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2013-03-15 03:19:53 PM  
Intentional spanglish?  Los?  ?QUE?
 
2013-03-15 03:22:06 PM  
They're coming to take our guns and our jerbs and give us Ameros.
 
2013-03-15 03:22:19 PM  
Not a repeat from 1917.
 
2013-03-15 03:24:22 PM  
Wow, that author is more retarded than Wayne-O.
 
2013-03-15 03:25:14 PM  
God, this guy is such an a-hole. Stop being such p*ssys, everybody. No one wants your guns. You are free to keep dreaming of the day you get to kill someone.
 
2013-03-15 03:26:12 PM  
Thank god this is happening at the hellscape that is National Harbor, and not in DC proper. We don't need additional douchebags descending upon this town-we have more than enough.
 
2013-03-15 03:26:20 PM  
Shouldn't that be El Worvelines, subby?


/I am a bad, bad man.
 
Bf+
2013-03-15 03:26:20 PM  
Yes.  Chinese, Mexicans, and gang-banger hackers want to steal a list of all gun owners so they can attack them.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-15 03:27:23 PM  
The author of TFA is evidently unaware that Mexico has requested a civilian gun registry for all the border states.

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2013/429151/6/congreso-mexicano- pe dira-a-eu-impulsar-registro-balistico.htm
 
2013-03-15 03:27:55 PM  
I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything. Waynes World.
 
2013-03-15 03:30:48 PM  
los glotones bienen por nuestras armas carajo!  esconden su cuerno de chivo!
 
2013-03-15 03:31:45 PM  
It will be nice when we get a Republican back in the White House. They will be going door to door arming the citizens. They just better not redistribute guns taken from the mentally unstable. That be communism.
 
2013-03-15 03:32:10 PM  
That's how they do you know...

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-15 03:32:12 PM  
Why would foreign governments care? I don't know, but Mexico's prior requests for the information make it pretty obvious that they DO care.
 
2013-03-15 03:32:39 PM  
What's the point of registering lawful gun owners anyway? So newspapers can print those names and addresses for criminals and gangs to access? So that list can be hacked by foreign entities like the Chinese, who recently hacked Pentagon computers? So that list can be handed over to the Mexican government that, oh by the way, has already requested it.

The article is a bit overboard. But he's clearly not stable.
 
2013-03-15 03:33:18 PM  
All Hail the Sino-Mexican Army!.

Let loose the Xolosquintles of War!

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-15 03:33:33 PM  
Coming for our guns? Haven't you paid attention to the news in the last few years man, we're selling them to them already.
 
2013-03-15 03:33:37 PM  
"El Wolverines" is Spanish for "The Wolverines."

/¿qué?
 
2013-03-15 03:33:41 PM  

JesseL: The author of TFA is evidently unaware that Mexico has requested a civilian gun registry for all the border states.

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2013/429151/6/congreso-mexicano- pe dira-a-eu-impulsar-registro-balistico.htm


And Iran and North Korea have asked the US and UN to not sanction them anymore.  Just because a country asks for something, doesn't mean they are going to get it.
 
2013-03-15 03:33:55 PM  
Is snark ever going to be done with? It does nothing.
 
2013-03-15 03:35:09 PM  
You have to give it to the NRA - they're constantly feeding this ridiculous persecution complex gun nuts have, filling their members with fear, and making members PAY THEM for the privilege, all while actually representing gun manufacturers' interests. Not a bad racket.
 
2013-03-15 03:35:40 PM  

Mensan: Why would foreign governments care? I don't know, but Mexico's prior requests for the information make it pretty obvious that they DO care.


Because we funnel asstons of guns to Mexico, and they'd prefer it not happen anymore.
 
2013-03-15 03:36:22 PM  

stevenboof: JesseL: The author of TFA is evidently unaware that Mexico has requested a civilian gun registry for all the border states.

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2013/429151/6/congreso-mexicano- pe dira-a-eu-impulsar-registro-balistico.htm

And Iran and North Korea have asked the US and UN to not sanction them anymore.  Just because a country asks for something, doesn't mean they are going to get it.


Yup. Besides, what's the farking point to have the names?.
 
2013-03-15 03:37:32 PM  
I can only assume that his muddled point was that the Mexican government, facing an influx of guns that helps to fuel the ongoing drug war, many of which come illegally from the United States, might like to know who is providing them.

However, I don't know what he thinks they could do about it besides complain to the U.S. government to try for an arrest or go after the person if they ever actually go to Mexico. And in either case it would be about targeting gun-runners and their suppliers which already happens. I'm also not quite sure why the Chinese would give a shiat about any such list. It seems like grabbing that would just be noise they'd have to throw out.

Or maybe he's just nuts. I'm starting to think he might have completely lost it at some point in the last ten years because he sure has proven himself to be utterly unhinged recently.
 
2013-03-15 03:38:15 PM  

Cagey B: Mensan: Why would foreign governments care? I don't know, but Mexico's prior requests for the information make it pretty obvious that they DO care.

Because we funnel asstons of guns to Mexico, and they'd prefer it not happen anymore.


Yes, but it's done illegally, through the gun shows, or smuggling.
 
2013-03-15 03:38:18 PM  
That sounds pretty cool.  Red Dawn is one of the funniest movies I've seen.  The only thing that would be better is if you told me that background checks would be just like "Cobra" or "Raw Deal".
 
2013-03-15 03:38:48 PM  

JesseL: The author of TFA is evidently unaware that Mexico has requested a civilian gun registry for all the border states.

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2013/429151/6/congreso-mexicano- pe dira-a-eu-impulsar-registro-balistico.htm


So the author calls LaPierre paranoid for stating that the Mexicans want the gun owner registry when the Mexican in fact want the gun owner registry. Am I to take any of this article seriously?
Red Dawn!!!!
 
2013-03-15 03:40:05 PM  

Artisan Sandwich: I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything.


Neither can I. So why are people in such a pants-shiatting panic over gun owners?
 
2013-03-15 03:40:10 PM  

Bartle J.: You have to give it to the NRA - they're constantly feeding this ridiculous persecution complex gun nuts have, filling their members with fear, and making members PAY THEM for the privilege, all while actually representing gun manufacturers' interests. Not a bad racket.


Oh snap.  What things can we create looming confiscations of in order to drive sales?

Knives and swords have got to be in there.  If I were a nunchuck maker I'd be talking about this all day.
 
2013-03-15 03:41:58 PM  
Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Does anyone take these cries for attention seriously anymore?
 
2013-03-15 03:43:17 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Does anyone take these cries for attention seriously anymore?


I wouldn't laugh at someone that stockpiles/masturbates furiously to/gets paid by the manufacturers of guns.
 
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2013-03-15 03:43:53 PM  
Dey terk er jerbs gerns!
 
2013-03-15 03:44:27 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?


Considering how much their membership has grown in the last few months, I'd say yes.

It's sad when a large portion of the country wants to mock a civil rights organization though.
 
2013-03-15 03:44:36 PM  

JesseL: Artisan Sandwich: I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything.

Neither can I. So why are people in such a pants-shiatting panic over gun owners?


Are we? Was the motivation for requiring car owners to register their cars because we were in a pants-shiatting panic over car owners?
 
2013-03-15 03:45:28 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Does anyone take these cries for attention seriously anymore?


i would say at least 49% of Americans do. And something like 75% of Farkers, unfortunately.
 
2013-03-15 03:45:49 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Does anyone take these cries for attention seriously anymore?


You don't feel like the mood and intent of 4 million gun-toting people whom you don't agree with is something to keep an eye on?
 
2013-03-15 03:47:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Bartle J.: You have to give it to the NRA - they're constantly feeding this ridiculous persecution complex gun nuts have, filling their members with fear, and making members PAY THEM for the privilege, all while actually representing gun manufacturers' interests. Not a bad racket.

Oh snap.  What things can we create looming confiscations of in order to drive sales?

Knives and swords have got to be in there.  If I were a nunchuck maker I'd be talking about this all day.


It has to be something this demographic cares deeply about, so I'm thinking cheeseburgers, Coors Light, and American flag lapel pins.
 
2013-03-15 03:48:20 PM  

JesseL: It's sad when a large portion of the country wants to mock a civil rights organization though.


Can you cite anything that says the NRA is a civil rights organization?
 
2013-03-15 03:49:46 PM  

Arkanaut: JesseL: Artisan Sandwich: I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything.

Neither can I. So why are people in such a pants-shiatting panic over gun owners?

Are we? Was the motivation for requiring car owners to register their cars because we were in a pants-shiatting panic over car owners?


I think that was more about revenue. Incidentally, cars not operated on public roads don't need to be registered.

For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.
 
2013-03-15 03:51:39 PM  
static.someecards.com
 
2013-03-15 03:52:05 PM  
www.carolinashootersclub.com

/obscure?
 
2013-03-15 03:54:24 PM  

JesseL: For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.


Did the same thing happen during Korea or Vietnam or Iraq 1 or 2?  It's almost like we learned from our past mistakes.  You see, there are many people in this world that can admit to making a mistake and do their best to make sure they don't do it again. Most people don't double down on the stupid when they know they were/are wrong. Most people...
 
2013-03-15 03:54:28 PM  

stevenboof: JesseL: It's sad when a large portion of the country wants to mock a civil rights organization though.

Can you cite anything that says the NRA is a civil rights organization?


Shouldn't it be pretty self-evident that an organization that works so hard to maintain one of the liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights is a civil rights organization?
 
2013-03-15 03:56:13 PM  

JesseL: Can you cite anything that says the NRA is a civil rights organization?

Shouldn't it be pretty self-evident that an organization that works so hard to maintain one of the liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights is a civil rights organization?


So, no?
 
2013-03-15 03:58:47 PM  

JesseL: Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Considering how much their membership has grown in the last few months, I'd say yes.

It's sad when a large portion of the country wants to mock a civil rights organization though.


equal opportunity, we laugh and mock at the ALCU, The rainbow coalition, the NAACP, whatever org the Sharpton runs, and anyone with stupid ideas.

we do not mock the rights, but the idea that you need fear and idiotic propaganda.
 
2013-03-15 04:01:29 PM  
I am in over my head trying to outtroll the likes of LaPierre.  I really can't bring anything to the table more disconnected from reality than what he is.
 
2013-03-15 04:01:55 PM  
Neo-cons i need some clarity because the derp is getting pretty deep.

Is the government so poorly organized it can't do anything right or is it so powerful that at any moment it will overrun our society and turn us all into Orwellian slaves?

It seems to me that it could be one, or the other, or neither but not both.
 
2013-03-15 04:02:55 PM  

SlothB77: I am in over my head trying to outtroll the likes of LaPierre.  I really can't bring anything to the table more disconnected from reality than what he is.


Indeed, if you wrote him into your novel as a character, your editor would say, "Tone it down with this guy, he's unbelievable and distracting."
 
2013-03-15 04:03:06 PM  

DubtodaIll: Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Does anyone take these cries for attention seriously anymore?

You don't feel like the mood and intent of 4 million gun-toting people whom you don't agree with is something to keep an eye on?


I'm willing to think that the majority of those members really just wish LaPierre would go away.
 
2013-03-15 04:04:20 PM  

stevenboof: JesseL: For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.

Did the same thing happen during Korea or Vietnam or Iraq 1 or 2?  It's almost like we learned from our past mistakes.  You see, there are many people in this world that can admit to making a mistake and do their best to make sure they don't do it again. Most people don't double down on the stupid when they know they were/are wrong. Most people...


Thank you for making my point. What we've learned is that when the government starts making lists of people, they tend to do ugly things with them. We've learned that those lists are easily abused and that they're generally best not made at all. When they must be made (and it should take a damned good reason) they need tight controls to prevent their abuse. Even if you support what the current administration will do with them, consider what the next administration might do differently.

The idea of the government putting together a list of citizens who have chosen to exercise a constitutionally protected right should give the chills to anyone with an ounce of respect for liberty.
 
2013-03-15 04:05:31 PM  

JesseL: Artisan Sandwich: I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything.

Neither can I. So why are people in such a pants-shiatting panic over gun owners?


Probably because more than a handful of us gun owners are responsible for more American deaths on American soil in the last 40 years than terrorism.  Responsible for more American deaths on American soil since 9/10/01 than terrorism.  Their fear is based on reality, recent and almost daily reality, not a straight up fictional fantasy of LaPierre.
 
2013-03-15 04:07:18 PM  

SlothB77: I am in over my head trying to outtroll the likes of LaPierre.  I really can't bring anything to the table more disconnected from reality than what he is.


adaptershack.com
 
2013-03-15 04:08:40 PM  

JesseL: Thank you for making my point. What we've learned is that when the government starts making lists of people, they tend to do ugly things with them


You gave one example of a government doing nasty things with a list, I provided four examples of them not doing it.  That does not make your point that they TEND to do ugly things with them.  It shows the exactly opposite of it.

JesseL: The idea of the government putting together a list of citizens who have chosen to exercise a constitutionally protected right should give the chills to anyone with an ounce of respect for liberty.


Are you familiar with Argumentum ad populum?  You seem to enjoy it.
 
2013-03-15 04:08:57 PM  

aremmes: "El Wolverines" is Spanish for "The Wolverines."

/¿qué?


Es mierda de toro.
 
2013-03-15 04:11:09 PM  

Bartle J.: You have to give it to the NRA - they're constantly feeding this ridiculous persecution complex gun nuts have, filling their members with fear, and making members PAY THEM for the privilege, all while actually representing gun manufacturers' interests. Not a bad racket.


I honestly do not understand this man. I am as pro boomstick as you can get (Arm ALL criminals, they will sort each other out within days and all that) but this dude is really becoming a caricature of all things wrong with the pro 2nd amendment crowd.
 
2013-03-15 04:11:36 PM  

stevenboof: JesseL: Can you cite anything that says the NRA is a civil rights organization?

Shouldn't it be pretty self-evident that an organization that works so hard to maintain one of the liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights is a civil rights organization?

So, no?


It's not clear to me if you're honestly stupid or intentionally obtuse.  Here's the NRA's homepage: http://home.nra.org/.  Right there is a link to their Civil Rights Defense Fund.  Googling for "NRA" and "civil rights" shows numerous references to the NRA being a civil rights organization.
 
2013-03-15 04:14:14 PM  

JesseL: stevenboof: JesseL: For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.

Did the same thing happen during Korea or Vietnam or Iraq 1 or 2?  It's almost like we learned from our past mistakes.  You see, there are many people in this world that can admit to making a mistake and do their best to make sure they don't do it again. Most people don't double down on the stupid when they know they were/are wrong. Most people...

Thank you for making my point. What we've learned is that when the government starts making lists of people, they tend to do ugly things with them. We've learned that those lists are easily abused and that they're generally best not made at all. When they must be made (and it should take a damned good reason) they need tight controls to prevent their abuse. Even if you support what the current administration will do with them, consider what the next administration might do differently.

The idea of the government putting together a list of citizens who have chosen to exercise a constitutionally protected right should give the chills to anyone with an ounce of respect for liberty.


What do you think registering to vote is?
 
2013-03-15 04:15:52 PM  
The NRA is to guns
as
PETA is to animals

I love animals and guns, and I wouldn't be a member of either of these whacky organizations.
 
2013-03-15 04:17:07 PM  

calbert: [www.carolinashootersclub.com image 361x480]

/obscure?


Ponyboy?
 
2013-03-15 04:18:28 PM  

rkettens: What do you think registering to vote is?


Historically speaking, a way of disenfranchising undesirables.
 
2013-03-15 04:18:29 PM  

LaughingRadish: Googling for "NRA" and "civil rights" shows numerous references to the NRA being a civil rights organization.


All of those claims are made by the NRA, not others.  I can claim that I am the second coming of Christ, but that doesn't make it true.
 
2013-03-15 04:19:03 PM  
You know who else compiled a list of all owners of firearms; and then proceeded to confiscate said firearms?

He even gave every member of a certain chosen people a special star to wear; so everyone would know that they were special.
 
2013-03-15 04:21:28 PM  

The Southern Dandy: The NRA is to guns
as
PETA is to animals


Yea, but PETA at least puts hot eye candy on street corners to protest.

Ain't nobody at the NRA you want to see emulating that.
 
2013-03-15 04:21:47 PM  

JesseL: Artisan Sandwich: I can't imagine living in such constant pants-shiatting fear of everything.

Neither can I. So why are people in such a pants-shiatting panic over gun owners?


I would include those in my first remark. Fear is so corrosive, eats at reason.
 
2013-03-15 04:21:50 PM  

DubtodaIll: Is snark ever going to be done with? It does nothing.


Not until it's pried from my cold dead hands
 
2013-03-15 04:22:17 PM  

iheartscotch: You know who else compiled a list of all owners of firearms; and then proceeded to confiscate said firearms?

He even gave every member of a certain chosen people a special star to wear; so everyone would know that they were special.


The Swiss?  Ooops.  Not them.  I forgot, I'm only supposed to bring up the Swiss and guns when I claim that an armed nation is a safe nation.  I forgot that I'm not supposed to mention that every gun in Switzerland is registered.
 
2013-03-15 04:22:51 PM  

iheartscotch: You know who else compiled a list of all owners of firearms; and then proceeded to confiscate said firearms?

He even gave every member of a certain chosen people a special star to wear; so everyone would know that they were special.


Glenn Beck like typing detected
 
2013-03-15 04:23:27 PM  

stevenboof: LaughingRadish: Googling for "NRA" and "civil rights" shows numerous references to the NRA being a civil rights organization.

All of those claims are made by the NRA, not others.  I can claim that I am the second coming of Christ, but that doesn't make it true.


Have you got some authority you can appeal to regarding what constitutes a civil rights organization (or the second coming of Christ for that matter)?

Hell, if someone tells me he's the second coming of Christ I'll happily agree with him. I can't prove he's wrong and I can't think of a reason why I would bother trying.
 
2013-03-15 04:26:47 PM  

The Southern Dandy: I forgot that I'm not supposed to mention that every gun in Switzerland is registered.


I rather doubt that's true. I'm sure even Switzerland has some criminals (whether it's simply by violating the malum prohibitum rule about registration, or because they're the sort of criminals that actually have victims) with unregistered guns.
 
2013-03-15 04:30:00 PM  

skozlaw: The Southern Dandy: The NRA is to guns
as
PETA is to animals

Yea, but PETA at least puts hot eye candy on street corners to protest.

Ain't nobody at the NRA you want to see emulating that.


Susan Howard, NRA Board of Directors:

www.sf2a.org

www.nrawinningteam.com

I would have no problem hitting that.

Also, Oleg Volk has a number of comely models photographed with guns.
 
2013-03-15 04:31:59 PM  
http://www.kpho.com/video?clipId=8403748&autostart=true

It's questionable that the Mexican or Chinese governments are coming for the United States citizen's guns, but Mexico did ask for the information.

Which is none of their business...
 
2013-03-15 04:37:53 PM  

stevenboof: LaughingRadish: Googling for "NRA" and "civil rights" shows numerous references to the NRA being a civil rights organization.

All of those claims are made by the NRA, not others.  I can claim that I am the second coming of Christ, but that doesn't make it true.


There is no authority that makes an organization eligible to call themselves a civil rights organization.  If the members of that organization believe they are working towards civil rights, that's all the authority they need.  Similarly, there is no law that states that you have to recognize them as a civil rights organization.
 
2013-03-15 04:38:12 PM  

The Southern Dandy: iheartscotch: You know who else compiled a list of all owners of firearms; and then proceeded to confiscate said firearms?

He even gave every member of a certain chosen people a special star to wear; so everyone would know that they were special.

The Swiss?  Ooops.  Not them.  I forgot, I'm only supposed to bring up the Swiss and guns when I claim that an armed nation is a safe nation.  I forgot that I'm not supposed to mention that every gun in Switzerland is registered.


I was watching Nancy Pelosi's speech, Tuesday?, anyway; she said that there should be a period of time that every president should be allowed to "get stuff done; and that, while the partisan process is good, it's too slow" or something similar.

Does that not sound like she's suggesting that we need to skip the democratic process to you?

The only cororllary I can think of is from Ancient Rome. They'd elect a supreme leader in emergencies, who could bypass the democratic process. They'd hold the position for a year and then relinquish power. That didn't work out well for them.

/ and, these are the people you want to trust to implement gun control?
 
2013-03-15 04:41:12 PM  

iheartscotch: The Southern Dandy: iheartscotch: You know who else compiled a list of all owners of firearms; and then proceeded to confiscate said firearms?

He even gave every member of a certain chosen people a special star to wear; so everyone would know that they were special.

The Swiss?  Ooops.  Not them.  I forgot, I'm only supposed to bring up the Swiss and guns when I claim that an armed nation is a safe nation.  I forgot that I'm not supposed to mention that every gun in Switzerland is registered.

I was watching Nancy Pelosi's speech, Tuesday?, anyway; she said that there should be a period of time that every president should be allowed to "get stuff done; and that, while the partisan process is good, it's too slow" or something similar.

Does that not sound like she's suggesting that we need to skip the democratic process to you?

The only cororllary I can think of is from Ancient Rome. They'd elect a supreme leader in emergencies, who could bypass the democratic process. They'd hold the position for a year and then relinquish power. That didn't work out well for them.

/ and, these are the people you want to trust to implement gun control?


I don't have to trust them.  I've got a gun. Isn't that the point of having a gun?
 
2013-03-15 04:46:00 PM  

JesseL: Vodka Zombie: Is anyone doing anything other than just laughing at the NRA these days?

Considering how much their membership has grown in the last few months, I'd say yes.

It's sad when a large portion of the country wants to mock a civil rights organization though.


Ask the ACLU
 
2013-03-15 04:48:52 PM  

JesseL: The Southern Dandy: I forgot that I'm not supposed to mention that every gun in Switzerland is registered.

I rather doubt that's true. I'm sure even Switzerland has some criminals (whether it's simply by violating the malum prohibitum rule about registration, or because they're the sort of criminals that actually have victims) with unregistered guns.


Actually, the number of unregistered guns in Europe is something like 2 to 4 times the number of legally registered ones, and I imagine that Switzerland is no different.
 
2013-03-15 04:50:47 PM  
 
2013-03-15 04:52:25 PM  

JesseL: stevenboof: JesseL: For a more parallel case of pants-shiatting panic driving registration, take a look at the use of census records in executing Executive Order 9066.

Did the same thing happen during Korea or Vietnam or Iraq 1 or 2?  It's almost like we learned from our past mistakes.  You see, there are many people in this world that can admit to making a mistake and do their best to make sure they don't do it again. Most people don't double down on the stupid when they know they were/are wrong. Most people...

Thank you for making my point. What we've learned is that when the government starts making lists of people, they tend to do ugly things with them. We've learned that those lists are easily abused and that they're generally best not made at all. When they must be made (and it should take a damned good reason) they need tight controls to prevent their abuse. Even if you support what the current administration will do with them, consider what the next administration might do differently.

The idea of the government putting together a list of citizens who have chosen to exercise a constitutionally protected right should give the chills to anyone with an ounce of respect for liberty.


I tell ya', if I were some ebil soshulist muslin looking for a list of names and addresses of gun-owners, where would it find such a list?
NRA membership rolls?
 
2013-03-15 04:54:34 PM  
Does anyone know what made LaPierre go nuttier than a bag full of squirrels at an acorn convention? When he first popped up in the 90s he was a regular Joe Huntinnfishin type, wasn't he? Or maybe they just didn't let him out in public sans muzzle?
 
2013-03-15 04:58:13 PM  

The Southern Dandy: iheartscotch: The Southern Dandy: iheartscotch: You know who else compiled a list of all owners of firearms; and then proceeded to confiscate said firearms?

He even gave every member of a certain chosen people a special star to wear; so everyone would know that they were special.

The Swiss?  Ooops.  Not them.  I forgot, I'm only supposed to bring up the Swiss and guns when I claim that an armed nation is a safe nation.  I forgot that I'm not supposed to mention that every gun in Switzerland is registered.

I was watching Nancy Pelosi's speech, Tuesday?, anyway; she said that there should be a period of time that every president should be allowed to "get stuff done; and that, while the partisan process is good, it's too slow" or something similar.

Does that not sound like she's suggesting that we need to skip the democratic process to you?

The only cororllary I can think of is from Ancient Rome. They'd elect a supreme leader in emergencies, who could bypass the democratic process. They'd hold the position for a year and then relinquish power. That didn't work out well for them.

/ and, these are the people you want to trust to implement gun control?

I don't have to trust them.  I've got a gun. Isn't that the point of having a gun?


The point? One of the reasons guns exist is to protect yourself. Another is to feed yourself. Another is for target practice. Even Britian has a marksman team that goes to the Winter Olympics. But, those are not the only points.

It is your choice, of course, to own a gun. I'd say the point of owning a gun is; in the exercise of a fundamental right. This is about the right to choose. The right to choose what is right for you and your family. The point, frankly, is about personal freedom.
 
2013-03-15 05:06:01 PM  
Background checks = Registration
Registration = Confiscation

For you anti-gun slobbering bags of hot air, see the History of gun registration then confiscation in, I don't know, maybe 21,162,000 places on the WWW; your local Library; in the pages of these things called books; and lastly The Black Book of Communism.

Or, you could do this really really hard work called  research and look up the French Black Code, or maybe any of the Laws passed to ensure Blacks could not possess firearms to protect themselves ... oh, hell. You won't do any of that.

You emote rather than think.

Thimken be hard. Let's play video games instead
 
2013-03-15 05:06:23 PM  

willfullyobscure: Does anyone know what made LaPierre go nuttier than a bag full of squirrels at an acorn convention? When he first popped up in the 90s he was a regular Joe Huntinnfishin type, wasn't he? Or maybe they just didn't let him out in public sans muzzle?


Looks like Oklahoma City did it. In 1995, GHW Bush resigned his lifetime membership from the NRA after Wayne attacked members of the Secrete Service and ATF as "wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms" wanting to "attack law abiding citizens."


skozlaw: The Southern Dandy: The NRA is to guns
as
PETA is to animals

Yea, but PETA at least puts hot eye candy on street corners to protest.

Ain't nobody at the NRA you want to see emulating that.


www.fairfaxunderground.com
fake, but still funny
 
2013-03-15 05:07:24 PM  
Love how he calls for a federal database of the mentally ill, but sees huge security, privacy, and nanny state issues with a similar database for gun owners.

Also, anyone else notice that the podium is labeled CPAC 24013? They're about 22,000 years early!
 
2013-03-15 05:13:01 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Background checks = Registration
Registration = Confiscation

For you anti-gun slobbering bags of hot air, see the History of gun registration then confiscation in, I don't know, maybe 21,162,000 places on the WWW; your local Library; in the pages of these things called books; and lastly The Black Book of Communism.

Or, you could do this really really hard work called  research and look up the French Black Code, or maybe any of the Laws passed to ensure Blacks could not possess firearms to protect themselves ... oh, hell. You won't do any of that.

You emote rather than think.

Thimken be hard. Let's play video games instead


 Any proof that has happened on US soil?
Not the anti-Blacks laws. No lists were made there. Didn't really need lists.
The listing then confiscation thing. That happened?

/21,161,950 of those www hits are the same 5 chat rooms circle jerk posting to each other.
 
2013-03-15 05:25:25 PM  

Witty_Retort: Clemkadidlefark: Background checks = Registration
Registration = Confiscation

For you anti-gun slobbering bags of hot air, see the History of gun registration then confiscation in, I don't know, maybe 21,162,000 places on the WWW; your local Library; in the pages of these things called books; and lastly The Black Book of Communism.

Or, you could do this really really hard work called  research and look up the French Black Code, or maybe any of the Laws passed to ensure Blacks could not possess firearms to protect themselves ... oh, hell. You won't do any of that.

You emote rather than think.

Thimken be hard. Let's play video games instead

 Any proof that has happened on US soil?
Not the anti-Blacks laws. No lists were made there. Didn't really need lists.
The listing then confiscation thing. That happened?

/21,161,950 of those www hits are the same 5 chat rooms circle jerk posting to each other.


In NYC and California it did.
 
2013-03-15 05:56:45 PM  
Mexico would be better off asking for a list of ATF agents who sold the cartel guns.
 
2013-03-15 06:13:46 PM  

dittybopper: Susan Howard, NRA Board of Directors:


02varvara.files.wordpress.com

Not bad, but no comparison to the girls PETA sends out.

/ she looks too much like Ann Coulter's long lost sibling
 
2013-03-15 06:35:24 PM  
Marginalizing gun nutters has been surprisingly effortless.
 
2013-03-15 06:40:51 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Marginalizing gun nutters has been surprisingly effortless.


Because EVERYONE is against the crazies.
 
2013-03-15 06:46:03 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Marginalizing gun nutters has been surprisingly effortless.


You know what they say, strawmen tell no tales.
 
2013-03-15 06:50:57 PM  

skozlaw: dittybopper: Susan Howard, NRA Board of Directors:

[02varvara.files.wordpress.com image 800x480]

Not bad, but no comparison to the girls PETA sends out.

/ she looks too much like Ann Coulter's long lost sibling


As someone in his mid-forties, she's not bad at all.
 
2013-03-15 07:03:15 PM  
FTA: "In the end there are only two reasons for government to create that federal registry of gun owners-to tax them or to take them"

Or #3, to aid the government in forming local militias in the event of an armed invasion.  You don't simply repel an invading Chinese army using rocks and foul language.
 
2013-03-15 07:08:43 PM  

KittyGlitterSparkles: HotWingConspiracy: Marginalizing gun nutters has been surprisingly effortless.

You know what they say, strawmen tell no tales.


Nice.
 
2013-03-15 07:09:58 PM  

Witty_Retort: Any proof that has happened on US soil?
Not the anti-Blacks laws. No lists were made there. Didn't really need lists.
The listing then confiscation thing. That happened?


Yes, but in both cases (NYC and California) was a "soft" confiscation that was widely ignored.
 
2013-03-15 07:10:02 PM  

CygnusDarius: stevenboof: JesseL: The author of TFA is evidently unaware that Mexico has requested a civilian gun registry for all the border states.

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2013/429151/6/congreso-mexicano- pe dira-a-eu-impulsar-registro-balistico.htm

And Iran and North Korea have asked the US and UN to not sanction them anymore.  Just because a country asks for something, doesn't mean they are going to get it.

Yup. Besides, what's the farking point to have the names?.


Well, you know, if the Mexicans had the names, then the Chinese hackers could look the owners up in Google maps, so that when their paratroopers come after the North Korean magic EMP weapon takes out our entire electrical grid, the very first place they'll go will NOT be to secure military bases where all the big guns and trained personnel are, or the government sites where the hardened communication servers are--it will be to each individual gun owner's home to seize their cache of Glock AK-47 tactical assault rifles and Airsoft handguns! Cant' you see, man, it's all a plot!

....or the mad ravings of somebody who's played way too many recent FPS games and watched too many bad action movies.
 
2013-03-15 07:10:30 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: "In the end there are only two reasons for government to create that federal registry of gun owners-to tax them or to take them"

Or #3, to aid the government in forming local militias in the event of an armed invasion.  You don't simply repel an invading Chinese army using rocks and foul language.


I assure you the military can do this with stockpiles already on hand.
 
2013-03-15 07:36:02 PM  

Witty_Retort: willfullyobscure: Does anyone know what made LaPierre go nuttier than a bag full of squirrels at an acorn convention? When he first popped up in the 90s he was a regular Joe Huntinnfishin type, wasn't he? Or maybe they just didn't let him out in public sans muzzle?

Looks like Oklahoma City did it. In 1995, GHW Bush resigned his lifetime membership from the NRA after Wayne attacked members of the Secrete Service and ATF as "wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms" wanting to "attack law abiding citizens."


skozlaw: The Southern Dandy: The NRA is to guns
as
PETA is to animals

Yea, but PETA at least puts hot eye candy on street corners to protest.

Ain't nobody at the NRA you want to see emulating that.


fake, but still funny


Bush Sr. bought his "life" membership for $500 in 1987, back when he was gearing up for his presidential campaign. It was a cheap political ploy to garner votes.

He wasn't a long-standing member, and in fact he was no friend to gun owners as he enacted an import ban by executive order in 1989.

Oh, and it was Democrat John Dingell who first called the called the ATF jack-booted thugs.
 
2013-03-15 07:40:33 PM  

Yogimus: Dinjiin: FTA: "In the end there are only two reasons for government to create that federal registry of gun owners-to tax them or to take them"

Or #3, to aid the government in forming local militias in the event of an armed invasion.  You don't simply repel an invading Chinese army using rocks and foul language.

I assure you the military can do this with stockpiles already on hand.


No, they can't. There are more people of military age in the US than the military has guns.

Unless you believe the military has something like 25 million rifles, which is probably more than the total number of M-16/M-4s ever produced.
 
2013-03-15 07:51:18 PM  
Yep, I was right: production of the M-16/M-4 in total is about 10 million, many of which have been sold overseas or destroyed/worn out.

There are about 59 million men in the US age 18 to 45. Even if you assume half aren't able-bodied enough to fight, there are still 3 times more people then the US military could arm, assuming there were 10 million military guns available.
 
2013-03-15 08:16:39 PM  
Assume that the US government decided to confiscate all civilian owned firearms. Let's even grant you the full cooperation of every law enforcement agency in the country and an up-to-date national database. What are the odds of success?
Difficulty: Without igniting civil war.

/psst, they're not coming for your guns
 
2013-03-15 09:07:29 PM  

mutterfark: Assume that the US government decided to confiscate all civilian owned firearms. Let's even grant you the full cooperation of every law enforcement agency in the country and an up-to-date national database. What are the odds of success?
Difficulty: Without igniting civil war.

/psst, they're not coming for your guns




I don't think thats the real concern in most states today. As you suggest, broad gun ownership prevents outright confiscation.

I'd be more worried about long term efforts to dissuade new gun owners by amping up the difficulty to own and grandfathering an increasing number of weapons out of production.
There will be less to buy and it will be harder and more expensive to legally get it. You'll be harassed by the government for what you own and insulted by the press for talking about it.
Keep that up for a generation or two and it will lower the number of gun owners to a point where confiscation isn't as difficult to sell. The criminals will still own guns and kill, probably more violently than now, so you'll always have a demand that something be done.

We've already got a generation that's forgotten about the power of protest and allows itself to be stuffed into free speech zones. It lets the government rummage through our personal data like nothing is wrong, and throw people in jail indefinitely with no questions asked.

Eliminating a right is easier than many think. It just takes time and persistence.
 
2013-03-15 09:17:52 PM  

mutterfark: Assume that the US government decided to confiscate all civilian owned firearms. Let's even grant you the full cooperation of every law enforcement agency in the country and an up-to-date national database. What are the odds of success?
Difficulty: Without igniting civil war.

/psst, they're not coming for your guns


Oddly enough, that's exactly what the gun-grabbing politicians are talking about: confiscation.
 
2013-03-15 10:16:19 PM  

redmid17: Witty_Retort: Clemkadidlefark: Background checks = Registration
Registration = Confiscation

For you anti-gun slobbering bags of hot air, see the History of gun registration then confiscation in, I don't know, maybe 21,162,000 places on the WWW; your local Library; in the pages of these things called books; and lastly The Black Book of Communism.

Or, you could do this really really hard work called  research and look up the French Black Code, or maybe any of the Laws passed to ensure Blacks could not possess firearms to protect themselves ... oh, hell. You won't do any of that.

You emote rather than think.

Thimken be hard. Let's play video games instead

 Any proof that has happened on US soil?
Not the anti-Blacks laws. No lists were made there. Didn't really need lists.
The listing then confiscation thing. That happened?

/21,161,950 of those www hits are the same 5 chat rooms circle jerk posting to each other.

In NYC and California it did.


oh.

dittybopper:
Yes, but in both cases (NYC and California) was a "soft" confiscation that was widely ignored.

Oes Noes!
 
2013-03-15 10:47:54 PM  

Witty_Retort: Any proof that has happened on US soil?


Is US soil sacred, or something?  Humans and their greediness for control is pretty much a constant throughout history.
 
2013-03-15 11:54:11 PM  

way south: mutterfark: Assume that the US government decided to confiscate all civilian owned firearms. Let's even grant you the full cooperation of every law enforcement agency in the country and an up-to-date national database. What are the odds of success?
Difficulty: Without igniting civil war.

/psst, they're not coming for your guns

I don't think thats the real concern in most states today. As you suggest, broad gun ownership prevents outright confiscation.

I'd be more worried about long term efforts to dissuade new gun owners by amping up the difficulty to own and grandfathering an increasing number of weapons out of production.
There will be less to buy and it will be harder and more expensive to legally get it. You'll be harassed by the government for what you own and insulted by the press for talking about it.
Keep that up for a generation or two and it will lower the number of gun owners to a point where confiscation isn't as difficult to sell. The criminals will still own guns and kill, probably more violently than now, so you'll always have a demand that something be done.

We've already got a generation that's forgotten about the power of protest and allows itself to be stuffed into free speech zones. It lets the government rummage through our personal data like nothing is wrong, and throw people in jail indefinitely with no questions asked.

Eliminating a right is easier than many think. It just takes time and persistence.


One of the smartest posts I've seen in a long time. Sure, it may seem ridiculous now, but recall what sorts of things seemed outlandish only a few decades ago.

/Leaving NY for a more right and gun-friendly state
 
2013-03-16 12:44:41 AM  

trappedspirit: Witty_Retort: Any proof that has happened on US soil?

Is US soil sacred, or something?  Humans and their greediness for control is pretty much a constant throughout history.


About the only place I know of where gun confiscation has actually happened and worked was in Japan shortly after rifles were introduced. The samurai class decided they didn't like the idea of common peasants being able to kill them from a distance, so the shogun banned the import of Western firearms and put strict controls on who and where guns could be made inside Japan. Since Japan is an island nation, keeping new guns out was relatively easy; and since it was a feudal monarchy at the time, keeping guns from being made and distributed was even easier. Rounding up and destroying the guns in the country was no harder, since the samurai had all the money and power.

I doubt that could happen anywhere modernly because of the ease of production and the difficulty of sealing up a country's borders and entry points.
 
2013-03-16 04:08:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: trappedspirit: Witty_Retort: Any proof that has happened on US soil?

Is US soil sacred, or something?  Humans and their greediness for control is pretty much a constant throughout history.

About the only place I know of where gun confiscation has actually happened and worked was in Japan shortly after rifles were introduced. The samurai class decided they didn't like the idea of common peasants being able to kill them from a distance, so the shogun banned the import of Western firearms and put strict controls on who and where guns could be made inside Japan. Since Japan is an island nation, keeping new guns out was relatively easy; and since it was a feudal monarchy at the time, keeping guns from being made and distributed was even easier. Rounding up and destroying the guns in the country was no harder, since the samurai had all the money and power.

I doubt that could happen anywhere modernly because of the ease of production and the difficulty of sealing up a country's borders and entry points.


The way I remember it was that even before guns, commoners weren't permitted anything more offensive than the equivalent of a pocket knife.  Many "martial arts weapons" originated as farming and fishing implements to get around such restrictions.
 
2013-03-16 04:10:22 AM  

LaughingRadish: The way I remember it was that even before guns, commoners weren't permitted anything more offensive than the equivalent of a pocket knife. Many "martial arts weapons" originated as farming and fishing implements to get around such restrictions.


Right and wrong.  "martial art weapons" evolved that way due to cost, not due to regulation. (no government existed that could enforce them, with the exception of the chinese dynasties)
 
2013-03-16 12:32:21 PM  

Witty_Retort: dittybopper:
Yes, but in both cases (NYC and California) was a "soft" confiscation that was widely ignored.

Oes Noes!


Until you get caught, and end up looking at a felony weapons charge for something you legally purchased and owned, perhaps for years or decades.
 
2013-03-16 01:28:44 PM  

Yogimus: LaughingRadish: The way I remember it was that even before guns, commoners weren't permitted anything more offensive than the equivalent of a pocket knife. Many "martial arts weapons" originated as farming and fishing implements to get around such restrictions.

Right and wrong.  "martial art weapons" evolved that way due to cost, not due to regulation. (no government existed that could enforce them, with the exception of the chinese dynasties)


There are several distinct branches of Japanese hand to hand weaponry that survive to this day- the one most people think of, with sticks and oars and staves and the iron forks and so forth is called kobudo and originates in Okinawan kenpo. The Okinawans were a feisty people subjugated by the Japanese from the big Islands and engaged in long-running guerrilla unrest against them. The martial arts they practiced mostly came from traditional Chinese gongfu that the islanders adapted and practiced in semi-secret clubs. Weirdly, this is the basis for most modern martial arts schools in the US, up to and including MMA gyms.

Japanese weapon training used real weapons- bow, sword, spear, and so on, and were organized in prestigious gentlemen's schools that were the final resting place of the samurai class in the 19th c. They were considered a finishing school for gentlemen, in a way, but were largely in decay by the time of the Russo-Japanese war, and WWI finished them off for good as Japan began to militarize. More or less the same for the Okinawan kenpoka. I big stick isn't very convincing when the police have sidearms.

Kendo and archery remained as weapon sports throughout, as they were seen as a point of national pride. After WWII, American interest brought a resurgence of both Okinawan kobudo and the old Japanese sword ryu, though the actual experts were thin on the ground by then, so we ended up with a vast mixture of pure hooey and legitimate traditional schools transmitting traditional techniques with hand-to-hand weapons. across the board. there's about a 90% chance any traditional weapons practitioner you want to learn from is largely inauthentic. That holds true for Japan as well as the US, they have as large appetite for romantic nonsense as we do
 
2013-03-16 04:03:15 PM  
way south: Reasonable, intelligent post.

I see what you're saying, though it seems a bit like the "slippery slope" argument. Mostly I see the idea that requiring registration of guns leads to confiscation. That seems like a paranoid delusion. To take it further by imagining that a foreign power might invade the US and use a hypothetical database to confiscate civilian weapons, IMHO, puts you into flat-earther territory.
I do not oppose ownership of guns, even many proposed for banning. Prohibition won't work, but why the opposition to registration? Every argument I've heard seems like the "slippery slope". I think private sales need to be recordeas well, but that too comes with issues.
Damn complicated problem and it won't be solved by my brilliant(sarcasm) "insights".
 
2013-03-16 04:30:28 PM  

mutterfark: I see what you're saying, though it seems a bit like the "slippery slope" argument. Mostly I see the idea that requiring registration of guns leads to confiscation. That seems like a paranoid delusion.


A few points:

1. Slippery slopes are a logical fallacy, but they exist in the real world.  In fact, their mechanisms have been described.   There is a really interesting paper on that very subject.

2. It has actually been put forth as a strategy by pro-gun control persons and organizations.  Every time you hear "good first step" in controlling guns, that implies a slippery slope.

3. Registration doesn't inevitably lead to confiscation, but it does lower the cost for government to enact it in the future, and it facilitates it.  That's how guns were confiscated in Australia and the UK.

4. It's not a paranoid delusion when people are actually talking about it:   Governor Cuomo in New York mentioned confiscation as an option back in January.  Mostly, they avoid talking about it, though, because nothing fires up gun people like the "C" word.
 
2013-03-16 11:21:12 PM  
dittybopper:

Fark ate my long version when I hit preview.
Short version: I just don't believe that gun control advocates will ever have the political capital required to actually pull it off.
But the farking Patriot Act keeps getting renewed, so what the hell do I know?
 
2013-03-16 11:49:20 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The samurai class decided they didn't like the idea of common peasants being able to kill them from a distance, so the shogun banned the import of Western firearms and put strict controls on who and where guns could be made inside Japan.


Naturally I read 'shotgun'
 
2013-03-18 09:30:39 AM  

mutterfark: Short version: I just don't believe that gun control advocates will ever have the political capital required to actually pull it off.


That's why slippery slopes actually *WORK*.

If you were to go back in time to England in 1920, and say "Hey, before little infant James here dies of old age, all modern handguns will be banned and confiscated, and long guns will be very, very tightly controlled", they'd have probably laughed at you.

It didn't happen all at once:  At first, the registration was quite "reasonable", and in fact it was that way by design to encourage compliance.  Then, gradually, over the decades, the increased the cost of compliance , and that had the effect of reducing the number of people who legally owned guns.  By the time the 1980's and 1990's roll around, they are a small minority:  The UK confiscated all modern handguns that were legally registered, and only about 57,000 people in a nation of over 60 million owned them, a tiny minority because the government had made it increasingly difficult to own them.

Just 88 years prior, legally owned handguns were common enough, and *CARRIED* often enough by law-abiding citizens, that the police could borrow them from passersby.

That is what is at work here.  Will it happen in our lifetimes?  Probably not, but you can't be sure:  I was in the UK back in the early 1980's, and I didn't get the sense that within 5 or 6 years semiautomatic and pump action rifles and shotguns would be banned, nor did I think that within 16 years handguns would be completely banned.

Thing is, I don't want the littlebopper to have to turn in his guns, or his children to turn in theirs, or their children.  I want to leave them the same freedoms I enjoyed.  More, actually, given NYS's new laws.
 
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