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(io9)   First the government stockpiles ammo, then tanks, and now small pox vaccines? What do they know that the public doesn't? And does it involve zombies?   (io9.com) divider line 36
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2013-03-15 09:14:10 AM  
Stockpiling vaccine for a virulent disease? What is this world coming to?
 
2013-03-15 09:23:21 AM  
1 - this is a repeat

2 - we've been stockpiling small pox vaccine for a long time now.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-15 09:31:24 AM  
Wasn't this news in about 2002?

Maybe we should duct tape our houses.
 
2013-03-15 09:47:46 AM  

vpb: Maybe we should duct tape our houses.


I vote for this, that sounds like it could be fun.
 
2013-03-15 10:00:16 AM  
Considering that North Korea is on the verge of war with us and may or may not have access to biological weapons...I'm OK with this.
 
2013-03-15 10:19:17 AM  
Edward Jenner approves.
 
2013-03-15 10:24:00 AM  
I think the following is a good guideline for kids who are young teens and looking for direction:

Imagine the zombie apocalypse happens. 99% of the world goes Zombie. Somehow, you've made your way to the last human city - a massive self-sufficient district encircled by walls. Make your case for being admitted to this society. What useful skills can you bring to them? What positive habits have you cultivated? How much are you a drain on society? What future promise can you bring ?

Yes, almost all girls have the "uterus card" they can play ... making more people will be important, but in a crowd of a million women when they can only admin ten thousand, the admittees will be need to be able to bring more. Similarly , while men may be able to play the "brawn" card (fuel will be precious, and people who are strong are awesome when you have zero industrial base), again, you'll have to have something special to get in.

And both sexes will need to be able to divest themselves of destructive habits - anger issues, lust issues, drinking / drug issues - anything that could cause friction within the possibly small community. Leaders need to not only be able to orate, but demonstrate right living.  Youth will put you in good standing, but too much will mean that you will not be able to contribute as much, and will be a substantial burden on the community. Age unaccompanied by wisdom or mastery of a topic will almost certainly doom you.

so ... why should we let you into the last city of mankind?
 
2013-03-15 10:32:52 AM  

rubi_con_man: I think the following is a good guideline for kids who are young teens and looking for direction:

Imagine the zombie apocalypse happens. 99% of the world goes Zombie. Somehow, you've made your way to the last human city - a massive self-sufficient district encircled by walls. Make your case for being admitted to this society. What useful skills can you bring to them? What positive habits have you cultivated? How much are you a drain on society? What future promise can you bring ?

Yes, almost all girls have the "uterus card" they can play ... making more people will be important, but in a crowd of a million women when they can only admin ten thousand, the admittees will be need to be able to bring more. Similarly , while men may be able to play the "brawn" card (fuel will be precious, and people who are strong are awesome when you have zero industrial base), again, you'll have to have something special to get in.

And both sexes will need to be able to divest themselves of destructive habits - anger issues, lust issues, drinking / drug issues - anything that could cause friction within the possibly small community. Leaders need to not only be able to orate, but demonstrate right living.  Youth will put you in good standing, but too much will mean that you will not be able to contribute as much, and will be a substantial burden on the community. Age unaccompanied by wisdom or mastery of a topic will almost certainly doom you.

so ... why should we let you into the last city of mankind?


Everyone needs a massage during the apocalypse, right?

\it is stressful...
 
2013-03-15 10:41:02 AM  

bdub77: Considering that North Korea is on the verge of war with us and may or may not have access to biological weapons...I'm OK with this.


Ummm. You don't really believe this do you?
 
2013-03-15 10:47:02 AM  
What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.
 
2013-03-15 10:54:27 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.


The Russians have managed to recombine smallpox with a Guillain-Barre syndrome trigger.  Anyone that recovers from the smallpox infection is left with an immune system that attacks itself until the victim is completely paralyzed.

Sweet dreams.
 
2013-03-15 11:14:01 AM  

Benjamin Orr: bdub77: Considering that North Korea is on the verge of war with us and may or may not have access to biological weapons...I'm OK with this.

Ummm. You don't really believe this do you?


Crazy people do crazy sh*t. No I don't think it'll happen, but I'm happy that we're at least prepared for what could happen. Who says it'll even be NK? Could just be some crazy person who somehow got their hands on some smallpox virus.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.


This however is a scary possibility.
 
2013-03-15 11:19:16 AM  
www.global-air.com

Would you buy 500,000 plastic coffins just in case something might happen, or would you buy them because you know something is going to happen? (new window)
 
2013-03-15 11:21:00 AM  

rubi_con_man: I think the following is a good guideline for kids who are young teens and looking for direction:

Imagine the zombie apocalypse happens. 99% of the world goes Zombie. Somehow, you've made your way to the last human city - a massive self-sufficient district encircled by walls. Make your case for being admitted to this society. What useful skills can you bring to them? What positive habits have you cultivated? How much are you a drain on society? What future promise can you bring ?

Yes, almost all girls have the "uterus card" they can play ... making more people will be important, but in a crowd of a million women when they can only admin ten thousand, the admittees will be need to be able to bring more. Similarly , while men may be able to play the "brawn" card (fuel will be precious, and people who are strong are awesome when you have zero industrial base), again, you'll have to have something special to get in.

And both sexes will need to be able to divest themselves of destructive habits - anger issues, lust issues, drinking / drug issues - anything that could cause friction within the possibly small community. Leaders need to not only be able to orate, but demonstrate right living.  Youth will put you in good standing, but too much will mean that you will not be able to contribute as much, and will be a substantial burden on the community. Age unaccompanied by wisdom or mastery of a topic will almost certainly doom you.

so ... why should we let you into the last city of mankind?



If you prohibit getting drunk, I'm siding with the zombies.
 
2013-03-15 11:54:58 AM  
Where's a Juggalo to ask the obvious questions when you need one?

Oh, well. If you want anything done:

Government procurement, how the Fark does that work?
 
2013-03-15 12:11:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: BraveNewCheneyWorld: What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.

The Russians have managed to recombine smallpox with a Guillain-Barre syndrome trigger.  Anyone that recovers from the smallpox infection is left with an immune system that attacks itself until the victim is completely paralyzed.

Sweet dreams.


Citation?
 
2013-03-15 12:19:09 PM  
Wouldn't it be the government's job to prepare for every plausible scenario?

/devil's advocate
 
2013-03-15 12:31:33 PM  
"so ... why should we let you into the last city of mankind?"

Because if you don't I brought artillery from an abandoned military base and will shell the city into oblivion.
 
2013-03-15 12:40:29 PM  
Can we stop talking about zombies now?  It's old and busted.

/still not as bad as sparkly vampires
 
2013-03-15 12:52:11 PM  

Pharmdawg: Marcus Aurelius: BraveNewCheneyWorld: What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.

The Russians have managed to recombine smallpox with a Guillain-Barre syndrome trigger.  Anyone that recovers from the smallpox infection is left with an immune system that attacks itself until the victim is completely paralyzed.

Sweet dreams.

Citation?


"The Dead Hand" by David Hoffman.

Link

And an excerpt from the book
 
2013-03-15 01:09:29 PM  

bdub77: Benjamin Orr: bdub77: Considering that North Korea is on the verge of war with us and may or may not have access to biological weapons...I'm OK with this.

Ummm. You don't really believe this do you?

Crazy people do crazy sh*t. No I don't think it'll happen, but I'm happy that we're at least prepared for what could happen. Who says it'll even be NK? Could just be some crazy person who somehow got their hands on some smallpox virus.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.

This however is a scary possibility.


There is a pretty big difference between "somebody might use smallpox against the US" and "we are on the verge of war with NK"
 
2013-03-15 01:11:25 PM  
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2013-03-15 01:17:36 PM  

Benjamin Orr: bdub77: Benjamin Orr: bdub77: Considering that North Korea is on the verge of war with us and may or may not have access to biological weapons...I'm OK with this.

Ummm. You don't really believe this do you?

Crazy people do crazy sh*t. No I don't think it'll happen, but I'm happy that we're at least prepared for what could happen. Who says it'll even be NK? Could just be some crazy person who somehow got their hands on some smallpox virus.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.

This however is a scary possibility.

There is a pretty big difference between "somebody might use smallpox against the US" and "we are on the verge of war with NK"


The truth is no one really knows what's going on over there in Best Korea, least of all you. Most think it's a ploy to get aid and whatnot. That's a very good guess, but no one really knows, and the escalation in tension has not been good. Even China is getting worried. That is not a good thing. The fact that the US government has begun stockpiling the vaccine tells me they probably know more than you. Anyone in risk management knows that you manage uncertainty by mitigating the risk when at all possible.
 
2013-03-15 01:25:58 PM  
You know what else is scary? They've been stockpiling nuclear weapons since 1945 and building more and more airplanes since 1903. WHAT DO THEY KNOW THAT WE DONT!
 
2013-03-15 01:46:29 PM  

bdub77: Benjamin Orr: bdub77: Benjamin Orr: bdub77: Considering that North Korea is on the verge of war with us and may or may not have access to biological weapons...I'm OK with this.

Ummm. You don't really believe this do you?

Crazy people do crazy sh*t. No I don't think it'll happen, but I'm happy that we're at least prepared for what could happen. Who says it'll even be NK? Could just be some crazy person who somehow got their hands on some smallpox virus.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What's the point?  Anyone who has the resources to attack us in such a way has the resources to alter the virus in such a way as to make the vaccine ineffective.

This however is a scary possibility.

There is a pretty big difference between "somebody might use smallpox against the US" and "we are on the verge of war with NK"

The truth is no one really knows what's going on over there in Best Korea, least of all you. Most think it's a ploy to get aid and whatnot. That's a very good guess, but no one really knows, and the escalation in tension has not been good. Even China is getting worried. That is not a good thing. The fact that the US government has begun stockpiling the vaccine tells me they probably know more than you. Anyone in risk management knows that you manage uncertainty by mitigating the risk when at all possible.


Sigh. They have been "stockpiling" vaccines for a long time now. There is no way for NK to attack the continental US in any meaningful way.

The Red Dawn remake was not a documentary.
 
2013-03-15 02:16:36 PM  
So, how do I go about getting a smallpox vaccine?  It's not one of the ones my local Walgreens offers.
 
2013-03-15 02:34:28 PM  

FloydA: If you prohibit getting drunk, I'm siding with the zombies.


The tricky part is you have to let 'em bite you enough to get the infection, but then scurry off to hide so you can turn. If they get you while you're human and you just hang around, well, you can count on 'em devouring you, lock, stock, and barrel. And anus. So then you got nothing. Yes, the key to winning this game is to get the bite, then get to your shelter. And again, don't get locked in, or you miss all the fun. Nothing worse than turning zombie locked down in your bunker, then you just stand there, lunging at the door which you can no longer open because you're a mindless zombie and you've lost all power of reason which permits you to open the door. No damned good.

You'll just shamble around in there for years until the city grows and develops and breaks out to clean up the world. Then one day the door busts in and there they are with their hazmat armor and shotguns, making quick work of you and you've not been able to bite a single human. What's the point of that? None. So instead, make sure you climb up on a roof or into some back alley away from the rest of the zombie herd so you can undergo the transformation, then emerge from your hiding place all undead and ready to feast on the living. THEN it's party time. Like it's 1999. fark yeah.
 
2013-03-15 03:03:16 PM  

TV's Vinnie: olgnfs jghj! tjg gmhhd. ghnjrb;jgnfsnj . rhhonungnfs yhfsjdgfs fs gfshuihnbhdfg fsdjngh? gnjhdergjui!


Are you trying to summon Cthulhu?
 
2013-03-15 03:07:23 PM  
The vaccines are for the chosen ones in Government, the military, the affluent...
the coffins are for the rest of us.
 
2013-03-15 03:28:40 PM  

planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x200]

Would you buy 500,000 plastic coffins just in case something might happen, or would you buy them because you know something is going to happen? (new window)


I have yet to find a single comment that has a single grammatically correct sentence, and my faith in humanity is shattered.

Well played, sir.
 
2013-03-15 03:47:19 PM  

rubi_con_man: I think the following is a good guideline for kids who are young teens and looking for direction:

Imagine the zombie apocalypse happens. 99% of the world goes Zombie. Somehow, you've made your way to the last human city - a massive self-sufficient district encircled by walls. Make your case for being admitted to this society. What useful skills can you bring to them? What positive habits have you cultivated? How much are you a drain on society? What future promise can you bring ?

Yes, almost all girls have the "uterus card" they can play ... making more people will be important, but in a crowd of a million women when they can only admin ten thousand, the admittees will be need to be able to bring more. Similarly , while men may be able to play the "brawn" card (fuel will be precious, and people who are strong are awesome when you have zero industrial base), again, you'll have to have something special to get in.

And both sexes will need to be able to divest themselves of destructive habits - anger issues, lust issues, drinking / drug issues - anything that could cause friction within the possibly small community. Leaders need to not only be able to orate, but demonstrate right living.  Youth will put you in good standing, but too much will mean that you will not be able to contribute as much, and will be a substantial burden on the community. Age unaccompanied by wisdom or mastery of a topic will almost certainly doom you.

so ... why should we let you into the last city of mankind?


Several reasons:
I can fly a plane (Diamond DA20-C1 was the first I flew, most recent was a Piper Warrior 2).
I can shoot a 2 inch group at 1000 yards (.300 win mag).
I have a photographic memory and have committed a library's worth of knowledge to memory.
I live clean, with no major vices (or destructive habits as you say).
I am still in my prime at 26 years of age.
I have no diseases or health issues.
I have extensive knowledge of what plants and fungi are safe to eat (I grew up in the country with a dad who taught survival courses).
I have extensive computer hardware repair and systems/server administration experience.
I can make a good weld with an arc welder.

Did I make the cut?
 
2013-03-15 04:18:01 PM  
Those are plastic liners in which the coffins rest to keep them pristine. Yes they are sold to protect the coffin you are sticking into the ground. They sell these unnecessary items like embalming for the bodies being cremated.  If the government was looking for coffins they would be built with space saving in mind. The liners are too large for a single body and if you are going to put in multiple bodies it doesn't make sense to make so many smaller ones. The government boxes are likely reinforced cardboard with a hefty bag inside for containment and quick incineration.

For those that don't know, people die every second just like people are born every second. When the bodies die off we dispose of the bodies. Every second... think about how many bodies that is. 500,000 is nothing for a stockpile of coffin liners which get bought and sold with the usual mortuary services.

My great grandmother had one of these vaults/liners and we thought it was rather silly for the last in-ground real estate you're likely to buy. It's like folks were afraid she would get wet.
 
2013-03-15 04:49:57 PM  
They know it's cheaper to buy in bulk.
 
2013-03-15 05:56:30 PM  
Even though being eaten alive would be extremely painful, it would be over a lot quicker than smallpox.
 
2013-03-15 11:07:58 PM  

planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x200]

Would you buy 500,000 plastic coffins just in case something might happen, or would you buy them because you know something is going to happen? (new window)


Vantage Plactics, the Atlanta based company that produces these grave liners would like to thank everyone for the free publicity, and would ask you to stop taking pictures of their supply yard.

/FEMA doesn't stockpile anything. According to it's own charter, it's not allowed to do so.
 
2013-03-16 01:18:33 PM  
It won't be a small pox outbreak, if subby's mom has anything to do with it.
 
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