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(CNN)   A woman has spent 22 years on death row because a perfectly honest cop swore to a jury that the man who killed her child also implicated her in the killing. Except he wasn't perfectly honest, and the prosecutor knew it, and told nobody   (cnn.com) divider line 640
    More: Asinine, Armando Saldate, United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, Arizona, death row, Circuit Court of Appeals  
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2013-03-15 09:36:10 AM
the cops are not our friends.
 
2013-03-15 09:42:44 AM

Weaver95: the cops are not our friends.


I'll go a step further and say they are often our enemies.
 
2013-03-15 09:47:02 AM

Krymson Tyde: Weaver95: the cops are not our friends.

I'll go a step further and say they are often our enemies.


if placed under arrest, the ONLY thing you should say is 'I want a lawyer'.  nothing else.  don't explain, don't comment, don't sign anything.  say 'I want a lawyer' and STFU.  don't talk to your cell mate, don't mouth off, don't talk about your situation to anyone other than your lawyer.
 
2013-03-15 09:51:42 AM

Weaver95: the cops are not our friends.


My mother is a cop.
I have specific and keen insight into how cops think.

The cops are not your friends.
 
2013-03-15 09:52:54 AM
It seems like if she had had a better lawyer, she wouldn't have been convicted in the first place.
 
2013-03-15 09:58:04 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how the typical teabagger will be pro-death penalty while at the same time cry about how government can't do anything right.  Why would you be for letting the government kill our fellow citizens if you can't have an infallible system?  Isn't that lack of infallibility why you're against welfare, Social Security, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, etc.?
 
2013-03-15 10:02:14 AM
Nancy Grace will be outraged when she hears about this.
 
2013-03-15 10:02:26 AM

SlothB77: It seems like if she had had a better lawyer, she wouldn't have been convicted in the first place.


there is clear evidence that the cops LIED under oath and the prosecutor knew it.  I don't care how good your lawyer is....that's one hell of a set up to beat.
 
2013-03-15 10:03:25 AM
this is the number-one argument against capital punishment: "beyond a reasonable doubt" may be an appropriate standard for a reversible punishment, but it is not an appropriate standard for an irreversible one such as death (or castration or amputation, etc.).
 
2013-03-15 10:03:52 AM
My theory on all this (and I agree with everything said so far) is that without a cop union, cops would be pretty much unemployable. Its only because of the union that the cops get to keep their nice angry attitudes about everyone else, and shoot peoples dogs without provocation, and above all else lie under oath and in their police reports, knowing full well no matter how much they fabricate or distort the truth, a nice strong cop union will be there to back them up and point the finger at the public instead.

I don't hate cops, but I deeply want them to be reformed into what they could be, an ally in society, rather than what they mostly are, a corrupt and criminal organization with the rules written in their favor every time.
 
2013-03-15 10:04:14 AM

wxboy: Nancy Grace will be outraged when she hears about this.


one of the things that keeps me going in life is knowing that today could be the day that karma shows up to biatch slap Nancy Grace and that I might be there to see it.
 
2013-03-15 10:04:55 AM
A cop lying under oath should carry a very severe sentence. This guy had done it before and was still a cop.

It's not just death penalty cases that we should worry about either. Check out the case of Timothy Masters. He got life and spent nearly a decade in prison. He finally got a multi-million dollar settlement, but the charges against the cop who helped convict him were just dropped earlier this year.
 
2013-03-15 10:09:17 AM

SlothB77: It seems like if she had had a better lawyer, she wouldn't have been convicted in the first place.


Yes, it's all her fault the cop lied.
 
2013-03-15 10:28:53 AM

wxboy: Nancy Grace will be outraged when she hears about this.


How would we know that she's become outraged?
 
2013-03-15 10:49:10 AM
She needs to be handed one bullet for each of the years that she has spent in prison & she can chose how to divide them up & which body parts to shoot first of the cop & prosecutor (& potentially the judge if he knew about the cop's record of lying under oath & let his unsubstantiated accusations go through without any counter argument).  With good aim she can put them in enough pain that it feels like 22 years before they finally bleed out.  I just can't comprehend how either of them could look at themselves in the mirror after knowing what they did.  Sociopaths however probably get off on it.

It absolutely sickens me that as a father of three I've had to pound into my kids heads over & over & over again that the police are NOT their friends & that they are not to talk to them nor let them into the house for ANY reason.  They all have my lawyer's # in their phones with instructions to call him at the first sign of the police wanting anything other than a speeding ticket (he's also a family friend & their kids are here often so it isn't that odd). If it has gotten so bad out there that dorky middle class white guys in the suburbs are telling their kids that now, I can't imagine the resentment & anger of minorities who've put up with this crap for generations.  I'm starting to though.  The police & justice system as a whole really need to clean up their act.  We're still at the point where they can do it themselves.  However if the 'police are not your friends' lecture keeps creeping up the income charts, it could get really ugly when the people with real power have to start doing it.
 
2013-03-15 10:52:28 AM
ouch.

Big fat settlement and some other people get to feel what jail is like.


I'd have to say that being a DA or a cop in prison wont be fun.
 
2013-03-15 10:56:55 AM
Be sure to avoid children who say "I have my daddy's lawyer's phone number on speed dial".
 
2013-03-15 10:59:25 AM

Weaver95: Krymson Tyde: Weaver95: the cops are not our friends.

I'll go a step further and say they are often our enemies.

if placed under arrest, the ONLY thing you should say is 'I want a lawyer'.  nothing else.  don't explain, don't comment, don't sign anything.  say 'I want a lawyer' and STFU.  don't talk to your cell mate, don't mouth off, don't talk about your situation to anyone other than your lawyer.


Wish that were the case in NSW, Australia, where our state government recently watered down rights to silence. A judge can now instruct the Jury how to take your silence. What a joke.

Your words are fundamentally correct though. Don't say a single word. Cops are not your friends. They will sweet talk anything they can out of you to use against you in court. No matter how much you think you're saving yourself or that your protestations of innocence are being heard; they're NOT.
 
2013-03-15 11:00:52 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ouch.

Big fat settlement and some other people get to feel what jail is like.


I'd have to say that being a DA or a cop in prison wont be fun.


See thats the thing, the criminal justice system is never held accountable or financially accountable for this stuff. Its always a big settlement to the victim that comes out of general revenue funds, meanwhile the mayor keeps slurping the cop unions knob full time and the crooked cops and prosecutors roll merrily on, the cops protected by the union, the prosecutor by now having run for office and is in congress.
 
2013-03-15 11:23:42 AM
Of course this was in Arizona.
 
2013-03-15 11:24:24 AM
One more reason only cops should have guns.
 
2013-03-15 11:24:31 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'd have to say that being a DA or a cop in prison wont be fun.


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Virgil Caine agrees.
 
2013-03-15 11:27:32 AM

SlothB77: It seems like if she had had a better lawyer, she wouldn't have been convicted in the first place.


Yes but Phoenix Wright was disbarred at the time. Con Karma was acting with impunity.
 
2013-03-15 11:28:30 AM

Weaver95: the cops are not our friends.


And prosecutors only care about convictions, not justice.
 
2013-03-15 11:28:34 AM
Ok, so where is this Saldate man now? Is he still in LE?
 
2013-03-15 11:29:37 AM
As long as  mostpeople sentenced to death are really guilty, then it's still worth it, right?
 
2013-03-15 11:30:49 AM
Not gonna lie, as soon as I got out I'd find the cop and kill him. fark it, everything is over anyway.
 
2013-03-15 11:32:10 AM

snuff3r: Weaver95: Krymson Tyde: Weaver95: the cops are not our friends.

I'll go a step further and say they are often our enemies.

if placed under arrest, the ONLY thing you should say is 'I want a lawyer'.  nothing else.  don't explain, don't comment, don't sign anything.  say 'I want a lawyer' and STFU.  don't talk to your cell mate, don't mouth off, don't talk about your situation to anyone other than your lawyer.

Wish that were the case in NSW, Australia, where our state government recently watered down rights to silence. A judge can now instruct the Jury how to take your silence. What a joke.

Your words are fundamentally correct though. Don't say a single word. Cops are not your friends. They will sweet talk anything they can out of you to use against you in court. No matter how much you think you're saving yourself or that your protestations of innocence are being heard; they're NOT.


People take it like they're you're enemy, but that's not right.  They have a job, and their job is to take people that do wrong off the streets, but because they're in the public eye they need results, so just like the sales rep who can't sell yachts because of the recession, they're going to apply all the pressure they can to get results.  Friends? No.  Enemies? No.  Just another person trying to do their high pressure job.  Know the law and know your protections and use them to your advantage, just like they use them to their advantage.

/yes there are bad eggs, bad eggs are the exception and exist in every walk of life
 
2013-03-15 11:32:15 AM
Put the cop and the prosecutor on death row and don't let either of them have any appeals. And televise their executions. That's the only way to make it right.

/also, 1990 was 22 years ago? fark I feel old...
 
2013-03-15 11:32:35 AM
All necessary to preserve the greater good
 
2013-03-15 11:33:21 AM
Never ever ever get into a he said/she said with law enforcement. You will lose.
 
2013-03-15 11:33:37 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Of course this was in Arizona.


Coulda been in the exoneration capital of the world (Texas) too.

Tomorrow it probably will be.

And then there's this little matter of over 5,000 drug cases that are about to get overturned because of a dirty crime lab:

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2013/03/thousands-of-drug-case s- may-be.html

Welcome to Texas.  Now go home.  (Unless we throw you in jail first.)
 
2013-03-15 11:34:07 AM
I wonder how much longer until our resident cop drops by to defend his ilk.
 
2013-03-15 11:34:18 AM

NickBush24: Put the cop and the prosecutor on death row and don't let either of them have any appeals. And televise their executions. That's the only way to make it right.

/also, 1990 was 22 years ago? fark I feel old...


I think death row is isolated.  They should spend some time in gen pop.
 
2013-03-15 11:34:26 AM
I thought cops were supposed to help white women.
 
2013-03-15 11:34:56 AM
oh my god, this is so sad.
 
2013-03-15 11:35:07 AM

FlashHarry: this is the number-one argument against capital punishment: "beyond a reasonable doubt" may be an appropriate standard for a reversible punishment, but it is not an appropriate standard for an irreversible one such as death (or castration or amputation, etc.).


This is the number one argument against capital punishment for a single crime.

The only time we ever hear of an innocent person being convicted and their death sentence eventually overturned is when it's a one-off like this.  There are more than enough criminals out there who've committed multiple acts of murder, rape, and other serious crimes to justify having capital punishment as a potential sentence.
 
2013-03-15 11:35:44 AM
How exactly is this woman going to reclaim her life? no job history,no savings, no nothing...Good luck getting any job if you spent decades in prison (even if you are proven innocent).Some serious financial compensation is in order.
 
2013-03-15 11:36:00 AM
Prosecutors in this country have far too much power and far too little oversight.

This woman had nearly half of her life taken stolen from her. Will there be consequences for the people responsible? Not a chance.
 
2013-03-15 11:36:05 AM
Ug. Her original arrest photo just broke my heart:

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-03-15 11:36:09 AM
I think the cop who lied should be charged with attempted murder.
 
2013-03-15 11:36:49 AM
In my younger days I was in favor of the death penalty. shiat like this changed my mind though.

Also changed my opinion of the "justice" system.
 
2013-03-15 11:36:56 AM
FYI - the article says there was no recording of what happened in the interrogation / interview room. That is BS. Everything is recorded. If there is no recording you should ASSUME what the cop said happened is NOT TRUE. Here are the bad actors in the case:

DA - pursued a capital murder trial against a woman without evidence. Testimony of an officer which just so happens to not have been recorded in room that everything is recorded is a massive tip-off that something is wrong.
Grand Jury - allowed this prosecution based solely upon hearsay
Judge - accepted said testimony and didn't dismiss the case based since there was no other direct evidence
Jury - not one member of the jury questioned the suspicious testimony
Defense attorney - seriously, how do you lose this one
Arizona - maybe the deck was stacked from the start. My brother-in-law is doing a mandatory 8 year sentence in AZ because he was pulled over and his girlfriend's gun was found in the car (in the girlfriend's purse in the trunk) and because he was on parole (for fraud) he got hammered for eight years!
 
2013-03-15 11:37:01 AM

Generation_D: My theory on all this (and I agree with everything said so far) is that without a cop union, cops would be pretty much unemployable. Its only because of the union that the cops get to keep their nice angry attitudes about everyone else, and shoot peoples dogs without provocation, and above all else lie under oath and in their police reports, knowing full well no matter how much they fabricate or distort the truth, a nice strong cop union will be there to back them up and point the finger at the public instead.


I don't think there's a cop union in my state, it's a Right to Work state.  But it doesn't seem to matter....nothing ever comes of any kind of litigation against the police.  They basically do what they want with no worry of prosecution.

/from my cousin who was a cop...loved to tell stories about how they constantly lie to IA to cover each other
//mixed in with the usual "we beat the crap outta this guy" or "if you run you're gonna end up in the hospital" kinda stories
 
2013-03-15 11:37:03 AM
For those who have not seen the don't talk to cops videos. Watch and learn. the cops are  not your friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE
 
2013-03-15 11:37:37 AM

Weaver95: the cops are not our friends.


Until you need one.  Then they are your best buddies.
 
2013-03-15 11:37:55 AM

Recoil Therapy: She needs to be handed one bullet for each of the years that she has spent in prison & she can chose how to divide them up & which body parts to shoot first of the cop & prosecutor (& potentially the judge if he knew about the cop's record of lying under oath & let his unsubstantiated accusations go through without any counter argument).  With good aim she can put them in enough pain that it feels like 22 years before they finally bleed out.  I just can't comprehend how either of them could look at themselves in the mirror after knowing what they did.  Sociopaths however probably get off on it.

It absolutely sickens me that as a father of three I've had to pound into my kids heads over & over & over again that the police are NOT their friends & that they are not to talk to them nor let them into the house for ANY reason.  They all have my lawyer's # in their phones with instructions to call him at the first sign of the police wanting anything other than a speeding ticket (he's also a family friend & their kids are here often so it isn't that odd). If it has gotten so bad out there that dorky middle class white guys in the suburbs are telling their kids that now, I can't imagine the resentment & anger of minorities who've put up with this crap for generations.  I'm starting to though.  The police & justice system as a whole really need to clean up their act.  We're still at the point where they can do it themselves.  However if the 'police are not your friends' lecture keeps creeping up the income charts, it could get really ugly when the people with real power have to start doing it.


If you have a lawyer on speed dial I question your membership in the middle class.

Not obecting to anything else you said, note.
 
2013-03-15 11:37:59 AM

SlothB77: It seems like if she had had a better lawyer, she wouldn't have been convicted in the first place.


I dont know what this comment is supposed to mean. You're blaming her for this?
 
2013-03-15 11:38:32 AM
And here's Mr. Armando Saldate:

www.arizona-death-penalty-injustice-schurz.org
 
2013-03-15 11:38:46 AM

NickBush24: also, 1990 was 22 years ago? fark I feel old...


Something I saw a few days ago.  That 70's Show has a 22 year gap between it's airdate and the date of the show - 1998 to 1976.  So if that show was aired today, it would take place in 1991.
 
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