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2013-03-15 04:15:52 PM
3 votes:
The NRA is to guns
as
PETA is to animals

I love animals and guns, and I wouldn't be a member of either of these whacky organizations.
2013-03-15 04:04:20 PM
2 votes:

stevenboof: JesseL: For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.

Did the same thing happen during Korea or Vietnam or Iraq 1 or 2?  It's almost like we learned from our past mistakes.  You see, there are many people in this world that can admit to making a mistake and do their best to make sure they don't do it again. Most people don't double down on the stupid when they know they were/are wrong. Most people...


Thank you for making my point. What we've learned is that when the government starts making lists of people, they tend to do ugly things with them. We've learned that those lists are easily abused and that they're generally best not made at all. When they must be made (and it should take a damned good reason) they need tight controls to prevent their abuse. Even if you support what the current administration will do with them, consider what the next administration might do differently.

The idea of the government putting together a list of citizens who have chosen to exercise a constitutionally protected right should give the chills to anyone with an ounce of respect for liberty.
2013-03-15 04:01:55 PM
2 votes:
Neo-cons i need some clarity because the derp is getting pretty deep.

Is the government so poorly organized it can't do anything right or is it so powerful that at any moment it will overrun our society and turn us all into Orwellian slaves?

It seems to me that it could be one, or the other, or neither but not both.
2013-03-15 03:25:14 PM
2 votes:
God, this guy is such an a-hole. Stop being such p*ssys, everybody. No one wants your guns. You are free to keep dreaming of the day you get to kill someone.
2013-03-15 09:07:29 PM
1 votes:

mutterfark: Assume that the US government decided to confiscate all civilian owned firearms. Let's even grant you the full cooperation of every law enforcement agency in the country and an up-to-date national database. What are the odds of success?
Difficulty: Without igniting civil war.

/psst, they're not coming for your guns




I don't think thats the real concern in most states today. As you suggest, broad gun ownership prevents outright confiscation.

I'd be more worried about long term efforts to dissuade new gun owners by amping up the difficulty to own and grandfathering an increasing number of weapons out of production.
There will be less to buy and it will be harder and more expensive to legally get it. You'll be harassed by the government for what you own and insulted by the press for talking about it.
Keep that up for a generation or two and it will lower the number of gun owners to a point where confiscation isn't as difficult to sell. The criminals will still own guns and kill, probably more violently than now, so you'll always have a demand that something be done.

We've already got a generation that's forgotten about the power of protest and allows itself to be stuffed into free speech zones. It lets the government rummage through our personal data like nothing is wrong, and throw people in jail indefinitely with no questions asked.

Eliminating a right is easier than many think. It just takes time and persistence.
2013-03-15 04:48:52 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: The Southern Dandy: I forgot that I'm not supposed to mention that every gun in Switzerland is registered.

I rather doubt that's true. I'm sure even Switzerland has some criminals (whether it's simply by violating the malum prohibitum rule about registration, or because they're the sort of criminals that actually have victims) with unregistered guns.


Actually, the number of unregistered guns in Europe is something like 2 to 4 times the number of legally registered ones, and I imagine that Switzerland is no different.
2013-03-15 04:19:03 PM
1 votes:
You know who else compiled a list of all owners of firearms; and then proceeded to confiscate said firearms?

He even gave every member of a certain chosen people a special star to wear; so everyone would know that they were special.
2013-03-15 04:14:14 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: stevenboof: JesseL: For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.

Did the same thing happen during Korea or Vietnam or Iraq 1 or 2?  It's almost like we learned from our past mistakes.  You see, there are many people in this world that can admit to making a mistake and do their best to make sure they don't do it again. Most people don't double down on the stupid when they know they were/are wrong. Most people...

Thank you for making my point. What we've learned is that when the government starts making lists of people, they tend to do ugly things with them. We've learned that those lists are easily abused and that they're generally best not made at all. When they must be made (and it should take a damned good reason) they need tight controls to prevent their abuse. Even if you support what the current administration will do with them, consider what the next administration might do differently.

The idea of the government putting together a list of citizens who have chosen to exercise a constitutionally protected right should give the chills to anyone with an ounce of respect for liberty.


What do you think registering to vote is?
2013-03-15 04:05:31 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: Artisan Sandwich: I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything.

Neither can I. So why are people in such a pants-shiatting panic over gun owners?


Probably because more than a handful of us gun owners are responsible for more American deaths on American soil in the last 40 years than terrorism.  Responsible for more American deaths on American soil since 9/10/01 than terrorism.  Their fear is based on reality, recent and almost daily reality, not a straight up fictional fantasy of LaPierre.
2013-03-15 03:54:28 PM
1 votes:

stevenboof: JesseL: It's sad when a large portion of the country wants to mock a civil rights organization though.

Can you cite anything that says the NRA is a civil rights organization?


Shouldn't it be pretty self-evident that an organization that works so hard to maintain one of the liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights is a civil rights organization?
2013-03-15 03:54:24 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.


Did the same thing happen during Korea or Vietnam or Iraq 1 or 2?  It's almost like we learned from our past mistakes.  You see, there are many people in this world that can admit to making a mistake and do their best to make sure they don't do it again. Most people don't double down on the stupid when they know they were/are wrong. Most people...
2013-03-15 03:51:39 PM
1 votes:
static.someecards.com
2013-03-15 03:45:49 PM
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Does anyone take these cries for attention seriously anymore?


You don't feel like the mood and intent of 4 million gun-toting people whom you don't agree with is something to keep an eye on?
2013-03-15 03:44:36 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: Artisan Sandwich: I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything.

Neither can I. So why are people in such a pants-shiatting panic over gun owners?


Are we? Was the motivation for requiring car owners to register their cars because we were in a pants-shiatting panic over car owners?
2013-03-15 03:44:27 PM
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?


Considering how much their membership has grown in the last few months, I'd say yes.

It's sad when a large portion of the country wants to mock a civil rights organization though.
2013-03-15 03:37:32 PM
1 votes:
I can only assume that his muddled point was that the Mexican government, facing an influx of guns that helps to fuel the ongoing drug war, many of which come illegally from the United States, might like to know who is providing them.

However, I don't know what he thinks they could do about it besides complain to the U.S. government to try for an arrest or go after the person if they ever actually go to Mexico. And in either case it would be about targeting gun-runners and their suppliers which already happens. I'm also not quite sure why the Chinese would give a shiat about any such list. It seems like grabbing that would just be noise they'd have to throw out.

Or maybe he's just nuts. I'm starting to think he might have completely lost it at some point in the last ten years because he sure has proven himself to be utterly unhinged recently.
2013-03-15 03:35:09 PM
1 votes:
You have to give it to the NRA - they're constantly feeding this ridiculous persecution complex gun nuts have, filling their members with fear, and making members PAY THEM for the privilege, all while actually representing gun manufacturers' interests. Not a bad racket.
2013-03-15 03:33:18 PM
1 votes:
All Hail the Sino-Mexican Army!.

Let loose the Xolosquintles of War!

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2013-03-15 03:27:23 PM
1 votes:
The author of TFA is evidently unaware that Mexico has requested a civilian gun registry for all the border states.

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2013/429151/6/congreso-mexicano- pe dira-a-eu-impulsar-registro-balistico.htm
2013-03-15 03:19:53 PM
1 votes:
Intentional spanglish?  Los?  ?QUE?
 
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