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2013-03-15 09:41:00 AM
If the University was hiring a professor to push liberal propaganda there would be outrage.

Of course, it could be fun to have such a class use it to show how the GOP line is a completely misguided and warped version of rational conservative thought.

/I know, all professors push a liberal agenda
//it's only because reality has a well know liberal bias.
 
2013-03-15 09:45:16 AM
i really don't like this whole 'colleges are librul' thing.  sometimes it seems that the GOP just hates education in general.
 
2013-03-15 09:46:51 AM
Conservative Thought and Policy: A Syllabus

Week One:
Tax Cuts
Week Two: We Highlight the Parts of "Atlas Shrugged" We Want to Quote in Our Yearbook
Week Three: Really, Tax Cuts
Week Four: How To Call Negroes and Lesser-American Illegals 'Racist' So It Makes Sense In Your Mind Because It's Not You That's Racist Because Abe Lincoln Was A Republican
Week Five: Spring Break
Week Six: Young Conservatives Bake Sale That Proves A Point About Affirmative Action, Which, By The Way, Martin Luther King Was Probably Against
Week Seven: How the GOP Can Convince Dingbat Broads That We're On Their Side
Week Eight: Did We Mention Tax Cuts?
Week Nine: Final Exam: Will consist of making a collage of pictures of Reagan and Jesus
 
2013-03-15 10:06:41 AM
Conservative Thought?  Is it a short course?
 
2013-03-15 10:10:17 AM
Selected readings for the course will include:

Mexicans and the New Social Compact: Deportation as Character Builder

When Not Calling Becomes Rape: An examination of how the ultra-feminist movement is trying to imprison all men

The Most Eminent Domain: A new look at the Kelo decision and its applicability toward a woman's uterus

Welcome to the Holocaust: An exploration of how "civil rights" legislation has put White people in America at the brink of extinction

It's (not) the Environment, Stupid: How environmentalists are the ones destroying the earth
 
2013-03-15 10:18:43 AM
Each class comes with a small hammer and an icepick.
 
2013-03-15 10:21:12 AM
Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-15 10:23:50 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?


No.  Conservative is the name of a political movement.
 
2013-03-15 10:24:06 AM
He'll be a big hit in Boulder.
 
2013-03-15 10:27:56 AM

EvilEgg: If the University was hiring a professor to push liberal propaganda there would be outrage Tuesday.

 
2013-03-15 10:28:28 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?


Not exactly.  Actually it's more like, "change for change's sake is bad", which as we have seen over the the past 50 years has proven true.  More careful consideration of the changes we make in society leads to fewer incidents of having to backtrack because something didn't work out or had unintended consequences that outweigh the advantages.
 
2013-03-15 10:29:01 AM
"We want students to have a chance to understand a conservative, free-enterprise approach to public policy," Mr. Wright said. "I think it's underrepresented on the campus."

Uh, I'm pretty sure every university offers this approach. It's usually called the college of business.
 
2013-03-15 10:29:57 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: He'll be a big hit in Boulder.


And meanwhile, nothing will change the mind of the rural Colorado kids who go to CSU because they just couldn't handle all the hippies at CU.

\Not to say that CSU isn't a good school, but I have heard this so many times.
 
2013-03-15 10:31:43 AM
You'd think conservatives would be selected by the Free Market to teach their ideology, if anybody actually wanted them to.  It's a shame that they rely on affirmative action in order to subvert the Free Market for their personal gain, at the cost of innocent, American taxpayers.
 
2013-03-15 10:31:58 AM

hdhale: Actually it's more like, "change for change's sake is bad", which as we have seen over the the past 50 years has proven true.


You're going to have to expound on that one a bit. What changes over the last 50 years do you deem to have been made solely "for change's sake"?
 
2013-03-15 10:34:42 AM

vpb: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?

No.  Conservative is the name of a political movement.


Depends entirely on whether you are using the big 'C' or the little 'c'.  Even the Conservative Movement isn't anything even remotely monolithic, as there are people who are fiscal conservatives, but Libertarian or Liberal on social issues, people who are social conservatives and fiscal conservatives, even people who are socially conservative but supporters of big government (a typical member of MADD).
 
2013-03-15 10:35:08 AM

qorkfiend: hdhale: Actually it's more like, "change for change's sake is bad", which as we have seen over the the past 50 years has proven true.

You're going to have to expound on that one a bit. What changes over the last 50 years do you deem to have been made solely "for change's sake"?


Civil rights, women's rights, workers' rights, gay rights, ... so much evil "change for change's sake".
 
2013-03-15 10:35:59 AM

hdhale: Actually it's more like, "change for change's sake is bad", which as we have seen over the the past 50 years has proven true.


[citation needed]
 
2013-03-15 10:39:21 AM
Molavian: EvilEgg: If the University was hiring a professor to push liberal propaganda there would be outrage Tuesday Econ.
 
2013-03-15 10:40:39 AM
To emulate conservative thought simply figure out what a greedy corporation or organized religion would want a mob of poorly educated sheep to believe.

"The is no global warming (because it would cost me money)."

To emulate liberal thought simply figure out what a bunch of emotionally stunted control freaks would want a mob of over educated, status conscious sheep to believe.

"Yes, the 27 degrees my parent's paid for really DO make me smarter than you despite the fact that I still suck at everything."


Unfortunately,  It really is that simple.
 
2013-03-15 10:42:58 AM
i had some conservative professors. there are a lot more conservative opinions in university, they're just not as loud about their opinions.

/ yet, i don't deny that the majority leans liberal.
// once i got to law school, the number of conservative professors increased rather dramatically.  and i went to a hippy communist jesuit law school.  i mean, we had to study poor people law.  lots of it.  and do things for the poor.  legal things.
 
2013-03-15 10:43:15 AM

hdhale: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?

Not exactly.  Actually it's more like, "change for change's sake is bad", which as we have seen over the the past 50 years has proven true.  More careful consideration of the changes we make in society leads to fewer incidents of having to backtrack because something didn't work out or had unintended consequences that outweigh the advantages.


Conservatism doesn't conserve much of anything. Employment (in this country...), constitutional protections against presidential overreach, people having homes.
 
2013-03-15 10:43:19 AM

EvilEgg: If the University was hiring a professor to push liberal propaganda there would be outrage.


That's kind of like saying "why isn't there a White Entertainment Nework".
 
2013-03-15 10:46:35 AM
The made up position is, naturally, the first of its kind anywhere, and is entirely funded by donations from concerned conservative citizens like Denver banker Earl Wright.

Am I the only one who lol'd at this?
 
2013-03-15 10:48:32 AM
So it is about 15 mins long including reading the syllabus?
 
2013-03-15 10:51:32 AM

Thisbymaster: So it is about 15 mins long including reading the syllabus?


The prayer to St. Reagan takes a while.
 
2013-03-15 10:53:12 AM
Textbook:
Ch. 1 - Biblical arguments against interracial marriage - it's Armageddon!
Ch. 2 - Burying opposition to interracial marriage when it is no longer politically convenient.
Ch. 3 - Biblical arguments against gay marriage - Re-read Ch. 1 and replace "interracial" with "gay".
Ch. 4 - Burying opposition to interracial marriage when it is no longer politically convenient - Not yet!
 
2013-03-15 10:56:06 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Thisbymaster: So it is about 15 mins long including reading the syllabus?

The prayer to St. Reagan takes a while.


and requires a teleprompter.
 
2013-03-15 10:57:24 AM
Yellow Sprinkles on Your Cupcake: How Trickle-Down Really Works
 
2013-03-15 10:59:54 AM
Right wing nuts think everyone in the MIDDLE is a "liberal".
 
2013-03-15 11:03:21 AM
I work at CU, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

The last two presidents of the university have been very conservative, and this position is the brainchild of the former, who had been a senator with an (R) after his name. The position is privately funded, so while we complain about this kind of partisan crap, there's no real wrong-doing here (other than hypocrisy. Affermative action for some, little American flags for others!) The University only gets something like 3-5% of its operating budget from the state anymore, so once it goes fully private we can dump this kind of "both sides" crap and be as we want to be, which is more liberal arts/science, less animal husbandry than CSU.
 
2013-03-15 11:04:11 AM
Affirmative action strikes again.
 
2013-03-15 11:05:43 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?


Traditionally, yes.  Recently it's more a call to return to the halcyon days of the 1950s when the US was preeminent while the rest of the world was either a bombed out husk or primitive backwaters and women and minorities knew their place.
 
2013-03-15 11:07:38 AM
rational thought does not belong in a daycare
if yer young and not lib you have no heart
if yer older and not conservative you gots no grey matter

this will certainly elicit rational conversation
 
2013-03-15 11:09:36 AM

astro716: I work at CU, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

The last two presidents of the university have been very conservative, and this position is the brainchild of the former, who had been a senator with an (R) after his name. The position is privately funded, so while we complain about this kind of partisan crap, there's no real wrong-doing here (other than hypocrisy. Affermative action for some, little American flags for others!) The University only gets something like 3-5% of its operating budget from the state anymore, so once it goes fully private we can dump this kind of "both sides" crap and be as we want to be, which is more liberal arts/science, less animal husbandry than CSU.


Unfortunately that would take amending the state constitution. It is retarded that state voters get to dictate CUs policy when they don't want to fund them.
 
2013-03-15 11:11:19 AM
There's actually a fairly large body of conservative thought that is not derp. I cover it briefly, along with liberal thought, in my class. Buckley and Goldwater are the bulwarks.
 
2013-03-15 11:11:41 AM
I assume this will be some sort of theoretical class as there are so few actual conservatives to study...
 
2013-03-15 11:12:17 AM

Mentat: Conservative Thought?  Is it a short course?


Don't know, but you definitely take a short bus to get there.
 
2013-03-15 11:13:15 AM

Begoggle: Right wing nuts think everyone in the MIDDLE is a "liberal".


If you're not then you're an idiot.
 
2013-03-15 11:15:30 AM
Should've called it Conservative Reasoning and Policy so the course abbreviation would have been CRAP.
 
2013-03-15 11:19:56 AM

Zagloba: Molavian: EvilEgg: If the University was hiring a professor to push liberal propaganda there would be outrage Tuesday Econ.


Really?  Have you visited the University of Chicago recently?  Or how about the University of Florida where the university gave the right to choose econ professors to the Koch Brothers in exchange for donations?
 
2013-03-15 11:24:09 AM
I've had more than my share of politically conservative professors over the years in various state schools. They were on the whole, quite good and helpful. They helped me sharpen my own critiquing abilities, perhaps more then the liberal ones. The students that I have had over time who identified themselves as conservatives have been really good ones too...they don't just buy my framing of literary and conceptual issues but they care enough to challenge them too. And I think that's great. The problem I have is that there are already courses covering political and philosophical thought at UCBoulder:

==
PSCI 3054: American Political Thought

Highlights the development of American political theories and ideas from colonial period to present. Can also be taken for American field credit. Recommended prereq., PSCI 2004. Approved for arts and sciences core curriculum: United States context or ideals and values. Prerequisites: Restricted to students with 27-180 credits (Sophomore, Junior or Senior) only.

==

PSCI: 3092 : Comparative Political Economy:

Presents theories on the interaction between policies and economics, economic models of politics, and familiarizes students with an approach that will prove useful in understanding current developments in both economics and politics. Explores relationships between financial markets, currency regimes, and politics with some special consideration of the behavioral foundations of political and economic developments. Prereq., PSCI 2012.


==
PSCI 3171 - Government and Capitalism in the United States

Examines competing theoretical approaches to questions related to origins, development, and purposes of modern government in the United States; particular attention paid to impact of transformations in the underlying structure of the capitalist economy. Prereq., PSCI 1101. Approved for arts and sciences core curriculum: United States context.

==

PHIL 2200 : Major Social Theories

Introductory study of major philosophies of the past in relation to political, economic, and social issues. Approved for arts and sciences core curriculum: ideals and values.


==
PHIL 3200: Social and Political Philosophy

Systematic discussion and analysis of such philosophic ideas as community, freedom, political power, and violence. Prereq., 6 hours of philosophy course work. Approved for arts and sciences core curriculum: ideals and values. Prerequisites: Restricted to students with 27-180 credits (Sophomore, Junior or Senior) only.

==

A course focusing  surveying and comparing conservative political and philosophical thought would be fine. It might might be more appropriate for a Special Topics seminar, depending on how its taught. But it could be a good one. I'd be interested to look at Mr. Hayward's syllabus.
 
2013-03-15 11:27:05 AM
Conservatives are terrorists. Put them in a cage.
 
2013-03-15 11:29:02 AM

Somacandra: A course focusing surveying and comparing conservative political and philosophical thought would be fine. It might might be more appropriate for a Special Topics seminar, depending on how its taught. But it could be a good one. I'd be interested to look at Mr. Hayward's syllabus.


A course critically examining conservative thought with a good amount of academic rigor would be a good thing. I doubt that this course will do that.
 
2013-03-15 11:39:20 AM

FARK rebel soldier: Conservatism doesn't conserve much of anything. Employment (in this country...), constitutional protections against presidential overreach, people having homes.


Conservatives don't even conserve the environment.
Frankly all it looks like conservatives wish to conserve is white, male privilege.
 
2013-03-15 11:40:44 AM

hitlersbrain: Unfortunately, It really is that simple.


Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.
 
2013-03-15 11:41:54 AM

Begoggle: Right wing nuts think everyone in the MIDDLE is a "liberal".


That's cos they think THEY are the "middle".

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-15 11:49:02 AM

It would be an interesting class if, in fact, it took an objective approach to conservative thought and policy, and left plenty of room for honest critique and investigation.

Unfortunately, you can sum up the motivation behind conservative thought and policy in a single, simple word:


Greed.


I don't really think there is anything else guiding them, and it's no coincidence that the least educated and most intellectually dishonest among us happen to be the conservatives' most ardent supporters.  They're greedy for power, money, and status, and anything that provides an obstacle to that is immediately declared "liberal" or "foreign" or "socialist" or "anti-Jesus."  They are simple toadies looking to be rewarded for kissing the asses of those in power because they lack the ability to think critically for themselves.

It would be entertaining if it existed in any other nation.  The fact that it's allowed to exist here is disheartening.  We used to be better than that.
 
2013-03-15 11:51:43 AM
Headline made me think of think of this for some reason:

http://youtu.be/AxlvKA6ipvs
 
2013-03-15 11:52:54 AM

HallsOfMandos: Headline made me think of think of this for some reason:

http://youtu.be/AxlvKA6ipvs


Probabaly NSFW - sorry, should have marked it as such
 
2013-03-15 11:56:41 AM

Graffito: Frankly all it looks like conservatives wish to conserve is white, male privilege.


My experience says not even that.
 
2013-03-15 11:59:02 AM

Somacandra: I've had more than my share of politically conservative professors over the years in various state schools. They were on the whole, quite good and helpful. They helped me sharpen my own critiquing abilities, perhaps more then the liberal ones. The students that I have had over time who identified themselves as conservatives have been really good ones too...they don't just buy my framing of literary and conceptual issues but they care enough to challenge them too. And I think that's great. The problem I have is that there are already courses covering political and philosophical thought at UCBoulder:

==
PSCI 3054: American Political Thought

Highlights the development of American political theories and ideas from colonial period to present. Can also be taken for American field credit. Recommended prereq., PSCI 2004. Approved for arts and sciences core curriculum: United States context or ideals and values. Prerequisites: Restricted to students with 27-180 credits (Sophomore, Junior or Senior) only.
==

PSCI: 3092 : Comparative Political Economy:

Presents theories on the interaction between policies and economics, economic models of politics, and familiarizes students with an approach that will prove useful in understanding current developments in both economics and politics. Explores relationships between financial markets, currency regimes, and politics with some special consideration of the behavioral foundations of political and economic developments. Prereq., PSCI 2012.

==
PSCI 3171 - Government and Capitalism in the United States

Examines competing theoretical approaches to questions related to origins, development, and purposes of modern government in the United States; particular attention paid to impact of transformations in the underlying structure of the capitalist economy. Prereq., PSCI 1101. Approved for arts and sciences core curriculum: United States context.
==

PHIL 2200 : Major Social Theories

Introductory study of major philosophies of the past ...


I have conservative students as well... they think for themselves and don't buy into the Tea Tard derp B.S. I can appreciate that, actually.
 
2013-03-15 12:00:20 PM

Molavian: EvilEgg: If the University was hiring a professor to push liberal propaganda there would be outrage Tuesday.


Without admitting that they do all push a liberal agenda ( I don't think they do).  It's not in their job description to do so.
 
2013-03-15 12:04:29 PM

hitlersbrain: Unfortunately, It really is that simple.


So... vote Republican?
 
2013-03-15 12:15:59 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Graffito: Frankly all it looks like conservatives wish to conserve is white, male privilege.

My experience says not even that.


Yeah. There are plenty of poor white males. You can argue that they're still better off than other groups, but you can't argue that Republicans care about them even though they're the party's base.
 
2013-03-15 12:16:50 PM
For those that aren't doing well and need to drop the class, will they be getting a Dubya?

/eh? eh?
 
2013-03-15 12:23:26 PM
to be fair, this is what is happening in the psychiatric profession. damn egghead smart people are so smart that it makes people mad who visit them for therapy. so for every 100 accredited shrinks, one is straight from the nuthouse, but they have such an extensive vocabulary that you can only tell when they keep having sex with their patients.
 
2013-03-15 12:38:48 PM

Mentat: Really? Have you visited the University of Chicago recently? Or how about the University of Florida where the university gave the right to choose econ professors to the Koch Brothers in exchange for donations?


I probably should have also FTFY'ed "liberal" to "neoliberal" for clarity there.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-03-15 12:47:24 PM
The phrase "conservative thought" is an oxymoron, like "jumbo shrimp", "Iowa City" or "Republican leadership."
 
2013-03-15 12:49:41 PM

pute kisses like a man: i had some conservative professors. there are a lot more conservative opinions in university, they're just not as loud about their opinions.

/ yet, i don't deny that the majority leans liberal.
// once i got to law school, the number of conservative professors increased rather dramatically.  and i went to a hippy communist jesuit law school.  i mean, we had to study poor people law.  lots of it.  and do things for the poor.  legal things.


i.imgur.com

Smart people are more likely to get advanced degrees or become employed in academia. Who knew?
 
2013-03-15 12:50:15 PM
I'm a super lefty hippie liberal, but I would take this course. I would like to understand conservative thought a little better. I would also probably enjoy debating with the professor. :)
 
2013-03-15 12:58:19 PM
They don't have classes that discuss 'Nineteen Eighty-Four' already?
 
2013-03-15 01:09:30 PM

Queensowntalia: I'm a super lefty hippie liberal, but I would take this course. I would like to understand conservative thought a little better. I would also probably enjoy debating with the professor. :)


You can't debate willful ignorance and confirmation bias.

There is real andsubstantive debate to be had with a real conservative type person.  People like this are basically robots programmed to spew the same talking points with little or nothing to back it up.  Just go take a look at the heritage foundation "on the issues".

http://www.heritage.org/issues

It's almost satire in how stereotypical it is.
 
2013-03-15 01:16:18 PM
So they are adding courses in historical fiction?
 
2013-03-15 01:17:50 PM

BunkoSquad: Conservative Thought and Policy: A Syllabus

Week One: Tax Cuts
Week Two: We Highlight the Parts of "Atlas Shrugged" We Want to Quote in Our Yearbook
Week Three: Really, Tax Cuts
Week Four: How To Call Negroes and Lesser-American Illegals 'Racist' So It Makes Sense In Your Mind Because It's Not You That's Racist Because Abe Lincoln Was A Republican
Week Five: Spring Break
Week Six: Young Conservatives Bake Sale That Proves A Point About Affirmative Action, Which, By The Way, Martin Luther King Was Probably Against
Week Seven: How the GOP Can Convince Dingbat Broads That We're On Their Side
Week Eight: Did We Mention Tax Cuts?
Week Nine: Final Exam: Will consist of making a collage of pictures of Reagan and Jesus


So how did we just mysteriously make the "temporary" Bush tax cuts for Billionaires a permanent feature of our tax code instead of allowing them to finally expire?

You know, what with the Democrats controlling the Senate and the White House.

All they had to do was sit on their ass and do nothing, and the Bush tax cuts would expire all by themselves.

Instead, they ran around screaming "OMG Fiscal Cliff!" and then worked with the Republicans to make them PERMANENT.

From now on, Billionaires pay less taxes as a percentage than the working poor making only 35K a year and this will NEVER expire.

Tax cuts for Billionaires are entirely bipartisan, because the obscenely wealthy OWN both parties.

Now Obama is taking every freaking chance he gets to tell Republicans he's willing to knife the social safety net programs only a few weeks after he preserved the freaking Bush tax cuts.

/Grrrrr...
 
2013-03-15 01:17:53 PM

SilentStrider: Philip Francis Queeg: Thisbymaster: So it is about 15 mins long including reading the syllabus?

The prayer to St. Reagan takes a while.

and requires a teleprompter.


Yea though I walk through the Valley of the shadow of Democtrats
I will fear no Evil for Regan is with me.
 
2013-03-15 01:23:25 PM

Mentat: Conservative Thought?  Is it a short course?


It's an elective.
 
2013-03-15 01:44:54 PM

BunkoSquad: Conservative Thought and Policy: A Syllabus

Week One: Tax Cuts
Week Two: We Highlight the Parts of "Atlas Shrugged" We Want to Quote in Our Yearbook
Week Three: Really, Tax Cuts
Week Four: How To Call Negroes and Lesser-American Illegals 'Racist' So It Makes Sense In Your Mind Because It's Not You That's Racist Because Abe Lincoln Was A Republican
Week Five: Spring Break
Week Six: Young Conservatives Bake Sale That Proves A Point About Affirmative Action, Which, By The Way, Martin Luther King Was Probably Against
Week Seven: How the GOP Can Convince Dingbat Broads That We're On Their Side
Week Eight: Did We Mention Tax Cuts?
Week Nine: Final Exam: Will consist of making a collage of pictures of Reagan and Jesus


You forgot to add a lesson where they attack Lincoln as not a REAL conservative and as a major tyrant who tried to destroy America and was a dictator who deserved to get shot.
 
2013-03-15 01:51:47 PM
It's nice to see that conservatives are being helped out as a minority in universities. Minorities need to be protected sometimes.
 
2013-03-15 01:54:51 PM

Weaver95: i really don't like this whole 'colleges are librul' thing.  sometimes it seems that the GOP just hates education in general.


There's always a couple departments that are really off the charts and one or two schools that are really out there, which is what the GOP uses to justify "liberal schools".  I'm sure even as I type this, Women's Studies at Berkley is doing something pants on the head retarded.  In reality though the entire College of Engineering at many schools tends to lean conservative.  The Republicans just hate them because engineers can do math and thus tend to laugh at many of their economic ideas.

/when I was in college I took an interesting class on political movements and one interesting fact was engineers tend to be more likely to be extremist since we're trained that there is always an optimal way to do things, so there much be an optimal way to run society
 
2013-03-15 01:56:57 PM

BullBearMS: BunkoSquad: Conservative Thought and Policy: A Syllabus

Week One: Tax Cuts
Week Two: We Highlight the Parts of "Atlas Shrugged" We Want to Quote in Our Yearbook
Week Three: Really, Tax Cuts
Week Four: How To Call Negroes and Lesser-American Illegals 'Racist' So It Makes Sense In Your Mind Because It's Not You That's Racist Because Abe Lincoln Was A Republican
Week Five: Spring Break
Week Six: Young Conservatives Bake Sale That Proves A Point About Affirmative Action, Which, By The Way, Martin Luther King Was Probably Against
Week Seven: How the GOP Can Convince Dingbat Broads That We're On Their Side
Week Eight: Did We Mention Tax Cuts?
Week Nine: Final Exam: Will consist of making a collage of pictures of Reagan and Jesus

So how did we just mysteriously make the "temporary" Bush tax cuts for Billionaires a permanent feature of our tax code instead of allowing them to finally expire?

You know, what with the Democrats controlling the Senate and the White House.

All they had to do was sit on their ass and do nothing, and the Bush tax cuts would expire all by themselves.

Instead, they ran around screaming "OMG Fiscal Cliff!" and then worked with the Republicans to make them PERMANENT.

From now on, Billionaires pay less taxes as a percentage than the working poor making only 35K a year and this will NEVER expire.

Tax cuts for Billionaires are entirely bipartisan, because the obscenely wealthy OWN both parties.

Now Obama is taking every freaking chance he gets to tell Republicans he's willing to knife the social safety net programs only a few weeks after he preserved the freaking Bush tax cuts.

/Grrrrr...


c'mon dude... you didnt expect the stuff you quoted with a trolltastic headline like this one?
 
2013-03-15 01:57:16 PM

BullBearMS: From now on, Billionaires pay less taxes as a percentage than the working poor making only 35K a year and this will NEVER expire.


Prove it.
 
2013-03-15 01:57:51 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Week Six: Young Conservatives Bake Sale That Proves A Point About Affirmative Action, Which, By The Way, Martin Luther King Was Probably Against


Random CSB:
My daughter said their College Dems swarmed one of those bake sales early with minority customers, bought everything cheaply, then set up a stand and resold it at a profit to prove Democrats are stronger on economic issues.
 
2013-03-15 01:58:48 PM

Nutsac_Jim: BullBearMS: From now on, Billionaires pay less taxes as a percentage than the working poor making only 35K a year and this will NEVER expire.

Prove it.


At least he's updated his trolling since the last time he went off in a politics thread.
 
2013-03-15 02:04:11 PM

BunkoSquad: Conservative Thought and Policy: A Syllabus

Week One: Tax Cuts
Week Two: We Highlight the Parts of "Atlas Shrugged" We Want to Quote in Our Yearbook
Week Three: Really, Tax Cuts
Week Four: How To Call Negroes and Lesser-American Illegals 'Racist' So It Makes Sense In Your Mind Because It's Not You That's Racist Because Abe Lincoln Was A Republican
Week Five: Spring Break
Week Six: Young Conservatives Bake Sale That Proves A Point About Affirmative Action, Which, By The Way, Martin Luther King Was Probably Against
Week Seven: How the GOP Can Convince Dingbat Broads That We're On Their Side
Week Eight: Did We Mention Tax Cuts?
Week Nine: Final Exam: Will consist of making a collage of pictures of Reagan and Jesus


Nicely done.
 
2013-03-15 02:37:04 PM

trotsky: I have conservative students as well... they think for themselves and don't buy into the Tea Tard derp B.S. I can appreciate that, actually.


It's almost as if there's this propaganda system making people buy into lies and falsehoods.

As pointed out above, the higher someone's IQ is, the more likely they are going to be liberal thinking. That's not to say that smart conservatives don't exist, but intelligent people tend to go against the norms of society (hence also why intelligent people tend to be nightowls, for instance).

I'll happily have a thoughtful discussion with someone, who is conservative, as long as they don't try to lie to me (which they do not, if they aren't teatards).
 
2013-03-15 02:39:29 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Unfortunately that would take amending the state constitution. It is retarded that state voters get to dictate CUs policy when they don't want to fund them.


Then reject their money.
 
2013-03-15 02:40:57 PM

Nutsac_Jim: BullBearMS: From now on, Billionaires pay less taxes as a percentage than the working poor making only 35K a year and this will NEVER expire.

Prove it.


What do you mean, "prove it"? You can't look up freaking tax rates by yourself?

Billionaires pay 20% on Capital Gains which makes up the vast majority of their income.

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate.

This is the result of all that OMG FISCAL CLIFF bullshiat from a coupe of weeks ago. If we had "gone over the cliff" the "temporary" Bush tax cuts would have expired.
 
2013-03-15 02:41:17 PM
Conservative Thought (in the United States, at least) is an oxymoron.
 
2013-03-15 02:43:41 PM

BullBearMS: What do you mean, "prove it"? You can't look up freaking tax rates by yourself?

Billionaires pay 20% on Capital Gains which makes up the vast majority of their income.

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate.

This is the result of all that OMG FISCAL CLIFF bullshiat from a coupe of weeks ago. If we had "gone over the cliff" the "temporary" Bush tax cuts would have expired.


Maybe they pay 20% maybe they dont.  It would depend on how much of their income was capital gain.  Where did you get 20% from?

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate

Show me one person making 35k that pays 25% tax net rate.
 
2013-03-15 02:46:38 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Unfortunately that would take amending the state constitution. It is retarded that state voters get to dictate CUs policy when they don't want to fund them.

Then reject their money.


Uh, you misunderstand.  The constitution ensures that the university is treated as a fourth branch of government with elected regents, even if the university gets $0 from the state.
 
2013-03-15 02:48:05 PM

Nutsac_Jim: BullBearMS: What do you mean, "prove it"? You can't look up freaking tax rates by yourself?

Billionaires pay 20% on Capital Gains which makes up the vast majority of their income.

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate.

This is the result of all that OMG FISCAL CLIFF bullshiat from a coupe of weeks ago. If we had "gone over the cliff" the "temporary" Bush tax cuts would have expired.

Maybe they pay 20% maybe they dont.  It would depend on how much of their income was capital gain.  Where did you get 20% from?

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate

Show me one person making 35k that pays 25% tax net rate.


Show you any single person paying their taxes this year?

dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-03-15 03:01:31 PM
Conservative "thought" and "philosophy" really just boils down to loading your arguments with a bunch of unfounded assumptions.

That's pretty much the difference between "liberally biased" mainstream media and "fair and balanced" conservative media. "Fair and balanced" reporting relies on assumptions like "Government can't do anything right" and "Liberalism has a 100% rate of failure everywhere it's been tried" as the foundation of all it's arguments.

Conservative thought falls apart because it can never be disproven or changed. Even if you show a conservative an instance where government has done something efficiently, they will continue structuring all their arguments around the idea that anything the government does is inherently worse than if the private sector was handling it.

Any argument made without similar underlying assumptions is automatically discounted. If it's not ideologically pure, it's liberally biased, and anything liberally biased is wholly without merit.
 
2013-03-15 03:13:23 PM

BullBearMS: Nutsac_Jim: BullBearMS: What do you mean, "prove it"? You can't look up freaking tax rates by yourself?

Billionaires pay 20% on Capital Gains which makes up the vast majority of their income.

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate.

This is the result of all that OMG FISCAL CLIFF bullshiat from a coupe of weeks ago. If we had "gone over the cliff" the "temporary" Bush tax cuts would have expired.

Maybe they pay 20% maybe they dont.  It would depend on how much of their income was capital gain.  Where did you get 20% from?

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate

Show me one person making 35k that pays 25% tax net rate.

Show you any single person paying their taxes this year?

[dl.dropbox.com image 360x226]


Are you the guy who said he never takes the standard deduction?
 
2013-03-15 03:18:23 PM

ha-ha-guy: Nutsac_Jim: BullBearMS: From now on, Billionaires pay less taxes as a percentage than the working poor making only 35K a year and this will NEVER expire.

Prove it.

At least he's updated his trolling since the last time he went off in a politics thread.


It's not like the Democrats didn't know that allowing the obscenely wealthy to pay taxes at a lower rate than the working poor was a problem. They talked about it all the time during the last election cycle.

However, when the time came to actually do something about it and let the Bush tax cuts finally expire, they suddenly started screaming OMG FISCAL CLIFF!!! instead.

Then they made the tax cuts they campaigned against permanent.

dl.dropbox.com

Now, Obama is running around talking up taking a knife to the social safety net programs only weeks after they made the Bush tax cuts for freaking Billionaires permanent.

President Barack Obama told Senate Democrats that they should be open to changes in entitlement programs to achieve a long-term budget deal, according to several lawmakers who attended a meeting with him on Capitol Hill today.

Fark that noise.
 
2013-03-15 04:07:33 PM

BullBearMS: Billionaires pay 20% on Capital Gains which makes up the vast majority of their income.

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate.

This is the result of all that OMG FISCAL CLIFF bullshiat from a coupe of weeks ago. If we had "gone over the cliff" the "temporary" Bush tax cuts would have expired.

Maybe they pay 20% maybe they dont.  It would depend on how much of their income was capital gain.  Where did you get 20% from?

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate

Show me one person making 35k that pays 25% tax net rate.

Show you any single person paying their taxes this year?


You said that people making 35k pay 25% tax.

Show me ONE person paying that rate.
 
2013-03-15 04:16:45 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Show me ONE person paying that rate.


How about you show some freaking backbone and not defend the Democratic leadership talking up slashing Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid within weeks of saving the "temporary" Bush tax cuts for Billionaires from expiring?

dl.dropbox.com

What the fark is wrong with having the sainted "Job Creators" pay at the same taxes on the same rate scale as anyone else? Why should their rate top out at 20%?

Oh, wait... They own both parties, so they don't have to pay their fair share of taxes.
 
2013-03-15 04:20:13 PM

BullBearMS: Then they made the tax cuts they campaigned against permanent.


You do realize the Democrats campaigned against making the tax cuts for upper-income earners permanent, right? And that they've wanted to preserve or expand the lower-income cuts while ending those for higher earners? Which ended up being precisely what they did?

No, of course you don't.
 
2013-03-15 04:32:09 PM
So, Milton Friedman's Chicago School has a satellite campus in Colorado?
 
2013-03-15 04:36:19 PM

qorkfiend: You do realize the Democrats campaigned against making the tax cuts for upper-income earners permanent, right?


Of course they campaigned against the Bush tax cuts. Lying politicians lie. In 2008 Obama claimed those tax cuts offended his very conscious.

They just did the exact opposite of what they claimed to stand for when the time came to let the Bush tax cuts finally expire. The first time they should have expired, in 2010, they renewed them for two years.

This time, instead of just renewing them, they made them permanent.
 
2013-03-15 04:47:37 PM

Nutsac_Jim: BullBearMS: Billionaires pay 20% on Capital Gains which makes up the vast majority of their income.

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate.

This is the result of all that OMG FISCAL CLIFF bullshiat from a coupe of weeks ago. If we had "gone over the cliff" the "temporary" Bush tax cuts would have expired.

Maybe they pay 20% maybe they dont.  It would depend on how much of their income was capital gain.  Where did you get 20% from?

The working poor, making around 35K a year pay at a 25% tax rate

Show me one person making 35k that pays 25% tax net rate.

Show you any single person paying their taxes this year?

You said that people making 35k pay 25% tax.

Show me ONE person paying that rate.


You're not going to find someone paying 25% income tax, which is what you're trolling for here. But add in FICA and Medicare, and sales taxes, which are regressive, and you get 25% NET tax. NET is the word you dropped when you tried to restate the statement as a question.
 
2013-03-15 04:53:05 PM
www.washingtonpost.com

(from  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why- t he-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/)

So saying 25% for $35k is slightly overstating things, but not as much as the conclusion you would draw from this bottom line, since those are $20k/yr bins, and $35k/yr is on the high end of that.
 
2013-03-15 05:06:21 PM

astro716: [www.washingtonpost.com image 564x357]

(from  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why- t he-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/)

So saying 25% for $35k is slightly overstating things, but not as much as the conclusion you would draw from this bottom line, since those are $20k/yr bins, and $35k/yr is on the high end of that.


If somebodies defense of tax breaks for Billionaires is that the working poor don't pay at exactly the rate on the published tax schedule, then there is something seriously wrong with them.

Are we claiming that the Billionaires aren't taking advantage of tax loopholes to pay lower than their scheduled 20% rate?

You know, we actually have a couple of tax returns for the those obscenely wealthy few who ran for president. Neither Romney nor Kerry paid in anywhere near their scheduled tax rate.

But let's hear more distractions about all those huge tax loopholes for the working poor.

We certainly want to ignore the fact that right after we made damn sure to save the tax cut for Billionaires we are working to knife the social safety net programs for the poor.
 
2013-03-15 05:10:30 PM
So, tell me...which version of "Conservatism" are they going to teach? Is it the fiscal Conservatism of Eisenhower, the intellectual Conservatism of Buckley or the pants-on-head crazy version we have now? Just curious...
 
2013-03-15 05:17:26 PM

BullBearMS: How about you show some freaking backbone


When someone asks for numbers/proof, you'd better farking show it them. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite every time you open your mouth and demand proof whenever a Republican says something retarded.

I don't want you on my side. Go join the Republicans.
 
2013-03-15 05:22:49 PM

James F. Campbell: BullBearMS: How about you show some freaking backbone

When someone asks for numbers/proof, you'd better farking show it them. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite every time you open your mouth and demand proof whenever a Republican says something retarded.

I don't want you on my side. Go join the Republicans.


This must be cross posted to Politics, because I can't remember the last thread that had this many of the Politics tab Democratic party shills show up to defend the party doing something that not only is absolutely wrong, but is the exact opposite of what they claimed they would do when they ran for office.
 
2013-03-15 05:24:13 PM

BullBearMS: astro716: [www.washingtonpost.com image 564x357]

(from  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why- t he-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/)

So saying 25% for $35k is slightly overstating things, but not as much as the conclusion you would draw from this bottom line, since those are $20k/yr bins, and $35k/yr is on the high end of that.

If somebodies defense of tax breaks for Billionaires is that the working poor don't pay at exactly the rate on the published tax schedule, then there is something seriously wrong with them.

Are we claiming that the Billionaires aren't taking advantage of tax loopholes to pay lower than their scheduled 20% rate?

You know, we actually have a couple of tax returns for the those obscenely wealthy few who ran for president. Neither Romney nor Kerry paid in anywhere near their scheduled tax rate.

But let's hear more distractions about all those huge tax loopholes for the working poor.

We certainly want to ignore the fact that right after we made damn sure to save the tax cut for Billionaires we are working to knife the social safety net programs for the poor.


I don't understand how this follow from my post.
 
2013-03-15 05:26:44 PM

BullBearMS: This must be cross posted to Politics, because I can't remember the last thread that had this many of the Politics tab Democratic party shills show up to defend the party doing something that not only is absolutely wrong, but is the exact opposite of what they claimed they would do when they ran for office.


I'm not a Democratic party shill, you flaming sack of dog crap. When someone asks for proof, show it to them, you farking hypocrite. Don't make claims you can't back up. You're no better than conservatives when you do that shiat.
 
2013-03-15 05:29:11 PM

James F. Campbell: BullBearMS: This must be cross posted to Politics, because I can't remember the last thread that had this many of the Politics tab Democratic party shills show up to defend the party doing something that not only is absolutely wrong, but is the exact opposite of what they claimed they would do when they ran for office.

I'm not a Democratic party shill, you flaming sack of dog crap. When someone asks for proof, show it to them, you farking hypocrite. Don't make claims you can't back up. You're no better than conservatives when you do that shiat.


Did you not notice where I posted links to the two tax rates prior to that? Or are you just going for personal attacks?
 
2013-03-15 05:35:01 PM

astro716: don't understand how this follow from my post.


I'm not saying that you are one of the people claiming that only the working poor are paying less than their published tax rate.

I'm commenting on the people who are ignoring that the obscenely wealthy don't pay their published rate either. They also are the ones who can afford a staff of tax accountants, something the working poor do not have access to.
 
2013-03-15 05:35:42 PM

BullBearMS: James F. Campbell: BullBearMS: This must be cross posted to Politics, because I can't remember the last thread that had this many of the Politics tab Democratic party shills show up to defend the party doing something that not only is absolutely wrong, but is the exact opposite of what they claimed they would do when they ran for office.

I'm not a Democratic party shill, you flaming sack of dog crap. When someone asks for proof, show it to them, you farking hypocrite. Don't make claims you can't back up. You're no better than conservatives when you do that shiat.

Did you not notice where I posted links to the two tax rates prior to that? Or are you just going for personal attacks?


Dude, I posted a plot backing up your assertion and you jump on me for defending tax breaks for billionaires. You're all over the map here. BothSidesAreBadSoCrazyGoNuts!
 
2013-03-15 05:38:56 PM
BullBearMS: Did you not notice where I posted links to the two tax rates prior to that?

No, actually, I missed it.
 
2013-03-15 05:45:19 PM

astro716: Dude, I posted a plot backing up your assertion and you jump on me for defending tax breaks for billionaires. You're all over the map here. BothSidesAreBadSoCrazyGoNuts!


Again, I'm commenting on the people who are making the claim that setting the tax rate for the working poor at lower percentage than Billionaires pay is perfectly fine, because the working poor don't pay exactly that rate.

I'm not jumping on you for anything. Thanks for finding the chart.

Heck, the post you just responded to wasn't even in reply to anything you said. dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-03-15 06:15:42 PM
Wonder who drew the short straw and has to teach that?
 
2013-03-15 07:19:48 PM

EvilEgg: If the University was hiring a professor to push liberal propaganda there would be outrage.


Are you new to this conservative/liberal derp? There's outrage when the IDEA that professors are pushing liberal propaganda starts up, even when it's unfounded.
 
2013-03-15 07:57:23 PM
fark that noise.

What universities need now is active censorship and careful management of class topics. We have a responsibility to make universities turn out healthy, well-adjusted people and having a course on conservatism isn't going to help that.
 
2013-03-15 08:35:16 PM
Liberal bias, in this case, means "facts," doesn't it?

/and in every other case...
 
2013-03-15 09:13:17 PM
I had an American History professor that was an unabashed Reaganite.  Nice guy, knew his stuff, but he couldn't help giggling when we reached the fall of the Soviet Union.
 
2013-03-16 08:15:23 AM

hdhale: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?

Not exactly.  Actually it's more like, "change for change's sake is bad", which as we have seen over the the past 50 years has proven true.  More careful consideration of the changes we make in society leads to fewer incidents of having to backtrack because something didn't work out or had unintended consequences that outweigh the advantages.


Yes, we've all seen the horror of becoming a wealthy global superpower.

I'm glad the Republicans won't stand for it.
 
2013-03-16 01:16:44 PM

trotsky: There's actually a fairly large body of conservative thought that is not derp. I cover it briefly, along with liberal thought, in my class. Buckley and Goldwater are the bulwarks.


Buckley?  You mean, Mr. "ermagerd mah wife died from life-long cigarette smoking!  Forget all that free will stuff I talked about all my life, and ban cigarettes NOW!!!!"
 
2013-03-16 02:58:11 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?


As a broad generalization, Progressives think that the past was worse than today and the future will be better.  They see history as progress towards an more enlightened society, hence the name "Progressive."  Conservatives, on the other hand, think that the that the past was better than today and the future will be worse.    They see history as a downwards slide towards selfishness, hedonism and decadence: hence the name "Conservative,"  trying to conserve as much of what was good about the past as possible.

Of course this is a very  broad generalization, and I'm sure that there are all kinds of exceptions, but I daresay it's got some truth to it.

So yes, in a way, Conservatives think that change is bad unless it's going back to the way things were.
 
2013-03-16 04:03:53 PM

FARK rebel soldier: hdhale: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Isn't conservative thought basically, "Status quo is good, stick to your guns, change is bad"?

Not exactly.  Actually it's more like, "change for change's sake is bad", which as we have seen over the the past 50 years has proven true.  More careful consideration of the changes we make in society leads to fewer incidents of having to backtrack because something didn't work out or had unintended consequences that outweigh the advantages.

Conservatism doesn't conserve much of anything. Employment (in this country...), constitutional protections against presidential overreach, people having homes.


There's an interesting book by Stephanie Coontz titled  The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap.  Essentially when we talk about what life was like in the USA back in the 1950s, it's a mythological, idealized past quite different from historical reality.

Conservatives are indeed trying to conserve something.  The question is, how much of what they are trying to conserve ever actually existed?

To be fair, one can, of course, point out ways in which the Progressive model of the past is flawed, as well.
 
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