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2013-03-15 09:24:02 AM
So far so good. Membership is up and the anti second amendment legislation is moving about as fast as molasses.
 
2013-03-15 09:49:12 AM
wayne lapierre needs to die in a sea of flaming cocks.
 
2013-03-15 09:50:31 AM
Actually, the NRA's methodology for reporting its membership size is roughly equivalent to the methodology police officers use for reporting the street value of seized drugs. Therefore, the NRA's membership is approximately infinite.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-15 10:00:51 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So far so good. Membership is up and the anti second amendment legislation is moving about as fast as molasses.


There are a lot of dangerously crazy people out there.
 
2013-03-15 10:05:41 AM

vpb: There are a lot of dangerously crazy people out there.


And none of them are going to get any help until we stop focusing on the law abiding gun owners.
 
2013-03-15 10:08:58 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So far so good. Membership is up and the anti second amendment legislation is moving about as fast as molasses.


You're a LaPierre fan. Quelle surprise.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-15 10:13:15 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: vpb: There are a lot of dangerously crazy people out there.

And none of them are going to get any help until we stop focusing on the law abiding gun owners.


And the craziest of them all can't distinguish between assault weapon toting lunatics and law abiding gun owners.
 
2013-03-15 10:17:31 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So far so good. Membership is up and the anti second amendment legislation is moving about as fast as molasses.


That's okay, it's not a race. The laws will change and gun control will be more strict. It's only a matter of how and when.

The more you resist, the more draconian the laws will become when enacted. The moment Heller is overturned, the floodgates will open. If that's the point you wait to compromise, then there will be none.
 
2013-03-15 10:18:55 AM

Tigger: You're a LaPierre fan. Quelle surprise.


fan? I'm not sure I would use that word. I couldn't pick him out of a line up if I had a hundred bucks riding on it. I remember him saying that he would rather focus on mental health issues than more meaningless gun laws. I'm a fan of that. I'm not a big enough supporter to actually join the NRA so I guess I wouldn't use the word fan.

vpb: And the craziest of them all can't distinguish between assault weapon toting lunatics and law abiding gun owners.


Well you keep electing Democrats and that's what you get.
 
2013-03-15 10:28:20 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well you keep electing Democrats and that's what you get.


Speak for yourself. There are Republicans in the NYS Senate that voted for the stricter AWB here. Sometimes Republicans can be reasonable. Just, you know, not national ones.
 
2013-03-15 10:38:58 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Tigger: You're a LaPierre fan. Quelle surprise.

fan? I'm not sure I would use that word. I couldn't pick him out of a line up if I had a hundred bucks riding on it. I remember him saying that he would rather focus on mental health issues than more meaningless gun laws. I'm a fan of that. I'm not a big enough supporter to actually join the NRA so I guess I wouldn't use the word fan.

vpb: And the craziest of them all can't distinguish between assault weapon toting lunatics and law abiding gun owners.

Well you keep electing Democrats and that's what you get.


I see you've laid some beautiful pathway for your walkback later.

'it wasn't my guy I never really liked him no sir we hardly knew each other really.....'
 
2013-03-15 10:40:19 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Speak for yourself. There are Republicans in the NYS Senate that voted for the stricter AWB here. Sometimes Republicans can be reasonable. Just, you know, not national ones.


Reasonable aka agree fully with Democratics. Well I guess that's understandable. I think Democratics are only reasonable when they agree with Republicans.

So now that we have "reasonable" gun laws in the great state of New York we can sleep safely knowing that all the mental health patrons are well taken care off and the good citizenry don't have to worry about gun violence. All is right in New York.
 
2013-03-15 10:46:14 AM

Tigger: I see you've laid some beautiful pathway for your walkback later.

'it wasn't my guy I never really liked him no sir we hardly knew each other really.....'


I try to stay away from a cult of personality. Everyone is fallible and sometimes you have to make deals that you don't really want to make. I don't care who we are talking about they all have their good points and their bad. So I stand on the points that people make, not the people themselves.

I've never found anyone that I agree with 100%, have you?
 
2013-03-15 10:56:13 AM
Does the National Rifle Association take orders from the gun industry?

Is the Pope an Argentine?
 
2013-03-15 10:59:59 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cameroncrazy1984: Speak for yourself. There are Republicans in the NYS Senate that voted for the stricter AWB here. Sometimes Republicans can be reasonable. Just, you know, not national ones.

Reasonable aka agree fully with Democratics. Well I guess that's understandable. I think Democratics are only reasonable when they agree with Republicans.

So now that we have "reasonable" gun laws in the great state of New York we can sleep safely knowing that all the mental health patrons are well taken care off and the good citizenry don't have to worry about gun violence. All is right in New York.


You are aware that the AWB contained mental healthcare provisions, right? I mean, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so stupid.
 
2013-03-15 11:01:30 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cameroncrazy1984: Speak for yourself. There are Republicans in the NYS Senate that voted for the stricter AWB here. Sometimes Republicans can be reasonable. Just, you know, not national ones.

Reasonable aka agree fully with Democratics. Well I guess that's understandable. I think Democratics are only reasonable when they agree with Republicans.

So now that we have "reasonable" gun laws in the great state of New York we can sleep safely knowing that all the mental health patrons are well taken care off and the good citizenry don't have to worry about gun violence. All is right in New York.


So, drop attempts at gun control and go for universal health care, including expanded mental health testing and government-run facilities for the ill staffed by government employees?

I'm sure the Republicanians will totally go for that.
 
2013-03-15 11:06:02 AM

Lionel Mandrake: universal health care


I would go for that.
 
2013-03-15 11:12:05 AM

cameroncrazy1984: You are aware that the AWB contained mental healthcare provisions, right? I mean, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so stupid.


No I said that it was all taken care off. Didn't you read what I posted. We good. Sometimes you have to take the stupid (meaningless gun laws that only hurt the law abiding) to get the good stuff (help for those that need it).

Lionel Mandrake: So, drop attempts at gun control and go for universal health care, including expanded mental health testing and government-run facilities for the ill staffed by government employees?

I'm sure the Republicanians will totally go for that.



Oh yeah. Cut off the leg just to get rid of a broken ankle. People should just jump at the chance.
 
2013-03-15 11:13:43 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: No I said that it was all taken care off. Didn't you read what I posted. We good. Sometimes you have to take the stupid (meaningless gun laws that only hurt the law abiding) to get the good stuff (help for those that need it).


I'm a law-abiding gun owner and the law didn't hurt me at all. So, I don't know what you're talking about.
 
2013-03-15 11:14:01 AM
Remember kids, this is a grassroots organization and NOT an industry group.
 
2013-03-15 11:14:51 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cameroncrazy1984: You are aware that the AWB contained mental healthcare provisions, right? I mean, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so stupid.

No I said that it was all taken care off. Didn't you read what I posted. We good. Sometimes you have to take the stupid (meaningless gun laws that only hurt the law abiding) to get the good stuff (help for those that need it).

Lionel Mandrake: So, drop attempts at gun control and go for universal health care, including expanded mental health testing and government-run facilities for the ill staffed by government employees?

I'm sure the Republicanians will totally go for that.


Oh yeah. Cut off the leg just to get rid of a broken ankle. People should just jump at the chance.


Tell me when it's shift change please. Your flailing has tired me out.
 
2013-03-15 11:15:49 AM

cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well you keep electing Democrats and that's what you get.

Speak for yourself. There are Republicans in the NYS Senate that voted for the stricter AWB here. Sometimes Republicans can be reasonable. Just, you know, not national ones.


As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable and irrational, I do not understand how Republican support for it is relevant to your claim that some Republicans can be reasonable.
 
2013-03-15 11:16:58 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cameroncrazy1984: You are aware that the AWB contained mental healthcare provisions, right? I mean, otherwise you wouldn't have said something so stupid.

No I said that it was all taken care off. Didn't you read what I posted. We good. Sometimes you have to take the stupid (meaningless gun laws that only hurt the law abiding) to get the good stuff (help for those that need it).

Lionel Mandrake: So, drop attempts at gun control and go for universal health care, including expanded mental health testing and government-run facilities for the ill staffed by government employees?

I'm sure the Republicanians will totally go for that.


Oh yeah. Cut off the leg just to get rid of a broken ankle. People should just jump at the chance.


Expanding health care is the Worst Thing Ever!
 
2013-03-15 11:17:15 AM

Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable


Then how did it pass?
 
2013-03-15 11:17:34 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: vpb: There are a lot of dangerously crazy people out there.

And none of them are going to get any help until we stop focusing on the law abiding gun owners.


And I'll die of shock if the staunch gun rights advocates propose anything that actually helps the problem.  Because the problem in their mind is ZOMG! MY RIGHTS TO OWN A 30 ROUND MAG ARE BEING ATTACKED!

So, we have one group that actually does want to try to solve the problem (though, you and I would both argue that their measures aren't exactly the greatest) and the other group wants to whine like pussies.  Fine.  There is our status quo in a nutshell.  You might not like the gun control side, but at least they're trying to address the problem and not act like petulant children.
 
Bf+
2013-03-15 11:17:47 AM
Wayne Lapierre (NRA) is up now railing against background checks saying Chinese, Mexicans, and gang members will somehow find the list of gun responsible gun owners in order to attack them.  Oh, and he's used the terms "insane" and "crazy" about a dozen times.
 
2013-03-15 11:17:57 AM
Gun sales are up. That's all that matters to the NRA and the gun manufacturers. The killings are of no concern to them. Sandy Hook was the best thing that happened to the gun industry in years. They will remember it fondly.
 
2013-03-15 11:18:27 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable

Then how did it pass?


It passed the same way that all laws, reasonable and unreasonable, pass in any state in the United States of America.
 
2013-03-15 11:18:46 AM
Bidness is BOOMIN.
 
2013-03-15 11:19:33 AM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: So, drop attempts at gun control and go for universal health care, including expanded mental health testing and government-run facilities for the ill staffed by government employees?

I'm sure the Republicanians will totally go for that.


Oh yeah. Cut off the leg just to get rid of a broken ankle. People should just jump at the chance.


So you don't have any suggestions, you're just good at pointing out how stupid other people's ideas are.  Oh, good.  We really need people like you.
 
2013-03-15 11:20:02 AM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable

Then how did it pass?

It passed the same way that all laws, reasonable and unreasonable, pass in any state in the United States of America.


And you're the arbiter of what is reasonable and unreasonable?
 
2013-03-15 11:20:54 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable

Then how did it pass?

It passed the same way that all laws, reasonable and unreasonable, pass in any state in the United States of America.

And you're the arbiter of what is reasonable and unreasonable?


No.
 
2013-03-15 11:21:01 AM
Gun companies defer to the NRA for two main reasons: First, there's intimidation. The lobby group has incited potentially ruinous consumer boycotts against firearm makers that fail to follow the NRA line with sufficient zeal

The NRA bankrupted Smith & Wesson because S&W was *gasp* going to put an integrated lock on their revolvers.

The horror!
 
2013-03-15 11:22:01 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Gun companies defer to the NRA for two main reasons: First, there's intimidation. The lobby group has incited potentially ruinous consumer boycotts against firearm makers that fail to follow the NRA line with sufficient zeal

The NRA bankrupted Smith & Wesson because S&W was *gasp* going to put an integrated lock on their revolvers.

The horror!


You are correct. The National Rifle Association caused the bankruptcy of Smith and Wesson by telepathically forcing all firearm purchasers to not purchase Smith and Wesson brand firearms.
 
2013-03-15 11:22:36 AM

cameroncrazy1984: I'm a law-abiding gun owner and the law didn't hurt me at all. So, I don't know what you're talking about.


If you don't see an eroding of your second amendment rights as hurtful than I can't help you. You have a government (albeit state) telling you what you do and don't need based on scenarios and situations that have absolutely nothing to do with why the second amendment was created. But it's cool because you only duck hunt so you just need a shotgun with three rounds. After all the second amendment is all about duck hunting.

I say "you" is not intended to be you. Just a general you.. you got me?
 
2013-03-15 11:23:34 AM

Bf+: Wayne Lapierre (NRA) is up now railing against background checks saying Chinese, Mexicans, and gang members will somehow find the list of gun responsible gun owners in order to attack them.  Oh, and he's used the terms "insane" and "crazy" about a dozen times.


The NRA is the PETA of gun rights organizations minus the hot naked chicks.
 
2013-03-15 11:24:30 AM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable

Then how did it pass?

It passed the same way that all laws, reasonable and unreasonable, pass in any state in the United States of America.

And you're the arbiter of what is reasonable and unreasonable?

No.


So you're just another moe with a minority opinion.
 
2013-03-15 11:24:58 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Gun companies defer to the NRA for two main reasons: First, there's intimidation. The lobby group has incited potentially ruinous consumer boycotts against firearm makers that fail to follow the NRA line with sufficient zeal

The NRA bankrupted Smith & Wesson because S&W was *gasp* going to put an integrated lock on their revolvers.

The horror!


You can't protect your family from government tyrants and giant pigs with one of those!!1!
 
2013-03-15 11:25:08 AM

Dimensio: Marcus Aurelius: Gun companies defer to the NRA for two main reasons: First, there's intimidation. The lobby group has incited potentially ruinous consumer boycotts against firearm makers that fail to follow the NRA line with sufficient zeal

The NRA bankrupted Smith & Wesson because S&W was *gasp* going to put an integrated lock on their revolvers.

The horror!

You are correct. The National Rifle Association caused the bankruptcy of Smith and Wesson by telepathically forcing all firearm purchasers to not purchase Smith and Wesson brand firearms.


Oh look, you even play dumb too.
 
2013-03-15 11:25:17 AM

Fart_Machine: Bf+: Wayne Lapierre (NRA) is up now railing against background checks saying Chinese, Mexicans, and gang members will somehow find the list of gun responsible gun owners in order to attack them.  Oh, and he's used the terms "insane" and "crazy" about a dozen times.

The NRA is the PETA of gun rights organizations minus the hot naked chicks.


While I do not argue with your analogy, I will note that many gun control advocates do disagree with you, as if they believed your analogy to be viable then they would be in support of unregulated cockfighting, unregulated dogfighting and the elimination of all animal cruelty prohibitions.
 
2013-03-15 11:25:53 AM

Dimensio: Marcus Aurelius: Gun companies defer to the NRA for two main reasons: First, there's intimidation. The lobby group has incited potentially ruinous consumer boycotts against firearm makers that fail to follow the NRA line with sufficient zeal

The NRA bankrupted Smith & Wesson because S&W was *gasp* going to put an integrated lock on their revolvers.

The horror!

You are correct. The National Rifle Association caused the bankruptcy of Smith and Wesson by telepathically forcing all firearm purchasers to not purchase Smith and Wesson brand firearms.


Are you suggesting that the NRA asserts precisely zero influence over its members?
 
2013-03-15 11:26:12 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable

Then how did it pass?

It passed the same way that all laws, reasonable and unreasonable, pass in any state in the United States of America.

And you're the arbiter of what is reasonable and unreasonable?

No.

So you're just another moe with a minority opinion.


My name is not "moe".
 
2013-03-15 11:27:59 AM
Don't legislate my penis extensions guns! I need them to feel like a man fight tyranny and frighten the scary black people fight government oppression!
 
2013-03-15 11:28:16 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you don't see an eroding of your second amendment rights as hurtful than I can't help you.


The way I see it the number doesn't even matter. No one is happy about the evisceration of the Fourth, don't even DARE say the press should be stifled.
But the same people are against The Second? Pure emotion and no logic.
 
2013-03-15 11:28:34 AM

Pocket Ninja: Actually, the NRA's methodology for reporting its membership size is roughly equivalent to the methodology police officers use for reporting the street value of seized drugs. Therefore, the NRA's membership is approximately infinite.


And once again, I'm reminded why I favorited you.
 
2013-03-15 11:29:23 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cameroncrazy1984: I'm a law-abiding gun owner and the law didn't hurt me at all. So, I don't know what you're talking about.

If you don't see an eroding of your second amendment rights as hurtful than I can't help you. You have a government (albeit state) telling you what you do and don't need based on scenarios and situations that have absolutely nothing to do with why the second amendment was created. But it's cool because you only duck hunt so you just need a shotgun with three rounds. After all the second amendment is all about duck hunting.

Of course not.  It's for

protecting us from the government, right?  So you'll need some of these, too:

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.comencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Why have you let the 2nd Amendment erode to the point that law-abiding citizens can't have one?
 
2013-03-15 11:29:30 AM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable

Then how did it pass?

It passed the same way that all laws, reasonable and unreasonable, pass in any state in the United States of America.

And you're the arbiter of what is reasonable and unreasonable?

No.

So you're just another moe with a minority opinion.

My name is not "moe".


As you have demonstrated your dishonesty in the past, nothing you say can be taken seriously, moe. Furthermore and henceforth, something something something Heller v DC
 
2013-03-15 11:30:27 AM
Who cares...I need ammo more than I need more guns now anyway.
 
2013-03-15 11:30:34 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: As the "assault weapons ban" passed in New York was entirely unreasonable

Then how did it pass?

It passed the same way that all laws, reasonable and unreasonable, pass in any state in the United States of America.

And you're the arbiter of what is reasonable and unreasonable?

No.

So you're just another moe with a minority opinion.

My name is not "moe".

As you have demonstrated your dishonesty in the past, nothing you say can be taken seriously, moe. Furthermore and henceforth, something something something Heller v DC


Have you any rational commentary to offer, or is your use of irrelevant hyperbole and insults a consequence of you recognizing that you advocate a position lacking any intellectual merit?
 
2013-03-15 11:30:41 AM
Profits off gun sales is vastly more important to Americans than mass killings from gun sales.
 
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