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2013-03-15 04:29:42 PM

Theaetetus: Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.


Man I love Google Trends
 
2013-03-15 04:30:46 PM

Theaetetus: Two sailors, one of whom is an Indian? Where's the cop, construction worker, and cowboy?


At the Y....MCA.
 
2013-03-15 04:32:04 PM

Theaetetus: xaratherus: Feel free to read the source document. It goes on to state that somewhere around 10%+ of those heterosexual males engage in it on a 'regular basis'. Which is still more straight people having anal sex than there are even homosexuals that exist.

Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.


It would be an interesting study, I'm sure; given that there is a growing market of internal prostate stimulators directed at heterosexual men, the taboo against "the P-spot" is declining.

I find it humorous that people make such a huge deal about the cleanliness of anal sex. You prep for it - just like I know many heterosexual women who clean their va-JJs before engaging in sex because without proper maintenance, any orifice can get nasty.
 
2013-03-15 04:32:36 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Theaetetus: Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

Man I love Google Trends


I'm not saying this is a bookmark. It's more like me bending a page over.
 
2013-03-15 04:34:49 PM

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Theaetetus: Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

Man I love Google Trends

I'm not saying this is a bookmark. It's more like me bending a page over.


www.projectqatlanta.com
Hey-o!
 
2013-03-15 04:35:44 PM

xaratherus: This is why it's so mind-mindbogglingly stupid to refer to anal sex as "gay sex", because based solely on numbers, there are far more heterosexuals having anal sex than there even are gay people.


Anything in there about frequency7 of buttfu(king?


Your nmbers suggest that there is an equal amount of continued fudge packing between gay and straight butt fu(kers after the initial experience.This seems unlikely since there are fewer orifices (orifi?) for gay butt fu(kers to fu(k. Even if they dont care for taking the hershey highway that much there just is not a vaginal thoroughfare there for them to fu(k. Its butt fu(king or no fu(king, only blow jobs. I guess if their partner is ft they could try moob titty fu(king. But options are limited really.
 
2013-03-15 04:35:55 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Theaetetus: Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

Man I love Google Trends


Lol... Pakistan is a surprising high entry.
 
2013-03-15 04:36:24 PM
But how stiff where their totem poles?

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-15 04:36:49 PM
I think Mika needs a new keyboard.
 
2013-03-15 04:37:16 PM

Theaetetus: Lol... Pakistan is a surprising high entry.


Well, they are getting farked in the ass by the US on a constant basis..might as well enjoy it right?

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: I'm not saying this is a bookmark. It's more like me bending a page over.


*golf clap
 
2013-03-15 04:38:09 PM

ModernLuddite: What a gay Indian may look like:



//Hell is hot.
///Like my links.
////Which is hot.


Persian, actually.

/Bismillah!
 
2013-03-15 04:38:59 PM

trappedspirit: spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"

And for all the ladies out there who are pro-gay marriage: Do you let your boyfriend/husband shove it up your ass?  Probably not.  And why?  Because it hurts, it's disgusting, and it's not something you'd ever stoop to doing.  Well, that's pretty much the difference between regular marriage and gay marriage.  The love is the same, except there's a lot more butt farking.  Is that something you can really get behind?  A bunch of dirty, shiat sticking?

You probably haven't thought that far...

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While you're downing Columbus, remember that Native American tribes engage in every single form of warfare and atrocity that the "round eyes" did, but to hear some people talk about it, every was just sunshine, unicorns, rainbows, and at night everyone laid around the camp fire together and thanked the land just for being itself up until 1492.

/also, if someone wants to play rump ranger in their spare time, I could care less so long as they aren't trying to play rump ranger with me
 
2013-03-15 04:39:23 PM

Theaetetus: serial_crusher: Well, I can't be sure every time I check a box, whether or not I'll benefit from it.  Either it's always ok for me and Warren to check the box or it's always wrong for us to check the box.

What box? She was recruited. She didn't fill out an application or check a box.


These are some crazy moving goalposts here.  I have no idea what's going on in this thread anymore.

/ As far as boxes that Elizabeth Warren may or may not have checked, aren't there IRS forms (particularly for EEOs like Harvard University) that ask whether or not you're a Native American?  IIRC you're not required to answer those though, so maybe she didn't.
 
2013-03-15 04:46:45 PM

Theaetetus: I think Mika needs a new keyboard.


I really do. This bastard almost needs hammer blows to type letters. Problem is its only a month old and I cant justify buying another new one yet. FARK YOU HEWLETT PACKARD KEYBOARD
 
2013-03-15 04:47:46 PM

Theaetetus: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Theaetetus: Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

Man I love Google Trends

Lol... Pakistan is a surprising high entry.


this thread is awesome
 
2013-03-15 04:58:51 PM

xaratherus: Theaetetus: xaratherus: Feel free to read the source document. It goes on to state that somewhere around 10%+ of those heterosexual males engage in it on a 'regular basis'. Which is still more straight people having anal sex than there are even homosexuals that exist.

Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

It would be an interesting study, I'm sure; given that there is a growing market of internal prostate stimulators directed at heterosexual men, the taboo against "the P-spot" is declining.

I find it humorous that people make such a huge deal about the cleanliness of anal sex. You prep for it - just like I know many heterosexual women who clean their va-JJs before engaging in sex because without proper maintenance, any orifice can get nasty.


I like buttsecks as much as the next queer, but won't besmirch vaginas to make a point.  A healthy vagina does not need douching.  Technically, if you're regular enough, your butt doesn't either.  But one orifice is regularly unclean and the other is not (OK, forgetting menstruation).

My point is, hetero dudes should learn to love the taste and smell of a natural, healthy vadge.
 
2013-03-15 04:59:48 PM
Wow, looks like spentmiles is getting a little action today...
 
2013-03-15 05:22:01 PM
Awww yissss, way to cleverly work around the state's absurd anti-gay marriage laws!

/gay
//lifelong Michigander
///the homophobes in this thread seem awfully obsessed with anal sex, methinks they doth protest too much
 
2013-03-15 05:26:45 PM
How kind of them to bring Democracy to America.

/We hate them for their freedom
 
2013-03-15 05:28:17 PM

Lumpmoose: xaratherus: Theaetetus: xaratherus: Feel free to read the source document. It goes on to state that somewhere around 10%+ of those heterosexual males engage in it on a 'regular basis'. Which is still more straight people having anal sex than there are even homosexuals that exist.

Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

It would be an interesting study, I'm sure; given that there is a growing market of internal prostate stimulators directed at heterosexual men, the taboo against "the P-spot" is declining.

I find it humorous that people make such a huge deal about the cleanliness of anal sex. You prep for it - just like I know many heterosexual women who clean their va-JJs before engaging in sex because without proper maintenance, any orifice can get nasty.

I like buttsecks as much as the next queer, but won't besmirch vaginas to make a point.  A healthy vagina does not need douching.  Technically, if you're regular enough, your butt doesn't either.  But one orifice is regularly unclean and the other is not (OK, forgetting menstruation).

My point is, hetero dudes should learn to love the taste and smell of a natural, healthy vadge.


[Raises hand.]

Cunnilingus is one of my most favorite things to do on this planet.
 
2013-03-15 05:34:04 PM

cman: I thought tribes were sovereign states.

Why would Michigan laws apply?


Because you would only be married on Sovereign land and once you left the res it's void? Like fireworks being legal on a Res but as soon as you take it off cops bust ya.
 
2013-03-15 05:35:01 PM

Lumpmoose: xaratherus: Theaetetus: xaratherus: Feel free to read the source document. It goes on to state that somewhere around 10%+ of those heterosexual males engage in it on a 'regular basis'. Which is still more straight people having anal sex than there are even homosexuals that exist.

Given those statistics and population sizes, I wonder what the ratio of heterosexual men who engage in pegging to gay men is.

It would be an interesting study, I'm sure; given that there is a growing market of internal prostate stimulators directed at heterosexual men, the taboo against "the P-spot" is declining.

I find it humorous that people make such a huge deal about the cleanliness of anal sex. You prep for it - just like I know many heterosexual women who clean their va-JJs before engaging in sex because without proper maintenance, any orifice can get nasty.

I like buttsecks as much as the next queer, but won't besmirch vaginas to make a point.  A healthy vagina does not need douching.  Technically, if you're regular enough, your butt doesn't either.  But one orifice is regularly unclean and the other is not (OK, forgetting menstruation).

My point is, hetero dudes should learn to love the taste and smell of a natural, healthy vadge.


"If you'd lick a hole you'd suck a pole."
 
Skr
2013-03-15 05:39:33 PM
I wonder if they can avoid marriage taxes by getting married on a reservation. Works for Cigarettes.
 
2013-03-15 05:40:15 PM
I want to know their tribal Indian names for "He who pitches"and"He who catches".
 
2013-03-15 05:40:28 PM

CheekyMonkey: Wow, looks like spentmiles is getting a little action today...


Meh.  A dynamite fisherman - I don't respect him. I remember when sportsmanship (and trolling) meant something.
 
2013-03-15 05:41:34 PM

Lava_Backflips: I want to know their tribal Indian names for "He who pitches"and"He who catches".


Why do you ask your chief this question, Two Dogs F**king?
 
2013-03-15 05:45:32 PM

xaratherus: because without proper maintenance, any orifice can get nasty.


We see a lot of that on FARK.
 
2013-03-15 05:57:59 PM

spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"

And for all the ladies out there who are pro-gay marriage: Do you let your boyfriend/husband shove it up your ass?  Probably not.  And why?  Because it hurts, it's disgusting, and it's not something you'd ever stoop to doing.  Well, that's pretty much the difference between regular marriage and gay marriage.  The love is the same, except there's a lot more butt farking.  Is that something you can really get behind?  A bunch of dirty, shiat sticking?

You probably haven't thought that far...


Nice. Not only was your statement racist as hell, it was also misogynist and homophobic, as well as being paranoid and adolescent. You should be proud of your ability to hit every negative marker in human behavior at once.
 
2013-03-15 05:59:36 PM

ReverendJynxed: cman: I thought tribes were sovereign states.

Why would Michigan laws apply?

Because you would only be married on Sovereign land and once you left the res it's void? Like fireworks being legal on a Res but as soon as you take it off cops bust ya.


We no longer have the fireworks ban.  That was lifted over a year ago.  Snyder decided that all MI folks can enjoy that little freedom.
 
2013-03-15 06:10:07 PM

lack of warmth: ReverendJynxed: cman: I thought tribes were sovereign states.

Why would Michigan laws apply?

Because you would only be married on Sovereign land and once you left the res it's void? Like fireworks being legal on a Res but as soon as you take it off cops bust ya.

We no longer have the fireworks ban.  That was lifted over a year ago.  Snyder decided that all MI folks can enjoy that little freedom.


Yeah. And the result was that last Independence Day, several buildings burned down across the state (including a church in western Michigan) and a lot more people ended up maimed. Wooo! We let unlicensed morons buy truckloads of explosive fire hazards, but we can't let people pay for sex, get high without a doctor's note, or have legal next of kin or tax marriage rights with a member of the same gender.

But yeah, by all means, let the stupid hicks have more explosives. That will make our state great.
 
2013-03-15 06:15:45 PM

ZeroCorpse: lack of warmth: ReverendJynxed: cman: I thought tribes were sovereign states.

Why would Michigan laws apply?

Because you would only be married on Sovereign land and once you left the res it's void? Like fireworks being legal on a Res but as soon as you take it off cops bust ya.

We no longer have the fireworks ban.  That was lifted over a year ago.  Snyder decided that all MI folks can enjoy that little freedom.

Yeah. And the result was that last Independence Day, several buildings burned down across the state (including a church in western Michigan) and a lot more people ended up maimed. Wooo! We let unlicensed morons buy truckloads of explosive fire hazards, but we can't let people pay for sex, get high without a doctor's note, or have legal next of kin or tax marriage rights with a member of the same gender.

But yeah, by all means, let the stupid hicks have more explosives. That will make our state great.


And now that little tirade happened.  Are you done, or do you need more time to cry and draw attention?

/done with fake outraging morans.
 
2013-03-15 06:16:04 PM
If there's one thing I wouldn't want more than to be gay-married, it's to be gay-married only on an Indian reservation.
 
2013-03-15 06:31:56 PM
spentmiles has certainly won troll of the day . well played.
 
2013-03-15 06:36:55 PM
Good for them.
 
2013-03-15 06:48:33 PM

Theaetetus: Tribal law will keep their marriage safe from a 2004 Michigan constitutional amendment.

It's also safe from the federal Defense of Marriage Act which is in front of the U.S. Supreme Court and defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.


Not so. DoMA, Clause 2, which  isn't in front of SCOTUS at the moment:

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.


That clause of DoMA specifically means that their marriage may be ignored by other states, regardless of their tribal law.


That doesn't mean shiat.  The DoMA does not apply to Indian Nations because there are preexisting treaties respecting the Tribes' ability to self-govern, and subsequent Tribal constitutions having been recognized by the DoI granting them powers in scope that include governance on Tribal land over people in their own homes.  The Federal government may pass a law, but a Tribal law within this scope can supersede it, with all disputes being first judged in Tribal courts.

And if you're thinking to yourself "lol we have tanks and screw you indinz;" violating the treaties is an invitation to war, and nobody wants to go there, for a number of reasons.  One of the largest reasons is that there are 3,000,000 Native Americans, and 22% of them over 18 (men and women) are military veterans.
 
2013-03-15 06:55:32 PM

MaliFinn: Theaetetus: Tribal law will keep their marriage safe from a 2004 Michigan constitutional amendment.

It's also safe from the federal Defense of Marriage Act which is in front of the U.S. Supreme Court and defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.


Not so. DoMA, Clause 2, which  isn't in front of SCOTUS at the moment:

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.


That clause of DoMA specifically means that their marriage may be ignored by other states, regardless of their tribal law.

That doesn't mean shiat.  The DoMA does not apply to Indian Nations because there are preexisting treaties respecting the Tribes' ability to self-govern, and subsequent Tribal constitutions having been recognized by the DoI granting them powers in scope that include governance on Tribal land over people in their own homes.  The Federal government may pass a law, but a Tribal law within this scope can supersede it, with all disputes being first judged in Tribal courts.

And if you're thinking to yourself "lol we have tanks and screw you indinz;" violating the treaties is an invitation to war, and nobody wants to go there, for a number of reasons.  One of the largest reasons is that there are 3,000,000 Native Americans, and 22% of them over 18 (men and women) are military veterans.


You saying the treaties would force the Feds to recognize the tribal gay marriage? Like, say allow them to file jointly on their federal income tax, extend benefits if one of them is a federal employee?

Sounds interesting. That's not how it works for marriages from other countries.
 
2013-03-15 07:07:53 PM
michigan is a hellhole that voted to ban gay marriage, ban civil unions, ban same sex partner benefits, all in a single law that was added to the michigan constitution, and the law those idiot voters voted on was unconstitutional, and the governor did nothing (Granholm).
I hope they sink into the earth and we get one really big great lake.
they hate us so much they want nothing  but for us to suffer. They deserve their failed economy, their loss of democracy with the EFMs, they deserve everything they voted to get.
 
2013-03-15 07:09:09 PM

MaliFinn: Theaetetus: Tribal law will keep their marriage safe from a 2004 Michigan constitutional amendment.

It's also safe from the federal Defense of Marriage Act which is in front of the U.S. Supreme Court and defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.


Not so. DoMA, Clause 2, which  isn't in front of SCOTUS at the moment:

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.


That clause of DoMA specifically means that their marriage may be ignored by other states, regardless of their tribal law.

That doesn't mean shiat.  The DoMA does not apply to Indian Nations because there are preexisting treaties respecting the Tribes' ability to self-govern, and subsequent Tribal constitutions having been recognized by the DoI granting them powers in scope that include governance on Tribal land over people in their own homes.  The Federal government may pass a law, but a Tribal law within this scope can supersede it, with all disputes being first judged in Tribal courts.


Respectfully, I believe you're misreading both DoMA and my earlier post. Allow me to try to be clearer:
1) DoMA says that no state is required to give effect to an act from an indian tribe regarding same sex marriage;
2) Therefore, "tribal law" doesn't keep their marriage safe from, for example, Michigan refusing to recognize it.

Your statement - that the tribes can  self-govern and that they have powers of governance  on Tribal landand can judge disputes  in Tribal courts - is true, but irrelevant to what  Michigan does with this couple's marriage. And Michigan doesn't have to let them file taxes jointly, for example.

Clearer now?
 
2013-03-15 07:12:08 PM

serial_crusher: You saying the treaties would force the Feds to recognize the tribal gay marriage? Like, say allow them to file jointly on their federal income tax, extend benefits if one of them is a federal employee?

Sounds interesting. That's not how it works for marriages from other countries.


No, I believe MaliFinn was saying that the treaties would prevent the Feds from invading the tribes' territory and physically separating gay couples, shredding documents relating to their marriages, interrupting ceremonies, etc. And he's right, but that's entirely irrelevant to DoMA, which controls what you say it does - federal recognition (under clause 3) and forcing states to recognize foreign marriages (clause 2).
 
2013-03-15 07:16:04 PM

Theaetetus: serial_crusher: You saying the treaties would force the Feds to recognize the tribal gay marriage? Like, say allow them to file jointly on their federal income tax, extend benefits if one of them is a federal employee?

Sounds interesting. That's not how it works for marriages from other countries.

No, I believe MaliFinn was saying that the treaties would prevent the Feds from invading the tribes' territory and physically separating gay couples, shredding documents relating to their marriages, interrupting ceremonies, etc. And he's right, but that's entirely irrelevant to DoMA, which controls what you say it does - federal recognition (under clause 3) and forcing states to recognize foreign marriages (clause 2).


Yeah I suspected that, but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.  The gay marriage debate is full of people conflating the word "illegal" to mean crazier and crazier things.  They're not helping.
 
2013-03-15 07:28:12 PM
spentmiles delivers
 
2013-03-15 07:30:46 PM

alienated: spentmiles has certainly won troll of the day . well played.


This, though the outright disgust at the act is what lead me to believe it was a troll so not sure if well played or just gullible Farkers.

/whynotboth.jpg
 
2013-03-15 07:33:06 PM

Bane of Broone: alienated: spentmiles has certainly won troll of the day . well played.

This, though the outright disgust at the act is what lead me to believe it was a troll so not sure if well played or just gullible Farkers.

/whynotboth.jpg


At this point being trolled by spentmiles is like being trolled by MikeLowell.  His bites are well earned in spite of his notoriety.
 
2013-03-15 07:33:44 PM

MaliFinn: Theaetetus: Tribal law will keep their marriage safe from a 2004 Michigan constitutional amendment.

It's also safe from the federal Defense of Marriage Act which is in front of the U.S. Supreme Court and defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.


Not so. DoMA, Clause 2, which  isn't in front of SCOTUS at the moment:

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.


That clause of DoMA specifically means that their marriage may be ignored by other states, regardless of their tribal law.

That doesn't mean shiat.  The DoMA does not apply to Indian Nations because there are preexisting treaties respecting the Tribes' ability to self-govern, and subsequent Tribal constitutions having been recognized by the DoI granting them powers in scope that include governance on Tribal land over people in their own homes.  The Federal government may pass a law, but a Tribal law within this scope can supersede it, with all disputes being first judged in Tribal courts.

And if you're thinking to yourself "lol we have tanks and screw you indinz;" violating the treaties is an invitation to war, and nobody wants to go there, for a number of reasons.  One of the largest reasons is that there are 3,000,000 Native Americans, and 22% of them over 18 (men and women) are military veterans.


Their only defense is a lack of oil.
 
2013-03-15 07:41:16 PM

Summoner101: Bane of Broone: alienated: spentmiles has certainly won troll of the day . well played.

This, though the outright disgust at the act is what lead me to believe it was a troll so not sure if well played or just gullible Farkers.

/whynotboth.jpg

At this point being trolled by spentmiles is like being trolled by MikeLowell.  His bites are well earned in spite of his notoriety.


That's some lofty praise right there. I am always delighted to see Mike's posts.
 
2013-03-15 07:57:54 PM
Gay braves. I mean, is there anything left under the sun to hear about now?
 
2013-03-15 08:26:24 PM

spentmiles: xaratherus: spentmiles: "Do you, Pale Face, agree to let Tonto shoot his arrow up your ass twice a week?"


Wild, crazy question: why do you care?  Really, how does this affect you in any way?  I honestly don't get it.  I'm a boy, and I like girls in a fairly generic and perhaps boring (to some) way - but why should you care in the slightest whether I like plowing conventional fields, or drilling some guy's doodie hole, or screwing my grandpa in the nostril or his eye socket, or what have you?

I'm simply at a loss.  If these activities were happening in a more public way (for example, if I chose to ravish my wife on the table of the local McDonalds) - I could see people getting upset, and they would be right to be upset.  No one should be forced to witness our old, wrinkly flesh slapping between bad coffee and a chalky Egg McMuffin.

But seriously, what the hell do you care what happens in private, and between consenting adults?  If they choose to eat each others' snot, what is it to you?  Gross or hot, messy or clean, I...  I am just dumbfounded that anyone seriously gives two shiats about any of this.  In my book, anybody who loves someone else is way more awesome and lucky than someone who doesn't.  Awesome for loving someone.  Lucky for finding someone worth loving.  I'm sad for people that don't experience this, regardless of the genders, races, religions, or what have you.

Stop worrying about how other people do it, and love somebody.
 
2013-03-15 08:51:52 PM

Bane of Broone: Summoner101: Bane of Broone: alienated: spentmiles has certainly won troll of the day . well played.

This, though the outright disgust at the act is what lead me to believe it was a troll so not sure if well played or just gullible Farkers.

/whynotboth.jpg

At this point being trolled by spentmiles is like being trolled by MikeLowell.  His bites are well earned in spite of his notoriety.

That's some lofty praise right there. I am always delighted to see Mike's posts.


It's really the fact he's still getting bites after having been outed that's puts him in the same category. His shtick works, and, with being in on the joke, his shtick is pretty hilarious. Most trolls have one or the other, few do both.
 
2013-03-15 09:21:32 PM
Why does anyone have a reason to think that Warren isn't part native american besides her not looking like it?

Also, on a related note, people do realize that when a native american and a white person have children, the kids don't all come out looking native, right? It's not like when dark black people and white people have children and the african traits are apparent in the appearance of their descendants through several generations even if those descendants keep marrying more white people. Someone who is 1/4 native american and 3/4ths white can have blond hair and blue eyes and look totally white, and in the days of tanning being fashionable, even someone who is 1/2 may look white or european to people.
 
2013-03-15 09:50:32 PM

cman: I thought tribes were sovereign states.

Why would Michigan laws apply?


They don't.  That's kind of the point.
 
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