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2013-03-15 04:16:22 PM

mekkab: pute kisses like a man: i always liked this cereal as a kid

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which is funny, because it's probably the worst for you and the most expensive.  and it really tries to pretend to be healthy.

it was DELISH.

/all cereal is expensive,  processed crap.  But that cracklin' oat bran... num num!


Most cereals are calorie bombs.  The generic brands though are fairly cheap.  Still you need watch portion size with basically all of them.
 
2013-03-15 04:25:37 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: No doubt the same moral struggle went on inside the Pop-Tart headquarters as they pondered the question of whether to put FROSTING on the product.

/glad they did
//still like unfrosted strawberry with melted butter on top.


You can melt butter on a pop tart? Holy freakin' moly.
 
2013-03-15 04:58:50 PM

AppleOptionEsc: CutBoard: At least back then, they still had the balls to call it was it. Now that the politico's have become involved, we're sure not wanting our to snowflakes eating anything with sugar in in it, such as sucrose, dextrose or other sweetners, that as I am aware of that supports life. Like it not we have to sugar in our diet, no matter where it comes from. Now, the parent's that keep feeding their chairbound snowflakes any type of sugars and then complain when their ass overrides the chair they're setting in, then maybe, they need to make a life change for themselves and their children. Get their fat asses up and moving, turn off the babysitting box and get their asses out into the yard.

/Love the fact I grew up in the former generation
//been locked out of the house numerouse times, just to get out of their hair and get some exercise
//didn't have these lard asses, because they actually got out of the house and did something

[old man yell


Yell at the old man all you want if it makes you fell better. It's not going to change the fact or face of science. If you want to let your kid's or grandkids grow up to be old crippled assed fat basterds, then by all means, you do that. You're the one that's going to have to live with my kid's and/or my grandkids kids are fat basterds because I didn't get them out of the house and do something besides set on their asses and play video games. Let's make sure that we don't have to deal with them and as long as they're down their not bothering people, then by  all means, keep them down there and let the blow up to hindenburg levels. Once they do, are you the one that take responsibility when their fat ass blow up, or better yet file suit for someone letting them blow up? No, you're not going to, you're going to say, it wasn't my fault or that is was someone else's fault.. The entire time you let them blow up like a cholesterol ballon, but hey, it's someone elses fault beside your own. Be sure to blame someone besides yourself.........lazy asses.
 
2013-03-15 05:02:32 PM

Shazam999: mekkab: pute kisses like a man: i always liked this cereal as a kid

[img1.findthebest.com image 220x341]

which is funny, because it's probably the worst for you and the most expensive.  and it really tries to pretend to be healthy.

it was DELISH.

/all cereal is expensive,  processed crap.  But that cracklin' oat bran... num num!

Most cereals are calorie bombs.  The generic brands though are fairly cheap.  Still you need watch portion size with basically all of them.


that's why I try to stay healthy and limit my breakfast to eggs benedict.  hmm... two poached eggs and an egg yolk in the freshly made hollandaise (with some sweet cream butter and scurvy fighting lemon juice), slab of pork (to make sure my brain remains strong enough to combat cultbased mind control takeover), muffins (just because you need something to collect the yolk, don't want to lose all the health advantages in the yolk)....

it's a super light, great way to start the day.  sometimes I go extra healthy and put a little basil leaf on top.

i made eggs benedict so frequently (at one point in time in my life, everyday) that my wife just calls it the "<insert my real name here>".

/ sounds fat
// opposite is true: struggles to keep weight on.
 
2013-03-15 05:09:57 PM
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"It's not grown, it's mined!"
 
2013-03-15 05:17:38 PM

pute kisses like a man: Shazam999: mekkab: pute kisses like a man: i always liked this cereal as a kid

[img1.findthebest.com image 220x341]

which is funny, because it's probably the worst for you and the most expensive.  and it really tries to pretend to be healthy.

it was DELISH.

/all cereal is expensive,  processed crap.  But that cracklin' oat bran... num num!

Most cereals are calorie bombs.  The generic brands though are fairly cheap.  Still you need watch portion size with basically all of them.

that's why I try to stay healthy and limit my breakfast to eggs benedict.  hmm... two poached eggs and an egg yolk in the freshly made hollandaise (with some sweet cream butter and scurvy fighting lemon juice), slab of pork (to make sure my brain remains strong enough to combat cultbased mind control takeover), muffins (just because you need something to collect the yolk, don't want to lose all the health advantages in the yolk)....

it's a super light, great way to start the day.  sometimes I go extra healthy and put a little basil leaf on top.

i made eggs benedict so frequently (at one point in time in my life, everyday) that my wife just calls it the "<insert my real name here>".

Healthy, breakfast.

However feeding your kids anything that they want, isn't what this started as.
This started out as "iron" in the blood" thread and it went way
beyond this.

You want to feed your fat assed kids what they want and don't make them get out of the house and exercise, that's your problem. Don't try to feed it to us, that your kids are fat because they are that way, just does't play. Get them away from the xbox, Wiii and others and put their asses outside. You've only to blame their asses on yourself.

 
2013-03-15 05:19:35 PM

CutBoard: You want to feed your fat assed kids what they want and don't make them get out of the house and exercise, that's your problem. Don't try to feed it to us, that your kids are fat because they are that way, just does't play. Get them away from the xbox, Wiii and others and put their asses outside. You've only to blame their asses on yourself.


Fark me, a year on Fark and you still struggle with properly responding to people.
 
2013-03-15 05:25:34 PM

Shazam999: CutBoard: You want to feed your fat assed kids what they want and don't make them get out of the house and exercise, that's your problem. Don't try to feed it to us, that your kids are fat because they are that way, just does't play. Get them away from the xbox, Wiii and others and put their asses outside. You've only to blame their asses on yourself.

Fark me, a year on Fark and you still struggle with properly responding to people.

/yep you're right, you can tell the morans the real truth and they still don't want to
hear itl
 
2013-03-15 05:29:18 PM

CutBoard: Healthy, breakfast.

However feeding your kids anything that they want, isn't what this started as.
This started out as "iron" in the blood" thread and it went way
beyond this.

You want to feed your fat assed kids what they want and don't make them get out of the house and exercise, that's your problem. Don't try to feed it to us, that your kids are fat because they are that way, just does't play. Get them away from the xbox, Wiii and others and put their asses outside. You've only to blame their asses on yourself.


i have to admit, i wasn't paying any attention to this thread when I posted my childhood cereal likes and my adulthood brunch preferences.  having a fat kid is like having a fat cat.  you done messed up.  you done messed up real good.  save the very rare exception that there's a physiological failure involved.

/ stays healthy by avoiding processed fats, sugars, and science made syrups
// stays happy with animal fats, natural oils, and a balance of animals and vegetables. and fruits and other stuff
 
2013-03-15 05:37:32 PM

CutBoard: Unfortunately, it's too bad that people only see what they want to see. Sugars, are benefecial for human life. Without them we'd all die, including you Vegans and Vegetarians. So here's a big kiss my ass. assclowns.


You can get plenty of sugars in your diet without adding refined sugar to your breakfast cereals.  Vegetarians and vegans get plenty of sugar in their diet.  Fruit has plenty of natural sugars in them.  Bananas, strawberries, grapes.

Also, your body can break down carbohydrates into sugars.  Those frosted flakes?  Remove the sugar frosting and your body can still get sugars from the cornflakes.

The human race got along just fine for thousands or tens of thousands of years before modern processed food with sugar added to everything.  Ever look at the ingredients on a jar of commercial pasta sauce?  Sugar is a main ingredient.  Another free hint, any traditional sauce recipe you see in an Italian cookbook is NOT going to have you dumping cups of sugar into the pot, that is added by modern food processors to make the food subtly more addictive.

Ever hear of somebody having malnutrition problems for not enough sugar in their diet?  Seriously?  Got a citation on that?
 
2013-03-15 05:46:14 PM

Silverstaff: CutBoard: Unfortunately, it's too bad that people only see what they want to see. Sugars, are benefecial for human life. Without them we'd all die, including you Vegans and Vegetarians. So here's a big kiss my ass. assclowns.

You can get plenty of sugars in your diet without adding refined sugar to your breakfast cereals.  Vegetarians and vegans get plenty of sugar in their diet.  Fruit has plenty of natural sugars in them.  Bananas, strawberries, grapes.

Also, your body can break down carbohydrates into sugars.  Those frosted flakes?  Remove the sugar frosting and your body can still get sugars from the cornflakes.

The human race got along just fine for thousands or tens of thousands of years before modern processed food with sugar added to everything.  Ever look at the ingredients on a jar of commercial pasta sauce?  Sugar is a main ingredient.  Another free hint, any traditional sauce recipe you see in an Italian cookbook is NOT going to have you dumping cups of sugar into the pot, that is added by modern food processors to make the food subtly more addictive.

Ever hear of somebody having malnutrition problems for not enough sugar in their diet?  Seriously?  Got a citation on that?


I have no idea where the hell you find pasta sauce with a ton of added sugar.  Even Ragu brand, the absolute worst of all the prepared sauces, barely contains any sugar.

http://www.ragu.com/product/detail/89655/marinara
 
2013-03-15 09:01:35 PM

Shazam999: I have no idea where the hell you find pasta sauce with a ton of added sugar. Even Ragu brand, the absolute worst of all the prepared sauces, barely contains any sugar.


Why, the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science- o f-junk-food.html?pagewanted=all&hp&_r=2&

Quoting the article:
"Many of the Prego sauces - whether cheesy, chunky or light - have one feature in common: The largest ingredient, after tomatoes, is sugar. A mere half-cup of Prego Traditional, for instance, has the equivalent of more than two teaspoons of sugar, as much as two-plus Oreo cookies."

The ONLY reason that sugar is added to pasta sauces is to make them more addictive, in carefully controlled and determined amounts.

There is no need to add refined/processed sugar in any quantity as an ingredient to any pasta sauce.
 
2013-03-15 09:19:05 PM

Silverstaff: Shazam999: I have no idea where the hell you find pasta sauce with a ton of added sugar. Even Ragu brand, the absolute worst of all the prepared sauces, barely contains any sugar.

Why, the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science- o f-junk-food.html?pagewanted=all&hp&_r=2&

Quoting the article:
"Many of the Prego sauces - whether cheesy, chunky or light - have one feature in common: The largest ingredient, after tomatoes, is sugar. A mere half-cup of Prego Traditional, for instance, has the equivalent of more than two teaspoons of sugar, as much as two-plus Oreo cookies."

The ONLY reason that sugar is added to pasta sauces is to make them more addictive, in carefully controlled and determined amounts.

There is no need to add refined/processed sugar in any quantity as an ingredient to any pasta sauce.


Ah good ol' NYT, twisting words to... well, sell their POS newspaper.

Yes, what they said is true.  However, it's not the entire truth. The tomatoes themselves have sugar in them.  A half cup of just regular crushed tomatoes has around 6 grams of naturally occurring sugars.  So we can say that Prego adds 4 grams of sugar in a half cup, which is 4/5 of a teaspoon.  Not that much really.

And typically, sugar is added to homemade sauces to balance out the acidity.  Of course if you do it at home you can control the amount.  But really if you go to your favourite artisan Italian restaurant I'll bet you dollars to donuts they're loading up on the sugar too.  And really the sauce isn't even the problem - it's the pasta portion, which is usually 4-5 servings.
 
2013-03-15 11:30:33 PM

flynn80: hitlersbrain: That's why you need government regulation, libertardians.

Lets start with stop giving them pallets of cash in the form of Subsidies and tax breaks first and let the free market regulate, very little government is necessary.


LOL You replied? Their comment was enough for me to place 'em into the bit bucket finally. People that stupid shouldn't be encouraged to post. Any reply is going to encourage them, they need the attention. It's as if people base their views on caricatures and extremes and then expect people to take them serious when they opine based on those views.

I don't know, as an example, a single Libertarian who's against all government regulation nor do I know any that advocate removal of all social spending such as libraries, roads, or emergency personnel. I don't know any Democrats who want to force me to marry a turtle. I don't even know any Republicans who want to force me to join a church or get out of their country. I'm a moderate independent personally as I'm pretty sure extremism and basing your beliefs and defining yourself on a single platform is never good.

So, think before you vote and vote for whomever you feel will represent you best. ;)
 
2013-03-16 02:12:13 AM

ReapTheChaos: [fallout.neoseeker.com image 240x296]


Sugar.  Sugar never changes.

And I'm STILL waiting for my free Captain Cosmos decoder ring.
 
2013-03-16 02:36:39 AM

miniflea: Iron is not only beneficial for human life, its essential. That meant mean you should heap spoonfuls of iron filings on your cereal every morning.


No need - the iron filings are already in there.
 
2013-03-16 10:57:04 AM

Silverstaff: Shazam999: I have no idea where the hell you find pasta sauce with a ton of added sugar. Even Ragu brand, the absolute worst of all the prepared sauces, barely contains any sugar.

Why, the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science- o f-junk-food.html?pagewanted=all&hp&_r=2&

Quoting the article:
"Many of the Prego sauces - whether cheesy, chunky or light - have one feature in common: The largest ingredient, after tomatoes, is sugar. A mere half-cup of Prego Traditional, for instance, has the equivalent of more than two teaspoons of sugar, as much as two-plus Oreo cookies."

The ONLY reason that sugar is added to pasta sauces is to make them more addictive, in carefully controlled and determined amounts.

There is no need to add refined/processed sugar in any quantity as an ingredient to any pasta sauce.




You have apparently never cooked anything with this whole "dont sweeten pasta sauce" rant.

And while refined/processed sugar is excessive, sugars or carbs DO play an important role in human metabolism.
/off to use burn some sugar at the gym
 
2013-03-16 11:09:43 AM
I'm pretty sure that the actual amount of sugar in these cereals isn't that high. You know what DOES have tons of sugar? Juice.

And you'd be wrong. Although some companies have backed off a tad on the amount of sugar they are pushing to kids in breakfast cereals you'd be surprised just how much is actually in there still.

Want an eye opener? Read Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us by Michael Moss. Some of the information contained in that book is bloody frightening.
 
2013-03-16 11:59:44 AM
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nobody?
 
2013-03-16 12:07:31 PM

LawPD: I'm pretty sure that the actual amount of sugar in these cereals isn't that high. You know what DOES have tons of sugar? Juice.

And you'd be wrong. Although some companies have backed off a tad on the amount of sugar they are pushing to kids in breakfast cereals you'd be surprised just how much is actually in there still.


You're missing the point. It is juice itself that is full of sugar. 100% apple/pear/grape juice is basically a glass of sugar, and marginally nutritive. Most of these "healthful" juice blends are mostly one of those three juices. Fruit is sweet because you're supposed to eat the fruit, and the fiber, nutrients, antioxidants, and phytochemicals that come with it. By the time you press out the juice, filter and pasteurize the product, you miss out on a lot. Also, it is easier to chug down like 6 apples worth of sugar when it is in juice form, free from its mass of fiber. Can you imagine eating 6 apples in a row?
 
2013-03-16 12:43:17 PM

elysive: You have apparently never cooked anything with this whole "dont sweeten pasta sauce" rant.


http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/giada-de-laurentiis/marinara-sauc e- recipe/index.html

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/tomato-sauce-recipe/i nd ex.html

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/spaghetti-and-meat ba lls-recipe2/index.html

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/vincenzas-pasta-sauce/detail.aspx

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/marinara-with-white-wine/detail.aspx

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/best-marinara-sauce-yet/detail.aspx

http://www.food.com/recipe/bolognese-sauce-34180

http://www.food.com/recipe/crock-pot-marinara-sauce-a-flavorful-bowl fu l-of-naples-359407

http://www.food.com/recipe/spicy-tomato-sauce-arrabbiata-349616

http://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/Chunky-Spaghetti-Sauce

http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1655,133175-243197,00.html

http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1618,144187-252198,00.html

http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/quick_bolognese_sauce/

http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/basic_tomato_sauce/

http://www.eatingwell.com/recipes/bolognese_sauce.html

http://www.eatingwell.com/recipes/iberian_sausage_chicken_ragu.html

What do all those recipes for tomato-based pasta sauces lack?  Added sugar.

Yeah, some recipes say to add sugar, many/most don't (I noticed that most of the ones promoted by big corporate names, like Betty Crocker, all suggest adding sugar, most submitted by average people or from celebrity chefs don't suggest adding sugar.  Alton Brown did list it in one recipe, and he didn't in another, I linked to the one where he omitted sugar).

I've never added sugar to spaghetti sauce, my wife hasn't, my family never did, her family never did.  Nobody I know does, and ever has.  Worked fine for us.
 
2013-03-16 01:28:48 PM

LawPD: I'm pretty sure that the actual amount of sugar in these cereals isn't that high. You know what DOES have tons of sugar? Juice.

And you'd be wrong. Although some companies have backed off a tad on the amount of sugar they are pushing to kids in breakfast cereals you'd be surprised just how much is actually in there still.

Want an eye opener? Read Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us by Michael Moss. Some of the information contained in that book is bloody frightening.


Hell, just take 2 minutes next time you're in the grocery store to look at random boxes on the breakfast aisle. Even adult-oriented cereals are loaded up with 30-50g of sugar per serving now, and nearly everyone eats 2-3 servings. Seriously, who eats 3/4 cup of cereal in the morning? That's a snack, not a breakfast.
 
2013-03-16 01:45:40 PM

Tunacrab: LawPD: I'm pretty sure that the actual amount of sugar in these cereals isn't that high. You know what DOES have tons of sugar? Juice.

And you'd be wrong. Although some companies have backed off a tad on the amount of sugar they are pushing to kids in breakfast cereals you'd be surprised just how much is actually in there still.

You're missing the point. It is juice itself that is full of sugar. 100% apple/pear/grape juice is basically a glass of sugar, and marginally nutritive. Most of these "healthful" juice blends are mostly one of those three juices. Fruit is sweet because you're supposed to eat the fruit, and the fiber, nutrients, antioxidants, and phytochemicals that come with it. By the time you press out the juice, filter and pasteurize the product, you miss out on a lot. Also, it is easier to chug down like 6 apples worth of sugar when it is in juice form, free from its mass of fiber. Can you imagine eating 6 apples in a row?


This is my biggest problem with juice drinks that claim "X servings of fruit and vegetables!" No, you have a bunch of sugar, you have chemically extracted all of the vitamins, fibers, and proteins and filled the void with a multivitamin, syrup, and water. Top on my worst offender list is V8 Fusion, which is so bad that it actually has more sugar and less vitamins than a number of energy drinks.
 
2013-03-16 01:55:06 PM

Shazam999: Ah good ol' NYT, twisting words to... well, sell their POS newspaper.

Yes, what they said is true. However, it's not the entire truth. The tomatoes themselves have sugar in them. A half cup of just regular crushed tomatoes has around 6 grams of naturally occurring sugars. So we can say that Prego adds 4 grams of sugar in a half cup, which is 4/5 of a teaspoon. Not that much really.

And typically, sugar is added to homemade sauces to balance out the acidity. Of course if you do it at home you can control the amount. But really if you go to your favourite artisan Italian restaurant I'll bet you dollars to donuts they're loading up on the sugar too. And really the sauce isn't even the problem - it's the pasta portion, which is usually 4-5 servings.


I can tell you exactly where the whole myth of sugar in pasta sauce came from: Old Betty Crocker cookbooks, known for covering up every other flavor with butter, sugar & salt. It spread from there. It's a myth because it does absolutely nothing to balance acidity, it just covers it up, whereas a little carrot or tiny sprinkle of baking soda will completely neutralize it without any added flavor, and all pasta-making companies know this. Sugar-laden pasta sauces will still irritate sensitive stomachs.
 
2013-03-16 10:25:28 PM

Silverstaff: elysive: You have apparently never cooked anything with this whole "dont sweeten pasta sauce" rant.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/giada-de-laurentiis/marinara-sauc e- recipe/index.html

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/tomato-sauce-recipe/i nd ex.html

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/spaghetti-and-meat ba lls-recipe2/index.html

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/vincenzas-pasta-sauce/detail.aspx

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/marinara-with-white-wine/detail.aspx

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/best-marinara-sauce-yet/detail.aspx

http://www.food.com/recipe/bolognese-sauce-34180

http://www.food.com/recipe/crock-pot-marinara-sauce-a-flavorful-bowl fu l-of-naples-359407

http://www.food.com/recipe/spicy-tomato-sauce-arrabbiata-349616

http://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/Chunky-Spaghetti-Sauce

http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1655,133175-243197,00.html

http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1618,144187-252198,00.html

http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/quick_bolognese_sauce/

http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/basic_tomato_sauce/

http://www.eatingwell.com/recipes/bolognese_sauce.html

http://www.eatingwell.com/recipes/iberian_sausage_chicken_ragu.html

What do all those recipes for tomato-based pasta sauces lack?  Added sugar.

Yeah, some recipes say to add sugar, many/most don't (I noticed that most of the ones promoted by big corporate names, like Betty Crocker, all suggest adding sugar, most submitted by average people or from celebrity chefs don't suggest adding sugar.  Alton Brown did list it in one recipe, and he didn't in another, I linked to the one where he omitted sugar).

I've never added sugar to spaghetti sauce, my wife hasn't, my family never did, her family never did.  Nobody I know does, and ever has.  Worked fine for us.


If you bothered to read reviews for those recipes, most users added sugar to the plain tomato based sauces you posted. In the case of the white sauces or cheesy sauces or something like an arribiata...well, I wouldn't add sugar. The problem with tomato based recipes are that tomatoes are supposed to be sweet but most supermarket tomatoes today are not sweet at all. They are highly acidic and you will get a bitter sauce if you cook with bad tomatoes and add things like wine and and bitter herbs. Save me the lecture of buying better tomatoes because we dont get them in my region.

I'm glad you only cook with super sweet tomatoes or have a taste for bitter sauces. It was wholly ignorant to say there is no reason to add any form of sugar to a tomato sauce as this was already explained to you up-thread. As with most cooking, the ingredients are there for balance. I'm sure that if Alton Brown were here, he could explain it to you again...
 
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