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(WXYZ Detroit)   Michigan's first gay marriage happens today. On an Indian reservation. Under tribal law   (wxyz.com) divider line 17
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2013-03-15 02:37:09 PM
4 votes:
Tim and Gene both served 18 years in the U.S. Navy and believe they fought for everyone else's rights and freedom and now they want the same rights.

Hear hear!
2013-03-15 04:25:16 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Well, I can't be sure every time I check a box, whether or not I'll benefit from it.  Either it's always ok for me and Warren to check the box or it's always wrong for us to check the box.


What box? She was recruited. She didn't fill out an application or check a box.
2013-03-15 03:50:06 PM
2 votes:
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There is no shame in two spirts. They succeed as women hey do not fail as men.
2013-03-15 11:53:34 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: MaliFinn: Theaetetus: Tribal law will keep their marriage safe from a 2004 Michigan constitutional amendment.

It's also safe from the federal Defense of Marriage Act which is in front of the U.S. Supreme Court and defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.


Not so. DoMA, Clause 2, which  isn't in front of SCOTUS at the moment:

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.


That clause of DoMA specifically means that their marriage may be ignored by other states, regardless of their tribal law.

That doesn't mean shiat.  The DoMA does not apply to Indian Nations because there are preexisting treaties respecting the Tribes' ability to self-govern, and subsequent Tribal constitutions having been recognized by the DoI granting them powers in scope that include governance on Tribal land over people in their own homes.  The Federal government may pass a law, but a Tribal law within this scope can supersede it, with all disputes being first judged in Tribal courts.

And if you're thinking to yourself "lol we have tanks and screw you indinz;" violating the treaties is an invitation to war, and nobody wants to go there, for a number of reasons.  One of the largest reasons is that there are 3,000,000 Native Americans, and 22% of them over 18 (men and women) are military veterans.

You saying the treaties would force the Feds to recognize the tribal gay marriage? Like, say allow them to file jointly on their federal income tax, extend benefits if one of them is a federal employee?

Sounds interesting. That's not how it works for marriages from other countries.


Thinking of Tribes as foreign countries is correct, they are sovereign nations.  The difference is that their treaties allow for disputes about domestic issues - issue about activity and conditions on trust land - are settled in Tribal court first.  It's a big minefield, and it's hard for anyone to challenge and overturn tribal law without stomping all over the tribe's sovereignty.  You might as well piss on their doorstep and kick their dog, dismissing the validity of tribal sovereignty is fightin' words.
2013-03-15 08:26:24 PM
1 votes:

spentmiles: xaratherus: spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"


Wild, crazy question: why do you care?  Really, how does this affect you in any way?  I honestly don't get it.  I'm a boy, and I like girls in a fairly generic and perhaps boring (to some) way - but why should you care in the slightest whether I like plowing conventional fields, or drilling some guy's doodie hole, or screwing my grandpa in the nostril or his eye socket, or what have you?

I'm simply at a loss.  If these activities were happening in a more public way (for example, if I chose to ravish my wife on the table of the local McDonalds) - I could see people getting upset, and they would be right to be upset.  No one should be forced to witness our old, wrinkly flesh slapping between bad coffee and a chalky Egg McMuffin.

But seriously, what the hell do you care what happens in private, and between consenting adults?  If they choose to eat each others' snot, what is it to you?  Gross or hot, messy or clean, I...  I am just dumbfounded that anyone seriously gives two shiats about any of this.  In my book, anybody who loves someone else is way more awesome and lucky than someone who doesn't.  Awesome for loving someone.  Lucky for finding someone worth loving.  I'm sad for people that don't experience this, regardless of the genders, races, religions, or what have you.

Stop worrying about how other people do it, and love somebody.
2013-03-15 07:30:46 PM
1 votes:

alienated: spentmiles has certainly won troll of the day . well played.


This, though the outright disgust at the act is what lead me to believe it was a troll so not sure if well played or just gullible Farkers.

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2013-03-15 06:48:33 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Tribal law will keep their marriage safe from a 2004 Michigan constitutional amendment.

It's also safe from the federal Defense of Marriage Act which is in front of the U.S. Supreme Court and defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.


Not so. DoMA, Clause 2, which  isn't in front of SCOTUS at the moment:

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.


That clause of DoMA specifically means that their marriage may be ignored by other states, regardless of their tribal law.


That doesn't mean shiat.  The DoMA does not apply to Indian Nations because there are preexisting treaties respecting the Tribes' ability to self-govern, and subsequent Tribal constitutions having been recognized by the DoI granting them powers in scope that include governance on Tribal land over people in their own homes.  The Federal government may pass a law, but a Tribal law within this scope can supersede it, with all disputes being first judged in Tribal courts.

And if you're thinking to yourself "lol we have tanks and screw you indinz;" violating the treaties is an invitation to war, and nobody wants to go there, for a number of reasons.  One of the largest reasons is that there are 3,000,000 Native Americans, and 22% of them over 18 (men and women) are military veterans.
2013-03-15 05:57:59 PM
1 votes:

spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"

And for all the ladies out there who are pro-gay marriage: Do you let your boyfriend/husband shove it up your ass?  Probably not.  And why?  Because it hurts, it's disgusting, and it's not something you'd ever stoop to doing.  Well, that's pretty much the difference between regular marriage and gay marriage.  The love is the same, except there's a lot more butt farking.  Is that something you can really get behind?  A bunch of dirty, shiat sticking?

You probably haven't thought that far...


Nice. Not only was your statement racist as hell, it was also misogynist and homophobic, as well as being paranoid and adolescent. You should be proud of your ability to hit every negative marker in human behavior at once.
2013-03-15 04:58:51 PM
1 votes:

xaratherus: Theaetetus: xaratherus: Feel free to read the source document. It goes on to state that somewhere around 10%+ of those heterosexual males engage in it on a 'regular basis'. Which is still more straight people having anal sex than there are even homosexuals that exist.

Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

It would be an interesting study, I'm sure; given that there is a growing market of internal prostate stimulators directed at heterosexual men, the taboo against "the P-spot" is declining.

I find it humorous that people make such a huge deal about the cleanliness of anal sex. You prep for it - just like I know many heterosexual women who clean their va-JJs before engaging in sex because without proper maintenance, any orifice can get nasty.


I like buttsecks as much as the next queer, but won't besmirch vaginas to make a point.  A healthy vagina does not need douching.  Technically, if you're regular enough, your butt doesn't either.  But one orifice is regularly unclean and the other is not (OK, forgetting menstruation).

My point is, hetero dudes should learn to love the taste and smell of a natural, healthy vadge.
2013-03-15 04:29:42 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.


Man I love Google Trends
2013-03-15 04:26:32 PM
1 votes:

spentmiles: xaratherus: spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"

And for all the ladies out there who are pro-gay marriage: Do you let your boyfriend/husband shove it up your ass?  Probably not.  And why?  Because it hurts, it's disgusting, and it's not something you'd ever stoop to doing.  Well, that's pretty much the difference between regular marriage and gay marriage.  The love is the same, except there's a lot more butt farking.  Is that something you can really get behind?  A bunch of dirty, shiat sticking?

You probably haven't thought that far...

First, source:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

Excerpt: "...36% of women and 44% of men ever had anal sex with an opposite-sex partner "

Just to crunch the numbers: In 2008 (when the study was concluded) the United States' population was 305 million. As a high-end estimate, it's thought that roughly 3% of the population is homosexual, so that would be just over 9 million; figure that about 60% of those are male, that's 5 million gay men. Let's say that  all of them have anal sex (which is inaccurate; not all gay men like anal).

Now based on the CDC study, that would be 44% of heterosexual (or possibly bisexual) men having anal sex - or just over 1.3 billion.

This is why it's so mind-mindbogglingly stupid to refer to anal sex as "gay sex", because based solely on numbers, there are  far more heterosexuals having anal sex than there even  are gay people.

I tried heroin once.  Does that make me a heroin user?

Any my ninth grade girlfriend let me put the tip in her shiat-puker once.  Does that make me an active diaper wiper?

Everyone is entitled to try something once, to make a mistake.  It becomes inexcusable when unsanitary behavior becomes compulsive to the point of redefining marriage so as to include the abhorrent in a beautiful custom.  It's akin to repealing the "Employees must wash hands after using the bathroom" laws.  You may like a healthy dose ...


Feel free to read the source document. It goes on to state that somewhere around 10%+ of those heterosexual males engage in it on a 'regular basis'. Which is still more straight people having anal sex than there are even homosexuals that exist.

Anal sex - in fact, sex in general, since there's no legal requirement in the United States that a married couple even  have sex - has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage, but please, continue to pretend like it does. Your petulant cries of "waaaaaah hide your deviance" make me chuckle.

Like all (apparent) anti-gays, your vapid arguments of "yuck, I don't like it" are so easy to dismantle.
2013-03-15 04:11:26 PM
1 votes:

spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"

And for all the ladies out there who are pro-gay marriage: Do you let your boyfriend/husband shove it up your ass?  Probably not.  And why?  Because it hurts, it's disgusting, and it's not something you'd ever stoop to doing.  Well, that's pretty much the difference between regular marriage and gay marriage.  The love is the same, except there's a lot more butt farking.  Is that something you can really get behind?  A bunch of dirty, shiat sticking?

You probably haven't thought that far...


First, source:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

Excerpt: "...36% of women and 44% of men ever had anal sex with an opposite-sex partner "

Just to crunch the numbers: In 2008 (when the study was concluded) the United States' population was 305 million. As a high-end estimate, it's thought that roughly 3% of the population is homosexual, so that would be just over 9 million; figure that about 60% of those are male, that's 5 million gay men. Let's say that  all of them have anal sex (which is inaccurate; not all gay men like anal).

Now based on the CDC study, that would be 44% of heterosexual (or possibly bisexual) men having anal sex - or just over 1.3 billion.

This is why it's so mind-mindbogglingly stupid to refer to anal sex as "gay sex", because based solely on numbers, there are  far more heterosexuals having anal sex than there even  are gay people.
2013-03-15 04:08:27 PM
1 votes:
Hmmmmm!  I think that Spentmiles and Santorum have more than just politics in common.
2013-03-15 04:06:27 PM
1 votes:

spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"

And for all the ladies out there who are pro-gay marriage: Do you let your boyfriend/husband shove it up your ass?  Probably not.  And why?  Because it hurts, it's disgusting, and it's not something you'd ever stoop to doing.  Well, that's pretty much the difference between regular marriage and gay marriage.  The love is the same, except there's a lot more butt farking.  Is that something you can really get behind?  A bunch of dirty, shiat sticking?

You probably haven't thought that far...


Sounds like that is the way you were conceived.
2013-03-15 03:54:57 PM
1 votes:

spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"

And for all the ladies out there who are pro-gay marriage: Do you let your boyfriend/husband shove it up your ass?  Probably not.  And why?  Because it hurts, it's disgusting, and it's not something you'd ever stoop to doing.  Well, that's pretty much the difference between regular marriage and gay marriage.  The love is the same, except there's a lot more butt farking.  Is that something you can really get behind?  A bunch of dirty, shiat sticking?

You probably haven't thought that far...


Well, you've sure as hell spent a long time thinking about it.
2013-03-15 03:46:51 PM
1 votes:
I just came by to say...congratulations.
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2013-03-15 03:27:05 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: I have generally held


And what governmental office do you hold that your opinion about this matters to anyone except you?
 
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