex" in sexuality is not there yet.

Bonding =/= Sexuality

In other words, sexuality without the sex, is just plain old bonding.  People seek affection and approval and simple intimacy from everyone, according to their tastes of course, all without sex and through all ages.

If you think a kid giving you grass because he thinks he's giving you flowers is tied to sexuality, you're destined to have a seat over there...


I just said to take the sex out.  The kid don't bring anyone else candy and grass, and I'm in a house full of people as this occurs.  My in-laws think it's farking cute because he does not act this way to others.   Simple stuff here.  He will be liking girls in the future.  He just does not see too many right now because he gets taken care of in the home.
 
2013-03-15 10:33:47 PM

ambercat: Actually, now that I've gone ahead and posted I realized why I didn't like it. Because I want to be able to hug and pick up small children without worrying I'm giving some 6 year old a baby boner.


I don't list awesome quotes in my profile, but if I did this'd be one of them.
 
2013-03-15 10:34:46 PM
t0.gstatic.com

"Cap'n, we always knew you were a Whoopsie."
 
2013-03-15 10:37:23 PM

LoneWolf343: ambercat: ambercat: ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.

I think because thinking of kids being sexual beings is creepy for some people. Adults (normal adults) are not attracted to children, therefor I think they tend to view them as being asexual since they aren't sexual to them. While some people find it 'cute' when children have crushes on much older children, teens or adults, there's other people like me who have the internal bleeergh reaction when I realized the little boys I was baby sitting climbing into my lap were faaar more interested in my boobs than the girls and the lap sitting and trying to get close to me was not 100% asexual comfort. It was just weird because until then I had thought of young children as asexual and the idea that kids that young were viewing me in any kind of sexual context freaked me out. I don't really know why, but I didn't really like it. I think it's easier for adults just not to think about that at all when they're dealing with kids.

Actually, now that I've gone ahead and posted I realized why I didn't like it. Because I want to be able to hug and pick up small children without worrying I'm giving some 6 year old a baby boner. Course, now that I'm older, I don't think that's likely, but as a teen, it was odd.

Well, that part is physically impossible, so you didn't have that to worry about. Also, it's less "I want to bone her" and more "She's pretty." They have the instincts, but they don't understand the instincts yet.


I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?
 
2013-03-15 10:40:21 PM

omeganuepsilon: Caffandtranqs: Kids are not asexual.  The instinct is there at birth.  I got a farking 3 year old kind of nephew (it's my boyfriend's nephew) bringing me candy and grass he thinks is just as good as flowers to me with his face flushed as he does it.  Kids just don't think about sexuality the same as adults because the "sex" in sexuality is not there yet.

Bonding =/= Sexuality

In other words, sexuality without the sex, is just plain old bonding.  People seek affection and approval and simple intimacy from everyone, according to their tastes of course, all without sex and through all ages.

If you think a kid giving you grass because he thinks he's giving you flowers is tied to sexuality, you're destined to have a seat over there...


There is no reason the child would not want to forge bonds with the actual sisters-in-law.  He ignores them and can't seem to remebr their names since his birth, but he remembers mine for some reason.  He is a little heterosexual boy who acts out his instincts.  That's all it is.  He will have future crushes on the girls he is finally around and then do etc.
 
2013-03-15 10:49:57 PM

dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.


That's when the "incident" occurred.
 
2013-03-15 10:53:09 PM

Mike Chewbacca: silvervial: BolloxReader: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

I guess I was an odd bird, that was the age I started really noticing women. Of course I didn't actually act on that until high school. And I couldn't have done anything about it at the time anyway.

But yeah some young kids do get urges even if they don't yet know what they mean.

When I was little, I was a complete tomboy and spent most of my time running around, getting dirty, climbing trees, and playing football and soccer with the boys. I hated wearing dresses or skirts or doing my hair and only had dolls I was given, never asked for. I also had a hell of a matchbox car collection that I carried around in a special case.

But I also liked watching Tarzan on TV. The star was Ron Ely, and I thought he was smokin' hot, or however I thought of him with my little-girl vocabulary. I had no idea why I liked watching him run around in the jungle in only his tiny loincloth but boy, did I ever!

So I always knew I was straight, even though I didn't like to do anything that most girls liked to do and had no idea what sex was for many more years after that, but I might have confused my parents...

My sis was a total tomboy. Still is. She's still angry that Mom and Dad refused to buy her "boy's" toys like Transformers and GI Joes and Matchbox cars. But she's totally, 100% straight, and them not buying her the toys she wanted had nothing to do with her heterosexuality.


does she like guns? is she single? *hopefully*
 
2013-03-15 10:53:22 PM
To those saying that you don't know at 6 years old what a child's sexual orientation is, you're wrong.  I'm an elementary teacher and haven't been wrong yet.  Getting to watch these little ones grow, mature, and become their own person is so amazing to get to watch.  It's seriously one of the best perks about teaching.

/and summer vacation
 
2013-03-15 10:59:27 PM
i.imgflip.com
 
2013-03-15 11:05:07 PM

Watubi: Uh, Dad?  Mike isn't gay


goddammit
 
2013-03-15 11:08:18 PM

cynicalbastard: [t0.gstatic.com image 256x192]

"Cap'n, we always knew you were a Whoopsie."


He was fabulous in that role.  Stole the movie IMO.
 
2013-03-15 11:11:35 PM

trappedspirit: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

That's when the "incident" occurred.


I sense dragonchild may need some soft music and a puppet to give us the full story of his childhood.
 
2013-03-15 11:16:45 PM

Mike Chewbacca: I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?


Perhaps unusual, but not impossible. I didn't until I was 11, and I didn't learn until I was much older that I had probably been in the minority there. Might have had something to do with hormone levels, might have been psychological, I don't know for sure - but things all worked out in the end.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-15 11:17:35 PM
Kid:"I'm gay"
Dad:"I know. And you still have to clean out the garage."
Kid:"Fark!"
 
2013-03-15 11:19:30 PM
Ya, it wasn't sexual. It was just a thing. I remember riding my bike to the elementary school so I could give D**** W***** a ride back after football practice. It took me a number of years to realize I had a monster crush on him back in elementary school. He was my first boyfriend. He figured it out and was a little ackward around me. I didn't figure it out and had a mad crush on him.
 
2013-03-15 11:20:23 PM
GoSurfing

Most recent thing I've read (actually, the only thing I've seen beyond anecdotal stuff) is a freshly published paper that suggests sexual orientation has more to do with epigenetics than genetics.  They concluded there wasn't exactly a 'gay gene' but that it had more to do with factors effecting the genotype and expression of genes, likely transgenerational or in utero... I'm not an expert on it, so I didn't fully understand the paper.  Here's a synopsis:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/253971.php

The medical consensus aside from this is that they don't really seem to know the answer to your question on how homosexuality comes about.  There seem to be some genetic markers, but not enough to explain sexual orientation althogether.
 
2013-03-15 11:24:20 PM

Mike Chewbacca: LoneWolf343: ambercat: ambercat: ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?
We are born with our sex and gender.  Some may display their behavorial traits later than others, but we have them in our DNA before we're born.

I think because thinking of kids being sexual beings is creepy for some people. Adults (normal adults) are not attracted to children, therefor I think they tend to view them as being asexual since they aren't sexual to them. While some people find it 'cute' when children have crushes on much older children, teens or adults, there's other people like me who have the internal bleeergh reaction when I realized the little boys I was baby sitting climbing into my lap were faaar more interested in my boobs than the girls and the lap sitting and trying to get close to me was not 100% asexual comfort. It was just weird because until then I had thought of young children as asexual and the idea that kids that young were viewing me in any kind of sexual context freaked me out. I don't really know why, but I didn't really like it. I think it's easier for adults just not to think about that at all when they're dealing with kids.

Actually, now that I've gone ahead and posted I realized why I didn't like it. Because I want to be able to hug and pick up small children without worrying I'm giving some 6 year old a baby boner. Course, now that I'm older, I don't think that's likely, but as a teen, it was odd.

Well, that part is physically impossible, so you didn't have that to worry about. Also, it's less "I want to bone her" and more "She's pretty." They have the instincts, but they don't understand the instincts yet.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?


Please don't make Google it to double-check.
 
2013-03-15 11:28:49 PM
i651.photobucket.com
Big Daddy would've supported Brick's coming out

But there was too much MENDACITY

// Also, Maggie was smokin' hawt
 
2013-03-15 11:32:06 PM
Since we're sharing coming out stories.

A few years ago I suffered a complete mental breakdown. The struggles of living with undiagnosed and untreated OCD eventually became too much for me to keep hidden. I was hospitalized and my marriage fell apart. Eventually I was released from the hospital feeling like I had been completely torn apart. I had lost my sanity, my lively-hood, my wife, and my home. I was now left feeling very much like a newborn. I was in effect rebuilding my life from scratch.

My fear of what was going on in my head and how people would judge me made me hide my mental illness until it almost destroyed me. I had decided that I wouldn't do that any more. I came out of the closet of mental illness and it was liberating. It was now something I owned and could not be used against me.

But I was also now single, my marriage of 24 years was over. This meant I would be dating and building new personal relationships. I thought hard about that. I had regretted not ever coming to terms with the fact that I had a mental disorder before it almost destroyed me. I was now also being given a chance to look again at what else I had kept hidden. The truth is, I have always been more attracted to boys than to girls. Don't get me wrong, girls are hot and all, but for me guys are hotter. It's been that way since as long as I can remember. But like the OCD that was wrecking havoc in my brain, I felt ashamed of those feelings ever since I was a kid. It was easier to just channel my sexuality into what was socially acceptable than it was to live a life true to myself. I had decided if I could come out of the closet of my mental illness and be better for it I should do the same with my sexuality as well. So I did, to my friends.

I didn't come out to my parents though. I had figured I'd wait until I was in a relationship with someone then I'd do it. My stepbrother came out to my Mom and Stepdad though and the next weekend when I went down to visit my Mom took me aside and said "When Steve came out last week he said it was the hardest thing he ever had to do so I just wanted you to know that we know you're gay and we love you. Everyone should be free to be who they are with family".

I am out with everyone now. My friends, my kids, my parents, everyone. Nobody changed their opinion of me. Nobody loved me any less. I am truly fortunate to have lived a life where I have been able to surround myself with people who are so awesome. I wish everyone could be so lucky.
 
2013-03-15 11:36:00 PM

findthefish: [img694.imageshack.us image 642x477]


I see what you did there, Anita.
 
2013-03-15 11:45:44 PM

kpaxoid: Tropicana IS the best mass-produced orange juice in the world.


The smell from the Tropicana factory is the most wonderful smell in the world.

Tropicana-related CSB: When my mom was young, she went to the same church as Anthony Rossi, the guy who started Tropicana. When she was in her early-20s, she was trying to save money to go study in the UK when someone anonymously donated the money for her to go. I'm not sure how, but she found out some years later that it was Mr. Rossi was the one who had given the money. I'm pretty sure that the reason that, unlike my insular tea party relatives, my mom raised us to be the kind of people who weren't afraid of the outside world was because during her formative years she went off and lived outside the US. That's not the kind of opportunity that most children of Pennsylvania dairy farmers--even Pennsylvania dairy farmers who up and moved to Florida in the '60s--get, and it was because of Tropicana.

/end threadjack
 
2013-03-15 11:48:13 PM
I bet the OJ had "Pulp"
 
2013-03-15 11:50:16 PM

theropod: When *I* was six, I saw that poster of "Star Wars", where Luke's shirt is spread open down to his bellybutton, and I remember thinking, "THAT scene wasn't in the movie!"

/yeah, I was gay at six
//eventually I noticed Leia on the poster too


I had a crush on a boy in my kindergarten class. I sat right behind him. The first time I realized how attractive men were was when Footloose came out. I was 9. I didn't actually come out until in was 25 because I was Mormon. I regret coming out so late because college could have been so different.
 
2013-03-15 11:53:07 PM

cyberspacedout: Mike Chewbacca: I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?

Perhaps unusual, but not impossible. I didn't until I was 11, and I didn't learn until I was much older that I had probably been in the minority there. Might have had something to do with hormone levels, might have been psychological, I don't know for sure - but things all worked out in the end.


Not unusual, not impossible. My mother in law is a nurse, so normal body stuff doesn't bother her to talk about, so she's made jokes about both my husband and his brother's discovery of their own body. A few people I've known have been surprised by their boys' arousal. I've known a few mothers who have little girls who get self-aware about their own bodies by 3-5 years old. Its a "touchy" subject to not make them ashamed of their sexuality.
 
2013-03-15 11:58:02 PM
Even if my son did ping my gaydar when he was six, I don't think it would be fair to him to try and make my mind up about his sexuality at that age.  Sexuality is something that grows and evolves, even if there is some innate baseline parameters.  I don't want to box him into something he's not or something that doesn't describe him fully, even if it's in my own mind.
 
2013-03-16 12:10:37 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Acharne: Dr_Gene: Acharne: My parents are lesbians.


If you're a guy and your parents are lesbians, they're not telling you the whole story.

/Y-Chromosome in the woodpile, perhaps?
// NNTAWWT

OK here goes: Mom has always been a lesbian. Once and only once she got drunk and slept with a dude (not sure if it was in a woodpile, but she must have been piled by wood. Y she did that, I don't know). A couple weeks after that she hooked up with a new lady and they fell in love. Shortly after that mom realised she was pregnant with me. Big changes. They agree to raise me together. *BAM* 32 years pass and here we are, in this thread.  There is more to the story but this is Fark and I'm already causing many pairs of pants to stir by simply mentioning a lesbian having sex with a dude once.

My mom got pregnant with me by my dad, and with my half-sister by another guy before she realized she was a lesbian. She's been blissfully dick-free since 1982.


You should really make her a t-shirt with that slogan.
 
2013-03-16 12:12:55 AM

foxy_canuck: GoSurfing

Most recent thing I've read (actually, the only thing I've seen beyond anecdotal stuff) is a freshly published paper that suggests sexual orientation has more to do with epigenetics than genetics.  They concluded there wasn't exactly a 'gay gene' but that it had more to do with factors effecting the genotype and expression of genes, likely transgenerational or in utero... I'm not an expert on it, so I didn't fully understand the paper.  Here's a synopsis:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/253971.php

The medical consensus aside from this is that they don't really seem to know the answer to your question on how homosexuality comes about.  There seem to be some genetic markers, but not enough to explain sexual orientation althogether.


Of course there's not a single "gay gene".  Such a gene would never survive, even as a recessive trait.  That doesn't, and never has, meant gayness is not genetic.

The fact is, very few traits (let alone complex traits like human behavior) follow nice Mendelian dominant/recessive patterns.  Oftentimes a bunch of genes combine to produce a single trait.  Also, a lot of proteins have more than one use in the body, so a single gene can affect several traits.  Given that nearly all human behaviors seem to be influenced by genes in some way, it'd be ridiculous if homosexuality wasn't.  But that doesn't mean there a single gene that if you get R-variant then BAM You're Gay.  It just means certain combinations of genes make someone predisposed to being gay.

Those genes could affect other traits, as well.  For instance (this is hypothetical) a gene variant that makes a male person more likely to be gay might also modify the vocal tract to give them a more lispy voice.  You get a correlation between a lisp and homosexuality, which is then culturally reinforced, and you end up with a stereotype.

It's worth noting that all gregarious animals have a percentage of individuals who don't participate in reproduction; it's too way common not for it to be an evolutionarily advantageous trait for populations.  So there could very well be an evolutionary advantage to producing a percentage of gay humans.

/quiz on monday
 
2013-03-16 12:14:23 AM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: cyberspacedout: Mike Chewbacca: I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?

Perhaps unusual, but not impossible. I didn't until I was 11, and I didn't learn until I was much older that I had probably been in the minority there. Might have had something to do with hormone levels, might have been psychological, I don't know for sure - but things all worked out in the end.

Not unusual, not impossible. My mother in law is a nurse, so normal body stuff doesn't bother her to talk about, so she's made jokes about both my husband and his brother's discovery of their own body. A few people I've known have been surprised by their boys' arousal. I've known a few mothers who have little girls who get self-aware about their own bodies by 3-5 years old. Its a "touchy" subject to not make them ashamed of their sexuality.


Super common, in fact.

Alex, age 2, as his daddy was putting a fresh diaper: "Daddy crush big peepee?" (He was just putting on a diaper, nothing weird)
Jacob age 3, "Mommy, I'm going to go into the bathroom and play with my penis."
Zach, age 3, "Daddy,. sometimes my penis is big and sometimes my penis is small. I like it better when it's big."

Obviously I don't remember being 3, but my friends/family have told me the above anecdotes about their young sons, all in the last 10 years or so. Oh, and regarding Alex, when he was really little (2-ish) my buddy would give him a bath with his best friend's daughter Jessica, who lived next door. They were taking cutesy bathtime photos and ended up having to delete several because Alex had a baby boner. And that was the last time he got to bathe with Jessica.
 
2013-03-16 12:15:03 AM

Talos: Hmmm...this is too obvious. I'm calling fake.


I call fake too.

/// wears the farkH8.com PROUDLY (the videos on that site are freaking AWESOME !!)
// wishes that this was the normal way fathers operated
/ Told my father I was bisexual and he told all my cousins I had HIV, class act asswipe
 
2013-03-16 12:16:36 AM
Xandir: Mommy, daddy, I'm gay

Captain Hero: Well son, I know I speak for the both of us when I say...

Captain Hero & Toot: Uh, DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH!!!!!
 
2013-03-16 12:18:22 AM
Also (stolen from some previous thread).... Of all the things that never happened... This never happened the most.
 
2013-03-16 12:20:32 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Mike Chewbacca: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".

See, there are a lot of religiously influenced groups that would have people believe sexual orientation is a choice (and thus condemnable as sin), but weight of evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) seems to suggest a very different story of human sexual development.

Don't follow the propaganda, follow the evidence.

I don't care who or isn't gay. I just think that we shouldn't be thinking about six years olds sex orientations. Heck six year old kids shouldn't know what sex is.

Oh shut up you prude.

How does that make me a prude? 6 years olds should be innocent.




Feeling attraction towards your peers is perfectly innocent. I was playing Doctor and House with the girl across the street at that age, even had sleepovers where we usually woke up cuddled up on the recliner in the living room.

Most kids do, in fact. Just because they express attraction does not mean they're losing their innocence.
 
2013-03-16 12:34:21 AM
i wish we lived in a world where clergy from coast to coast would be sharing that message of love in this Sunday's sermon. in a good way.
 
2013-03-16 12:36:36 AM
My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??
 
2013-03-16 12:45:03 AM

thisiszombocom: all my parents do is tell me how disappointed they are in me

:'(

/ really


That can be defined as their problem.  You can't control what they say, but you can control how you react. Aka "They can only hurt you if you let them." This is a difficult one to master especially with parents (been there with my Mom.)

/Platitudes, perhaps, but they do work. And I hope you have people in your life who are not disappointed in you at all.
 
2013-03-16 12:49:24 AM

Mike Chewbacca: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: cyberspacedout: Mike Chewbacca: I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?

Perhaps unusual, but not impossible. I didn't until I was 11, and I didn't learn until I was much older that I had probably been in the minority there. Might have had something to do with hormone levels, might have been psychological, I don't know for sure - but things all worked out in the end.

Not unusual, not impossible. My mother in law is a nurse, so normal body stuff doesn't bother her to talk about, so she's made jokes about both my husband and his brother's discovery of their own body. A few people I've known have been surprised by their boys' arousal. I've known a few mothers who have little girls who get self-aware about their own bodies by 3-5 years old. Its a "touchy" subject to not make them ashamed of their sexuality.

Super common, in fact.

Alex, age 2, as his daddy was putting a fresh diaper: "Daddy crush big peepee?" (He was just putting on a diaper, nothing weird)
Jacob age 3, "Mommy, I'm going to go into the bathroom and play with my penis."
Zach, age 3, "Daddy,. sometimes my penis is big and sometimes my penis is small. I like it better when it's big."

Obviously I don't remember being 3, but my friends/family have told me the above anecdotes about their young sons, all in the last 10 years or so. Oh, and regarding Alex, when he was really little (2-ish) my buddy would give him a bath with his best friend's daughter Jessica, who lived next door. They were taking cutesy bathtime photos and ended up having to delete several because Alex had a baby boner. And that was the last time he got to bathe with Jessica.


Yeah, I meant perhaps unusual if it doesn't happen, as in my situation. There was a certain medical history involved, which probably affected certain aspects of my development. So I was surprised but not shocked to learn that others were different in terms of having working equipment at a young age. My generation just didn't talk about it much, so it was just something I heard about every now and then. Like there was one time a teacher at my preschool told my parents that when she changed the kids' diapers, she would occasionally observe them masturbating. And a few years ago, a friend of mine noticed the same with one of his kids at age 2. It's one thing they didn't acknowledge back in sex ed class.
 
2013-03-16 12:50:18 AM

Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??


If I had a 50-50 ratio of "girls" vs. "boys" stuff for a son, I'd assume I needed to teach my son that love and compassion matter most and that we judge people on the content of their character.

I am so happy to live in Seattle, where its OK to be gay. After growing up in a place that intolerance was tolerated, I would not want to raise children there.
 
2013-03-16 12:51:42 AM

Mike Chewbacca: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: cyberspacedout: Mike Chewbacca: I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?

Perhaps unusual, but not impossible. I didn't until I was 11, and I didn't learn until I was much older that I had probably been in the minority there. Might have had something to do with hormone levels, might have been psychological, I don't know for sure - but things all worked out in the end.

Not unusual, not impossible. My mother in law is a nurse, so normal body stuff doesn't bother her to talk about, so she's made jokes about both my husband and his brother's discovery of their own body. A few people I've known have been surprised by their boys' arousal. I've known a few mothers who have little girls who get self-aware about their own bodies by 3-5 years old. Its a "touchy" subject to not make them ashamed of their sexuality.

Super common, in fact.

Alex, age 2, as his daddy was putting a fresh diaper: "Daddy crush big peepee?" (He was just putting on a diaper, nothing weird)
Jacob age 3, "Mommy, I'm going to go into the bathroom and play with my penis."
Zach, age 3, "Daddy,. sometimes my penis is big and sometimes my penis is small. I like it better when it's big."

Obviously I don't remember being 3, but my friends/family have told me the above anecdotes about their young sons, all in the last 10 years or so. Oh, and regarding Alex, when he was really little (2-ish) my buddy would give him a bath with his best friend's daughter Jessica, who lived next door. They were taking cutesy bathtime photos and ended up having to delete several because Alex had a baby boner. And that was the last time he got to bathe with Jessica.


Hahahaha.  The other day I was changing my oldest son's (almost 3) diaper.  He had a boner.  Literally the second that diaper was off he gave it a big whack with his hand and grinned at me and said "HEEHEEHEEHEEEEE."  I seriously almost pissed my pants trying not to laugh too much.

Kids that young don't know anything about sexuality.  But they do know that the donghammer (yes, he knows it's a penis, but he calls it his donghammer.  You're welcome, world.) feels different than other body parts when messed with.
 
2013-03-16 12:57:43 AM
Well, if we're telling stories, I should have known that I was gay a long time ago, but when you grow up in the sort of conservative evangelical circles that are big on abstinence and courtship, you get told to "guard your heart," and that if you're properly spiritual you'll not give away pieces of your heart to people other than the person you marry. And so, my complete lack of attraction to guys was easily explained away in my head as proof that I was just really super spiritual and guarding my heart like I was supposed to. The fact that I was sort of nervous and afraid to talk to certain girls got chalked up to being shy (never mind that I had no such issues with boys), when in retrospect it was really that I had a crush but since I didn't know what a crush was supposed to feel like and was always told it was a feeling you were supposed to have toward the opposite sex I didn't interpret it as what it was. And everybody has a thing for Angelina Jolie. Etc, etc, etc, there were plenty of reasons that I rationalized everything away into neat little boxes that fit with the world I was living in.

Then I moved back from living in Vietnam and was going through major reverse culture shock, didn't know which end was up, had no idea what I wanted to do with myself career-wise, the economy was in the shiatter and I knew if I went back to my old job in retail even for a brief period I'd end up stuck there, and I was basically in a massive tailspin. I'd changed while I was gone, the world had changed around me while I was away, and I found myself questioning everything about my life. During that time, I started realizing that oh, you know what, I'm attracted to women. As soon as I allowed myself to consider that and to acknowledge that reality, things started to make sense. In retrospect, there were all sorts of little things that I'd pushed down or shoved to the back of my brain, but they were always kind of in the corner of my eye and I'd never consciously dealt with them. The toughest part was that I thought I knew myself and here I was figuring something out in my late 20s and I felt like a complete idiot and wondered how this could possibly be true because shouldn't I have known it before then? Oddly though, despite the conservative background, the rightness or wrongness of my attractions was never an issue. The only issue was knowing that I needed to figure out a way to deal with it and come to terms with the way things were and not the way I thought they had been, because staying in the closet for any longer than was absolutely necessary was something went against everything I believe about how to live life honestly. Now, I should probably mention that ever since I was a teenager, I've had this sense that various difficult things that I'd gone through in my life were preparing me to have the strength to deal with something big and difficult farther down the road, so I've been kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop since I was 13 or 14. I don't feel like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop anymore.

I came out to my older brother fairly early on in the process of dealing with everything because I knew he would be supportive and that I needed somebody on my side and ended up coming out to my sister not all that long after. I never had any big coming out moment with my parents though--I was out at law school and something I'd posted in a discussion on a classmate's facebook wall showed up in my mom's newsfeed, which led to a late night email from her. I know it's not exactly been the easiest thing for my parents, but they've been trying hard to understand and be supportive, which is a huge thing coming from the background I'm from. I don't even bother with the tea party relatives though--they're that kind of nice that is clearly the don't-talk-about-the-elephant-in-the-room nice, and they're not worth dealing with. I think the only reason they're not asses about my younger brother's wife being hispanic is that she's the mostly-white looking hispanic and only speaks English, so it's not like I care about their opinions.
 
2013-03-16 12:59:28 AM

Tharkin: Mike Chewbacca: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: cyberspacedout: Mike Chewbacca: I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?

Perhaps unusual, but not impossible. I didn't until I was 11, and I didn't learn until I was much older that I had probably been in the minority there. Might have had something to do with hormone levels, might have been psychological, I don't know for sure - but things all worked out in the end.

Not unusual, not impossible. My mother in law is a nurse, so normal body stuff doesn't bother her to talk about, so she's made jokes about both my husband and his brother's discovery of their own body. A few people I've known have been surprised by their boys' arousal. I've known a few mothers who have little girls who get self-aware about their own bodies by 3-5 years old. Its a "touchy" subject to not make them ashamed of their sexuality.

Super common, in fact.

Alex, age 2, as his daddy was putting a fresh diaper: "Daddy crush big peepee?" (He was just putting on a diaper, nothing weird)
Jacob age 3, "Mommy, I'm going to go into the bathroom and play with my penis."
Zach, age 3, "Daddy,. sometimes my penis is big and sometimes my penis is small. I like it better when it's big."

Obviously I don't remember being 3, but my friends/family have told me the above anecdotes about their young sons, all in the last 10 years or so. Oh, and regarding Alex, when he was really little (2-ish) my buddy would give him a bath with his best friend's daughter Jessica, who lived next door. They were taking cutesy bathtime photos and ended up having to delete several because Alex had a baby boner. And that was the last time he got to bathe with Jessica.

Hahahaha.  The other day I was changing my oldest son's (almost 3) diaper.  He had a boner.  Literally the second that diaper was off he gave it a big whack with his hand and grinned at me and said "HEEHEEHEEHEEEEE."  I seriously almost pissed my pants trying not to laugh too much.

Kids that youn ...




As a mum of 2 boys, watch the shampoo bottles. Those little farkers will stick it in anything.
 
2013-03-16 01:00:24 AM
Donghammer.

Cheesus H. Rice. My stomach hurts from trying laugh during a very serious movie my husband is watching.

I am going to be the worst parent ever. I almost peed my pants laughing when my best friend's daughter said, "that's f***ing bull s***" about an over-tightened car seat strap. She's only 2.5 years old. I let my dog lick my nephew's face.

/Thank you, for raising that kid.
 
2013-03-16 01:08:38 AM

sleeps in trees: As a mum of 2 boys, watch the shampoo bottles. Those little farkers will stick it in anything.


I remember a kid telling me his younger brother had done that. Then when I was older, I remember finding out the effects of shampoo on certain parts. Your kids will learn not to do that.
 
2013-03-16 01:11:16 AM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: I almost peed my pants laughing when my best friend's daughter said, "that's f***ing bull s***" about an over-tightened car seat strap.


I effing *heart* that shiat. Little sponges doing the 'From you dad, I learned it from you' behaviour to shocked parents. The only problem is you can't then go to the friend "See? I told you that you behaved like that sometimes, if you're kid is doing it, it lends evidence now doesn't it?"

That ends poorly.

♪♫/Life lessons♪♫♫♫♪
 
2013-03-16 01:14:36 AM

Acharne: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: I almost peed my pants laughing when my best friend's daughter said, "that's f***ing bull s***" about an over-tightened car seat strap.

I effing *heart* that shiat. Little sponges doing the 'From you dad, I learned it from you' behaviour to shocked parents. The only problem is you can't then go to the friend "See? I told you that you behaved like that sometimes, if you're kid is doing it, it lends evidence now doesn't it?"

That ends poorly.

♪♫/Life lessons♪♫♫♫♪


My best friend said, "Ava, what did you say?" and she repeated herself, and so she replied, "Ava, that's not a real word, you shouldn't use that anymore."

I cannot wait until Ava tells her daddy that its not a real word and scolds him, because its going to be priceless when he gets uppity about the 2.5 year old child telling him what is/is not a real word. I already told my friend, this is going to be a problem.
 
2013-03-16 01:15:39 AM

cyberspacedout: sleeps in trees: As a mum of 2 boys, watch the shampoo bottles. Those little farkers will stick it in anything.

I remember a kid telling me his younger brother had done that. Then when I was older, I remember finding out the effects of shampoo on certain parts. Your kids will learn not to do that.




Baby shampoo. No effect on them, looks like urine. Trust me, first hand golden shower experience. I have a special place in my cold dark heart for the two of them.
 
2013-03-16 01:21:10 AM

Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??


He's going to be an awesome kid no matter who he loves?

/amiright?
 
2013-03-16 01:30:19 AM
Better than my mom's "So, it's not like I never slept with a woman before!?" to my "duh, mom, I'm bi, and this is my girlfriend."

Which is great, until everyone is sharing their coming out story and no one understands that your parents really didn't give a flying fart...no, srsly.

But, nothing like eavesdropping on your kid and undercutting their emotional stuff and turning something they want to work through into a cute note...might not have been important to the parents, but I bet it was to the kid.

/My mom *also* claimed to know since I was a first grader...of course, when I was 16 I listened to her telling her bi friend I didn't like boys OR girls. I think I was dating one of each at the time.
 
2013-03-16 01:34:06 AM

GoSurfing: Not to be a douche, but I've heard it different from gay people...and it's just an honest question:

Nature or nature? Are you born gay, or do you become gay?

/I'm curious. From a scientific standpoint, not a "that thing/person/experience" must have made you gay.


Nature according to my Aunt, age 72. She and her partner have been together 45 years.  She said she knew from a young age she was "different." She tried to go the traditional route and got engaged like a girl raised in the 50's ought to. She didn't go through with it. All the homophobia and the lack of partner's rights has had her tell me, "Why would anybody choose this?"

/Love my Aunts no matter who they love <3
 
2013-03-16 01:38:08 AM

ReverendJasen: Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this myth that children are all asexual and non-gendered?


Fear of legitimizing pedophilia and the arguments of pedophiles/pedophile apologists that people under the legal age of consent can be sexual beings who can make their own sexual choices.
 
2013-03-16 01:38:14 AM

pivazena: Lumbar Puncture: Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.

I don't know how I'd feel in that situation.  If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated?  Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me.  Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something.  Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.

I've never really thought about that before.  Hmm.


It's called "adolescence". A lot of things that a are a really big deal to kids are "Yeah, okay. Grab me soda will ya?" to adults.

 They forget how many zillion times their parents have already seen this. Sure it's the first time for them and so it's novel and a really big deal. Just like it was for their parents the first time it happened to them too. But now it's like the 58th millionth time and is treated accordingly.

/for normal people anyway.
 
2013-03-16 01:38:21 AM

StranahansBarracuda: GoSurfing: Not to be a douche, but I've heard it different from gay people...and it's just an honest question:

Nature or nature? Are you born gay, or do you become gay?

/I'm curious. From a scientific standpoint, not a "that thing/person/experience" must have made you gay.

Nature according to my Aunt, age 72. She and her partner have been together 45 years.  She said she knew from a young age she was "different." She tried to go the traditional route and got engaged like a girl raised in the 50's ought to. She didn't go through with it. All the homophobia and the lack of partner's rights has had her tell me, "Why would anybody choose this?"

/Love my Aunts no matter who they love <3


My mom's uncle has a similar story. He got engaged, tried to do the normal stuff after he got out of the Navy, but in the end, he realized he was not going to have a normal life, even if he pretended. He and his partner were together over 30 years. The lack of partner rights was a very huge issue for them, since the retired to a rural area that was extremely intolerant and backward. They ended up on a cruise when his partner passed. I don't know for sure, but it feels intentional that they were isolated in that way when his partner was so ill...
 
2013-03-16 01:42:48 AM
For all the people in this thread claiming "eavesdropping" I don't know about you, but the average set of walls in a house/apartment are not exactly sound proof. And teenage boys have a tendency to have loud, carrying voices and are *terrible* at moderating them.

 Stop trying to blame the dad for not be farking deaf in his own house!

/must have a lot of young farks in here or something today.
 
2013-03-16 01:48:26 AM

cuzsis: For all the people in this thread claiming "eavesdropping" I don't know about you, but the average set of walls in a house/apartment are not exactly sound proof. And teenage boys have a tendency to have loud, carrying voices and are *terrible* at moderating them.

 Stop trying to blame the dad for not be farking deaf in his own house!

/must have a lot of young farks in here or something today.


It's not the fact of the eavesdropping. Generally just being polite requires that you at least *pretend* to not overhear people's emotional crap. I pretty much hear everything my kid (he's about to be 21) says, but I'm not enough of a jerk to go around commenting on it.

/Except to mention that maybe he should bring it down a notch to keep it private on occasion.
 
2013-03-16 01:49:14 AM

susansto-helit: ExperianScaresCthulhu: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

You raise a good point.  Exactly what did he mean by 'I knew you were gay since you were 6'?  There are some places that goes, which aren't (uhm) heartwarming or positive.

RTFT?


Comment was on the first page.  That was my reaction to the comment and to the headline.  There's a slippery slope going on, there, with saying one 'knows' someone is gay since whenever.  Can lead to nasty stereotyping, and nasty consequences, relating to traditional gender roles and what happens when a kid 'switches it up' as a .. well, kid.  Saying you know someone is gay because they like the color pink or saying someone is lesbian because they like softball.

'Did you hear the rumor about Michael?
Some say he must be gay.
I try to argue but they said if he was straight
He wouldn't walk that way....'


That kind of shiat. You know?  That's a slippery slope to go down, not heartwarming, just slippery.  To me at any rate.
 
2013-03-16 02:07:37 AM

LabGrrl: Better than my mom's "So, it's not like I never slept with a woman before!?" to my "duh, mom, I'm bi, and this is my girlfriend."

Which is great, until everyone is sharing their coming out story and no one understands that your parents really didn't give a flying fart...no, srsly.

But, nothing like eavesdropping on your kid and undercutting their emotional stuff and turning something they want to work through into a cute note...might not have been important to the parents, but I bet it was to the kid.

/My mom *also* claimed to know since I was a first grader...of course, when I was 16 I listened to her telling her bi friend I didn't like boys OR girls. I think I was dating one of each at the time.


You know sometimes it doesn't go that well, and I doubt all the ones that had it bad can be here posting their stories.
But I agree the note sounds wrong and I'm thinking it's not real but if so it was maybe sorta wrong but the alternative can be so much worse.
 
2013-03-16 02:10:23 AM

cuzsis: pivazena: Lumbar Puncture: Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.

I don't know how I'd feel in that situation.  If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated?  Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me.  Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something.  Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.

I've never really thought about that before.  Hmm.

It's called "adolescence". A lot of things that a are a really big deal to kids are "Yeah, okay. Grab me soda will ya?" to adults.

 They forget how many zillion times their parents have already seen this. Sure it's the first time for them and so it's novel and a really big deal. Just like it was for their parents the first time it happened to them too. But now it's like the 58th millionth time and is treated accordingly.

/for normal people anyway.


For most things, what you're saying is true, but not when we're talking about coming out. There's a reason why coming out is so hard, and it's not because teenagers are dramatic and think that it's going to be a big deal for parents, it's because an awful lot of parents react badly. You never know whether your seemingly-tolerant parents are going to flip out when it's  their kid who turns out to be the gay one, and even tolerant parents often have a hard time with it because they have to accept that the life they imagined for their kid isn't the one that their kid is going to have. The reason this thing went viral is because it's so rare that parents react in such a nonplussed way. A lot of times the kid has to take the role of the parent and act like the grownup when they come out while the parents struggle to adjust to the reality.
 
2013-03-16 02:12:26 AM

sleeps in trees: Baby shampoo. No effect on them, looks like urine. Trust me, first hand golden shower experience. I have a special place in my cold dark heart for the two of them.


Ah, right. Now I'm remembering when I started using the non-baby stuff in my hair, and when I got it in my eye it stung like a biatch. Shampoo, I mean. Not urine.
 
2013-03-16 02:16:36 AM
Well... this thread is like one big coming out party

That's cool.

I took a gay man out to the rifle range once. When we got back I was delighted that I'd convinced him that he, as a member of a historically oppressed minority, ought to be right there on the front lines of defending the 2nd amendment. Showed him my favorite tri-tip roast shack and then offered to show him how to clean the rifles back at my place.

Yeah, you can see where this is going. Boy I was a naive 23 year old guy. A few cigarettes and some break-free oilings in, he confesses that he's just had the biggest crush on me since we started talking...

So he was only interested in my guns because of my body :(
 
2013-03-16 02:17:52 AM
Six-year-olds do not naturally have a sexual orientation.

That aside, good on him for not being a douche, though the note's kinda passive-aggressive and sarcastic about it so that might lose him some points depending how seriously his son wants him to take it.

//Albeit, given my family, my kids will basically have to confess to time-travel and genocide in the same paragraph to get much more than this from me.

rynthetyn: For most things, what you're saying is true, but not when we're talking about coming out. There's a reason why coming out is so hard, and it's not because teenagers are dramatic and think that it's going to be a big deal for parents, it's because an awful lot of parents react badly.


Nah, most of the time it's because teenagers are being overly dramatic.  If your parents would react badly to this and you didn't know it well in advance then what the fark have you been doing sharing a roof with these people for 15+ years and not ever talking to them about anything?

Kids expecting a big confrontation and not getting it is far more frequent than the other way around.  Not that the other way around doesn't happen, but it's extremely rare.  Primarily because most parents _do_ have a pretty bloody good notion of what their kid is up to in their teen years (i.e. "the stupid years") and would have confronted them about it long before they 'came out' were it an issue.  Homosexuality isn't some deep mystery that's alien to parental experience these days, they... can pretty much tell.
 
2013-03-16 02:31:42 AM

sleeps in trees: Tharkin: Mike Chewbacca: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: cyberspacedout: Mike Chewbacca: I'm sorry, but did you just say that little boys can't get erections?

Perhaps unusual, but not impossible. I didn't until I was 11, and I didn't learn until I was much older that I had probably been in the minority there. Might have had something to do with hormone levels, might have been psychological, I don't know for sure - but things all worked out in the end.

Not unusual, not impossible. My mother in law is a nurse, so normal body stuff doesn't bother her to talk about, so she's made jokes about both my husband and his brother's discovery of their own body. A few people I've known have been surprised by their boys' arousal. I've known a few mothers who have little girls who get self-aware about their own bodies by 3-5 years old. Its a "touchy" subject to not make them ashamed of their sexuality.

Super common, in fact.

Alex, age 2, as his daddy was putting a fresh diaper: "Daddy crush big peepee?" (He was just putting on a diaper, nothing weird)
Jacob age 3, "Mommy, I'm going to go into the bathroom and play with my penis."
Zach, age 3, "Daddy,. sometimes my penis is big and sometimes my penis is small. I like it better when it's big."

Obviously I don't remember being 3, but my friends/family have told me the above anecdotes about their young sons, all in the last 10 years or so. Oh, and regarding Alex, when he was really little (2-ish) my buddy would give him a bath with his best friend's daughter Jessica, who lived next door. They were taking cutesy bathtime photos and ended up having to delete several because Alex had a baby boner. And that was the last time he got to bathe with Jessica.

Hahahaha.  The other day I was changing my oldest son's (almost 3) diaper.  He had a boner.  Literally the second that diaper was off he gave it a big whack with his hand and grinned at me and said "HEEHEEHEEHEEEEE."  I seriously almost pissed my pants trying not to laugh too much.

Kids ...


Kids are hilarious!!! And that's why they can't vote.
 
2013-03-16 02:42:09 AM

Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??


Your son is a lesbian.
 
2013-03-16 02:43:49 AM

duenor: Well... this thread is like one big coming out party

That's cool.

I took a gay man out to the rifle range once. When we got back I was delighted that I'd convinced him that he, as a member of a historically oppressed minority, ought to be right there on the front lines of defending the 2nd amendment. Showed him my favorite tri-tip roast shack and then offered to show him how to clean the rifles back at my place.

Yeah, you can see where this is going. Boy I was a naive 23 year old guy. A few cigarettes and some break-free oilings in, he confesses that he's just had the biggest crush on me since we started talking...

So he was only interested in my guns because of my body :(


Gay men, as a demographic, do tend to be especially interested in cleaning other men's rifles. I'm sure he was also quite intrigued by the possibility of finding out the caliber of your concealed carry pistol.
 
2013-03-16 02:49:52 AM

duenor: Well... this thread is like one big coming out party

That's cool.

I took a gay man out to the rifle range once. When we got back I was delighted that I'd convinced him that he, as a member of a historically oppressed minority, ought to be right there on the front lines of defending the 2nd amendment. Showed him my favorite tri-tip roast shack and then offered to show him how to clean the rifles back at my place.

Yeah, you can see where this is going. Boy I was a naive 23 year old guy. A few cigarettes and some break-free oilings in, he confesses that he's just had the biggest crush on me since we started talking...

So he was only interested in my guns because of my body :(


So was the sex good?
: )
 
2013-03-16 02:51:00 AM

LoneWolf343: Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??

Your son is a lesbian.


Heh, you laugh now but...
 
2013-03-16 02:59:33 AM

Jim_Callahan: Six-year-olds do not naturally have a sexual orientation.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2013-03-16 03:03:32 AM

Caffandtranqs: He will be liking girls in the future.


OR he ends up gay and likes to hang out with and be sweet to certain females.

Caffandtranqs: He is a little heterosexual boy who acts out his instincts.  That's all it is.  He will have future crushes on the girls he is finally around and then do etc.


Flagrant misuse of the jump to conclusions mat.

Also, I like how you are obsessed enough to reply twice to adamantly state how heterosexual the little boy is.

It could be he just ...drumroll... has taken a liking to you in a nonsexual way(without the sex).  Hard to imagine, I know.

Are you nice?  Are you not-hideous?  Maybe he likes the way you smell, or the candy you bring, or a million other things that a billions of other people arbitrarily decide that's what they like.  It's normal in a social society such as most humans experience.

You making it into a sexuality(without the sex) issue, and doing so adamantly, is worrying.  I don't think you should be around kids much, and never without supervision.
 
2013-03-16 03:03:54 AM

Ed Grubermann: Jim_Callahan: Six-year-olds do not naturally have a sexual orientation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


It is cute when they believe things like that isn't it?
 
2013-03-16 03:36:00 AM

LoneWolf343: Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??

Your son is a lesbian.


Au contraire.
Tinkerbell is farking hawt. He's at least 75% straight.

/ Pulp, No pup just isnt an issue in the 21st century any more.  Only the people who like extra Calcium are sick in the head. I didnt order a chalk juice.
 
2013-03-16 04:09:06 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: LoneWolf343: Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??

Your son is a lesbian.

Heh, you laugh now but...


Hey, my favorite things was I was little were construction equipment (backhoes, bulldozers, etc) and fairies.

So, in fact, your son is likely to grow up to be a bisexual woman.
 
2013-03-16 04:27:30 AM

rynthetyn: cuzsis: pivazena: Lumbar Puncture: Same thing happened to my friend but in person.  He told his mom and she said 'Ok, now pass the salad'.

I don't know how I'd feel in that situation.  If it took a massive amount of courage to tell my parents about my sexual orientation and they were all cool-dismissive, like "yeah we totes knew about it anyway," I feel... deflated?  Like this was a big huge deal to me and my parents don't care about hard even coming out was for me.  Of course, that'd be way preferential to a knock-down drag-out fight and them kicking me out of the house. I think I'd at least want a hug or something.  Not a "we feel sorry for you" hug, but a "we know that was hard for you to say" hug.

I've never really thought about that before.  Hmm.

It's called "adolescence". A lot of things that a are a really big deal to kids are "Yeah, okay. Grab me soda will ya?" to adults.

 They forget how many zillion times their parents have already seen this. Sure it's the first time for them and so it's novel and a really big deal. Just like it was for their parents the first time it happened to them too. But now it's like the 58th millionth time and is treated accordingly.

/for normal people anyway.

For most things, what you're saying is true, but not when we're talking about coming out. There's a reason why coming out is so hard, and it's not because teenagers are dramatic and think that it's going to be a big deal for parents, it's because an awful lot of parents react badly. You never know whether your seemingly-tolerant parents are going to flip out when it's  their kid who turns out to be the gay one, and even tolerant parents often have a hard time with it because they have to accept that the life they imagined for their kid isn't the one that their kid is going to have. The reason this thing went viral is because it's so rare that parents react in such a nonplussed way. A lot of times the kid has to take the role of the parent and act like the grownup when t ...


I'm still surprised to find out that Cher admitted to having a hard time dealing with Chastity coming out as a lesbian, while her conservative father Sonny was completely cool with it. I mean, Cher of all people? This is a woman who dated a gay guy (David Geffin) and is worshiped by gay men and imitated by drag queens around the world, and she's couldn't deal with her daughter being a lesbian? Blew my mind.

Then Cher completely plotzed when Chastity transitioned to Chaz, while his stepfather Greg Allman (a redneck dude from the conservative south) was totally chill about it. Now my mind has collapsed into a black hole.

(To be fair to Cher, she eventually got over it and fully supports Chaz now)
 
2013-03-16 04:39:34 AM

Anderson's Pooper: This space intentionally left blank.: It's a choice, but it doesn't make it at all right that his old man turned his back on him like that.

I never said it was.  Of course neither of us has met the woman in question so maybe there's some basis for it.

And perhaps we should both check our sarcasm meters.


Fair enough. I think Fark needs a sarcasm font.
 
2013-03-16 04:42:32 AM

This space intentionally left blank.: Anderson's Pooper: This space intentionally left blank.: It's a choice, but it doesn't make it at all right that his old man turned his back on him like that.

I never said it was.  Of course neither of us has met the woman in question so maybe there's some basis for it.

And perhaps we should both check our sarcasm meters.

Fair enough. I think Fark needs a sarcasm font.


I'd have to say she was one of the kindest, most decent people I ever had the pleasure of meeting. Which to me made what our father did even worse.
 
2013-03-16 04:54:31 AM

ambercat: tinfoil-hat maggie: LoneWolf343: Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??

Your son is a lesbian.

Heh, you laugh now but...

Hey, my favorite things was I was little were construction equipment (backhoes, bulldozers, etc) and fairies.

So, in fact, your son is likely to grow up to be a bisexual woman.


We should totally hang out and play together, yea that was my sandbox for sure and bonus, I really know how to run backhoes, bobcat's and bulldozers. Granted it's been many, many moons since then but...
 
2013-03-16 05:10:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ambercat: tinfoil-hat maggie: LoneWolf343: Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??

Your son is a lesbian.

Heh, you laugh now but...

Hey, my favorite things was I was little were construction equipment (backhoes, bulldozers, etc) and fairies.

So, in fact, your son is likely to grow up to be a bisexual woman.

We should totally hang out and play together, yea that was my sandbox for sure and bonus, I really know how to run backhoes, bobcat's and bulldozers. Granted it's been many, many moons since then but...


Yeah, that was my sandbox too. My parents bought all of the Tonka construction toys for my older brother, and since those things are indestructible, the same ones got passed down to me, then to my sister, and then to my little brother, and I think my mom has them stashed away somewhere because they'll survive the nuclear apocalypse.
 
2013-03-16 05:19:06 AM

rynthetyn: tinfoil-hat maggie: ambercat: tinfoil-hat maggie: LoneWolf343: Tharkin: My oldest son is almost 3.  His current interests are, in order:

Race cars (Lightning McQueen!!!!1)
Semi trucks
Sophia the First (he knows all the songs)
Tinkerbell

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!??

Your son is a lesbian.

Heh, you laugh now but...

Hey, my favorite things was I was little were construction equipment (backhoes, bulldozers, etc) and fairies.

So, in fact, your son is likely to grow up to be a bisexual woman.

We should totally hang out and play together, yea that was my sandbox for sure and bonus, I really know how to run backhoes, bobcat's and bulldozers. Granted it's been many, many moons since then but...

Yeah, that was my sandbox too. My parents bought all of the Tonka construction toys for my older brother, and since those things are indestructible, the same ones got passed down to me, then to my sister, and then to my little brother, and I think my mom has them stashed away somewhere because they'll survive the nuclear apocalypse.


Heh, yea those Tonka toys would survive just about anything. I grew up with two brothers and not many kids in the neighborhoods we lived in so I mostly played with them, if I wanted company.
 
2013-03-16 05:32:40 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: I'm still surprised to find out that Cher admitted to having a hard time dealing with Chastity coming out as a lesbian, while her conservative father Sonny was completely cool with it. I mean, Cher of all people? This is a woman who dated a gay guy (David Geffin) and is worshiped by gay men and imitated by drag queens around the world, and she's couldn't deal with her daughter being a lesbian? Blew my mind.

Then Cher completely plotzed when Chastity transitioned to Chaz, while his stepfather Greg Allman (a redneck dude from the conservative south) was totally chill about it. Now my mind has collapsed into a black hole.

(To be fair to Cher, she eventually got over it and fully supports Chaz now)


Yeah, given how much Cher owes her career to gay men buying her music, that she had a hard time with it was surprising. Though, it's different when it's your kid rather than other people's kids, and I imagine that finding out that your daughter is actually your son is probably something that takes getting used to no matter how theoretically cool with the concept you may be.
 
2013-03-16 06:01:27 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I grew up with two brothers


EWWWW you grew up with breeders

// takes tongue out of cheek (ow that went deep)
/ sorry could not resist hehehe
 
2013-03-16 07:57:02 AM

kpaxoid: Tropicana IS the best mass-produced orange juice in the world.


faithandfamilyreviews.com

Here, try some real orange juice.
 
2013-03-16 08:36:10 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".


No, it really isn't.  That's about the age you can start to tell in just a couple of minutes.  They don't 'act gay' or anything, you can just tell from voice, facial features and disposition, without knowing anything else about the kid, that he's "different."
 
2013-03-16 08:55:24 AM
To those who are against gay people, get over it. It`s just sucking dicks and licking clits.

To those gay people who think they are better than other people because of their sexuality, get over it. It`s just sucking dicks and licking clits.

To those who want to educate people on EXACTLY what goes on behind the closed door of their bedroom, get over it. It`s just sucking dicks and licking clits. Also we don`t care what holes you put it into or what you put into your holes. It`s not that special that we need to know.

To those who want MORE labels for people to  be restricted into, get over it. Do what you like, chop yourself about however you want, we don`t need to know. Its just making and then sucking dick substitutes and licking clit replacements.

/dnrtt
 
2013-03-16 09:01:22 AM

XveryYpettyZ: Mid_mo_mad_man: Agent Smiths Laugh: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why would any dad think his son is gay at six? Kids are asexual at that age

This thread has already provided anecdotal evidence to refute your baseless claim, but I'll add mine.

By six I was already getting caught hiding lingerie catalogs with scantily clad women under the bed. Of course they were found. My parents just smiled at me and said, "It's because of the boobs isn't it?"
All I could do was admit that, yeah, I like boobs. They didn't scold me or anything, just told me to stop swiping mom's magazines.

By seven I had already looked up sex in an encyclopedia and knew what all the fuss was about, and why women gave me boners.

Suffice to say when my folks decided it was time for "the talk", they weren't terribly surprised that they weren't telling me anything I didn't already know.

I didn't notice girls to much later myself. I just think its odd to look at a 6 year old and think "yep he's gay".

No, it really isn't.  That's about the age you can start to tell in just a couple of minutes.  They don't 'act gay' or anything, you can just tell from voice, facial features and disposition, without knowing anything else about the kid, that he's "different."


Some kids are `different` at that age because they are the autistic spectrum. It would cause much potential
trouble for those young people to be treated as gay if they were not.

`Different` is not always gay.

Also do you subscribe to phrenology monthly?

facial features=`you have a gay face`
"Your head has the bumps of a lunatic"
 
2013-03-16 09:02:18 AM

dready zim: Some kids are `different` at that age because they are ON the autistic spectrum.


FTFM
 
2013-03-16 09:02:53 AM
P.S. Dad of the year
 
2013-03-16 09:29:14 AM
idsgn.org
 
2013-03-16 10:08:51 AM

Kaenneth: SpeedyBB: dragonchild: SIX???  What's there to know about a six-year-old's sexual orientation?  When I was six I was. . . well. . . six!  I was years away from my cooties phase, let alone being attracted to anyone.

Well this reminds me of Latin American culture - mucho macho naturally - where you will see adults appraise a six-year old and remark "Ese nino es joto" ("That kid's a queer").

It is usually said, from what I've observed, with a mixture of disapproval and pity - most of all for the parents - but also with finality. Which I found interesting: it's there and no amount of football or beatings or hormone therapy or electroshock or Jeebus-screeching is going to change it.

Well, there is always the burlap sack and river solution...

Nothing like humble clothes, and a fresh baptism before sending them off to live in a monastery with all those catholic monks.

A vow of silence means no telling.


Well actually I did not mean to suggest any expression of violence. Effeminate men are pretty much despised in Latin culture but tolerated. Does that make sense? There is also an element of DADT, from what I've observed. It depends on the country as well. Chile considers itself very 'European' but they're homophobic bastids. Argentina is the country of men's men, macho-gaucho, but is also advancing quickly toward GLBT equality. Brazil's a bit of everything.

Also drag queens tend to be tough, to survive. They carry knives and fight with no regard for their personal safety. Sort of like a suicide bomber. Therefore most he-men will point and snicker but tend to keep their distance.

If you want to see a place where nobody gives a shiat go to Thailand. You'll stand out as a farang but your sexual orientation is regarded with puzzled amusement, if the subject happens to come up. 'What, him? He likes boys? Crazy foreigner."
 
2013-03-16 10:32:57 AM
dready zim:
facial features=`you have a gay face`

I have a gay face. I can't for the life of me keep dicks out of it.
 
2013-03-16 11:21:47 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: duenor: Well... this thread is like one big coming out party

So was the sex good?
: )


Didn't do the deed, but I gotta say.... this gay man was one persistent guy who had the raunchiest, dirtiest thoughts ever. Basically suggested five different types of porn all rolled into one, with him being the star attraction.

I remember thinking, this is like my fantasy date.... except that I've got this dude with a big grin staring up at me. at one point he literally crawled across the floor to try to bury his face in my crotch. and because I didn't know how to react, I kept trying to redirect him back to the proper firearms cleaning procedures... which he had basically no interest in by that point...

he had this great line .. "your d*** won't know the difference" lol
 
2013-03-16 11:40:19 AM

Acharne: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: I almost peed my pants laughing when my best friend's daughter said, "that's f***ing bull s***" about an over-tightened car seat strap.

I effing *heart* that shiat. Little sponges doing the 'From you dad, I learned it from you' behaviour to shocked parents. The only problem is you can't then go to the friend "See? I told you that you behaved like that sometimes, if you're kid is doing it, it lends evidence now doesn't it?"

That ends poorly.

♪♫/Life lessons♪♫♫♫♪


"My dad worked in swears like some artists work in oils. But I couldn't tell my mom that I heard it from my old man."
 
2013-03-16 11:48:10 AM

rynthetyn: FuryOfFirestorm: I'm still surprised to find out that Cher admitted to having a hard time dealing with Chastity coming out as a lesbian, while her conservative father Sonny was completely cool with it. I mean, Cher of all people? This is a woman who dated a gay guy (David Geffin) and is worshiped by gay men and imitated by drag queens around the world, and she's couldn't deal with her daughter being a lesbian? Blew my mind.

Then Cher completely plotzed when Chastity transitioned to Chaz, while his stepfather Greg Allman (a redneck dude from the conservative south) was totally chill about it. Now my mind has collapsed into a black hole.

(To be fair to Cher, she eventually got over it and fully supports Chaz now)

Yeah, given how much Cher owes her career to gay men buying her music, that she had a hard time with it was surprising. Though, it's different when it's your kid rather than other people's kids, and I imagine that finding out that your daughter is actually your son is probably something that takes getting used to no matter how theoretically cool with the concept you may be.


Definitely shows you shouldn't put people in round holes when it come to their politics. And yes, making money off other people tends to make it easier.

Think of the closet bigots who talk about interracial relationships, then crap their pants when their child comes home with someone of a different race.
 
2013-03-16 12:03:14 PM

Ghastly: dready zim:
facial features=`you have a gay face`

I have a gay face. I can't for the life of me keep dicks out of it.


Have you tried wearing one of those Hannibal Lecter masks?
 
2013-03-16 12:18:54 PM
Where's the fail tag for dad? He raised a homersexual.

/fake, like my post.
 
2013-03-16 11:48:54 PM
Yeah, that's about how I'd handle it too.
 
2013-03-17 03:13:44 PM

StranahansBarracuda: That can be defined as their problem.  You can't control what they say, but you can control how you react. Aka "They can only hurt you if you let them." This is a difficult one to master especially with parents (been there with my Mom.)


Probably the best psychiatrist you can read to understand this is Dr. William Glasser.

/Choice theory and reality therapy make so much sense to me, for some reason.
 
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