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(The Big Story)   U.S. last week: "We're not concerned about a nuclear threat from North Korea." U.S. this week: "Uhh, let's add some interceptors along the west coast. You know, just in case"   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 199
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2013-03-15 03:35:57 PM
Huh. Well then.
 
2013-03-15 03:49:42 PM
I'm not even remotely sold on the notion that North Korea has an ICBM deployable warhead.

Three possibly fizzled underground tests aren't real convincing.

So I'm guessing this is more for public consumption than anything practical.
 
2013-03-15 03:53:19 PM

kmmontandon: I'm not even remotely sold on the notion that North Korea has an ICBM deployable warhead.

Three possibly fizzled underground tests aren't real convincing.

So I'm guessing this is more for public consumption than anything practical.


While I don't disagree that it's more for show than anything else, their underground tests did not fizzle.
 
2013-03-15 03:53:37 PM
I'm not particularly worried that Best Korea is going to actually do something that stupid -- they know they'd get annihilated from all fronts (including China) if they actually launched something.

However, the US is probably smart not to get caught with its pants down in terms of defense. Give Best Korea the idea that launching something would be completely stupid AND do no actual damage.
 
2013-03-15 04:06:02 PM

kmmontandon: I'm not even remotely sold on the notion that North Korea has an ICBM deployable warhead.

Three possibly fizzled underground tests aren't real convincing.

So I'm guessing this is more for public consumption than anything practical.


I think there is zero chance they have a deployable warhead and I question whether they have a missile that could reach us even without a warhead.

That being said, it isn't completely impossible that they do.
 
2013-03-15 04:20:24 PM
Better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them.
 
2013-03-15 04:30:59 PM

GAT_00: kmmontandon: I'm not even remotely sold on the notion that North Korea has an ICBM deployable warhead.

Three possibly fizzled underground tests aren't real convincing.

So I'm guessing this is more for public consumption than anything practical.

I think there is zero chance they have a deployable warhead and I question whether they have a missile that could reach us even without a warhead.

That being said, it isn't completely impossible that they do.


Forget the US. What of Japan? Or SoKo?
 
2013-03-15 04:34:40 PM

kmmontandon: I'm not even remotely sold on the notion that North Korea has an ICBM deployable warhead.

Three possibly fizzled underground tests aren't real convincing.

So I'm guessing this is more for public consumption than anything practical.


They do have a really big trebuchet, bigger if you factor in their Photoshopping.
 
2013-03-15 04:47:04 PM
Sounds more like someone in the US needed another scoop from the pork barrel.
 
2013-03-15 04:56:19 PM

make me some tea: While I don't disagree that it's more for show than anything else, their underground tests did not fizzle.


No, they just proved North Korea has reached 1938, and can build a crude Teller-Ullam Triggered Device.

The NK test reached a yield of 5-7kT. For comparison, Trinity shot was 20kT.

GAT_00: I think there is zero chance they have a deployable warhead and I question whether they have a missile that could reach us even without a warhead.

That being said, it isn't completely impossible that they do.


The only active missile platforms in use right now by North Korea that could possibly deliver a nuclear payload are based on the SCUD B and D system, which has a range of ~300KM or so. The only thing Japan MIGHT have to worry about is the MRBM that they built off of the SCUD-B platform, the Rodong-1, which has a range of 900KM, but the accuracy (worse than that of the infamously inaccurate SCUD) and ability of the Rodong-1 is quesitonable in and of itsself.

The taepodong-1 and taepodong-2 ICBM platforms have failed, notoriously and hilariously, every time they have been launched in a military test.
 
2013-03-15 04:57:52 PM
I'd rather the military re-think their position than save face and do nothing.
 
2013-03-15 04:58:23 PM
www.nypost.com

"Whoa!  Did someone just say 'interceptions'?  Daddy likey!"
 
2013-03-15 04:59:25 PM
I like how all the liberals have finally STFU about missile defense. It's a good thing we ignored your assholes and funded it anyway eh?
 
2013-03-15 05:01:19 PM
The Chinese would love to find someone else to do their first striking for them.

/on second thought, who would buy their melamine-laced dog food and milk?
 
2013-03-15 05:02:30 PM
Sounds like some senators figured out a way to get some pork under the guise of protecting the west coast from North Korea.
 
2013-03-15 05:02:58 PM
Ahh, North Korea, dominating Fark headlines is your real power.
 
2013-03-15 05:04:18 PM

JeffDenver: I like how all the liberals have finally STFU about missile defense. It's a good thing we ignored your assholes and funded it anyway eh?


Ignoring the fact that North Korea doesn't have a viable nuclear warhead, or the fact that the North doesn't have a delivery platform that can reach the United States to begin with?
 
Skr
2013-03-15 05:04:52 PM
In this case I'd rather them fire one off at the U.S. and have it intercepted/crash into the ocean, than have them fire one off at the easier hit S. Korea or Japan.
 
2013-03-15 05:05:16 PM
Best Korea is like viagra for US Military.
 
2013-03-15 05:06:03 PM

hardinparamedic: No, they just proved North Korea has reached 1938, and can build a crude Teller-Ullam Triggered Device.

The NK test reached a yield of 5-7kT. For comparison, Trinity shot was 20kT.


While it's puny in comparison to what's out there, it's still plenty enough to fark some shiat up, though.
 
2013-03-15 05:06:50 PM
That clinches it for me... I'm not making my farking mortgage payment anymore, it's obviously armageddon.
 
2013-03-15 05:07:06 PM

make me some tea: While it's puny in comparison to what's out there, it's still plenty enough to fark some shiat up, though.


phillbarron.files.wordpress.com

You still have to have a way to get it somewhere, and to militarize the design.
 
2013-03-15 05:07:40 PM

JeffDenver: I like how all the liberals have finally STFU about missile defense. It's a good thing we ignored your assholes and funded it anyway eh?


Really? That's the Friday afternoon troll? Ugh....
 
2013-03-15 05:08:16 PM

Skr: In this case I'd rather them fire one off at the U.S. and have it intercepted/crash into the ocean, than have them fire one off at the easier hit S. Korea or Japan.


That's what I was thinking. The more ocean a NorK missile crosses, the more likely it is to splash.
 
2013-03-15 05:09:05 PM

hardinparamedic: Ignoring the fact that North Korea doesn't have a viable nuclear warhead, or the fact that the North doesn't have a delivery platform that can reach the United States to begin with?


And if they don't have it right this minute, that must mean it is impossible they can ever get it in the future. Developing nukes must have been the exception to the rule. Your brilliant logic has convinced me.
 
2013-03-15 05:09:10 PM
1) You never say they got you scared. You're the White House, you stay positive (remember W and the corner)
2) Find the SOB that leaked this and throw him in a deep dark pit. (Giving weapon deployment or troop movements is treason)
 
2013-03-15 05:09:14 PM
totally digging their guidance systems
www.globalpost.com

/i just realized that i've eaten more north korean food than the north koreans.
 
2013-03-15 05:09:14 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-15 05:09:24 PM
Which is why the USAF is continuing their launch of SBIRS GEO 2 on Tuesday.
 
2013-03-15 05:09:35 PM
FTFA: Miller noted that last December, North Korea launched a satellite into space, demonstrating its mastery of some of the same technologies required for development of an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Mastery?  That's a bit of a stretch.  Chucking something into the air as hard as you can isn't the same as throwing the winning touchdown pass.
 
2013-03-15 05:10:35 PM
Zealous overreaction to something that's completely Kim Jong Un-related.
 
2013-03-15 05:10:55 PM
Considering how much money we spend on defense, why not take precautions?
 
2013-03-15 05:11:12 PM

JeffDenver: I like how all the liberals have finally STFU about missile defense. It's a good thing we ignored your assholes and funded it anyway eh?


You're ignoring assholes? That is SO un-Republican.
 
2013-03-15 05:12:14 PM
I'm not particularly worried that Best Korea is going to actually do something that stupid -- they know they'd get annihilated from all fronts (including China) if they actually launched something.

Not so fast there...

Any retaliatory strike on North Korea by the US would be, in effect, a strike on China. It doesn't take a political strategist to see how that would get out of control PDQ.
 
2013-03-15 05:12:27 PM
I hope the various militaries around the world aren't like power companies are.

The last major venting--I believe it was when the meltdown at Chernobyl--lots of power companies around the world vented their systems. Hey, how you gonna prove it was us? It was the French reactor!

I'm wondering if one goes off...
 
2013-03-15 05:12:48 PM
We should beef up against North Korea. Their bulgogi is delicious.


www.trifood.com
 
2013-03-15 05:13:05 PM
Seems possible to me that the "we're not worried" and the "because we've got these here interceptors" could actually be part of the same sentence. I don't feel like this is worth an elevated heartbeat.
 
2013-03-15 05:13:39 PM

JeffDenver: I like how all the liberals have finally STFU about missile defense. It's a good thing we ignored your assholes and funded it anyway eh?


Never ignore a liberal's asshole sir.
 
2013-03-15 05:13:47 PM
Lining the coast with beef is not going to help.
 
2013-03-15 05:14:28 PM
Can someone please send Dennis Rodman back there to help quell the tension some more?
 
2013-03-15 05:14:34 PM

Nadie_AZ: GAT_00: kmmontandon: I'm not even remotely sold on the notion that North Korea has an ICBM deployable warhead.

Three possibly fizzled underground tests aren't real convincing.

So I'm guessing this is more for public consumption than anything practical.

I think there is zero chance they have a deployable warhead and I question whether they have a missile that could reach us even without a warhead.

That being said, it isn't completely impossible that they do.

Forget the US. What of Japan? Or SoKo?


What about them? They have their own (American made) interceptors. They deployed them as recently as last December.

Besides. IIRC the US military presence isn't exactly... welcome, in Japan. Let them watch out for themselves.
 
2013-03-15 05:15:03 PM

mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 400x317]


I liked thermal damage, blast effects and ionizing radiation before they were cool.
 
2013-03-15 05:15:53 PM

vernonFL: We should beef up against North Korea. Their bulgogi is delicious.


[www.trifood.com image 271x223]


Not so much when it's made of poop-picked corn kernels and dust.
 
2013-03-15 05:16:34 PM

echomike23: /i just realized that i've eaten more north korean food than the north koreans.



In one sitting
 
2013-03-15 05:16:34 PM
the Secretary of Defense wetting his pants over a non-issue like this makes me embarrassed to be an American.
 
2013-03-15 05:16:54 PM

Donnchadha: I'm not particularly worried that Best Korea is going to actually do something that stupid -- they know they'd get annihilated from all fronts (including China) if they actually launched something.

However, the US is probably smart not to get caught with its pants down in terms of defense. Give Best Korea the idea that launching something would be completely stupid AND do no actual damage.


Kim Jong IL knew that. We don't know about Kim Jong UN.
 
2013-03-15 05:17:12 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: The Chinese would love to find someone else to do their first striking for them.

/on second thought, who would buy their melamine-laced dog food and milk?


Suppose China gave them a long range weapon, they send it our way, China. Says OMG, turns Best Korea into glass. China gets info on our defenses.

Tin foil hat off.....
 
2013-03-15 05:17:26 PM

vernonFL: We should beef up against North Korea. Their bulgogi is delicious.


What North Korean could ever afford bulgogi, save for the military and government elite? Even then, that's a stretch.
 
2013-03-15 05:17:49 PM
It's pretty clear that the North doesn't have a suitable warhead for deployment on an ICBM, nor do they likely have an ICBM that could reliably hit the western US. But, given the following:

--A crazy, near-suicidal despot has declared he will nuke the US.
--His country has demonstrated nuclear weapons.
--Said country has demonstrated rocket technology that makes reaching the US at least plausible, if unlikely.
--We have already sunk the money into developing and testing a long range intercepter....

Then I think it's reasonable to beef up those defenses just a bit to be on the safe side. If they decide to go for it and launch 3-4 missiles towards the west coast I don't want to be sitting around saying "you know, our intelligence says they don't have a nuclear warhead that will fit on that sucker, and it's probably going to crash anyway."
 
m00
2013-03-15 05:18:22 PM
I hope I bookmarked the fark thread where I called that this blatant scare-mongering will happen, to further justify the military industrial complex in the absence of any real military threats.
 
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