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(Talking Points Memo)   "Perry booed for asking for Latino outreach" They weren't booing you, Rick. They were asking for Jose Boo-urns to get on stage   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 78
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-15 09:17:32 AM  
But don't you dare call them racist.
 
2013-03-15 09:39:29 AM  
At "growing Hispanic demographic" Perry was greeted with an instant smattering of boos.


That is just a great attitude! Oh, I predict so much success for the GOP in the coming years.
 
2013-03-15 09:39:37 AM  
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2013-03-15 09:41:58 AM  

vpb: But don't you dare call them racist.


Meh...  I call them racist.

It's not like they go out of their way to show anyone they're not racist.  In fact, they almost seem proud of their bigotry.
 
2013-03-15 09:42:42 AM  
Way to grow that big tent, GOP.

This is why they stopped letting the crowd react at the GOP Primary debates, it just makes them look bad, but, unlike Jessica Rabbit, not just because they're drawn that way.
 
2013-03-15 09:43:54 AM  
El Republicanos es loca in la cabesa. Donde esta mi pantalones?

/un pocito
 
Bf+
2013-03-15 09:44:32 AM  
Paul Ryan on now...
AC/DC intro
 
2013-03-15 09:45:26 AM  
"Ah, Perry. What a pleasant surprise! By surprise I mean totally expected and by pleasant I mean not vwery pleasant at all."

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-03-15 09:48:13 AM  

vpb: But don't you dare call them racist.


I feel the racism card is overplayed in general - especially with Obama. The republicans did the same shiat to Clinton - it's that the president is a dem, not that he's black. Hell, they shut down the government and spent millions to impeach him for a BJ in office - that's worse than even what they've done to Obama.

This though? This seems kinda racist.
 
2013-03-15 09:48:59 AM  
It sounds like they were booing the fact that Hispanics are a growing demographic.
 
2013-03-15 09:50:33 AM  

Deneb81: vpb: But don't you dare call them racist.

I feel the racism card is overplayed in general - especially with Obama. The republicans did the same shiat to Clinton - it's that the president is a dem, not that he's black. Hell, they shut down the government and spent millions to impeach him for a BJ in office - that's worse than even what they've done to Obama.

This though? This seems kinda racist.


There's quite a difference between the level of Republican absurdity under Clinton and the level they're currently at; notably, they didn't hold the debt ceiling hostage.
 
2013-03-15 09:51:42 AM  

Deneb81: I feel the racism card is overplayed in general - especially with Obama. The republicans did the same shiat to Clinton - it's that the president is a dem, not that he's black.


oh yeah I remember when they called him william JEFFERSON clinton
 
2013-03-15 09:51:52 AM  
I pretty much love this. The GOP knows they need to expand their voter base and Latinos are their best shot. However, they've spent so much time fanning nativist sentiment that the people in their base now violently reject all of their efforts. They have cut their own throats and it couldn't happen to a more deserving group.
 
2013-03-15 09:52:13 AM  
"... But now we are told our party must shift appeal to the growing Hispanic demographic."

At "growing Hispanic demographic" Perry was greeted with an instant smattering of boos.  "



I think we (and tfa's writer) might be misreading this -- I suspect they were booing the suggestion that they might consider changing their minds about something.
 
2013-03-15 09:52:22 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: It sounds like they were booing the fact that Hispanics are a growing demographic.


The GOP generally aren't big fans of reality...
 
2013-03-15 09:52:44 AM  

Bf+: Paul Ryan on now...
AC/DC intro



"Highway to Hell"?
 
2013-03-15 09:53:34 AM  

nmrsnr: Way to grow that big tent, GOP.

This is why they stopped letting the crowd react at the GOP Primary debates, it just makes them look bad, but, unlike Jessica Rabbit, not just because they're drawn that way.


They can't admit their views are in anyway wrong.  So to grow the tent, people have to come around to their point of view.  Of course, it is kind of hard to get people to come around to your point view when it is you people suck.
 
2013-03-15 09:53:57 AM  
So conservatives still have absolutely no comprehension of practicality and no capacity for understanding the very likely future implications of their current actions?

Sure glad to hear that didn't change while I was asleep last night... I'd hate to have woken up in a world with two political parties that are actually capable of acting like adults and offering realistic solutions to problems that won't go away just because you want them to.

Aside from the strong undercurrent of racism, sexism and classism that pulls so hard at conservative policy, the biggest problem with the conservatives in this country is that they just absolutely refuse to acknowledge that what they want to happen ideally and what can really be done practically are very, very rarely ever going to be the same thing.

You're not going to scare the 'messicans back over the fence by hating them even harder. You can either accept that you need to offer a realistic path for integration so they can become openly productive members of our society and improve things for everybody or you need to accept the fact that you're just going to keep perpetuating the problem with your stubborn ignorance and make it that much more miserable for everybody.

Reference: Georgia HB 87
 
2013-03-15 09:54:55 AM  

qorkfiend: Deneb81: vpb: But don't you dare call them racist.

I feel the racism card is overplayed in general - especially with Obama. The republicans did the same shiat to Clinton - it's that the president is a dem, not that he's black. Hell, they shut down the government and spent millions to impeach him for a BJ in office - that's worse than even what they've done to Obama.

This though? This seems kinda racist.

There's quite a difference between the level of Republican absurdity under Clinton and the level they're currently at; notably, they didn't hold the debt ceiling hostage.


They IMPEACHED him and shut down the government over a budget deal.

Different tactic, same level. Maybe worse - the shutdown was a big deal.
 
Bf+
2013-03-15 09:55:06 AM  

Rann Xerox: Bf+: Paul Ryan on now...
AC/DC intro


"Highway to Hell"?


hehehe.  nice.
Actually, it was "It's a long way to the top"
I'm not sure Ryan knows just how long...
 
2013-03-15 09:55:47 AM  

Deneb81: vpb: But don't you dare call them racist.

I feel the racism card is overplayed in general - especially with Obama. The republicans did the same shiat to Clinton - it's that the president is a dem, not that he's black. Hell, they shut down the government and spent millions to impeach him for a BJ in office - that's worse than even what they've done to Obama.

This though? This seems kinda racist.


Remember what Toni Morrison said.  I'm still not convinced it's just because of party affiliation.
 
2013-03-15 09:56:06 AM  
there's a big chunk of the GOP that really is racist.

they don't see the outreach to Latinos as a common sense solution to address the reality that America has a growing Latino population. They see it as the GOP pandering to a bunch of dirty losers who want to steal their lawn mower and knock up their daughter.

These GOPers are booing because they consider Latinos to be bad people for no good reason, in other words they're racist, end of story.

/BOOO! you should only pander to dumb white rednecks!!! real people!!!
 
2013-03-15 09:56:16 AM  
FTFA: "At "growing Hispanic demographic" Perry was greeted with an instant smattering of boos."

www.chiefrok.com
 
2013-03-15 09:56:40 AM  

Deneb81: Maybe worse - the shutdown was a big deal.


Not as big a deal as getting the nation's credit rating cut because they threatened to default on our debt.
 
2013-03-15 09:59:39 AM  
That would be his non-union, Mexican equivalent.

starsmedia.ign.com
 
2013-03-15 09:59:43 AM  
At "growing Hispanic demographic" Perry was greeted with an instant smattering of boos. But the crowd came around as he went on to suggest that an economic message, not immigration, was what was needed to win over Hispanic voters.

well...that's it then.  the GOP is done for.
 
2013-03-15 10:00:10 AM  

unexplained bacon: there's a big chunk of the GOP that really is racist.

they don't see the outreach to Latinos as a common sense solution to address the reality that America has a growing Latino population. They see it as the GOP pandering to a bunch of dirty losers who want to steal their lawn mower and knock up their daughter.

These GOPers are booing because they consider Latinos to be bad people for no good reason, in other words they're racist, end of story.

/BOOO! you should only pander to dumb white rednecks!!! real people!!!


And let's bear in mind, he wasn't addressing illegal immigration.  He was referring to Americans of Latino heritage (i.e. Latino voters).
 
2013-03-15 10:00:11 AM  

skozlaw: ...or you need to accept the fact that you're just going to keep perpetuating the problem with your stubborn ignorance and make it that much more miserable for everybody.

 
that's a very efficient way to describe the GOP's platform.

 
2013-03-15 10:00:16 AM  

Jackson Herring: Deneb81: I feel the racism card is overplayed in general - especially with Obama. The republicans did the same shiat to Clinton - it's that the president is a dem, not that he's black.

oh yeah I remember when they called him william JEFFERSON clinton


They did, but mostly called Hillary a cow, made fun of Chelsea, said Bill ordered hits on people including Vince Foster, did the whole 'black helicopters'/UN takeover/North American Union shiat, IMPEACHED HIM, the whitewater goose chase, government shutdown over a debt deal, and criticized his church-going habits.

Also, Ruby ridge, Waco, 'wagging the dog' with the strikes on bin Laden, taking our guns...

Same shiat, different day. They use whatever they can to attack any dem president, whether or not its true or comes off as racist. The motivation is his party - at best his race is a tool they use to attack him because of his party.
 
2013-03-15 10:00:48 AM  

EvilEgg: nmrsnr: Way to grow that big tent, GOP.

This is why they stopped letting the crowd react at the GOP Primary debates, it just makes them look bad, but, unlike Jessica Rabbit, not just because they're drawn that way.

They can't admit their views are in anyway wrong.  So to grow the tent, people have to come around to their point of view.  Of course, it is kind of hard to get people to come around to your point view when it is you people suck.


It's still a big tent, even if most people would rather stand outside.
 
2013-03-15 10:02:22 AM  
Let's play a game:

Let's say you were a disillusioned GOP senator/congressman and were going to say "Fark it" and form a new party.  Your plan is to try and jettison the religious whackjobs (not all people of religion, just the ones who want a theocracy) keep the fiscal conservatives and lure over enough "Independents" and conservative democrats to be taken seriously in national politics.  Pretty much all other party platform planks are up for negotiation.

Like an NFL new franchise you get to draft 5 party members from each of the current parties (and they have to join).

Who do you draft?
 
2013-03-15 10:02:27 AM  

born_yesterday: unexplained bacon: there's a big chunk of the GOP that really is racist.

they don't see the outreach to Latinos as a common sense solution to address the reality that America has a growing Latino population. They see it as the GOP pandering to a bunch of dirty losers who want to steal their lawn mower and knock up their daughter.

These GOPers are booing because they consider Latinos to be bad people for no good reason, in other words they're racist, end of story.

/BOOO! you should only pander to dumb white rednecks!!! real people!!!

And let's bear in mind, he wasn't addressing illegal immigration.  He was referring to Americans of Latino heritage (i.e. Latino voters).


exactly...the mere mention of 'Hispanic demographic" set them off.
the GOP can't dry up fast enough for me.
 
2013-03-15 10:02:51 AM  

born_yesterday: And let's bear in mind, he wasn't addressing illegal immigration. He was referring to Americans of Latino heritage (i.e. Latino voters).


As if the GOP rank-and-file wants to make that subtle distinction.
 
2013-03-15 10:03:46 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Deneb81: Maybe worse - the shutdown was a big deal.

Not as big a deal as getting the nation's credit rating cut because they threatened to default on our debt.


I'll care about the credit downgrade when it actually has any real effect on bond rates or budget. Until then it was a political statement by the rating agency and not a real comment on the fiscal status of the US.

The shutdown did real and immediate damage to the economy nationwide. At least we were in a boom/bubble that insulated us from permanent damage.
 
2013-03-15 10:05:29 AM  

Jackson Herring: Deneb81: I feel the racism card is overplayed in general - especially with Obama. The republicans did the same shiat to Clinton - it's that the president is a dem, not that he's black.

oh yeah I remember when they called him william JEFFERSON clinton


You never know, maybe conservatives really resented Sherman Helmsley for moving on up to the East Side.
 
2013-03-15 10:05:51 AM  
I thought Republicans booed gay Marines and the Golden Rule?
 
2013-03-15 10:06:23 AM  

Deneb81: Philip Francis Queeg: Deneb81: Maybe worse - the shutdown was a big deal.

Not as big a deal as getting the nation's credit rating cut because they threatened to default on our debt.

I'll care about the credit downgrade when it actually has any real effect on bond rates or budget. Until then it was a political statement by the rating agency and not a real comment on the fiscal status of the US.

The shutdown did real and immediate damage to the economy nationwide. At least we were in a boom/bubble that insulated us from permanent damage.


Well, as long as you carefully pick and chose what facts you will acknowledge, you will continue to prove to yourself that you are right.
 
2013-03-15 10:06:59 AM  
so...when republicans use clownishly racist lines of attack against obama it's...not because of racism
 
2013-03-15 10:07:48 AM  
Heh...

We don't need new ideas.

Proudly ignorant. Gleefully mean-spirited. Shamelessly regressive and ideological. Aggressively bigoted and xenophobic.

Today's GOP, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-03-15 10:11:19 AM  
Not a smattering! It's important to keep the focus on socioeconomic status and allow the racism to stay in the Democratic party where it was born.
 
2013-03-15 10:11:38 AM  

Jackson Herring: so...when republicans use clownishly racist lines of attack against obama it's...not because of racism


satire
 
2013-03-15 10:12:26 AM  

George Walker Bush: Not a smattering! It's important to keep the focus on socioeconomic status and allow the racism to stay in the Democratic party where it was born.


lol
riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


/proceed
 
2013-03-15 10:13:13 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Deneb81: Philip Francis Queeg: Deneb81: Maybe worse - the shutdown was a big deal.

Not as big a deal as getting the nation's credit rating cut because they threatened to default on our debt.

I'll care about the credit downgrade when it actually has any real effect on bond rates or budget. Until then it was a political statement by the rating agency and not a real comment on the fiscal status of the US.

The shutdown did real and immediate damage to the economy nationwide. At least we were in a boom/bubble that insulated us from permanent damage.

Well, as long as you carefully pick and chose what facts you will acknowledge, you will continue to prove to yourself that you are right.


What real world economic impact did the 'downgrade' have? It did not have any real impact on the stock market or the rates on US debt. What other meaningful impact did that have outside being news fodder?

The republican actions that led to it, and since, are idiotic and harmful to the economy. But holding the downgrade as hands down worse than an actual shutdown is silly in my opinion because I don't see any real repercussions from it. What am I missing?
 
Bf+
2013-03-15 10:13:30 AM  

unexplained bacon: Jackson Herring: so...when republicans use clownishly racist lines of attack against obama it's...not because of racism

satire


context
 
2013-03-15 10:14:21 AM  
I guess the party finally found the tipping point for how much bullshiat the base can process.

"Wait, we don't hate Messicans no more? But the whole reason we're here is to oppose Messican lovin liberals!"

Take notes, Jeb. Good luck sauntering in to a primary win when you're asking these people to make your Mexican wife First Lady.
 
2013-03-15 10:18:07 AM  

Deneb81: It did not have any real impact on the stock market or the rates on US debt.


The stock market declined 20% in the immediate aftermath of the rating cut.
 
2013-03-15 10:21:11 AM  
You libtards see racism everywhere. The brave patriots at CPAC were booing Perry's suggestion of "growing his panic demographic." They were showing their distaste at his fear-mongering strategy.

/Poe
 
2013-03-15 10:24:29 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The stock market declined 20% in the immediate aftermath of the rating cut.


Dubious claim at best. Intentional lie at worst. The freefall in 2011 started at the end of July. The credit rating didn't get cut until early August right in the middle of the ongoing drop.

The drop started the week of July 22 and ended the week of August 19. The credit rating cut was on August 5.

It's not exactly a stretch to say that the drop was probably related to the ongoing fight over the limit (most investors famously hate uncertainty), but to say it was because of the cut is not supportable.
 
2013-03-15 10:25:27 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Deneb81: It did not have any real impact on the stock market or the rates on US debt.

The stock market declined 20% in the immediate aftermath of the rating cut.


And rallied very shortly after. There was also bad news vomiting from Europe that day. Overall, the stock drop lasted less than a week, had no effect on bonds, and arguably no effect on unemployment.
 
2013-03-15 10:27:10 AM  

skozlaw: Philip Francis Queeg: The stock market declined 20% in the immediate aftermath of the rating cut.

Dubious claim at best. Intentional lie at worst. The freefall in 2011 started at the end of July. The credit rating didn't get cut until early August right in the middle of the ongoing drop.

The drop started the week of July 22 and ended the week of August 19. The credit rating cut was on August 5.

It's not exactly a stretch to say that the drop was probably related to the ongoing fight over the limit (most investors famously hate uncertainty), but to say it was because of the cut is not supportable.


And how supportable is the claim that the cut had no real impact on the stock market? Is that dubious at best and an intentional lie at worst?
 
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